At 4:12 PM -0600 12/4/97, Athol K Foster wrote: ... >What I would like to know is, what authority do you have to relieve Billie >and appoint Bridgett? I know what your title is but I don't see where you >have the authority to do something like this. I thought each State was >independent of one another and of the USGenWeb as long as they followed the >guidelines set out by USGenWeb. Do the County Coordinators not have a say >about who is fired and who is hired? And about what goes on in our State. ... Well said Athol! Without repeating all of Athol's note, let me just say that I agree wholeheartedly with everything he had to say. This doesn't set well with me either. And this has nothing to do with how well Bridgett will handle the duties, since I know she will do a good job. This is all about how this whole thing was handled. It is my understanding that no attempt was made to contact Billie by phone, only by e-mail (while knowing that she sometimes has trouble getting e-mail), and that really stinks, to put it bluntly. -------------------------------------------+------------------------ Charles A. Reeves, Jr. | Phone: (423) 966-5768 Specializing in Cartography and Genealogy | E-mail: 10812 Dineen Drive | [email protected] Knoxville, TN 37922-1809 | Home Page: http://pw1.netcom.com/~reevesca/Chas_Page.html -------------------------------------------+------------------------

I've never been given the password At 12:05 PM 12/5/97 -0500, you wrote: >Jane? You've had FTP access to the USIT server since we put regional >coordinators in place....... > >And you're right -- each time I lecture or teach on Internet genealogy, I >use you as an example of "zero to sixty in no time flat." You've been an >inspiration to many people around the country! > > >At 08:00 AM 12/5/1997 -0600, you wrote: >>I use Frontpage because my local server uses it. In the last year I've >>learned netting, hand-coding, zipping, and who knows what else. And can >>and will learn FTP if given the opportunity to use it, which I've been >>denied in the past. >>Jane >> >> >> > > ><-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> >Billie R. McNamara, POB 6764, Knoxville, TN 37914-0764 USA >Clarion Co., PA, Genealogy: http://www.public.usit.net/mcnamara/clarion/ >Jeff Co., TN, Genealogy: http://www.usit.net/tngenweb/jefferson/ >Hawkins Co., TN, Genealogy: http://www.usit.net/tngenweb/hawkins/ >Acuff Archives http://www.public.usit.net/mcnamara/archives.htm >Personal Homepage http://www.public.usit.net/mcnamara/ > > >

I was going to stay out of this, but I have to also say Amen to waht Jess said. At 07:56 AM 12/5/97 -0600, you wrote: >Amen to Jess, Jane Powell > >At 01:48 AM 12/5/97 -0600, you wrote: >>Why is this a BIG DEAL ? Are we concerned about "Fame & Fortune", or >>Tennessee Genealogy ? >>None of us "elected" Billie, but we got on, just the same. Sometimes >>working on the "Mushroom Theory" (warm, in the dark, & fed horse stuff), >>but somehow it worked. >>The assistant coordinators aren't elected & that doesn't seem to be a >>problem. Besides, it would end up being a beauty pageant of a sort. >>I don't know these people, or their qualifications. How could I vote, >>intelligently ? I'm happy with someone at the national level,who >>hopefully, is aware of qualifications, making a choice. If I'm not >>happy, I can always go away & go back to doing genealogy, on my own. I >>want TnGen to succeed. Let's all give it a shot and see how it works out >>-- >> Jess Lewis >> http://www.cafes.net/jlewis/ <<<< >> >> >> > > > <bold><italic><color><param>ffff,0000,0000</param> <paraindent><param>left,out</param> mailto:[email protected] With Regards Have a Wonderful Day! Sherranlynn</paraindent></color></italic></bold>

Pat, Politics has nothing to do with it. It is the way it was handled. Athol At 10:36 AM 12/5/97 -0600, you wrote: >Jess, I agree with you completely. The view from outside edge of the ring >looks like too much *politics* in this organization. Sure am glad I >decided to do my own page, instead of taking on a county. >Pat McDonald >http://www.pcquandary.com/patie/patie.htm > >---------- >> From: Jess Lewis <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: Toward a More Democratic TNGenWeb >> Date: Friday, December 05, 1997 1:48 AM >> >> Why is this a BIG DEAL ? Are we concerned about "Fame & Fortune", or >> Tennessee Genealogy ? >> None of us "elected" Billie, but we got on, just the same. Sometimes >> working on the "Mushroom Theory" (warm, in the dark, & fed horse stuff), >> but somehow it worked. >> The assistant coordinators aren't elected & that doesn't seem to be a >> problem. Besides, it would end up being a beauty pageant of a sort. >> I don't know these people, or their qualifications. How could I vote, >> intelligently ? I'm happy with someone at the national level,who >> hopefully, is aware of qualifications, making a choice. If I'm not >> happy, I can always go away & go back to doing genealogy, on my own. I >> want TnGen to succeed. Let's all give it a shot and see how it works out >> -- >> Jess Lewis >> http://www.cafes.net/jlewis/ << >> > > **************************************************************************** ******** Athol K. Foster Coordonator for Dekalb Co., Tn. <http://www.usit.net/tngenweb/dekalb/> My Home Page <http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ranch/3627>

Morning y'all...... I'll be back on irc.starchat.net (using their milkyway server) tonight, in the #tngenweb channel - 9-10PM CST. Join us for a little fellowship! If you didn't receive last night's post re: IRC, let me know and I'll resend it to you ;-) Rose-Anne -- ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Rose-Anne Cunningham Bray [email protected] TnGenWeb Project: http://www.usit.net/tngenweb/ Researching: SANDERS,TALBOTT,MARTIN,CUNNINGHAM,WILLIAMS,HOLLAND,INGE ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~

> Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 12:05:40 -0500 (EST) > To: [email protected], [email protected] > From: "Billie R. McNamara" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: Tennessee state coordinator > Reply-to: [email protected] > > At 09:31 PM 12/4/1997 -0600, Ms. Piglet wrote: > >Yes, Billie was notified before it happened. She did not respond. > > > She was notified? How? How many e-mail messages went out? From whom? > > I have scanned my entire set of mailboxes (55MB) for mail from Megan, and > nothing came in regarding this until I got the message everyone got. > > > I got no phone call, fax, or > postcard, nor did anyone attempt to reach me through my husband's e-mail > account (at UT, it's extremely stable). > > Public humiliation isn't funny. Somebody is lying about this. I think we peons are owed a more in-depth explanation from the monarch. SK <><><><><><><><><><><>><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Sandy Keathley Adjutant, Wm. H.L. Wells Camp Sons of Confederate Veterans http://www.KeathleyWebs.com/scvpage.htm Coordinator, White County Page of TN GenWeb http://www.usit.net/tngenweb/white.htm Keathley National Web Site: http://www.KeathleyWebs.com/ A "Pioneer Family" of White County, TN A "First Family of Tennessee" Fax: 972-527-4403 <><><><><>><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>

I have been told this morning that Megan gave me two hours' notice, in the middle of the day, in the middle of the week, with my known e-mail problems, that she was going to replace me with Bridgett. That really sucks. I was only hurt and humiliated before. Now I'm gone. I love Bridgett and can never thank her enough for all the support she gave me while I was project coordinator. I know she will do a wonderful job as coordinator. Likewise, I can never thank enough the rest of the project team members who gave unending hours of work toward my dream of creating the single best Internet resource for Tennessee history and genealogy research. That dream will happen, but it will be elsewhere. Watch for a URL announcement soon. As far as I can identify for certain, I've removed every page I created from the www.usit.net/tngenweb/ path. I've replaced them with notifications that the page has been removed, so people won't get the 404 errors. As a kindness, I've left the counties.htm and the queries.htm files intact because Bridgett has done so much work on them lately. I also changed the main TGW page to reflect Bridgett's status. I don't have any copyright interest in that page. <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> Billie R. McNamara, POB 6764, Knoxville, TN 37914-0764 USA Clarion Co., PA, Genealogy: http://www.public.usit.net/mcnamara/clarion/ Jeff Co., TN, Genealogy: http://www.usit.net/tngenweb/jefferson/ Hawkins Co., TN, Genealogy: http://www.usit.net/tngenweb/hawkins/ Acuff Archives http://www.public.usit.net/mcnamara/archives.htm Personal Homepage http://www.public.usit.net/mcnamara/

She was notified? How? How many e-mail messages went out? From whom? I have scanned my entire set of mailboxes (55MB) for mail from Megan, and nothing came in regarding this until I got the message everyone got. The world has been aware of my e-mail problems over the past few months, whether from Eudora crashes, USIT upgrades, or whatever. It doesn't make sense to rely on a known-buggy method when attempting to resolve something that has major impact. I got no phone call, fax, or postcard, nor did anyone attempt to reach me through my husband's e-mail account (at UT, it's extremely stable). Public humiliation isn't funny. It's not really nice to yank something away from a person who has lived and breathed for it for 18 months. For most of that time, I have spent 10-15 hours a day in front of my computer, working on the project, much to the detriment of my family, career, and personal life. The only complaint anyone's had about my efforts on this project were with my e-mail. I have been doing my dead-level best to resolve that issue as quickly and inexpensively as possible. I kept you and Bridgett apprised of my work in that regard. I don't mind the fact that I'm not TNGenWeb project coordinator any longer. God just sped up my personal time schedule a bit. As I've said to many of the people who've written, the worst part of the whole thing was not being given the opportunity to resign gracefully. My personal and professional integrity have been besmirched (I love that word <g>) because I wasn't given that opportunity. C'est la vie...... Life goes on -- the sun is shining again, and the fog has lifted from my path. At 09:31 PM 12/4/1997 -0600, Ms. Piglet wrote: >Yes, Billie was notified before it happened. She did not respond. > >As far as the role of the national coordinator, it has not changed since >the inception of the project. <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> Billie R. McNamara, POB 6764, Knoxville, TN 37914-0764 USA Clarion Co., PA, Genealogy: http://www.public.usit.net/mcnamara/clarion/ Jeff Co., TN, Genealogy: http://www.usit.net/tngenweb/jefferson/ Hawkins Co., TN, Genealogy: http://www.usit.net/tngenweb/hawkins/ Acuff Archives http://www.public.usit.net/mcnamara/archives.htm Personal Homepage http://www.public.usit.net/mcnamara/

Jane? You've had FTP access to the USIT server since we put regional coordinators in place....... And you're right -- each time I lecture or teach on Internet genealogy, I use you as an example of "zero to sixty in no time flat." You've been an inspiration to many people around the country! At 08:00 AM 12/5/1997 -0600, you wrote: >I use Frontpage because my local server uses it. In the last year I've >learned netting, hand-coding, zipping, and who knows what else. And can >and will learn FTP if given the opportunity to use it, which I've been >denied in the past. >Jane > > > <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> Billie R. McNamara, POB 6764, Knoxville, TN 37914-0764 USA Clarion Co., PA, Genealogy: http://www.public.usit.net/mcnamara/clarion/ Jeff Co., TN, Genealogy: http://www.usit.net/tngenweb/jefferson/ Hawkins Co., TN, Genealogy: http://www.usit.net/tngenweb/hawkins/ Acuff Archives http://www.public.usit.net/mcnamara/archives.htm Personal Homepage http://www.public.usit.net/mcnamara/

Jess, I agree with you completely. The view from outside edge of the ring looks like too much *politics* in this organization. Sure am glad I decided to do my own page, instead of taking on a county. Pat McDonald http://www.pcquandary.com/patie/patie.htm ---------- > From: Jess Lewis <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Toward a More Democratic TNGenWeb > Date: Friday, December 05, 1997 1:48 AM > > Why is this a BIG DEAL ? Are we concerned about "Fame & Fortune", or > Tennessee Genealogy ? > None of us "elected" Billie, but we got on, just the same. Sometimes > working on the "Mushroom Theory" (warm, in the dark, & fed horse stuff), > but somehow it worked. > The assistant coordinators aren't elected & that doesn't seem to be a > problem. Besides, it would end up being a beauty pageant of a sort. > I don't know these people, or their qualifications. How could I vote, > intelligently ? I'm happy with someone at the national level,who > hopefully, is aware of qualifications, making a choice. If I'm not > happy, I can always go away & go back to doing genealogy, on my own. I > want TnGen to succeed. Let's all give it a shot and see how it works out > -- > Jess Lewis >> http://www.cafes.net/jlewis/ << >

At 04:56 AM 12/5/97 +0000, you wrote: >Hi folks, >snip >Benton County's new URL is: http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnbenton/index.htm >although David hasn't sent the url to the query page <G> The Query Page URL is: http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnbenton/bentqry.htm Dave ===================================================================== David L. Snow "Corruptissima republicae, [email protected] ICQ# 4648515 plurimae leges" RESEARCHING: Tacitus SNOW (IL), KRONEMANN (DEN>IL), McKENZIE (TN), DORTCH (TN) DanvilleCrossing-L Listowner @ Rootsweb.com Danville Crossing Site: http://www.PageDepot.com/DLSnow/danville.htm Benton County TNGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnbenton/index.htm Henry County TNGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnhenry/index.htm Stewart County TNGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnstewar/index.htm =====================================================================

Hi Rose-Anne, I am going to try to get Mirc installed on my linux box this afternoon, if I am successful...I will come looking for you. Nancy [email protected] Bledsoe County http://www.usit.net/tngenweb/bledsoe Rhea County http://www.usit.net/tngenweb/rhea On Thu, 4 Dec 1997, Rose-Anne wrote: > Hi y'all..... > > If you already have mIRC (or another IRC software package installed) and > would like to chat this evening.....I'm on the Starchat.net, using > milkyway.starchat.net (port 6667). My nick is Rose-Anne (original, huh? > ;-). I'll be on the TNGenWeb chat channel until 11PM CST tonight. > > Once connected to starchat.net, type the following command to join the > channel: > /join #tngenweb (then hit the ENTER key) > > > Starchat.net has a webpage: > http://www.starchat.net > > Links to download IRC clients (software) for Windows, Mac, Unix: > http://www.starchat.net/clients.html > > To find a list of Starchat.net servers (beside milkyway): > http://www.starchat.net/servers.html > > IRC frequently-asked questions: > http://www.starchat.net/faq.html > > > Hope this helps......look forward to seeing you! > > Rose-Anne > > > > > > > > -- > ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ > Rose-Anne Cunningham Bray [email protected] > TnGenWeb Project: http://www.usit.net/tngenweb/ > Researching: SANDERS,TALBOTT,MARTIN,CUNNINGHAM,WILLIAMS,HOLLAND,INGE > ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ > >

At 09:31 PM 12/4/97 -0600, you wrote: >Yes, Billie was notified before it happened. She did not respond. Billie says that she was not notified. She knew nothing about it untill she received a phone call. > >As far as the role of the national coordinator, it has not changed since >the inception of the project. Just what is the role of the national coordinator? It is not posted anywhere on the USGenWeb page. > >megan > >-- >PLEASE NOTE URLS BELOW: >[email protected] * [email protected] >Megan Zurawicz, National Coordinator USGenWeb >http://www.usgenweb.net -- http://www.usgenweb.org > > > **************************************************************************** ******** Athol K. Foster Coordonator for Dekalb Co., Tn. <http://www.usit.net/tngenweb/dekalb/> My Home Page <http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ranch/3627>

I use Frontpage because my local server uses it. In the last year I've learned netting, hand-coding, zipping, and who knows what else. And can and will learn FTP if given the opportunity to use it, which I've been denied in the past. Jane

Amen to Jess, Jane Powell At 01:48 AM 12/5/97 -0600, you wrote: >Why is this a BIG DEAL ? Are we concerned about "Fame & Fortune", or >Tennessee Genealogy ? >None of us "elected" Billie, but we got on, just the same. Sometimes >working on the "Mushroom Theory" (warm, in the dark, & fed horse stuff), >but somehow it worked. >The assistant coordinators aren't elected & that doesn't seem to be a >problem. Besides, it would end up being a beauty pageant of a sort. >I don't know these people, or their qualifications. How could I vote, >intelligently ? I'm happy with someone at the national level,who >hopefully, is aware of qualifications, making a choice. If I'm not >happy, I can always go away & go back to doing genealogy, on my own. I >want TnGen to succeed. Let's all give it a shot and see how it works out >-- > Jess Lewis >> http://www.cafes.net/jlewis/ << > > >

Why is this a BIG DEAL ? Are we concerned about "Fame & Fortune", or Tennessee Genealogy ? None of us "elected" Billie, but we got on, just the same. Sometimes working on the "Mushroom Theory" (warm, in the dark, & fed horse stuff), but somehow it worked. The assistant coordinators aren't elected & that doesn't seem to be a problem. Besides, it would end up being a beauty pageant of a sort. I don't know these people, or their qualifications. How could I vote, intelligently ? I'm happy with someone at the national level,who hopefully, is aware of qualifications, making a choice. If I'm not happy, I can always go away & go back to doing genealogy, on my own. I want TnGen to succeed. Let's all give it a shot and see how it works out -- Jess Lewis >> http://www.cafes.net/jlewis/ <<

Hi y'all..... If you already have mIRC (or another IRC software package installed) and would like to chat this evening.....I'm on the Starchat.net, using milkyway.starchat.net (port 6667). My nick is Rose-Anne (original, huh? ;-). I'll be on the TNGenWeb chat channel until 11PM CST tonight. Once connected to starchat.net, type the following command to join the channel: /join #tngenweb (then hit the ENTER key) Starchat.net has a webpage: http://www.starchat.net Links to download IRC clients (software) for Windows, Mac, Unix: http://www.starchat.net/clients.html To find a list of Starchat.net servers (beside milkyway): http://www.starchat.net/servers.html IRC frequently-asked questions: http://www.starchat.net/faq.html Hope this helps......look forward to seeing you! Rose-Anne -- ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Rose-Anne Cunningham Bray [email protected] TnGenWeb Project: http://www.usit.net/tngenweb/ Researching: SANDERS,TALBOTT,MARTIN,CUNNINGHAM,WILLIAMS,HOLLAND,INGE ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~

Hi folks, As you probably realize I have been up to my ears with things to do because of the change over. First of all, I understand that many of you feel cheated in the ability to vote on who you would like to be your State Coordinator, and believe me when I tell you I feel the same way. You can ask your Regional Coordinator that the first message I sent to them was that I would stay on as State Coordinator for a certain period of time (have not fully decided how long); at which time I felt that the CC's had a right to express their wishes as to who they would like to be their SC. Many of the thoughts expressed in this forum are mine also. Second of all, Nancy Cole has agreed to be the Asst. State Coordinator, I appreciate her volunteering to help me during this crazy period. Her e-mail address is [email protected] and would appreciate it if anyone who sends me an e-mail would also send her a copy of it by cc. That way both of us know what is going on. Also, probably a cc to your Regional Coordinator would be best also. I know some of the coordinators now have pages on rootsweb.com. This notice just came in: >STATE COORDINATORS: When a county has attained a new account at >RootsWeb, Please remind the new CC to notify me when the Home Page is up and >running. The "me" in this instance is Tom Hembrey and his e-mail is [email protected], he is the Guest Page Webmaster at Rootsweb. We have new people and new URL's: Union County has been adopted by Chip Brown, e-mail [email protected], Union County's website's URL is http://members.aol.com/thagamizer/index.html (it is in rough form right now). Welcome Chip !!! Ted Hitt's new Decatur county page is up http://www.usit.net/tngenweb/decatur/ Benton County's new URL is: http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnbenton/index.htm although David hasn't sent the url to the query page <G> Cheatham County's page isn't up yet but Ted Hitt has a co-host who is part of the Cheatham County Historical and Genealogical Society and his name is Jim Allen, e-mail address [email protected] Welcome Jim !!! Please be sure if you have links to the above counties you either change them or add them to your pages. On the subject of Microsoft's FrontPage. I am not familiar with this application. I don't know how many on this project has this application, nor if the cost of obtaining this application is steep. I will have to check into the USIT situation tomorrow on what they may offer (or maybe one of the RC's can do this and report back), if their only alternative is to have this application for self updating and loading of pages then this narrows our capabilities some I would think. But let's not worry about crossing that bridge until we find out everything first. My contact information (other than e-mail) if you need to get in touch with me is: Bridgett Edwards Smith 2309-B Stewart Avenue Las Vegas, NV 89101 (702) 382-9409 (an answering machine answers ALWAYS, if you say who you are and I am home, which is 99% of the time, I will pick up) I also have ICQ, my # is 4377927, PowWow user name Bridgett, and AOL's Instant Messenger, user name GFS Gidget (I work in the genealogy forum on AOL and this is my work name there, long story). AOL's Instant Messenger is good for all platforms, although there is no conferencing available. The other two applications can't be used with 3.11 or MAC, however you can set up conferencing. ICQ has a MAC version, however it is only good for e-mailing back and forth messages quickly. (I have a close cousin on a MAC is the only reason I know what can be used and can't). I think I've covered everything for now. Let's keep working together to keep the TNGenWeb project one of the best projects going in the USGenWeb organization. Bridgett Bridgett Edwards Smith [email protected] ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~~*~*~* The Bible Family: http://www.rootsweb.com/~bible Home Page: http://www.wizard.com/~bascs/mypage.htm Greene Co TN: http://www.usit.net/tngenweb/greene

Yes, Billie was notified before it happened. She did not respond. As far as the role of the national coordinator, it has not changed since the inception of the project. megan -- PLEASE NOTE URLS BELOW: [email protected] * [email protected] Megan Zurawicz, National Coordinator USGenWeb http://www.usgenweb.net -- http://www.usgenweb.org

To Melissa and other Front Page users, I use Frontpage to upload my personal home page to Peachnet. I, too, would like to use it to upload my county pages to usit. I don't use Frontpage to create my pages. I use Corel and/or handcode. And you correctly stated that it is easy to use. Obion Co TN Genealogy: http://www.usit.net/tngenweb/obion/ Gibson Co TN Genealogy http://www.usit.net/tngenweb/gibson/ Carroll County Genealogy http://www.usit.net/tngenweb/carroll/ Haywood County TN Genealogy http://www.usit.net/tngenweb/haywood/ Jane Home Page, Obion Co TN http://www.pchnet.com/janep/jnp.htm