I have a strange problem again. There is a lady on my mailing list who tries very hard to be helpful. She sends things in from time to time and has been a great help getting the chatroom off the ground. Problem is she sent me some cemetery lists the other day. When I examined the file at the bottom it said Copyright 1997 Union County Historical Society. I know I can't use the lists because of ill feelings between myself and the Historical Society. (They don't like me giving away information on my site) They would never give me permission to use it. She had no idea of copyright or anything. How do you handle these situations? I really don't want to offend her. Chip Union County TnGenWeb

Fred Smoot wrote: > <snip> that a small amount organization might be in order. Small sounds good. > > As individuals, we may say we are here to honor our ancestors ... we love genealogy ... our product is online genealogical information which we contribute freely to the general public. Right! > In as much as the CCs donate their time in a totally volunteer nonprofit environment with absolutely no financial gain for themselves, any proposed organization structure must support and protect the freedoms that rightful belong to those CCs. > ... We would then be governed by the rules WE create, rather than being subject to outside intervention. > > ... As long as the USGenWeb Project met OUR standards of free online nonprofit genealogy.... > > Before submitting the Charter, we need to hear from you. Please post > your reply to this list so we all can share. We need to remain a team, > and keep our three stars shining above the rest. As I have stated before, I believe we as a State have all we can do to take care of ourselves (more people - more squabbling). USGenWEb is just a meeting place for everyone to get to the states to do their genealogy. How would the entity of US protect us? If I put up a major piece of work, I do want it to be protected. Would USGenWeb sue for me if my work was stolen and published? Fred has made some good points. Could we do a write in vote? Fred for NC? Not running for anything, just trying to work on my page, Judy

Chip: I have the same problem in Greene County. People are submitting wills, but they are the abstracts from Goldene Burgner's Book (you can tell, it's not a complete will). I don't put those online. I write back to the folks thank them very much for their submission, however since it is taken from a book that is copyrighted I can not publish it. Now if they find it on a microfilm in full text somewhere, then I will be glad to upload it. I've had no one scream at me yet. <VBG> You might want to suggest to the lady if she can get a microfilm of the WPA cemetery listings of that cemetery and transcribe it from that you will be utterly grateful and will gladly upload it and give her full credit. You'd be surprised what you get back in the mail -- somehow it works. LOL. Bridgett On 12 Jul 98 at 23:00, TNGEN-L@rootsweb.com wrote: > I have a strange problem again. There is a lady on my mailing list who tries > very hard to be helpful. She sends things in from time to time and has been a > great help getting the chatroom off the ground. > > Problem is she sent me some cemetery lists the other day. When I examined the > file at the bottom it said Copyright 1997 Union County Historical Society. I > know I can't use the lists because of ill feelings between myself and the > Historical Society. (They don't like me giving away information on my site) > They would never give me permission to use it. She had no idea of copyright or > anything. > > How do you handle these situations? I really don't want to offend her. > > Chip > Union County TnGenWeb > > > ==== TNGEN Mailing List ==== > > > All URL's back to USGenWeb should read: > http://www.usgenweb.org > -- or -- > http://www.usgenweb.net > > > ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ Bridgett Smith TNGenWeb State Coordinator http://www.tngenweb.org/

The folks handling the software for the mailing lists at rootsweb.com, after requests from listowners, have made it so any messages going to lists with attachments and/or HTML coding in the messages will be kicked back to the submitter. They will not be posted to the mailing list. If you are getting your messages back or your e-mail program produces HTML and you don't know how to cut it off, you should be able to find a solution to your problem at: http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/listowners/html-off.htm Bridgett ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ Bridgett Smith TNGenWeb State Coordinator http://www.tngenweb.org/

p.s. > "TNGEN-L@rootsweb.com" <TNGEN-L@rootsweb.com> > is the address i'm sending this to ... sometimes, I don't know how, this switches to a request something or other.) Does anyone know why???? > >From TNGEN-L-request@rootsweb.com > http://www.state.tn.us/sos/history.htm > Tennessee Blue Book ... will answer many Tennessee Questions ... but really a bound copy on your desk is easier than the on line one. > see below for Fort Pillow > http://scriptorium.lib.duke.edu/williamson/annotations/pillow.html > http://www.mississippi-river.com/mrpc/tnripley.htm > and check out this page for a map location of West TN state parks including Fort Pillow, it's # 4 > http://www.state.tn.us/environment/parks/westpage.htm > Jane > p.s. > ("TNGEN-L@rootsweb.com" <<TNGEN-L@rootsweb.com> > is the address i'm sending this to ... sometimes, I don't know how, this switches to a request something or other.) > <center>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > TNGenWeb Regional Coordinator: > Carroll, Chester, Gibson,Hardeman,Haywood, Lauderdale, McNairy, Obion, > James > Maintains: > Haywood County TNGenWeb > http://www.tngenweb.org/haywood/ > Obion County TNGenWeb > http://www.tngenweb.org/obion/ > Goodspeed's History of Tennessee > http://www.tngenweb.org/cntylinks/goodspeed/ > Post Queries > http://www.tngenweb.org/queries/qpost.htm > Jane's Home Page > http://www.pchnet.com/janep/jnp.htm > </center> Hi -- The message you submitted to this list (included above) wasn't sent to the list subscribers. RootsWeb accepts only plain text mail. That means that HTML mail, attachments, ``enriched text'', and a few other formats can't be sent to RootsWeb mailing lists. You can post your message if you send it in plain text; turn off the ``Post in HTML'' or ``Enriched Text'' features of your mail reader, or don't use any attachments. See http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/listowners/html-off.htm for instructions on turning off HTML in most of the popular mail programs, or ask your ISP's technical support line for help. We've had to institute this policy because of the problems that accompany these fancy mail formats. Some people don't have mail programs that are capable of processing the special file formats. Even among those who do, different mail programs handle these special formats in very different and confusing ways. HTML messages pose special problems to our digested mailing lists. Most of all, HTML-ified mail and attachments place a considerable burden on RootsWeb's overworked machines. All in all, mail in this format produces a lot of problems for RootsWeb's servers and subscribers, so we find it's best just to use plain text. -- The RootsWeb staff

Bridgett, Fort Pillow is in Tipton County. Perhaps that host could help. There is a prison there now. I agree with Jess about the controversy over Forrest. As we were taught over here in West Tennessee, Forrest stopped the killing of the innocent Blacks when he found out about it. As you well know (VBG) he couldn't control all the hot heads in his command instantly - but he DID stop it as soon as he found out. Very much like the fact that probably all the Yankee generals weren't supportive of the Yankee soldiers destroying the South, - burning farms, killing innocent Whites, raping and stealing. Leslie Moore lmoore@ecsis.net Personal homepage: http://www.ecsis.net/~lmoore/ Lake County, TN History/Genealogy page: http://www.ecsis.net/lakecounty/history/ -----Original Message----- From: Bridgett Smith <bascs@snark.wizard.com> To: TNGEN-L@rootsweb.com <TNGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Saturday, July 11, 1998 3:21 PM Subject: Re: [TNGEN-L] Fort Pillow Thanks Jess: Needless to say I have a ton on my mind -- and since the humidity is up here in Las Vegas Valley, connection problems have been my stable mate for the last 2 days. I heard of the name, just couldn't place it. I got a query from someone quote: "Could you tell me please where I may find information on Fort Pillow?" So instead of racking my brains at the present time, I decided to ask. Bridgett On 11 Jul 98 at 14:53, TNGEN-L@rootsweb.com wrote: > OK Bridgett !!! > What are you trying to do, start a "race war" ? Are things getting too > quiet for you :>) VBG, etc. > Everyone knows something about Ft. Pillow. (I thought) That's where > General N.B. Forrest (A true Southerners hero, and a minor hero of mine) > called on them lo down durty yankees to surrender, or else !! They chose > "or else", and he lit in on em and kilt most of em !!! Some folk say he > kilt some innocent (black) women and childern, while he was at it, but > most other folks (including me) say that is a low down yankee lie !! > -- > Jess Lewis >> http://www.cafes.net/jlewis/ << > > > ==== TNGEN Mailing List ==== > > Be sure to send your updates to this mailing list to be > included on the "What's New" page. > > > ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ Bridgett Smith TNGenWeb State Coordinator http://www.tngenweb.org/ ==== TNGEN Mailing List ==== All URL's back to USGenWeb should read: http://www.usgenweb.org -- or -- http://www.usgenweb.net

Tim et al, I will answer these questions on TNCHAT-L. For those of you who have an interest in the direction of TNGenWeb, please subscribe to the TNCHAT-L list. Bridgett will subscribe you. Write her. bascs@snark.wizard.com Fred Smoot Tim Stowell wrote: > > At 12:46 AM 7/11/98 -0700, Fred Smoot wrote: > >Greetings fellow CCs, > > > >After the basic Charter is approved, we (all CCs), would have the > >opportunity to contribute to a fair and equitable set of Bylaws. Next, > >the Bylaws would need to be approved by a majority of the CCs. We would > >then be governed by the rules WE create, rather than being subject to > >outside intervention. > > >Please note, there is nothing in this act of our incorporation that > >would change our relationship with USGenWeb Project. As long as the > >USGenWeb Project met OUR standards of free online nonprofit genealogy, > >there would probably never be a need for change. > > > >Before submitting the Charter, we need to hear from you. Please post > >your reply to this list so we all can share. We need to remain a team, > >and keep our three stars shining above the rest. > > What do you propose for those CCs that don't approve of this incorporation? > What will be the status of their pages? Will there be two USGenWeb pages > for that particular TN county, one sanctioned by your incorporation and one > not sanctioned? > > I believe the National Project is moving in the direction of internal state > controls as it has basically always been. It is trying to set up or lead > in the direction of setting up some sort of grievance procedures for those > who come into conflict with state guidelines. > > Why bring up this issue now? Why not wait to see how the National Project > gets thru the election process and see if the bylaws pass before going on > this route? > > It may be of interest to some to know that the Page Police, as you call > them, were an idea that came out of the Kentucky project. While I do > believe we need some consistancy to show we are members of the same > project, I see no need of page police. As the State Coordinator for North > Dakota and Regional Coordinator for West Tennessee, I rarely 'police' my > CCs pages. I let them know when a link isn't working or make suggestions > to help them improve the visitor's experience when viewing their pages. > I've made mistakes in doing this with some CCs who didn't even know I was > the RC for their region and from misreading pages but I do mean to be > constructive and helpful to them instead of being a pain. As a CC myself, > I do appreciate others who comment about my pages. I realize that I see > my pages with rose colored glasses and need someone else with a different > view to tell what works and what doesn't. > > > Tim Stowell tstowell@mccallie.org > The McCallie School 423.493.5604 (voice) > Chattanooga, TN 37404 423.493.5656 (fax) > > > > ==== TNGEN Mailing List ==== > > Be sure to send your updates to this mailing list to be > included on the "What's New" page.

Hi all, I think it is very important to have a separate list for discussing (arguing) the merits/methods of organizing TNGenWeb. Over at NCGenWeb, they are trying to elect a new state coordinator right now and it has turned into a nightmare (so I hear). There are many people here on TNGEN-L who do *not* want this list to become political. We should respect their wishes. Some cc's in NC have quit over the turmoil there. I suspect if we restart the politics here some of our beloved cc's will resign. We ought to take our "chat" over to TNCHAT-L and leave this list in peace. That's what Bridgett created that list for. Anyone who wants to engage in the fun is welcome to ask Bridgett to be put on the chat list. I think it is unfortunate that we even have to have this discussion here. Can't we agree on anything? :-)) My 2 cents, George of Lincoln On 11 Jul 98 at 9:08, TNGEN-L@rootsweb.com wrote: > You know the old saying: > > You can please some of the people some of the time, but you can't > please all of the people all of the time (or something close to > that). > > The new list was created because many people requested it, and after > the announcement of it's creation I got many thank yous for doing so. > I am not setting a precedence here by having 2 discussion lists for a > state project, their are other state projects that have them, and > only one of those lists is a required list, the one pertaining to > announcements. > > Bridgett > > > On 11 Jul 98 at 9:00, TNGEN-L@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > Bridgett, I don't see any need for another list. We have our TNGenWeb list > > that everyone is subscribed to. I thought that this list was to discuss > > anything that goes on with the TNGenweb group. Why have another list? If > > you are going to have another list, then subscribe everyone to it. Any > > thing that is discussed about the TNGenweb should include everyone. If > > someone does not want to read the messages, I think all computers have a > > delete button. > > > > Athol > > > > > > At 09:28 PM 7/10/98 +0000, you wrote: > > >Hi Athol: > > > > > >Welcome home. Hey, finding a little is better than a wasted trip > > >altogether right? Wish I could make a trip to E TN ::sigh:: > > > > > >We have set up a discussion list called TNChat, I have not subscribed > > >you -- you have to go through me to do so -- I am assuming tho that > > >you would like to be on this list. > > > > > >Please let me know. > > > > > >Bridgett > > **************************************************************************** > > ******** > > > > Athol K. Foster > > Coordinator for Dekalb Co., Tn. > > TNGenWeb > > <http://www.tngenweb.org/dekalb/> > > My Home Page: > > "Fosters in DeKalb County, Tennessee" > > <http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ranch/3627> > > > > > > ==== TNGEN Mailing List ==== > > > > Be sure to send your updates to this mailing list to be > > included on the "What's New" page. > > > > > > > ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ > > Bridgett Smith > TNGenWeb State Coordinator > http://www.tngenweb.org/ > > > ==== TNGEN Mailing List ==== > > Be sure to send your updates to this mailing list to be > included on the "What's New" page. >

OK Bridgett !!! What are you trying to do, start a "race war" ? Are things getting too quiet for you :>) VBG, etc. Everyone knows something about Ft. Pillow. (I thought) That's where General N.B. Forrest (A true Southerners hero, and a minor hero of mine) called on them lo down durty yankees to surrender, or else !! They chose "or else", and he lit in on em and kilt most of em !!! Some folk say he kilt some innocent (black) women and childern, while he was at it, but most other folks (including me) say that is a low down yankee lie !! -- Jess Lewis >> http://www.cafes.net/jlewis/ <<

George and all, To answer your question, no, I did not send to the wrong list by mistake. But yes, Bridgett did set up the TNCHAT-L list so that we could discuss things like incorporation. However, as you point out, I mailed to the TNGEN-L list. The reasons for this are: 1. The TNGEN-L list reaches all TNGenWeb volunteers. As Bridgett's latest message states, there are 110 subscribers on the official list. It is necessary that all important messages, announcements, calls for votes, etc, *always* be posed to the TNGEN-L list. 2. With only 26 CCs on the TNCHAT-L list, we need to increase those numbers so it can function well as a discussion list for us. I do not want important issues to be hidden on the TNCHAT-L without our folks on TNGEN-L knowing that the issue is on TNCHAT-L and that they have the option and right to subscribe. I originally suggested a second list (which is now established as TNCHAT-L). I did this because there are some CCs who do not want to be inundated with the same redundant opinion from the same author. Not your opinion, not my opinion, not over and over. We respect the wishes of the CCs who would rather do genealogy, their county pages and their special projects and NOT want to receive overwhelming opinions. However, from the git go, Bridgett's stated position has been; whatever we do, it will be democratic. Right now, my posting to TNGen-L is the most democratic way. I would be pleased to move the discussion to the TNCHAT-L list. Lets have some more subscribers so more CCs are represented. Once we get past the incorporation issue, we will be able to use the list for discussions about county records, cemetery preservation, dogtrot architecture, and good ol' southern cooking. Respectfully, Fred Smoot George Waller wrote: > > Fred... I thought Bridgett set up TNCHAT-L > for discussions like this. Did you send it to > the wrong list by mistake? > George > > On 11 Jul 98 at 0:46, Fred Smoot wrote: > > > Greetings fellow CCs, > > > > As our Tennessee Project enters its third year, it seems apparent that > > the project has grown enough that a small amount organization might be > > in order. > > > > As individuals, we may say we are here to honor our ancestors or because > > we love genealogy or because we have an obsession with HTML, but > > whatever > > the reason, our product is online genealogical information which we > > contribute freely to the general public. > > > > Our state project is a good project, it is getting better and better all > > the time. The dedicated efforts of, you, the CC Volunteers built this > > project and it is the efforts of you CC Volunteers that keep this > > project > > healthy and growing. > > > > Any organizational effort needs to respect both the product and those > > who give of themselves to create that product. > > > > In as much as the CCs donate their time in a totally volunteer nonprofit > > environment with absolutely no financial gain for themselves, any > > proposed organization structure must support and protect the freedoms > > that rightful belong to those CCs. > > > > A velvet glove approach is indicated, not that of an iron fist. > > Organization must not create a situation where the "Page Police" are > > looking down our necks. > > > > But the project does need some organization to protect the work we do > > and we need a "legal" organization to which we can "will" our work when > > we leave the project. > > > > Bridgett, Nancy and I have been working on a Charter that can be > > submitted to the Tennessee Department of State. It is a Charter for a > > nonprofit corporation. We would not be the first StateGenWeb to > > incorporate. KansasGenWeb has recently incorporated as a nonprofit. > > > > After the basic Charter is approved, we (all CCs), would have the > > opportunity to contribute to a fair and equitable set of Bylaws. Next, > > the Bylaws would need to be approved by a majority of the CCs. We would > > then be governed by the rules WE create, rather than being subject to > > outside intervention. > > > > Please note, there is nothing in this act of our incorporation that > > would change our relationship with USGenWeb Project. As long as the > > USGenWeb Project met OUR standards of free online nonprofit genealogy, > > there would probably never be a need for change. > > > > Before submitting the Charter, we need to hear from you. Please post > > your reply to this list so we all can share. We need to remain a team, > > and keep our three stars shining above the rest. > > > > Fred Smoot, a State Rights Westerner > > > > > > ==== TNGEN Mailing List ==== > > > > Be sure to send your updates to this mailing list to be > > included on the "What's New" page. > > -- <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> Fred Smoot, Patty Sokolecki Smoot; Dog Trot X Press Art, Graphics, Maps, Panoramic Photography. ~^~^~^~^~^~^~ Fred's Projects ~^~^~^~^~^~^~ TNGenWeb; Special Projects Coordinator. Middle Tennessee Genealogical Society, WebMaster: http://www.dogtrot.com/mtgs/ TNGenWeb; Letters from Forgotten Ancestors: http://www.tngenweb.org/tnletters/ TNGenWeb; First People of Tennessee: Cherokee & Chickasaw Nations http://www.tngenweb.org/tnfirst/ TNGenWeb; People of Color in Old Tennessee http://www.tngenweb.org/tncolor/ TNGenWeb; The Maps Our Ancestors Followed: http://www.tngenweb.org/maps/ TNGenWeb; The Land of Our Ancestors: http://www.tngenweb.org/tnland/ Warren County Genealogical Association, WebMaster http://www.dogtrot.com/wcga/ TNGenWeb; Warren County Tennessee Homepage: http://www.tngenweb.org/warren/

At 12:46 AM 7/11/98 -0700, Fred Smoot wrote: >Greetings fellow CCs, > >After the basic Charter is approved, we (all CCs), would have the >opportunity to contribute to a fair and equitable set of Bylaws. Next, >the Bylaws would need to be approved by a majority of the CCs. We would >then be governed by the rules WE create, rather than being subject to >outside intervention. >Please note, there is nothing in this act of our incorporation that >would change our relationship with USGenWeb Project. As long as the >USGenWeb Project met OUR standards of free online nonprofit genealogy, >there would probably never be a need for change. > >Before submitting the Charter, we need to hear from you. Please post >your reply to this list so we all can share. We need to remain a team, >and keep our three stars shining above the rest. What do you propose for those CCs that don't approve of this incorporation? What will be the status of their pages? Will there be two USGenWeb pages for that particular TN county, one sanctioned by your incorporation and one not sanctioned? I believe the National Project is moving in the direction of internal state controls as it has basically always been. It is trying to set up or lead in the direction of setting up some sort of grievance procedures for those who come into conflict with state guidelines. Why bring up this issue now? Why not wait to see how the National Project gets thru the election process and see if the bylaws pass before going on this route? It may be of interest to some to know that the Page Police, as you call them, were an idea that came out of the Kentucky project. While I do believe we need some consistancy to show we are members of the same project, I see no need of page police. As the State Coordinator for North Dakota and Regional Coordinator for West Tennessee, I rarely 'police' my CCs pages. I let them know when a link isn't working or make suggestions to help them improve the visitor's experience when viewing their pages. I've made mistakes in doing this with some CCs who didn't even know I was the RC for their region and from misreading pages but I do mean to be constructive and helpful to them instead of being a pain. As a CC myself, I do appreciate others who comment about my pages. I realize that I see my pages with rose colored glasses and need someone else with a different view to tell what works and what doesn't. Tim Stowell tstowell@mccallie.org The McCallie School 423.493.5604 (voice) Chattanooga, TN 37404 423.493.5656 (fax)

Bridgett, A response of 26 out of 110 isn't terribly low (that's almost 25%) concerning what name the TN CCs preferred for the official name. But this thread was stopped shortly after it started. Yes, I did indicate for you to "make it so" because you wanted the TNGen-l list to be for announcements, but it was your idea to have another list to discuss other issues and that's better than nothing. I said to "make it so" because a while back you said another list for discussions was being arranged and it just wasn't happening. Isn't the state-coord-l list there for the SCs to discuss problems, issues and how other SCs handle any number of situations that come up among other things? Having an open discussion is far better than private e-mails back and forth and it would seem to me a lot more constructive. In other words, my preference is and always has been discussion on the TNGen-l list, but if the majority of the CCs prefer it take place on the TNChat-l, so be it. But please, lets not get sidetracked from a discussion of incorporation whatever list its on. Mary Floy At 09:13 AM 7/11/98 +0000, you wrote: >We have over 110 people involved in the TNGenWeb project, hosts, >co-hosts, helpers, etc. Of those 110, 26 replied to the request for a >name. > >Mary didn't you write to me and indicate that I was to "make it so" >regarding the chat mailing list? Change your mind? > >Bridgett > >On 11 Jul 98 at 11:55, TNGEN-L@rootsweb.com wrote: > >> I also agree the discussion should be on the TNGenWeb list because it >> affects all of us. If the responses to what name we should/should not >> use is any indication of interest, then a good many of the CCs are >> indeed interested. >> >> Mary Floy >> >~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ > >Bridgett Smith >TNGenWeb State Coordinator >http://www.tngenweb.org/ > > >==== TNGEN Mailing List ==== > >Be sure to send your updates to this mailing list to be >included on the "What's New" page. > > > Mary Floy Katzman Framingham, Massachusetts maryfloy@mkatzman.tiac.net ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Johnson County, TN Genealogy http://www.tiac.net/users/mkatzman/jct/johnmain.html List Owner of the TNJOHNSO-L mail list. To subscribe send a message to: "majordomo@rootsquest.com" and in the message write: "subscribe tnjohnso-l" or "subscribe tnjohnso-l-digest" Please do not use the quotes. "If God doesn't call your name until your work on earth is finished, then I'm never going to die."

Fred, I whole-heartedly agree with you. We do need to protect ourselves. While we are talking about it, we need to determin what name we are going to use for the incorporation. I know some people don't want to use it, but my vote is for "TNGenWeb". Athol At 12:46 AM 7/11/98 -0700, you wrote: >Greetings fellow CCs, ----<snip>------ >Before submitting the Charter, we need to hear from you. Please post >your reply to this list so we all can share. We need to remain a team, >and keep our three stars shining above the rest. > >Fred Smoot, a State Rights Westerner > **************************************************************************** ******** Athol K. Foster Coordinator for Dekalb Co., Tn. TNGenWeb <http://www.tngenweb.org/dekalb/> My Home Page: "Fosters in DeKalb County, Tennessee" <http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ranch/3627>

Bridgett, I don't see any need for another list. We have our TNGenWeb list that everyone is subscribed to. I thought that this list was to discuss anything that goes on with the TNGenweb group. Why have another list? If you are going to have another list, then subscribe everyone to it. Any thing that is discussed about the TNGenweb should include everyone. If someone does not want to read the messages, I think all computers have a delete button. Athol At 09:28 PM 7/10/98 +0000, you wrote: >Hi Athol: > >Welcome home. Hey, finding a little is better than a wasted trip >altogether right? Wish I could make a trip to E TN ::sigh:: > >We have set up a discussion list called TNChat, I have not subscribed >you -- you have to go through me to do so -- I am assuming tho that >you would like to be on this list. > >Please let me know. > >Bridgett **************************************************************************** ******** Athol K. Foster Coordinator for Dekalb Co., Tn. TNGenWeb <http://www.tngenweb.org/dekalb/> My Home Page: "Fosters in DeKalb County, Tennessee" <http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ranch/3627>

Fred... I thought Bridgett set up TNCHAT-L for discussions like this. Did you send it to the wrong list by mistake? George On 11 Jul 98 at 0:46, Fred Smoot wrote: > Greetings fellow CCs, > > As our Tennessee Project enters its third year, it seems apparent that > the project has grown enough that a small amount organization might be > in order. > > As individuals, we may say we are here to honor our ancestors or because > we love genealogy or because we have an obsession with HTML, but > whatever > the reason, our product is online genealogical information which we > contribute freely to the general public. > > Our state project is a good project, it is getting better and better all > the time. The dedicated efforts of, you, the CC Volunteers built this > project and it is the efforts of you CC Volunteers that keep this > project > healthy and growing. > > Any organizational effort needs to respect both the product and those > who give of themselves to create that product. > > In as much as the CCs donate their time in a totally volunteer nonprofit > environment with absolutely no financial gain for themselves, any > proposed organization structure must support and protect the freedoms > that rightful belong to those CCs. > > A velvet glove approach is indicated, not that of an iron fist. > Organization must not create a situation where the "Page Police" are > looking down our necks. > > But the project does need some organization to protect the work we do > and we need a "legal" organization to which we can "will" our work when > we leave the project. > > Bridgett, Nancy and I have been working on a Charter that can be > submitted to the Tennessee Department of State. It is a Charter for a > nonprofit corporation. We would not be the first StateGenWeb to > incorporate. KansasGenWeb has recently incorporated as a nonprofit. > > After the basic Charter is approved, we (all CCs), would have the > opportunity to contribute to a fair and equitable set of Bylaws. Next, > the Bylaws would need to be approved by a majority of the CCs. We would > then be governed by the rules WE create, rather than being subject to > outside intervention. > > Please note, there is nothing in this act of our incorporation that > would change our relationship with USGenWeb Project. As long as the > USGenWeb Project met OUR standards of free online nonprofit genealogy, > there would probably never be a need for change. > > Before submitting the Charter, we need to hear from you. Please post > your reply to this list so we all can share. We need to remain a team, > and keep our three stars shining above the rest. > > Fred Smoot, a State Rights Westerner > > > ==== TNGEN Mailing List ==== > > Be sure to send your updates to this mailing list to be > included on the "What's New" page. >

If anyone is interested in chatting on IRC, I will be online (if I can get online and stay that way) tonight at 5 PM PDT (8 EDT, 7CDT, 6 MDT). I will be on irc.rootsweb.com, port 6667, channel #tngenweb If you do not have an IRC client (like mIRC -- I don't know what the most popular one application is for a MAC is called), you can go to http://www.hotfiles.com and enter in the search field IRC and it will take you to their list of files. FWIW mIRC is very easy to set up, you just about only have to open it up, enter a few things that are necessary and you are on your way. I chose this way of communicating real time, as it is the most cross OS platform way of talking in real time. You folks on AOL, can use it also. Mitzi Freemen indicated that you can d/l what you need out of AOL's software file. If you need help, she said she would help those on AOL her e-mail address is setraveler@aol.com. Once signed onto irc.rootsweb.com, you will type in /join #tngenweb and it will take you to the channel. Hope to see several of you folks there. Bridgett ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ Bridgett Smith TNGenWeb State Coordinator http://www.tngenweb.org/

Thanks Jess: Needless to say I have a ton on my mind -- and since the humidity is up here in Las Vegas Valley, connection problems have been my stable mate for the last 2 days. I heard of the name, just couldn't place it. I got a query from someone quote: "Could you tell me please where I may find information on Fort Pillow?" So instead of racking my brains at the present time, I decided to ask. Bridgett On 11 Jul 98 at 14:53, TNGEN-L@rootsweb.com wrote: > OK Bridgett !!! > What are you trying to do, start a "race war" ? Are things getting too > quiet for you :>) VBG, etc. > Everyone knows something about Ft. Pillow. (I thought) That's where > General N.B. Forrest (A true Southerners hero, and a minor hero of mine) > called on them lo down durty yankees to surrender, or else !! They chose > "or else", and he lit in on em and kilt most of em !!! Some folk say he > kilt some innocent (black) women and childern, while he was at it, but > most other folks (including me) say that is a low down yankee lie !! > -- > Jess Lewis >> http://www.cafes.net/jlewis/ << > > > ==== TNGEN Mailing List ==== > > Be sure to send your updates to this mailing list to be > included on the "What's New" page. > > > ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ Bridgett Smith TNGenWeb State Coordinator http://www.tngenweb.org/

Any one here know anything about Fort Pillow? Thanks, ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ Bridgett Smith TNGenWeb State Coordinator http://www.tngenweb.org/

------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 10:58:56 +0000 From: Linda Russell Lewis <cityslic@ix.netcom.com> Organization: USGenWeb Archives, VAGenWeb Subject: [STATE-COORD-L] Archives FTP permission problem To: STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com Reply-to: STATE-COORD-L@rootsweb.com Please share with your county coordinators. Those county coordinators that handle their own county directory of the Archives might be having a problem accessing the archives_ftp and archives_html directory right now. That's because there was a security problem, and we are currently working on it. In the meantime, the state Archives file managers/archivists have been asked to provide to me a list of those who should have access to county directories for their state. Dale Schneider will then set the "permissions" appropriately. Thanks, Linda National Coordinator Campaign Message Board: http://venus.beseen.com/boardroom/r/16551/ ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ Bridgett Smith TNGenWeb State Coordinator http://www.tngenweb.org/

Fred and Athol, I too agree we need to discuss all kinds of issues regarding the direction the TNGenWeb is going. Its been months since the subject of incorporation was brought up, but nothing has come of it. It seems to me there is interest in the subject of incorporation and it should be persued and I see no need to wait for the outcome of the elections. I think its been put off long enough. I also agree the discussion should be on the TNGenWeb list because it affects all of us. If the responses to what name we should/should not use is any indication of interest, then a good many of the CCs are indeed interested. Mary Floy At 09:00 AM 7/11/98 -0500, you wrote: >Fred, I whole-heartedly agree with you. We do need to protect ourselves. >While we are talking about it, we need to determin what name we are going to >use for the incorporation. I know some people don't want to use it, but my >vote is for "TNGenWeb". > >Athol > > >At 12:46 AM 7/11/98 -0700, you wrote: >>Greetings fellow CCs, >----<snip>------ >>Before submitting the Charter, we need to hear from you. Please post >>your reply to this list so we all can share. We need to remain a team, >>and keep our three stars shining above the rest. >> >>Fred Smoot, a State Rights Westerner >> >**************************************************************************** >******** > >Athol K. Foster >Coordinator for Dekalb Co., Tn. >TNGenWeb ><http://www.tngenweb.org/dekalb/> >My Home Page: >"Fosters in DeKalb County, Tennessee" ><http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ranch/3627> > > Mary Floy Katzman Framingham, Massachusetts maryfloy@mkatzman.tiac.net ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Johnson County, TN Genealogy http://www.tiac.net/users/mkatzman/jct/johnmain.html List Owner of the TNJOHNSO-L mail list. To subscribe send a message to: "majordomo@rootsquest.com" and in the message write: "subscribe tnjohnso-l" or "subscribe tnjohnso-l-digest" Please do not use the quotes. "If God doesn't call your name until your work on earth is finished, then I'm never going to die."