Clark I remember thinking about these dates and like you I had the census to go on first and James was younger than John, and I had it that way on my charts, then Zelma sent me his dates in 1972, maybe it should have been 1859 not 1856, but the dates I sent you, was what she sent me, I still have her letter. Maybe we will get this strighten out in time. Thanks to Gary Norris for the information on Odie Delks military service. Wilma