Hi All, A very good question and also answers. In addition to waht has already been said, I use the historical society newsletters if the county in which I'm researching has them. Gerri On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 4:30 PM, Brenda K. <bcorby51@yahoo.ca> wrote: > I love the input from everyone! I also descend from the Rolf/Pocahantas > line. My brick wall is my maternal greatmother who was said to be Cherokee > indian. She was married to Joshua Oliver from Hazzard KY. My grandfather Joe > Oliver lived in Jamestown TN. He was was married to Vera Delk. Vera's mother > was a Patton. Actually, Milly and I are related. > > My other brcik wall is my paternal grandfather. My grandfather was James > Arthur Eldridge from Cookeville TN. Any help would be appreciated! > > > Ciao, > Brenda Kaye Corbett (nee Eldridge) > > --- On Thu, 12/30/10, Susie Lemin <slemin46@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > From: Susie Lemin <slemin46@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [TNFENTRE] A question about your research > To: tnfentre@rootsweb.com > Received: Thursday, December 30, 2010, 5:18 PM > > > I understand about the fusteration about brickwalls. I was butting my head > on a > few until a very nice person by the name of Bruce York helped me along. > > Also I was devastated to find out that DNA only showed the male > connections. > > My most rewarding find was by pure luck. I was working on my husbands > Cabell > line I see the name Rebecca Pocahantas Bolling. I thought to myself OH > Bother > why would some name a child that. Well I went back and found that she was > the > great grand daughter of John Rolfe and POCAHANTAS Rebecca Powhanttan. > So never skip any names even if they are female. > > This clued me into not ignoring any female names and that lead me back to > Augustin Hermann in Maryland who was not only my husband's ancestor but > mine > also. > > The only regrett I have is that Carroll Co. TN doesn't have as good of > database > that Overton/Fentress Co. have. My maternal line springs from there > > Susie McFarland Lemin, Back Home in Texas, > > "LOVE: is when the happiness of another is essential to your own" > Robert Anson Heinlein from the book "TIME ENOUGH FOR LOVE" > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Stan Arney <arney9thgeneration@yahoo.com> > To: tnfentre@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wed, December 29, 2010 5:00:45 PM > Subject: [TNFENTRE] A question about your research > > I have a Q? for all of you, about your genealogy research. > > When you began tracing your family surname, did you only concentrate on > that > surname, therefore only the men, who could carry on the family name? > > I will be honest, I have never taken a single course or workshop, on the > hobby > of genealogy. I never had anyone, sit me down, and show me, step-by-step, > just > how to go about all of this, the correct way. I know there is no perfect > plan > to research > your family, but it would have been nice to have some pointers. > > How did I begin, I asked my paternal grandmother about our family, and she > handed me a small sheet of paper with some names on it. She also told me, > I > might want to write a distant cousin, whom she knew who was into genealogy, > and > see what he could tell me. Well, he sent me a hand-drawn family tree, it > wasn’t > complete mind you, but it was a great start. Hey, at least I wasn’t > starting > from scratch. > > I knew my family was basically in Tennessee, so I began looking up some of > the > names in the US Federal Census microfilm rolls. Wow, that was a joke, at > first > no one told me they had index books to check first, so I spent > hours rolling > through page after page of microfilm, and getting frustrated that a person, > next > to me, suggested looking in the index books, first. > > The problem with only using the US Federal Census, is it doesn’t give you > the maiden names of any of the wife’s. > > I began my research back in the mid-1970’s, and I still have so much more > to > learn, and need to know. “Brick walls”, as they are know by, in > the genealogy > community, are the most frustrating. > Especially, when you feel you are all alone, trying to solve that > mystery. > > I only concentrated, on the men, the ones who carried on my family surname, > from > one generation to the next, disregarding the women, basically altogether. > > After all, they do not carry on the family surname, so why keep track of > them, > right? > > I have come to learn, as this year comes to a close, that my way of > thinking, > genealogy wise, has been way too narrow. After all, if I want to know > “where do > I come from?” I come from both a father and a mother. I’m a mix of their > blood. My mother’s family blood is just as much a part of me, as my > father’s > family blood is. > > So, that means my mother’s relatives, are (excuse the expression) > relative to genealogy research. After all, if my mother’s family > has Native > American blood in them, then so do I, or if my father’s family has Asian > American blood in them, then so do I. > > There is an added benefit to keeping an eye on, what I call “non-surname > carriers” and that is they may lead you to information on a “surname > carrier” > that you haven’t been able to find. > > Has anyone else, made this same error of judgment, in their research? > > Stan ArneyWichita, KS > > > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/TNFENTRE > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TNFENTRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > > > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/TNFENTRE > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TNFENTRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/TNFENTRE > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TNFENTRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Gerri, Don't remember her name, but think I still have the information. Give me a couple of days to go through some boxes. Pat ________________________________ From: gerrigoodwin tds.net <gerrigoodwin@tds.net> To: tnfentre@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, December 30, 2010 9:49:51 PM Subject: Re: [TNFENTRE] Elmyra, wife of Joseph Matthews, b. abt. 1810 Pat, Did you mean Stephens?  Do you remember who the researcher was?  I'd like to get in touch with him/her.  Thanks. Gerri On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 6:13 PM, Patricia Jones <fortywink1942@yahoo.com>wrote: > Hi All, > I received information on Elmyra from a researcher a few years ago, and if > memory serves me right they had her as Stehens. > > Pat > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Willie R. Beaty <wbeaty@twlakes.net> > To: tnfentre@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wed, December 29, 2010 6:45:26 PM >  Subject: Re: [TNFENTRE] Elmyra, wife of Joseph Matthews, b. abt. 1810 > > Gerri, > > I we probably should be looking for these SURNAMES for Elmyra in either > Russell Co KY or Fentress Co TN, as Joseph Sr was living in Russell Co KY > in > 1810 census. Don't know when Joseph Jr (Elmyra's husband) came to Fentress > Co, whether before or after he was married. > > 1850 and 1860 census has all Joseph Jr's children born in TN, but 1870 and > 1880 has Thomas, Mary, Elisha and Jonathan being born in KY and the later > ones starting with Nancy, born in TN 1838. This would place Joseph Jr and > Elmyra in Ky until about 1836 and in TN by 1838. Chances are, Joseph Jr > married in KY before January 1, 1830 and lived there six or more years > before moving to TN. So, the SURNAME of Elmyra would logically be someone > who came through Russell Co from NC since Elmyra is said to be born in NC. > > Does this make sense? > > Willie > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "gerrigoodwin tds.net" <gerrigoodwin@tds.net> > To: <tnfentre@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 3:26 PM > Subject: Re: [TNFENTRE] Elmyra, wife of Joseph Matthews, b. abt. 1810 > > > > Odie, > > She married into the Matthews line.  Did you mean you had seen Elmyra's > > maiden name as Choate? > > Gerri > > > > On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 11:42 PM, <OdieLion@aol.com> wrote: > > > >> ive always known it to be Elmyra Matthews.. > >> ive never heard of the other names  "other  than choate"..  as she > >> married > >> into the choate  line > >> > >> > >> In a message dated 12/28/2010 12:06:53 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > >>  gerrigoodwin@tds.net writes: > >> > >> I have  seen Elmyra's maiden name as Gauney, Green & Choate in the work > >> of > >> different researchers.  I have pretty much ruled those names out  as > >> possibilities.  Now I have seen it as ABBOTT.  Has anyone else  seen it > >> as > >> Abbott?  Does anyone have a good rationale for it being  Abbott?  Thanks > >> for > >> your  help. > >> Gerri > >> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/TNFENTRE > >> ------------------------------- > >> To  unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> TNFENTRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes  in the subject > >> and the body of the  message > >> > >>  http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/TNFENTRE > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> TNFENTRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/TNFENTRE > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > TNFENTRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/TNFENTRE > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TNFENTRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > > > >  http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/TNFENTRE > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TNFENTRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/TNFENTRE ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNFENTRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

hi Pat we lost contact after Martha died, we didnt know abt all these passing away, my puter died a couple years ago ,  no phonre contact??? Last we knew was Jack moved in with Myrtle??  we moved back to Muncie because of my health(I was doing good'' ,, but I got over it) lite stroke in left side,  plus other things.   I 'll mail you direct , an give you our addy an phone number   keep in touch cozin   Bill n Lois --- On Fri, 12/31/10, Patricia Jones <fortywink1942@yahoo.com> wrote: From: Patricia Jones <fortywink1942@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [TNFENTRE] Elmyra, wife of Joseph Matthews, b. abt. 1810 To: tnfentre@rootsweb.com Date: Friday, December 31, 2010, 12:30 AM Yes its me Bill! How are the two of you doing? Peggy and I are doing good, she has had 3 cancer surgeries and as of last week is cancer free. Did you know that her daughter Kathie passed away in 2004, Martha's son Rick passed away in 2006 and Dick's son Jimmy passed away in 2009. Ron is doing fine, try to aggrevate him everyday. (grin) Pat ________________________________ From: bill campbell <soup_babe@att.net> To: tnfentre@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, December 30, 2010 7:22:01 PM Subject: Re: [TNFENTRE] Elmyra, wife of Joseph Matthews, b. abt. 1810 hi Pat   are you  Sister to Martha 'Jaynes"  from tn to oh   Bill n Lois 'Reagan' Campbell --- On Fri, 12/31/10, Patricia Jones <fortywink1942@yahoo.com> wrote: From: Patricia Jones <fortywink1942@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [TNFENTRE] Elmyra, wife of Joseph Matthews, b. abt. 1810 To: tnfentre@rootsweb.com Date: Friday, December 31, 2010, 12:13 AM Hi All, I received information on Elmyra from a researcher a few years ago, and if memory serves me right they had her as Stehens. Pat ________________________________ From: Willie R. Beaty <wbeaty@twlakes.net> To: tnfentre@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, December 29, 2010 6:45:26 PM Subject: Re: [TNFENTRE] Elmyra, wife of Joseph Matthews, b. abt. 1810 Gerri, I we probably should be looking for these SURNAMES for Elmyra in either Russell Co KY or Fentress Co TN, as Joseph Sr was living in Russell Co KY in 1810 census. Don't know when Joseph Jr (Elmyra's husband) came to Fentress Co, whether before or after he was married. 1850 and 1860 census has all Joseph Jr's children born in TN, but 1870 and 1880 has Thomas, Mary, Elisha and Jonathan being born in KY and the later ones starting with Nancy, born in TN 1838. This would place Joseph Jr and Elmyra in Ky until about 1836 and in TN by 1838. Chances are, Joseph Jr married in KY before January 1, 1830 and lived there six or more years before moving to TN. So, the SURNAME of Elmyra would logically be someone who came through Russell Co from NC since Elmyra is said to be born in NC. Does this make sense? Willie ----- Original Message ----- From: "gerrigoodwin tds.net" <gerrigoodwin@tds.net> To: <tnfentre@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 3:26 PM Subject: Re: [TNFENTRE] Elmyra, wife of Joseph Matthews, b. abt. 1810 > Odie, > She married into the Matthews line.  Did you mean you had seen Elmyra's > maiden name as Choate? > Gerri > > On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 11:42 PM, <OdieLion@aol.com> wrote: > >> ive always known it to be Elmyra Matthews.. >> ive never heard of the other names  "other  than choate"..  as she >> married >> into the choate  line >> >> >> In a message dated 12/28/2010 12:06:53 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, >>  gerrigoodwin@tds.net writes: >> >> I have  seen Elmyra's maiden name as Gauney, Green & Choate in the work >> of >> different researchers.  I have pretty much ruled those names out  as >> possibilities.  Now I have seen it as ABBOTT.  Has anyone else  seen it >> as >> Abbott?  Does anyone have a good rationale for it being  Abbott?  Thanks >> for >> your  help. >> Gerri >> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/TNFENTRE >> ------------------------------- >> To  unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> TNFENTRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes  in the subject >> and the body of the  message >> >>  http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/TNFENTRE >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> TNFENTRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/TNFENTRE > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TNFENTRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/TNFENTRE ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNFENTRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message       http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/TNFENTRE ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNFENTRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/TNFENTRE ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNFENTRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message       http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/TNFENTRE ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNFENTRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Ron: I don't know anything about Genny's marriage to a Garrett. --- On Wed, 12/29/10, Ronald W. Garrett <rgarret@sugardog.com> wrote: > From: Ronald W. Garrett <rgarret@sugardog.com> > Subject: Re: [TNFENTRE] Descendants of Gail (Cox) Payne > To: tnfentre@rootsweb.com > Date: Wednesday, December 29, 2010, 9:50 PM > Bruce I need to know about her sister > Genny that is married to a Garrett. > Thanks > Ronald Ward Garrett   rgarret@sugardog.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bruce York" <bruceyork1243@yahoo.com> > To: <tnfentre@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 12:57 AM > Subject: [TNFENTRE] Descendants of Gail (Cox) Payne > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Friends: Gail (Cox) Payne died a year ago next > week. If you know > > anything about her, please look at the following and > let me know what I > > might add or correct. Thanks and love, Bruce > > > > Descendants of Gail Cox > > > > > > First Generation > > > > 1. Gail Cox was born on 24 Oct 1961 in , , Tennessee. > She died on 2 Jan > > 2009 in Jamestown, Fentress, Tennessee. She was buried > about 4 Jan 2009. > > > > Obituary in The Fentress Courier 7 Jan 2009 -- Gail > Payne, age 47, of > > Jamestown, passed away Friday, > > January 2, 2009 at her home. Ms. Payne was born > October 24, 1961. Ms. > > Payne is survived by fiancee, > > Ray Hodge; two sons, Zachary and Elijiah Payne; > step-daughter, Tiffany > > Payne; two brothers, Phil Cox > > Junior and David Cox; and three sisters, Genny > Garrett, Betsy Purcell and > > Susie Cox Burnell. My best > > friend and soul mate, I will truly be lost without > you! Heaven needed a > > beautiful angel, so your work here > > is done, smile down on us. You touched so many lives, > we’ll miss you and I > > will always love you. Mundy > > Funeral Home of Jamestown, Tennessee was in charge of > services. > > > > > > Gail married (1) Mike Payne . Mike was born about 1960 > in of Crossville, > > Cumberland, Tennessee. > > > > They had the following children: > > > > 2 M i. Zachary Payne was born about 1979. > > > > 3 M ii. Elijah Payne was born about 1981. > > > > 4 M iii. Kyle Payne was born on 9 Aug 1988 in of > Jamestown, Fentress, > > Tennessee. > > > > Graduation announcement in The Fentress Courier 23 Jul > 2008 -- Army > > Private Kyle > > Payne graduated from 9 weeks of basic training at Fort > Sill, OK on July > > 25, 2008. > > Kyle is a 2007 graduate of York Institute and the son > of Rick and Gail > > Boles of > > Jamestown and Mike Payne of Crossville. > > > > > > > > Gail married (2) Ricky Dennis Boles Senior son of > Arvil Boles and Lois > > Marie Crouch. Ricky was born about 1950 in , , > Tennessee. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/TNFENTRE > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > TNFENTRE-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/TNFENTRE > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNFENTRE-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message

Yes its me Bill! How are the two of you doing? Peggy and I are doing good, she has had 3 cancer surgeries and as of last week is cancer free. Did you know that her daughter Kathie passed away in 2004, Martha's son Rick passed away in 2006 and Dick's son Jimmy passed away in 2009. Ron is doing fine, try to aggrevate him everyday. (grin) Pat ________________________________ From: bill campbell <soup_babe@att.net> To: tnfentre@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, December 30, 2010 7:22:01 PM Subject: Re: [TNFENTRE] Elmyra, wife of Joseph Matthews, b. abt. 1810 hi Pat   are you  Sister to Martha 'Jaynes"  from tn to oh   Bill n Lois 'Reagan' Campbell --- On Fri, 12/31/10, Patricia Jones <fortywink1942@yahoo.com> wrote: From: Patricia Jones <fortywink1942@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [TNFENTRE] Elmyra, wife of Joseph Matthews, b. abt. 1810 To: tnfentre@rootsweb.com Date: Friday, December 31, 2010, 12:13 AM Hi All, I received information on Elmyra from a researcher a few years ago, and if memory serves me right they had her as Stehens. Pat ________________________________ From: Willie R. Beaty <wbeaty@twlakes.net> To: tnfentre@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, December 29, 2010 6:45:26 PM Subject: Re: [TNFENTRE] Elmyra, wife of Joseph Matthews, b. abt. 1810 Gerri, I we probably should be looking for these SURNAMES for Elmyra in either Russell Co KY or Fentress Co TN, as Joseph Sr was living in Russell Co KY in 1810 census. Don't know when Joseph Jr (Elmyra's husband) came to Fentress Co, whether before or after he was married. 1850 and 1860 census has all Joseph Jr's children born in TN, but 1870 and 1880 has Thomas, Mary, Elisha and Jonathan being born in KY and the later ones starting with Nancy, born in TN 1838. This would place Joseph Jr and Elmyra in Ky until about 1836 and in TN by 1838. Chances are, Joseph Jr married in KY before January 1, 1830 and lived there six or more years before moving to TN. So, the SURNAME of Elmyra would logically be someone who came through Russell Co from NC since Elmyra is said to be born in NC. Does this make sense? Willie ----- Original Message ----- From: "gerrigoodwin tds.net" <gerrigoodwin@tds.net> To: <tnfentre@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 3:26 PM Subject: Re: [TNFENTRE] Elmyra, wife of Joseph Matthews, b. abt. 1810 > Odie, > She married into the Matthews line.  Did you mean you had seen Elmyra's > maiden name as Choate? > Gerri > > On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 11:42 PM, <OdieLion@aol.com> wrote: > >> ive always known it to be Elmyra Matthews.. >> ive never heard of the other names  "other  than choate"..  as she >> married >> into the choate  line >> >> >> In a message dated 12/28/2010 12:06:53 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, >>  gerrigoodwin@tds.net writes: >> >> I have  seen Elmyra's maiden name as Gauney, Green & Choate in the work >> of >> different researchers.  I have pretty much ruled those names out  as >> possibilities.  Now I have seen it as ABBOTT.  Has anyone else  seen it >> as >> Abbott?  Does anyone have a good rationale for it being  Abbott?  Thanks >> for >> your  help. >> Gerri >> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/TNFENTRE >> ------------------------------- >> To  unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> TNFENTRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes  in the subject >> and the body of the  message >> >>  http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/TNFENTRE >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> TNFENTRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/TNFENTRE > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TNFENTRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/TNFENTRE ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNFENTRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message       http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/TNFENTRE ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNFENTRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/TNFENTRE ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNFENTRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

hi Pat   are you  Sister to Martha 'Jaynes"  from tn to oh   Bill n Lois 'Reagan' Campbell --- On Fri, 12/31/10, Patricia Jones <fortywink1942@yahoo.com> wrote: From: Patricia Jones <fortywink1942@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [TNFENTRE] Elmyra, wife of Joseph Matthews, b. abt. 1810 To: tnfentre@rootsweb.com Date: Friday, December 31, 2010, 12:13 AM Hi All, I received information on Elmyra from a researcher a few years ago, and if memory serves me right they had her as Stehens. Pat ________________________________ From: Willie R. Beaty <wbeaty@twlakes.net> To: tnfentre@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, December 29, 2010 6:45:26 PM Subject: Re: [TNFENTRE] Elmyra, wife of Joseph Matthews, b. abt. 1810 Gerri, I we probably should be looking for these SURNAMES for Elmyra in either Russell Co KY or Fentress Co TN, as Joseph Sr was living in Russell Co KY in 1810 census. Don't know when Joseph Jr (Elmyra's husband) came to Fentress Co, whether before or after he was married. 1850 and 1860 census has all Joseph Jr's children born in TN, but 1870 and 1880 has Thomas, Mary, Elisha and Jonathan being born in KY and the later ones starting with Nancy, born in TN 1838. This would place Joseph Jr and Elmyra in Ky until about 1836 and in TN by 1838. Chances are, Joseph Jr married in KY before January 1, 1830 and lived there six or more years before moving to TN. So, the SURNAME of Elmyra would logically be someone who came through Russell Co from NC since Elmyra is said to be born in NC. Does this make sense? Willie ----- Original Message ----- From: "gerrigoodwin tds.net" <gerrigoodwin@tds.net> To: <tnfentre@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 3:26 PM Subject: Re: [TNFENTRE] Elmyra, wife of Joseph Matthews, b. abt. 1810 > Odie, > She married into the Matthews line.  Did you mean you had seen Elmyra's > maiden name as Choate? > Gerri > > On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 11:42 PM, <OdieLion@aol.com> wrote: > >> ive always known it to be Elmyra Matthews.. >> ive never heard of the other names  "other  than choate"..  as she >> married >> into the choate  line >> >> >> In a message dated 12/28/2010 12:06:53 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, >>  gerrigoodwin@tds.net writes: >> >> I have  seen Elmyra's maiden name as Gauney, Green & Choate in the work >> of >> different researchers.  I have pretty much ruled those names out  as >> possibilities.  Now I have seen it as ABBOTT.  Has anyone else  seen it >> as >> Abbott?  Does anyone have a good rationale for it being  Abbott?  Thanks >> for >> your  help. >> Gerri >> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/TNFENTRE >> ------------------------------- >> To  unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> TNFENTRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes  in the subject >> and the body of the  message >> >>  http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/TNFENTRE >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> TNFENTRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/TNFENTRE > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TNFENTRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/TNFENTRE ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNFENTRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message       http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/TNFENTRE ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNFENTRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Stan, Sometimes the maiden name of a Grandmother  or GGrandmother can be found in the middle name of the child. Pat ________________________________ From: Stan Arney <arney9thgeneration@yahoo.com> To: tnfentre@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, December 29, 2010 6:03:58 PM Subject: Re: [TNFENTRE] A question about your research - follow up Hi, Please, don't think that I'm biased and completely disregard, the women, in the family. Most of my ancestors, I have been unable to find the maiden names of their wife's, how do you go about finding them? Thank you for your time, consideration, and cooperation, I truly appreciate it. Sincerely, Stan ArneyWichita, KS       http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/TNFENTRE ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNFENTRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi All, I received information on Elmyra from a researcher a few years ago, and if memory serves me right they had her as Stehens. Pat ________________________________ From: Willie R. Beaty <wbeaty@twlakes.net> To: tnfentre@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, December 29, 2010 6:45:26 PM Subject: Re: [TNFENTRE] Elmyra, wife of Joseph Matthews, b. abt. 1810 Gerri, I we probably should be looking for these SURNAMES for Elmyra in either Russell Co KY or Fentress Co TN, as Joseph Sr was living in Russell Co KY in 1810 census. Don't know when Joseph Jr (Elmyra's husband) came to Fentress Co, whether before or after he was married. 1850 and 1860 census has all Joseph Jr's children born in TN, but 1870 and 1880 has Thomas, Mary, Elisha and Jonathan being born in KY and the later ones starting with Nancy, born in TN 1838. This would place Joseph Jr and Elmyra in Ky until about 1836 and in TN by 1838. Chances are, Joseph Jr married in KY before January 1, 1830 and lived there six or more years before moving to TN. So, the SURNAME of Elmyra would logically be someone who came through Russell Co from NC since Elmyra is said to be born in NC. Does this make sense? Willie ----- Original Message ----- From: "gerrigoodwin tds.net" <gerrigoodwin@tds.net> To: <tnfentre@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 3:26 PM Subject: Re: [TNFENTRE] Elmyra, wife of Joseph Matthews, b. abt. 1810 > Odie, > She married into the Matthews line.  Did you mean you had seen Elmyra's > maiden name as Choate? > Gerri > > On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 11:42 PM, <OdieLion@aol.com> wrote: > >> ive always known it to be Elmyra Matthews.. >> ive never heard of the other names  "other  than choate"..  as she >> married >> into the choate  line >> >> >> In a message dated 12/28/2010 12:06:53 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, >>  gerrigoodwin@tds.net writes: >> >> I have  seen Elmyra's maiden name as Gauney, Green & Choate in the work >> of >> different researchers.  I have pretty much ruled those names out  as >> possibilities.  Now I have seen it as ABBOTT.  Has anyone else  seen it >> as >> Abbott?  Does anyone have a good rationale for it being  Abbott?  Thanks >> for >> your  help. >> Gerri >> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/TNFENTRE >> ------------------------------- >> To  unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> TNFENTRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes  in the subject >> and the body of the  message >> >>  http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/TNFENTRE >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> TNFENTRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/TNFENTRE > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TNFENTRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/TNFENTRE ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNFENTRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Willie When I went to the Rotten Fork School back in late 40's and early 50's it was after you turn left and just directly on the right before the church. Marion Leffew donated the property I was told for the school. The people who bought it was Gib (Gilbert ) Long and Queenie Hughes Long. They lived there till they died. Then their son George lived there till he went to a nursing home. He is the one who was shot when the law was after Billy Dean Anderson. George was a teenager then this happened. I believe George was shot by a bullet from Billy's gun and it paralyzed him from the waist down. He was very strong even after this with his arms. I think Gilbert and Queenie only have one child left, Mildred Long and I don't know her married name. Believe she lives in Indiana.The school is across from the COOK farm. Milly WARD Piros My Mind is like Lightning.....One Brilliant flash and pooooooooofffffffff It's gone he message

Hi All   Maybe this might give a clue.   One of my uncle's/ John Raisor married  Elizabeth  CHADWELL,, they named ther 4 child Elzie   ( CHADWELL) Raisor, I have seen in other lines the mothers name is used this way, 1st or middle name   keep diggin   Bill n Lois --- On Thu, 12/30/10, Stan Arney <arney9thgeneration@yahoo.com> wrote: From: Stan Arney <arney9thgeneration@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [TNFENTRE] A question about your research - Anna Bertram - follow up To: tnfentre@rootsweb.com Date: Thursday, December 30, 2010, 10:28 PM Anna, Hi, in reply to your statement, "If you give me a specific example I will try to give you ideas on where to look." Peter Arney, my first ancestor to settle in Tennessee. He was born in 1772, in Tryon County, North Carolina. Between 1790-1793, he moved to the area of Wythe County, Virginia, where he married his wife, Margaret (surname unknown), and began his family. Several of his children were born, in Virginia, even after he went to the Tennessee area. Around 1799, he moved to the Cumberland area, between Kentucky and (what would become) Tennessee. In 1801, he was in Smith County, Tennessee (where his name is on a petition to halt the annexation of Smith & Wilson Counties to form a new county), which obviously failed. In 1802, his name was on the 1802 Tax Roll for Jackson County, Tennessee. In 1814, he purchased 300 acres of land, in Overton County, Tennessee, from John Sevier. In 1820, his name first appears on the 1820 US Federal Census, State of Tennessee, County of Overton (as well as 1830 & 1840). He died in 1845, in Overton County, Tennessee. I have been unable to find any, what I term "DTP" (Definitive Tangible Proof) of Peter Arney, in Wythe County, Virginia.  No marriage records, no birth/baptism records, no tax rolls, no land deals (purchases/sales), etc. The only marriage record, I have ever found, in Wythe County, Virginia, for a Peter Arney, is to a Catherine Fox, in 1827.  My Peter Arney, was already established, in Overton County, Tennessee. Therefore, I have never been able to find anything on his wife, Margaret. What would you suggest? Thank you, for your time, consideration, and cooperation, I truly appreciate it. Sincerely, Stan --- On Thu, 12/30/10, Anna L Bertram <abertram@dtccom.net> wrote: From: Anna L Bertram <abertram@dtccom.net> Subject: [TNFENTRE] A question about your research - follow up To: tnfentre@rootsweb.com Date: Thursday, December 30, 2010, 8:13 AM Stan, If you give me a specific example I will try to give you ideas on where to look. Sincerely, Anna Bertram       http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/TNFENTRE ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNFENTRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I love the input from everyone! I also descend from the Rolf/Pocahantas line. My brick wall is my maternal greatmother who was said to be Cherokee indian. She was married to Joshua Oliver from Hazzard KY. My grandfather Joe Oliver lived in Jamestown TN. He was was married to Vera Delk. Vera's mother was a Patton. Actually, Milly and I are related.   My other brcik wall is my paternal grandfather. My grandfather was James Arthur Eldridge from Cookeville TN. Any help would be appreciated! Ciao, Brenda Kaye Corbett (nee Eldridge) --- On Thu, 12/30/10, Susie Lemin <slemin46@yahoo.com> wrote: From: Susie Lemin <slemin46@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [TNFENTRE] A question about your research To: tnfentre@rootsweb.com Received: Thursday, December 30, 2010, 5:18 PM I understand about the fusteration about brickwalls. I was butting my head on a few until a very nice person by the name of Bruce York  helped me along. Also I was devastated to find out that DNA only showed the male connections. My most rewarding find was  by pure luck. I was working on my husbands Cabell line I see the name Rebecca Pocahantas Bolling.  I thought to myself OH Bother why would some name a child that.  Well I went back and found that she was the great grand daughter of John Rolfe and POCAHANTAS Rebecca Powhanttan. So never skip any names even if they are female. This clued me into not ignoring any female names and that lead me back to Augustin Hermann in Maryland who was not only my husband's ancestor but mine also. The only regrett I have is that Carroll Co. TN doesn't have as good of database that Overton/Fentress Co. have.  My maternal line springs from there Susie McFarland Lemin, Back Home in Texas, "LOVE: is when the happiness of another is essential to your own" Robert Anson Heinlein from the book "TIME ENOUGH FOR LOVE" ----- Original Message ---- From: Stan Arney <arney9thgeneration@yahoo.com> To: tnfentre@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, December 29, 2010 5:00:45 PM Subject: [TNFENTRE] A question about your research I have a Q? for all of you, about your genealogy research. When you began tracing your family surname, did you only concentrate on that surname, therefore only the men, who could carry on the family name? I will be honest, I have never taken a single course or workshop, on the hobby of genealogy.  I never had anyone, sit me down, and show me, step-by-step, just how to go about all of this, the correct way.  I know there is no perfect plan to research your family, but it would have been nice to have some pointers. How did I begin, I asked my paternal grandmother about our family, and she handed me a small sheet of paper with some names on it.  She also told me, I might want to write a distant cousin, whom she knew who was into genealogy, and see what he could tell me.  Well, he sent me a hand-drawn family tree, it wasn’t complete mind you, but it was a great start.  Hey, at least I wasn’t starting from scratch.   I knew my family was basically in Tennessee, so I began looking up some of the names in the US Federal Census microfilm rolls.  Wow, that was a joke, at first no one told me they had index books to check first, so I spent hours rolling through page after page of microfilm, and getting frustrated that a person, next to me, suggested looking in the index books, first. The problem with only using the US Federal Census, is it doesn’t give you the maiden names of any of the wife’s. I began my research back in the mid-1970’s, and I still have so much more to learn, and need to know.  “Brick walls”, as they are know by, in the genealogy community, are the most frustrating.  Especially, when you feel you are all alone, trying to solve that mystery. I only concentrated, on the men, the ones who carried on my family surname, from one generation to the next, disregarding the women, basically altogether. After all, they do not carry on the family surname, so why keep track of them, right? I have come to learn, as this year comes to a close, that my way of thinking, genealogy wise, has been way too narrow.  After all, if I want to know “where do I come from?”  I come from both a father and a mother.  I’m a mix of their blood.  My mother’s family blood is just as much a part of me, as my father’s family blood is.  So, that means my mother’s relatives, are (excuse the expression) relative to genealogy research.  After all, if my mother’s family has Native American blood in them, then so do I, or if my father’s family has Asian American blood in them, then so do I.   There is an added benefit to keeping an eye on, what I call “non-surname carriers” and that is they may lead you to information on a “surname carrier” that you haven’t been able to find. Has anyone else, made this same error of judgment, in their research? Stan ArneyWichita, KS       http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/TNFENTRE ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNFENTRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message       http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/TNFENTRE ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNFENTRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Anna, Hi, in reply to your statement, "If you give me a specific example I will try to give you ideas on where to look." Peter Arney, my first ancestor to settle in Tennessee. He was born in 1772, in Tryon County, North Carolina. Between 1790-1793, he moved to the area of Wythe County, Virginia, where he married his wife, Margaret (surname unknown), and began his family. Several of his children were born, in Virginia, even after he went to the Tennessee area. Around 1799, he moved to the Cumberland area, between Kentucky and (what would become) Tennessee. In 1801, he was in Smith County, Tennessee (where his name is on a petition to halt the annexation of Smith & Wilson Counties to form a new county), which obviously failed. In 1802, his name was on the 1802 Tax Roll for Jackson County, Tennessee. In 1814, he purchased 300 acres of land, in Overton County, Tennessee, from John Sevier. In 1820, his name first appears on the 1820 US Federal Census, State of Tennessee, County of Overton (as well as 1830 & 1840). He died in 1845, in Overton County, Tennessee. I have been unable to find any, what I term "DTP" (Definitive Tangible Proof) of Peter Arney, in Wythe County, Virginia.  No marriage records, no birth/baptism records, no tax rolls, no land deals (purchases/sales), etc. The only marriage record, I have ever found, in Wythe County, Virginia, for a Peter Arney, is to a Catherine Fox, in 1827.  My Peter Arney, was already established, in Overton County, Tennessee. Therefore, I have never been able to find anything on his wife, Margaret. What would you suggest? Thank you, for your time, consideration, and cooperation, I truly appreciate it. Sincerely, Stan --- On Thu, 12/30/10, Anna L Bertram <abertram@dtccom.net> wrote: From: Anna L Bertram <abertram@dtccom.net> Subject: [TNFENTRE] A question about your research - follow up To: tnfentre@rootsweb.com Date: Thursday, December 30, 2010, 8:13 AM Stan, If you give me a specific example I will try to give you ideas on where to look. Sincerely, Anna Bertram

I understand about the fusteration about brickwalls. I was butting my head on a few until a very nice person by the name of Bruce York  helped me along. Also I was devastated to find out that DNA only showed the male connections. My most rewarding find was  by pure luck. I was working on my husbands Cabell line I see the name Rebecca Pocahantas Bolling.  I thought to myself OH Bother why would some name a child that.  Well I went back and found that she was the great grand daughter of John Rolfe and POCAHANTAS Rebecca Powhanttan. So never skip any names even if they are female. This clued me into not ignoring any female names and that lead me back to Augustin Hermann in Maryland who was not only my husband's ancestor but mine also. The only regrett I have is that Carroll Co. TN doesn't have as good of database that Overton/Fentress Co. have.  My maternal line springs from there Susie McFarland Lemin, Back Home in Texas, "LOVE: is when the happiness of another is essential to your own" Robert Anson Heinlein from the book "TIME ENOUGH FOR LOVE" ----- Original Message ---- From: Stan Arney <arney9thgeneration@yahoo.com> To: tnfentre@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, December 29, 2010 5:00:45 PM Subject: [TNFENTRE] A question about your research I have a Q? for all of you, about your genealogy research. When you began tracing your family surname, did you only concentrate on that surname, therefore only the men, who could carry on the family name? I will be honest, I have never taken a single course or workshop, on the hobby of genealogy.  I never had anyone, sit me down, and show me, step-by-step, just how to go about all of this, the correct way.  I know there is no perfect plan to research your family, but it would have been nice to have some pointers. How did I begin, I asked my paternal grandmother about our family, and she handed me a small sheet of paper with some names on it.  She also told me, I might want to write a distant cousin, whom she knew who was into genealogy, and see what he could tell me.  Well, he sent me a hand-drawn family tree, it wasn’t complete mind you, but it was a great start.  Hey, at least I wasn’t starting from scratch.   I knew my family was basically in Tennessee, so I began looking up some of the names in the US Federal Census microfilm rolls.  Wow, that was a joke, at first no one told me they had index books to check first, so I spent hours rolling through page after page of microfilm, and getting frustrated that a person, next to me, suggested looking in the index books, first. The problem with only using the US Federal Census, is it doesn’t give you the maiden names of any of the wife’s. I began my research back in the mid-1970’s, and I still have so much more to learn, and need to know.  “Brick walls”, as they are know by, in the genealogy community, are the most frustrating.  Especially, when you feel you are all alone, trying to solve that mystery. I only concentrated, on the men, the ones who carried on my family surname, from one generation to the next, disregarding the women, basically altogether. After all, they do not carry on the family surname, so why keep track of them, right? I have come to learn, as this year comes to a close, that my way of thinking, genealogy wise, has been way too narrow.  After all, if I want to know “where do I come from?”  I come from both a father and a mother.  I’m a mix of their blood.  My mother’s family blood is just as much a part of me, as my father’s family blood is.  So, that means my mother’s relatives, are (excuse the expression) relative to genealogy research.  After all, if my mother’s family has Native American blood in them, then so do I, or if my father’s family has Asian American blood in them, then so do I.   There is an added benefit to keeping an eye on, what I call “non-surname carriers” and that is they may lead you to information on a “surname carrier” that you haven’t been able to find. Has anyone else, made this same error of judgment, in their research? Stan ArneyWichita, KS       http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/TNFENTRE ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNFENTRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Willie No I don't know where that place is. I do however remember hearing of my Uncle Marion Leffew having a coal mine on his property. When I was about 10 I stayed with them again. There was a lumber company on his property. He advised us kids to stay away from it...which was wrong. That was the first thing we did was go to the lumber yard...We took turns on a huge long pole and swung across this gigantic saw blade. If we would have fallen we would have been sliced in two...The school with our teacher Miss Edith Pile and my cousin Willard Leffew took us up to the top of Hossey Cliff. It is at the back of the Leffew place...now owned by a YORK but can't remember which. Willard took his shotgun with him and on the way back there was a rattlesnake laying in a dry creek bed. It started rattling and Willard shot it. I'm just wondering if maybe it was up that way. On my web site http://www.geocities.ws/millyella/fentressco4.html the old church is that URL. If you look to the right you can see Hossey Cliff. The church is also in the Fentress County Pictorial History on page 127. Then on page 129 there are a couple of pictures with train tracks. I have never seen tracks near where I was born in Rotten's Fork. There are a couple of other intresting sites but I really didn't find anything... http://travelingluck.com/North+America/United+States/Tennessee/_4636214_Leff ew+Mine.html#local_m http://books.google.com/books?id=gur61N9r92cC&pg=PA59&lpg=PA59&dq=wolf+lumbe r+company+at+rotten+fork+tn&source=bl&ots=xdngNn9_7s&sig=hwvfbol2ZaptZiP8s7y X_UVZXg4&hl=en&ei=ecccTa7DI4O78gaDt_i9Dg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnu m=5&sqi=2&ved=0CDIQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q&f=false Milly WARD Piros My Mind is like Lightning.....One Brilliant flash and pooooooooofffffffff It's gone

Milly, The Lumber Camp that my grandfather lived in was about a mile up the road from the Rottens Fork Church. Going towards Rottens Fork, you turn left and pass the church, cross the creek and drive on the left side of the creek about a mile and cross the creek again. The old lumber camp was in the bottom on the left as you cross the creek the second time. The Rottens Fork school used to be right by the little bridge. There is also a big spring not far from there, where the camp and school got their water. I think the land is now owned by a Patton or possibly a Williams. The man is a coach or teacher at YAI now, having moved back here from up North a few years ago. Hossey Cliff is to the South of the lumber camp site. Willie ----- Original Message ----- From: <MPiros1120@aol.com> To: <tnfentre@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 1:14 PM Subject: Re: [TNFENTRE] Head O Wolf Lumber Camp > Willie > > No I don't know where that place is. I do however remember hearing of my > Uncle Marion Leffew having a coal mine on his property. When I was about > 10 > I stayed with them again. There was a lumber company on his property. He > advised us kids to stay away from it...which was wrong. That was the first > thing we did was go to the lumber yard...We took turns on a huge long > pole and > swung across this gigantic saw blade. If we would have fallen we would > have been sliced in two...The school with our teacher Miss Edith Pile and > my > cousin Willard Leffew took us up to the top of Hossey Cliff. It is at the > back of the Leffew place...now owned by a YORK but can't remember which. > Willard took his shotgun with him and on the way back there was a > rattlesnake > laying in a dry creek bed. It started rattling and Willard shot it. I'm > just wondering if maybe it was up that way. > > On my web site > > http://www.geocities.ws/millyella/fentressco4.html > > the old church is that URL. If you look to the right you can see Hossey > Cliff. The church is also in the Fentress County Pictorial History on page > 127. Then on page 129 there are a couple of pictures with train tracks. I > have > never seen tracks near where I was born in Rotten's Fork. > > There are a couple of other intresting sites but I really didn't find > anything... > > http://travelingluck.com/North+America/United+States/Tennessee/_4636214_Leff > ew+Mine.html#local_m > > http://books.google.com/books?id=gur61N9r92cC&pg=PA59&lpg=PA59&dq=wolf+lumbe > r+company+at+rotten+fork+tn&source=bl&ots=xdngNn9_7s&sig=hwvfbol2ZaptZiP8s7y > X_UVZXg4&hl=en&ei=ecccTa7DI4O78gaDt_i9Dg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnu > m=5&sqi=2&ved=0CDIQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q&f=false > > Milly WARD Piros > My Mind is like Lightning.....One Brilliant flash and pooooooooofffffffff > It's gone > > > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/TNFENTRE > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TNFENTRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Milly, I want to wish you a happy New Years, also thank you for all your work for the list. Joe Crabtree

I love your idea about adding the married names in parenthesis for the unknowns Anna, I'll be borrowing that one! ;) Joyce R. > From: abertram@dtccom.net > To: tnfentre@rootsweb.com > Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 08:13:35 -0600 > Subject: [TNFENTRE] A question about your research - follow up > > Stan, > > Sometimes I find the marriage record, or sometimes the maiden name is on a tombstone, in a parents' Last Will & Testament, Bible records, a surname passed down as a given name in the family, a census record that shows a household with an in-law in it, maybe a neighbor always present throughout moves, Death Certificates, and oral family traditions. If her given name is fairly uncommon in a given area I will hunt for her line by line in the census immediately prior to her marriage. Most of the time the maiden name will be found but occasionally it will not. In those cases when I am entering the female's given name in my data base I will add her married name in parenthesis. This makes it easier to find on the index. I will remove the name in parenthesis when I find the correct maiden name for her. > > If you give me a specific example I will try to give you ideas on where to look. > > Sincerely, > Anna Bertram > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Stan Arney > To: tnfentre@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 5:03 PM > Subject: Re: [TNFENTRE] A question about your research - follow up > > > Hi, > > Please, don't think that I'm biased and completely disregard, the women, in the family. > > Most of my ancestors, I have been unable to find the maiden names of their wife's, how do you go about finding them? > > Thank you for your time, consideration, and cooperation, I truly appreciate it. > > Sincerely, > > Stan ArneyWichita, KS > > > > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/TNFENTRE > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNFENTRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/TNFENTRE > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNFENTRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Anna & Stan: I've sometimes mentally "driven down the road" where the census was taken to try to find a family I was certain was in a community and lived on a specific road.  By doing that, I've found several people where the census taker's handwriting was misinterpreted in Ancestry or other places.  I've also found people by looking at neighbors.  A lot of times a family would move to an area, find a good job, and let other friends and family know about the jobs.  Then they move near the original person.  Coalfield's mining camps are a good example of that type of situation. Sometimes a son or daughter is given the mother's maiden name as a first or second name. An example is Whetson, the son's second name and the grandmother's maiden name.  There were Whetsons living in the neighborhood, too.  Of course that doesn't guarantee the maiden name, but it gives you another place to look. Judy   The May Sexton McGlothin Foundation is now online at maymcglothin.org!  Keeping the dream alive! Laus Deo ----- Original Message ---- From: Anna L Bertram <abertram@dtccom.net> To: tnfentre@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, December 30, 2010 9:13:35 AM Subject: [TNFENTRE] A question about your research - follow up Stan, Sometimes I find the marriage record, or sometimes the maiden name is on a tombstone, in a parents' Last Will & Testament, Bible records, a surname passed down as a given name in the family, a census record that shows a household with an in-law in it, maybe a neighbor always present throughout moves, Death Certificates, and oral family traditions. If her given name is fairly uncommon in a given area I will hunt for her line by line in the census immediately prior to her marriage. Most of the time the maiden name will be found but occasionally it will not. In those cases when I am entering the female's given name in my data base I will add her married name in parenthesis. This makes it easier to find on the index. I will remove the name in parenthesis when I find the correct maiden name for her. If you give me a specific example I will try to give you ideas on where to look. Sincerely, Anna Bertram   ----- Original Message -----   From: Stan Arney   To: tnfentre@rootsweb.com   Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 5:03 PM   Subject: Re: [TNFENTRE] A question about your research - follow up   Hi,   Please, don't think that I'm biased and completely disregard, the women, in the family.   Most of my ancestors, I have been unable to find the maiden names of their wife's, how do you go about finding them?   Thank you for your time, consideration, and cooperation, I truly appreciate it.   Sincerely,   Stan ArneyWichita, KS           http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/TNFENTRE   -------------------------------   To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNFENTRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/TNFENTRE ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNFENTRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Stan I started asking questions in 1960 but after getting married and many years passed I didn't partake in genealogy very much. But 13 years ago my husband died and I needed something to fill my void...So genealogy was my fill and still is. I already knew my mother's parents names. Both of them. I did ask my Grandpa WARD who his parents were and that was my beginning on the Ward side. However I can't get past 1850 as there were so many with that surname and given name. I still have the letter he answered giving me the names. My brick wall is my father's sister ELLEN WARD BOWLIN BROWN. I have her death date but no surname in his Bible just Ward. So I don't know if she was a BROWN when she died in 1939. In 1850 my great great grandpa was listed as JAHELA WARD and someone dechipered his wife's name as SIRENE . Her name was SARY or SARAH. Maybe one day I can find more. Her maiden name was HENDERSON. I belong to ancestry.com. I pay by the month can't afford a big payment all at once. There is another place where you can get some info and the census records for FREE. It is called HERTIAGEQUEST. If your library has it and you have a card, you can access it from your home using the card. The actual census records are there as well as ancestry. Familysearch.org is a fairly good place to search too and they are adding things all the time. It is run by the LDS or Mormons. If you are at a brick wall with something maybe post it and we may be able to help. Happy searching. If anyone else has something to add to my letter please do so Milly WARD Piros My Mind is like Lightning.....One Brilliant flash and pooooooooofffffffff It's gone

Milly, Do you have any information or pictures on the Head O Wolf Lumber Camp that was run in Wolf River by Tennessee Stave and Lumber Company? I would love to have details about the camp and some good quality pictures. I found out about three years before my mother's death that she lived in that camp when she was a little girl. My grandfather, Henry York, got his foot crushed trying to board one of the rail cars while it was moving. He was an employee of the railroad. Would dearly love to have a photo of the trains that took the logs and lumber out of the valley via an incline. The camp was at Rottens Fork, but I haven't been able to identify the exact location of the incline. Willie