That's funny, Milly! I finally accessed two pictures of Dr. Joel Fox Bertram on Ancestry.com using your method - and they were both submitted by me! I had sent the one from the Bertram book to Robert but had forgotten I had the other one. I'll send it to him now too. We're still puzzled about where to locate the one of Dr. Joel on his horse! Thanks again Milly! Anna Bertram

Anna I have FENTRESS COUNTY HISTORY AS I REVIEWED IT - 1987 I do not find a picture of a Dr. Bertram, there is a picture of Maude Bertram made about 1925. Wilma

Bill, That is sad. I was pretty certain it was in book II, FENTRESS COUNTY HISTORY AS I REVIEWED IT - 1987. Thanks so much for looking though. Anna Bertram ----- Original Message ----- From: bill campbell Sorry to dash cold water,, we have 8 of her books 1st to 8 an no pict could i find of dr. bertram m.d . of any kind; sorry bill n lois

Milly, That's the right one! As usual you're a step ahead of us! I have Ancestry.com but can't find a picture of Dr. Joel Fox Bertram using the search engine. How may I access it, or what are the steps? Thanks so much! You're always a help! Anna Bertram ----- Original Message ----- From: MPiros1120@aol.com Hi Anna If you have ancestry there is a picture of Dr Joel Fox Bertram there. I thought I'd check there. If you don't have ancestry.com I can send it to you Born 26 Sept 1848 Wayne Co KY Died 25 April 1926 West Fork Overton TN Milly WARD Piros

Thanks so much Milly, but Robert saw the picture in one of Wilma's books when he was at the Mundy Funeral home in the 1980s so it has to be in one of the earlier ones. Robert's mother had supplied the picture used in the book, then given it to Robert before his house burned. My guess is that it is in the 2nd book, FENTRESS COUNTY HISTORY AS I REVIEWED IT - 1987, because Robert could not remember the title, just that it was about Fentress County history. Anna ----- Original Message ----- From: MPiros1120@aol.com Anna wrote{{{The first 4 books were: LITTLE CRAB AS I KNEW IT - 1986 FENTRESS COUNTY HISTORY AS I REVIEWED IT - 1987 LOCAL HISTORY AS I PURSUED IT - 1988 HILL COUNTRY HISTORY AS I RESCUED IT - 1989 ==================================================================== These are the ones I have. I skimmed through and I did not find Dr Joel Fox Bertram Treasured Moments Book No VII 1992 Journey Down Memory Lane Book IX 1994 Our Upper Cumberland Heritage Book No. VIII 1993 Local History No VI 1991 I also skimmed through Pictorial History Book also The big book and nothing..so far

Hi Anna If you have ancestry there is a picture of Dr Joel Fox Bertram there. I thought I'd check there. If you don't have ancestry.com I can send it to you Born 26 Sept 1848 Wayne Co KY Died 25 April 1926 West Fork Overton TN Milly WARD Piros My Mind is like Lightning.....One Brilliant flash and pooooooooofffffffff It's gone

Anna wrote{{{The first 4 books were: LITTLE CRAB AS I KNEW IT - 1986 FENTRESS COUNTY HISTORY AS I REVIEWED IT - 1987 LOCAL HISTORY AS I PURSUED IT - 1988 HILL COUNTRY HISTORY AS I RESCUED IT - 1989 ==================================================================== These are the ones I have. I skimmed through and I did not find Dr Joel Fox Bertram Treasured Moments Book No VII 1992 Journey Down Memory Lane Book IX 1994 Our Upper Cumberland Heritage Book No. VIII 1993 Local History No VI 1991 I also skimmed through Pictorial History Book also The big book and nothing..so far Milly WARD Piros My Mind is like Lightning.....One Brilliant flash and pooooooooofffffffff It's gone

----- Original Message ----- From: "bill campbell" <soup_babe@att.net> To: "Fentress County" <TNFENTRE@rootsweb.com>; <tnoverto@rootsweb.com>; "pickett county" <tnpicket@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 6:42 AM Subject: [TNFENTRE] beaty pict from wilmas book hi all in wilmas book 4--1989, there is a pick of tinker dave Beaty sisters Charlotte Beaty Stephens ---B-1824 and Elizabeth Beaty Stephena b-1826 Lois ggran mother was Lucy Catherine Beaty md Joel Lindsey Reagan Bill n Lois http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/TNFENTRE ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNFENTRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

"Nancy COPE was full-blooded Cherokee Indian..."? My data records her as Joshua Sr's 1st cousin as well as his wife. Jackie Ashley PACE The Woodlands, TX http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=ashley42&id=I01199 https://www.familytreedna.com/public/GarrettDNAproject/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stan Arney" <arney9thgeneration@yahoo.com> To: <tnfentre@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 3:56 PM Subject: [TNFENTRE] Wives of Joshua Winchester Dock GARRETT Hi, Following two themes, tracing female ancestors, and Native American ancestors. Joshua Winchester "Dock" GARRETT Born: 20 March 1844 Died: 10 October 1925 His first wife was, Mary "Polly" Ann KIRK Born: 12 November 1850 Died: 16 September 1886 His second wife was, Mary "Pollie" Sue PATRICK Born: 18 March 1868 Died: 26 January 1942 Joshua Winchester "Dock" GARRETT's parents were: Joshua Bernard GARRETT Born: 1805 Died: 1848 Nancy COPE Born: 1805 Died: 1851 Nancy COPE was full-blooded Cherokee Indian, making Joshua Winchester "Dock" GARRETT, 1/2 blooded Cherokee Indian. Joshua Winchester "Dock" GARRETT's 1st wife, Mary "Polly" Ann KIRK, was also 1/2 blooded Cherokee Indian. Joshua Winchester "Dock" GARRETT's 2nd wife, Mary "Pollie" Sue PATRICK, was full-blooded Cherokee Indian. Mary "Pollie" Sue PATRICK, her parents and grandparents, escaped from the "Trail of Tears", as they were on the route. They were members of the "Paint" clan. They hid out in the area SW of McMinnville, Tennessee. Her parents never took a "white man's name", they retained their Cherokee names, and died when she was 12 years old. She was taken in by a family of KIRKPATRICK's, in Clay County, Tennessee, and raised by them. She took the name Mary PATRICK, so she only used part of the KIRKPATRICK's name. When she married Joshua Winchester "Dock" GARRETT, he changed her name to Mary "Pollie Sue" GARRETT. He called her, "Pollie", as he did his first wife. Pollie Sue was a mid-wife, who delivered many children. Joshua Winchester "Dock" GARRETT was a "Medicine Man", which is why people called him, "Dock". So, how do I trace these women's ancestry? How do I find out more information, about Joshua Winchester GARRETT's mother, Nancy COPE? How do I find out more information about Joshua Winchester GARRETT, as far as his Cherokee heritage? Was he considered a "Native American" or "Cherokee Indian"? How do I find out more about Mary "Polly Ann" KIRK? Mary "Pollie Sue" PATRICK? Is there anyone, researching this particular line? Thank you for your time, consideration, and cooperation, I truly appreciate it. Sincerely, Stan Arney Wichita, KS http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/TNFENTRE ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNFENTRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 12219 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message

Robert lost his pictures and family Bibles in a house fire. He is trying to replace a picture of his ancestor, Dr. Joel Fox Bertram, seated on horseback while holding his medicine bag. A copy of it is in one of Wilma Pinckley's early books. I have the later books, but not the first four. If you have one of the following books please look in it to see if you can find the picture he is hoping to replace. The first 4 books were: LITTLE CRAB AS I KNEW IT - 1986 FENTRESS COUNTY HISTORY AS I REVIEWED IT - 1987 LOCAL HISTORY AS I PURSUED IT - 1988 HILL COUNTRY HISTORY AS I RESCUED IT - 1989 Thanks everyone for your help with this! I hope one of us can make this a really good New Year's Day for Robert! Anna Bertram

Sorry to dash cold water,, we have  8 of  her books  1st to 8   an no pict could i find of dr. bertram m.d .  of any kind;   sorry   bill n lois --- On Sat, 1/1/11, Anna L Bertram <abertram@dtccom.net> wrote: From: Anna L Bertram <abertram@dtccom.net> Subject: [TNFENTRE] Dr. Joel Fox Bertram picture To: TNPICKET-L@rootsweb.com, "TNFENTRE" <tnfentre@rootsweb.com> Date: Saturday, January 1, 2011, 10:59 PM Robert lost his pictures and family Bibles in a house fire. He is trying to replace a picture of his ancestor, Dr. Joel Fox Bertram, seated on horseback while holding his medicine bag. A copy of it is in one of Wilma Pinckley's early books. I have the later books, but not the first four. If you have one of the following books please look in it to see if you can find the picture he is hoping to replace. The first 4 books were: LITTLE CRAB AS I KNEW IT - 1986 FENTRESS COUNTY HISTORY AS I REVIEWED IT - 1987 LOCAL HISTORY AS I PURSUED IT - 1988 HILL COUNTRY HISTORY AS I RESCUED IT - 1989 Thanks everyone for your help with this! I hope one of us can make this a really good New Year's Day for Robert! Anna Bertram http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/TNFENTRE ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNFENTRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, Following two themes, tracing female ancestors, and Native American ancestors. Joshua Winchester "Dock" GARRETT Born:  20 March 1844     Died:  10 October 1925 His first wife was, Mary "Polly" Ann KIRK Born:  12 November 1850     Died:  16 September 1886 His second wife was, Mary "Pollie" Sue PATRICK Born:  18 March 1868     Died:  26 January 1942 Joshua Winchester "Dock" GARRETT's parents were: Joshua Bernard GARRETT Born:  1805     Died:  1848 Nancy COPE Born:  1805     Died:  1851 Nancy COPE was full-blooded Cherokee Indian, making Joshua Winchester "Dock" GARRETT, 1/2 blooded Cherokee Indian. Joshua Winchester "Dock" GARRETT's 1st wife, Mary "Polly" Ann KIRK, was also 1/2 blooded Cherokee Indian. Joshua Winchester "Dock" GARRETT's 2nd wife, Mary "Pollie" Sue PATRICK, was full-blooded Cherokee Indian. Mary "Pollie" Sue PATRICK, her parents and grandparents, escaped from the "Trail of Tears", as they were on the route.  They were members of the "Paint" clan.  They hid out in the area SW of McMinnville, Tennessee.  Her parents never took a "white man's name", they retained their Cherokee names, and died when she was 12 years old.  She was taken in by a family of KIRKPATRICK's, in Clay County, Tennessee, and raised by them.  She took the name Mary PATRICK, so she only used part of the KIRKPATRICK's name.  When she married Joshua Winchester "Dock" GARRETT, he changed her name to Mary "Pollie Sue" GARRETT.  He called her, "Pollie", as he did his first wife.  Pollie Sue was a mid-wife, who delivered many children.  Joshua Winchester "Dock" GARRETT was a "Medicine Man", which is why people called him, "Dock". So, how do I trace these women's ancestry? How do I find out more information, about Joshua Winchester GARRETT's mother, Nancy COPE? How do I find out more information about Joshua Winchester GARRETT, as far as his Cherokee heritage?  Was he considered a "Native American" or "Cherokee Indian"? How do I find out more about Mary "Polly Ann" KIRK?  Mary "Pollie Sue" PATRICK? Is there anyone, researching this particular line? Thank you for your time, consideration, and cooperation, I truly appreciate it. Sincerely, Stan Arney Wichita, KS

in wilmas book6--1991  one  a pict of David Bates Bertram  the  son of Dr.Bill Bertram  on a horse   pict made abt1898--  his wife(not Pictured)  Daisy Burgress,,  there is more info.   Bill n Lois --- On Sat, 1/1/11, bill campbell <soup_babe@att.net> wrote: From: bill campbell <soup_babe@att.net> Subject: Re: [TNFENTRE] Dr. Joel Fox Bertram, also Nancy Davis Bertram To: tnfentre@rootsweb.com Date: Saturday, January 1, 2011, 2:16 PM hi all   in wilmas book 1986 pp 13 there is a (head shot)  of Dr.J.Claude Bertram  teacher at Little Crab school  abt 1915---- no horse   bill n Lois   Happy New Year --- On Sat, 1/1/11, Anna L Bertram <abertram@dtccom.net> wrote: From: Anna L Bertram <abertram@dtccom.net> Subject: [TNFENTRE] Dr. Joel Fox Bertram, also Nancy Davis Bertram To: "TNFENTRE" <tnfentre@rootsweb.com>, Munciebertram@aol.com Date: Saturday, January 1, 2011, 1:41 AM Robert, It appears Wilma Pinckley published 9 books, of which I have the last 5. So far in skimming through them I have not found the picture of Dr. Joel Fox Bertram on horseback. The first 4 books were LITTLE CRAB AS I KNEW IT, FENTRESS COUNTY HISTORY AS I REVIEWED IT, LOCAL HISTORY AS I PURSUED IT, and HILL COUNTRY HISTORY AS I RESCUED IT. I'm forwarding your note to the Fentress County TN email list to see if anyone else can help you. Anna   ----- Original Message -----   From: Munciebertram@aol.com   To: abertram@dtccom.net   Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 2:08 PM   Subject: Re:photoof Joel fox Bertram on horse   Anna ,                I Am Sorry I dont know what book it was it in. I saw it in her book at Mundy's Funeral home in Jamestown TN.back in the 90's. She got the photo for her book from my mother and it was pass down to me when she pass away . We had a fire about a year ago and all my photo's where lost and I am just getting started rebuilding my family tree.    Do you know the names of ( Nancy Davis-Born 1829) parents who married William Henry Butram In 1855 Wayne co.Ky ? I had their names in mom old Bible and lost that too. I know her parents lived around or in Wayne co. Her father was born in VA. and Her mother was born in NC, But that all I can remember.   Thanks  Robert http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/TNFENTRE ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNFENTRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/TNFENTRE ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNFENTRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Pat, Yes, address is the same: 2495 Livingston Highway Jamestown 38556 Thanks! Willie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patricia Jones" <fortywink1942@yahoo.com> To: <TNFENTRE@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 10:08 AM Subject: [TNFENTRE] Beaty > Willie, > A couple of years ago, told you I had some info. on the Beatys here in NC. > Found > them and would like to put them in mail to you, is your address the same? > > Sorry, but guess it is better late than never. > Pat > > > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/TNFENTRE > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TNFENTRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Willie, A couple of years ago, told you I had some info. on the Beatys here in NC. Found them and would like to put them in mail to you, is your address the same? Sorry, but guess it is better late than never. Pat

Gerri, Found only one sheet of information, know I have more as some of them had a couple of photos. Also I have copied Joseph & Elmira Matthews, do not have the name Stephens with it. You probably already have this, Jesse Wood Matthews b. 08 Aug. 1854 Manson, Fentress Co. Tn d. 23 Mar 1924, son of Joseph & Elmira Matthews. Married Salina Leeann Green on 22 Apr 1874 Manson, she was b. 06 Nov 1858 Manson, d. 22 Apr 1919, daughter of Newton & Sarah (Fite) Green. Children: Sarah C. Matthews b. abt. 1875 Fentress Co. Easter Catherin Matthews b. 12 Mar1877 d. 29 Apr 1919 Fentress, married Wm. David Jaynes she is buried King Cem. Wm. Thomas Matthews b. 01 Apr 1879 Fentress d. 08 Apr 1950, married Lydia Catherin Cooper buried King Cem. Belle Matthews b. 08 Apr 1881 d. 10 Nov 1903 TN Jasper N. Matthews b. 01 July 1883 married Rosetta King Victoria Matthews  b. 13 July 1885 Manson d. 16 Oct 1972 married David Smith Samuel Wolford Matthews b. 04 Apr 1888 d. July 1971 Overton James Cleveland Matthews b. 06 Oct 1892 Manson d. 01 July 1958 Fentress married Cora Belle Cooper Lissy Jane Matthews b. 01 Apr 1895 Manson Matilda "Tiddy" Clementine Matthews b. 18 Oct 1898 Manson, married Wm. Walter Cooper Source of information Clara Dennis, Federal Census & Cem. Bks., 1860 shows Salina as Saloma L.A. age 9 Hope this is some help and will keep looking for the other information. Pat   ________________________________ From: gerrigoodwin tds.net <gerrigoodwin@tds.net> To: tnfentre@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, December 30, 2010 9:49:51 PM Subject: Re: [TNFENTRE] Elmyra, wife of Joseph Matthews, b. abt. 1810 Pat, Did you mean Stephens?  Do you remember who the researcher was?  I'd like to get in touch with him/her.  Thanks. Gerri On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 6:13 PM, Patricia Jones <fortywink1942@yahoo.com>wrote: > Hi All, > I received information on Elmyra from a researcher a few years ago, and if > memory serves me right they had her as Stehens. > > Pat > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Willie R. Beaty <wbeaty@twlakes.net> > To: tnfentre@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wed, December 29, 2010 6:45:26 PM >  Subject: Re: [TNFENTRE] Elmyra, wife of Joseph Matthews, b. abt. 1810 > > Gerri, > > I we probably should be looking for these SURNAMES for Elmyra in either > Russell Co KY or Fentress Co TN, as Joseph Sr was living in Russell Co KY > in > 1810 census. Don't know when Joseph Jr (Elmyra's husband) came to Fentress > Co, whether before or after he was married. > > 1850 and 1860 census has all Joseph Jr's children born in TN, but 1870 and > 1880 has Thomas, Mary, Elisha and Jonathan being born in KY and the later > ones starting with Nancy, born in TN 1838. This would place Joseph Jr and > Elmyra in Ky until about 1836 and in TN by 1838. Chances are, Joseph Jr > married in KY before January 1, 1830 and lived there six or more years > before moving to TN. So, the SURNAME of Elmyra would logically be someone > who came through Russell Co from NC since Elmyra is said to be born in NC. > > Does this make sense? > > Willie > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "gerrigoodwin tds.net" <gerrigoodwin@tds.net> > To: <tnfentre@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 3:26 PM > Subject: Re: [TNFENTRE] Elmyra, wife of Joseph Matthews, b. abt. 1810 > > > > Odie, > > She married into the Matthews line.  Did you mean you had seen Elmyra's > > maiden name as Choate? > > Gerri > > > > On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 11:42 PM, <OdieLion@aol.com> wrote: > > > >> ive always known it to be Elmyra Matthews.. > >> ive never heard of the other names  "other  than choate"..  as she > >> married > >> into the choate  line > >> > >> > >> In a message dated 12/28/2010 12:06:53 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > >>  gerrigoodwin@tds.net writes: > >> > >> I have  seen Elmyra's maiden name as Gauney, Green & Choate in the work > >> of > >> different researchers.  I have pretty much ruled those names out  as > >> possibilities.  Now I have seen it as ABBOTT.  Has anyone else  seen it > >> as > >> Abbott?  Does anyone have a good rationale for it being  Abbott?  Thanks > >> for > >> your  help. > >> Gerri > >> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/TNFENTRE > >> ------------------------------- > >> To  unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> TNFENTRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes  in the subject > >> and the body of the  message > >> > >>  http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/TNFENTRE > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> TNFENTRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/TNFENTRE > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > TNFENTRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/TNFENTRE > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TNFENTRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > > > >  http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/TNFENTRE > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TNFENTRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/TNFENTRE ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNFENTRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi All   This a good one for you Willie   In wilmas book  # 7  the pict of--Bates Bertram son of Dr.William bertram  an Mary Ann Beaty  a some kids--- pict made abt 1893   Wilma  dont know what line of Beaty's from, belieave the y lived   Shatter-Red Hill near Dry Creek Area   Bill n Lois

P.S. My Tinker was born 1866 in Byrdstown, TN...died 1942 in Haskell, TX! ---- bewitty@cox.net wrote: > I have a Tinker Dave Guffy - anyone know of him? ---- bill campbell <soup_babe@att.net> wrote: > hi all > in wilmas book 4--1989, > there is a pick of tinker dave Beaty sisters > Charlotte Beaty Stephens  ---B-1824   and > Elizabeth Beaty Stephena  b-1826 >   > Lois ggran mother was Lucy Catherine Beaty md Joel Lindsey Reagan >   > Bill n Lois > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/TNFENTRE > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNFENTRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/TNFENTRE ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNFENTRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have a Tinker Dave Guffy - anyone know of him? ---- bill campbell <soup_babe@att.net> wrote: > hi all > in wilmas book 4--1989, > there is a pick of tinker dave Beaty sisters > Charlotte Beaty Stephens  ---B-1824   and > Elizabeth Beaty Stephena  b-1826 >   > Lois ggran mother was Lucy Catherine Beaty md Joel Lindsey Reagan >   > Bill n Lois > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/TNFENTRE > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNFENTRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

hi all in wilmas book 4--1989, there is a pick of tinker dave Beaty sisters Charlotte Beaty Stephens  ---B-1824   and Elizabeth Beaty Stephena  b-1826   Lois ggran mother was Lucy Catherine Beaty md Joel Lindsey Reagan   Bill n Lois