Ron, I'm sorry that you can't open the file. Ron, I have had trouble sending GEDCOM files before. One time it works, and another it doesn't. And I can't figure out what I'm doing that is different. At any rate, I will be glad to send you hard copy of what I have on Raccoon John Smith if you will give me your mailing address. I don't think the fault is your FTM program. It's my own, for not being that good with my own program. Willie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Smith" <rsmith0127@yahoo.com> To: <TNFENTRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2005 1:18 PM Subject: [TNFENTRE-L] Fentress Co Smith Y-DNA Project > Willie, > Yes, I did get your information but, I couldn't open it for some reason. > My FTM software is V7, so I'm sure it should be up-to-date. I've been > working on trying to get it open for a few days now. Is it a normal > GEDCOM file? It isn't one of those renegade files, is it? ;o) > > Conley M. Beaty is the son of Virgil Beaty and was born in 1942. He > lives in Crossville, TN with his wife. He loves to attend family reunions > and brings his guitar for some "pickin' & grinnin'" with the rest of the > gang. I'll send you his address and phone number with a picture of him > and his wife. When mom makes her spring pilgrimages to TN from OH, she > usually looks Conley up and they spend some time visiting cemeteries and > working on the family tree. > > Forwarded Message > > Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 16:46:31 -0600 From: "Willie R Beaty" > <wbeaty@twlakes.net> To: TNFENTRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: > [TNFENTRE-L] Fentress County Smith's Y-DNA Project Plain Text > Attachment [ Download File | Save to Yahoo! Briefcase ] > > > Ron, Did you get the file on Raccoon John Smith? I think my whole > Koger-Smith database was attached. Yes, the Beaty Lineage has been > busted up, but I'm not convinced that we have it right yet. I think there > is a long way to go before DNA will offer us the ansswers we want, but > it certainly is a good approach, and has been helpful in giving us some > hints and "probablilities" about just how recent (if at all) some of the > lineage 2 Beatys have a common ancestor. There are about 14 L2 Beatys that > have exact matches at 12 markers, but fewer at 25 and only two at 37, I > believe. It's been a little while since I checked over that, but that is > my memory. Anyway, I hope it does for you all that you are expecting. > No, I don't know Conley Beaty. Is he still living, and where does he > live? Willie > > > > ==== TNFENTRE Mailing List ==== > VERY IMPORTANT************** To Unsubscribe, send E-Mail to > TNFENTRE-L-request@rootsweb.com (For Single Messages) or > TNFENTRE-D-request@rootsweb.com (For Digest Mode)and put unsubscribe > >

Willie, Isaac Denton preached at Clear Fork just south of Albany. The church is very active to this day. Riley and and Smith are buried in that grave, but I do not know that Richardson is there. The grave has a shared tombstone of modern manufacture. You were very close to the site at Chanute Church. The graves are in the back of an old store. I will get you that book. Gary > From: Willie R Beaty <wbeaty@twlakes.net> > Reply-To: TNFENTRE-L@rootsweb.com > Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 08:09:25 -0600 > To: TNFENTRE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [TNFENTRE-L] Champ Ferguson & Smiths > Resent-From: TNFENTRE-L@rootsweb.com > Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 07:09:59 -0700 > > Gary, > > I should clarify the below message. Jesse Bowen Smith is a brother to Isaac > Denton Smith. > > Willie > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Willie R Beaty" <wbeaty@twlakes.net> > To: <TNFENTRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 4:27 PM > Subject: [TNFENTRE-L] Champ Ferguson & Smiths > > >> Gary, >> >> Eliza Smith, who was Champ Ferguson's first wife, was the daughter of >> Jesse Bowen Smith, and a brother to Isaac Denton Smith. I.D. and Zerelda >> Ann Smith (cousin) had daughter named Millie Ann, who married Thomas Riley >> III. Millie had a brother named John M. Smith, and it was John Smith and >> Thomas Riley III, along with Hiram Richardson, who were killed at the >> head of Holbert Creek in January of 1864 by Tinker Dave Beaty's men. A.B. >> Wright, p.48, has this information: >> >> "In January of this year (1864), one-half mile from my home, in a battle >> between some of Beatty's and Ferguson's men, Hiram Richardson, John Smith, >> and Thomas Riley, Confederates, were killed. They were young men from >> families of my neighbors. Young Riley was taken prisoner and brutally >> murdered, while beggin of his captors the privilege of seeing his young >> wife, who was only one-half mile away, before they killed him. This was >> denied him. The young wife died soon afterwards of a broken heart." >> >> Family tradition says that Thomas Riley and John Smith were buried in a >> common grave in the Smith-Koger Cemetery near Chanute. Lizzie Russell had >> a stone erected in the 70's or 80's with that information written on it. >> >> I believe, however, that Tim Huddleston's book says that all three of the >> dead soldiers were buried in the same grave. I'll check that (and his >> source) when you bring me the book. Seems that it was Bertha Zachary, but >> I'm not sure. >> >> My great-aunt Mae Clark, who was granddaughter of Thomas and Millie Ann >> Smith Riley, remembered the "two-in-a-common-grave" story when I talked >> with her in 2001 about a year before she died at age 105 in Monticello KY. >> But she couldn't remember which side they were on in the army. >> >> I don't know who Elzy Smith was, but may have been related to these >> Smiths. I don't have his name in my data base. >> >> Yes, I believe that Isaac Denton Smith, and Isaac Denton Koger, were both >> named after the preacher Isaac Denton. Denton was pastor of the church >> where some of the Smiths were members over in Clinton County, but I don't >> remember now the name of it. >> >> Willie >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Gary Norris" <gnorris@kih.net> >> To: <TNFENTRE-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 10:33 PM >> Subject: Re: [TNFENTRE-L] Fentress County Smith Y-DNA Project >> >> >>> Champ Ferguson's first wife was a Smith. He was kin by marriage to the >>> Lt. >>> Elzy Smith he later killed after the battle at Saltville, Virginia. Was >>> Thomas Riley's wife kin to those Smiths? They were not separated by too >>> much distance as the crow flies. >>> >>> Preacher Isaac Denton was head of the Clear Fork Church just south of >>> Albany. Again, there may be a connection since that church is not too >>> far >>> from where Champ lived. Perhaps Isaac Denton Smith was named for the >>> preacher and maybe there is a connection to Champ's first wife. >>> >>> Gary D. Norris >>> >>>> From: Willie R Beaty <wbeaty@twlakes.net> >>>> Reply-To: TNFENTRE-L@rootsweb.com >>>> Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 09:51:21 -0600 >>>> To: TNFENTRE-L@rootsweb.com >>>> Subject: Re: [TNFENTRE-L] Fentress County Smith Y-DNA Project >>>> Resent-From: TNFENTRE-L@rootsweb.com >>>> Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 08:55:11 -0700 >>>> >>>> Ron, >>>> >>>> I am following with interest your efforts to sort out the SMITHS of >>>> Fentress >>>> County. I would be glad to help, but my SMith connection is four >>>> generations >>>> back and I really know no living Smith males that I am related to. My >>>> g-g-grandmother was Millie Ann Smith, born in KY in 1840 married Thomas >>>> Riley III. He died in 1864, a causualty of the Civil War, and his wife >>>> Millie died about 16 months later, in 1865. Millie was pregnant with >>>> their >>>> first child when Thomas was killed by Tinker David Beatys men. The >>>> daughter >>>> was born May 16, 1864, and named Lodema Thomas Riley. >>>> >>>> Millie Ann Smith's parents, Isaac Denton Smith and Zerelda Ann Smith, >>>> were >>>> first cousins, the children of Phillip Smith and Raccoon John Smith, >>>> respectively. Phillip moved his family to Fentress County and died >>>> here. >>>> Millie Ann Smith had a brother, Isaac Woolsey SMith who was a school >>>> teacher >>>> and superintendent of schools in Pickett County had two daughters. I >>>> know of >>>> none other of the male children who stayed in either TN or KY. Raccoon >>>> John >>>> (Elder John Smith) went to MO and died there. Zerelda Ann was his >>>> daughter >>>> by his first wife. Other children by his first wife were burned to death >>>> in >>>> a fire in Alabama. He returned to KY and remarried and had other >>>> children, >>>> but I don't know what happened to them. >>>> >>>> Anyway, good luck on your project. I am trying to do the same with our >>>> Beaty >>>> lines who settled in Fentress County. We have a DNA project and I am a >>>> donor >>>> and have secured the participation of at least four others of different >>>> lines that we know are connected, but in a couple of cases, haven't been >>>> able to prove it. >>>> >>>> Willie >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Ron Smith" <rsmith0127@yahoo.com> >>>> To: <TNFENTRE-L@rootsweb.com> >>>> Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 9:20 PM >>>> Subject: [TNFENTRE-L] Fentress County Smith Y-DNA Project >>>> >>>> >>>>> Hi Millie and everyone, I hope everyone has a fantastic & blessed >>>>> Thanksgiving this week! >>>>> As everyone probably knows, we have had a terrible time trying to >>>>> separate and identify all the different Smith lines in Fentress County. >>>>> Recently, I was contacted by Becky Smith who descends from Matthew >>>>> "Mathie" Smith & Ebba ??? who lived in Dist. 11 of Fentress Co. My >>>>> g-g-grandfather, George W. Smith and his wife, Judith Garrett also >>>>> lived >>>>> in Dist. 11 with their family. Dist. 11 was called the "Olympus" area >>>>> on >>>>> the census' that were taken. I strongly believe these two families may >>>>> have been connected because they don't show up in Oma Smith's book with >>>>> any amount of mention. Also, because we can't seem to find any records >>>>> on >>>>> them - Fentress Co. Courthouse burnt down a couple of times - I believe >>>>> the only way we can positively identify these and other Smith lines is >>>>> to >>>>> ask male Smith family members who have researched their families to >>>>> participate in a Y-DNA project. >>>>> My brother, Scott Smith has already taken and has his Y-DNA posted on >>>>> the >>>>> Southern Smith's Y-DNA page. There are now well over a hundred other >>>>> Smith's that have also tested and posted their family trees. I would >>>>> like >>>>> to try and organize a 3 county Smith Y-DNA project for males with the >>>>> SMITH surname that have ancestors from Fentress, Overton, and Pickett >>>>> counties. If you are trying to research the Smith's from any of these >>>>> 3 >>>>> counties, please contact me at: rsmith0127@yahoo.com >>>>> >>>>> Please let me know which line you are researching, what county, and who >>>>> you might have that would be interested in participating. This project >>>>> would only be for male Smith's because the test only checks the Y-DNA >>>>> which is carried only by the males of the line. I would suggest a >>>>> minimum >>>>> 25 marker test because the 12 marker test really doesn't tell much. >>>>> Here >>>>> is the link to the Southern Smith Reconstruction Project: >>>>> >>>>> http://www.southernsmiths.org/smithdnaproject.htm >>>>> >>>>> If you can't participate, but have a father, uncle, brother, or cousin >>>>> with the Smith surname, you can submit them if they are willing. You >>>>> can >>>>> go to the above link for more info. Also, if you go to the "Test >>>>> Results" >>>>> and look in Haplogroup I, you will see Kit #9011 - George W. Smith, >>>>> Fentress Co., TN - this is my brother, Scott's Y-DNA. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ==== TNFENTRE Mailing List ==== >>>>> Do not spam or send derogatory comments to any other subscriber to this >>>>> list. >>>>> It will happen once and then you will be permanently removed. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ==== TNFENTRE Mailing List ==== >>>> Please do not write your message with CAPS on. It is seen as anger.You >>>> may put >>>> Surnames in CAPS.Do not send your letter as a Forward and do not send >>>> Attachments. Rootsweb Does Not Accept Attachments. >>>> >>> >>> >>> ==== TNFENTRE Mailing List ==== >>> Please do not write your message with CAPS on. It is seen as anger.You >>> may put Surnames in CAPS.Do not send your letter as a Forward and do not >>> send Attachments. Rootsweb Does Not Accept Attachments. >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ==== TNFENTRE Mailing List ==== >> Fentress County List has the best, most helpful and friendly people on any >> List...You ALL are the greatest..... >> To See Previous Posts http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/tnfentre >> > > > > ==== TNFENTRE Mailing List ==== > Milly Piros, List Administrator > Any problems contact me MPiros1120@aol.com > To See Previous Posts > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/tnfentre >

Willie, Yes, I did get your information but, I couldn't open it for some reason. My FTM software is V7, so I'm sure it should be up-to-date. I've been working on trying to get it open for a few days now. Is it a normal GEDCOM file? It isn't one of those renegade files, is it? ;o) Conley M. Beaty is the son of Virgil Beaty and was born in 1942. He lives in Crossville, TN with his wife. He loves to attend family reunions and brings his guitar for some "pickin' & grinnin'" with the rest of the gang. I'll send you his address and phone number with a picture of him and his wife. When mom makes her spring pilgrimages to TN from OH, she usually looks Conley up and they spend some time visiting cemeteries and working on the family tree. Forwarded Message Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 16:46:31 -0600 From: "Willie R Beaty" <wbeaty@twlakes.net> To: TNFENTRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TNFENTRE-L] Fentress County Smith's Y-DNA Project Plain Text Attachment [ Download File | Save to Yahoo! Briefcase ] Ron, Did you get the file on Raccoon John Smith? I think my whole Koger-Smith database was attached. Yes, the Beaty Lineage has been busted up, but I'm not convinced that we have it right yet. I think there is a long way to go before DNA will offer us the ansswers we want, but it certainly is a good approach, and has been helpful in giving us some hints and "probablilities" about just how recent (if at all) some of the lineage 2 Beatys have a common ancestor. There are about 14 L2 Beatys that have exact matches at 12 markers, but fewer at 25 and only two at 37, I believe. It's been a little while since I checked over that, but that is my memory. Anyway, I hope it does for you all that you are expecting. No, I don't know Conley Beaty. Is he still living, and where does he live? Willie

Hi Dixie WILLIAM (BILLY) BYRGE~BIRG~BIRGE~BURGE and JUDA LAWSON were my grgrgr grandparents. Their son HENRY grgrgrandpa, Henry's daughter PHAIRZELLA my grgrandma,HENRY WARD my grandpa, JAMES HENRY WARD my dad. Child ren 1.PRESTON 1823~1865 2.ROBERT (twin to David) 3.DAVID 4.SAMUEL 5.CALLAWAY 6.ELIZABETH 7.HENRY 8.GEORGE 9.MICHAEL 10.NANCY I have 8 children for Preston & Clara 1.CALLAWAY B:ABT 1847 2.THERBA B:ABT 1849 3.WILLIAM b:abt 1853 4.THURSEY b:abt 1855 5.ELIAS b:abt 1856 6.HENRY b:1859 7.BRAZZLETON b:abt 1860 8.JUDA b: Oct 23 1862 Scott Co TN Neal B Byrge has done extensive work on the BYRGE family. He has a web site with the info plus he has a book. We share old BILLY BYRGE as grgrgrgrandparents. Milly WARD Piros My Mind is Like Lightning.... One Brilliant Flash and It's Gone.......

Gary, I should clarify the below message. Jesse Bowen Smith is a brother to Isaac Denton Smith. Willie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Willie R Beaty" <wbeaty@twlakes.net> To: <TNFENTRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 4:27 PM Subject: [TNFENTRE-L] Champ Ferguson & Smiths > Gary, > > Eliza Smith, who was Champ Ferguson's first wife, was the daughter of > Jesse Bowen Smith, and a brother to Isaac Denton Smith. I.D. and Zerelda > Ann Smith (cousin) had daughter named Millie Ann, who married Thomas Riley > III. Millie had a brother named John M. Smith, and it was John Smith and > Thomas Riley III, along with Hiram Richardson, who were killed at the > head of Holbert Creek in January of 1864 by Tinker Dave Beaty's men. A.B. > Wright, p.48, has this information: > > "In January of this year (1864), one-half mile from my home, in a battle > between some of Beatty's and Ferguson's men, Hiram Richardson, John Smith, > and Thomas Riley, Confederates, were killed. They were young men from > families of my neighbors. Young Riley was taken prisoner and brutally > murdered, while beggin of his captors the privilege of seeing his young > wife, who was only one-half mile away, before they killed him. This was > denied him. The young wife died soon afterwards of a broken heart." > > Family tradition says that Thomas Riley and John Smith were buried in a > common grave in the Smith-Koger Cemetery near Chanute. Lizzie Russell had > a stone erected in the 70's or 80's with that information written on it. > > I believe, however, that Tim Huddleston's book says that all three of the > dead soldiers were buried in the same grave. I'll check that (and his > source) when you bring me the book. Seems that it was Bertha Zachary, but > I'm not sure. > > My great-aunt Mae Clark, who was granddaughter of Thomas and Millie Ann > Smith Riley, remembered the "two-in-a-common-grave" story when I talked > with her in 2001 about a year before she died at age 105 in Monticello KY. > But she couldn't remember which side they were on in the army. > > I don't know who Elzy Smith was, but may have been related to these > Smiths. I don't have his name in my data base. > > Yes, I believe that Isaac Denton Smith, and Isaac Denton Koger, were both > named after the preacher Isaac Denton. Denton was pastor of the church > where some of the Smiths were members over in Clinton County, but I don't > remember now the name of it. > > Willie > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gary Norris" <gnorris@kih.net> > To: <TNFENTRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 10:33 PM > Subject: Re: [TNFENTRE-L] Fentress County Smith Y-DNA Project > > >> Champ Ferguson's first wife was a Smith. He was kin by marriage to the >> Lt. >> Elzy Smith he later killed after the battle at Saltville, Virginia. Was >> Thomas Riley's wife kin to those Smiths? They were not separated by too >> much distance as the crow flies. >> >> Preacher Isaac Denton was head of the Clear Fork Church just south of >> Albany. Again, there may be a connection since that church is not too >> far >> from where Champ lived. Perhaps Isaac Denton Smith was named for the >> preacher and maybe there is a connection to Champ's first wife. >> >> Gary D. Norris >> >>> From: Willie R Beaty <wbeaty@twlakes.net> >>> Reply-To: TNFENTRE-L@rootsweb.com >>> Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 09:51:21 -0600 >>> To: TNFENTRE-L@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: Re: [TNFENTRE-L] Fentress County Smith Y-DNA Project >>> Resent-From: TNFENTRE-L@rootsweb.com >>> Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 08:55:11 -0700 >>> >>> Ron, >>> >>> I am following with interest your efforts to sort out the SMITHS of >>> Fentress >>> County. I would be glad to help, but my SMith connection is four >>> generations >>> back and I really know no living Smith males that I am related to. My >>> g-g-grandmother was Millie Ann Smith, born in KY in 1840 married Thomas >>> Riley III. He died in 1864, a causualty of the Civil War, and his wife >>> Millie died about 16 months later, in 1865. Millie was pregnant with >>> their >>> first child when Thomas was killed by Tinker David Beatys men. The >>> daughter >>> was born May 16, 1864, and named Lodema Thomas Riley. >>> >>> Millie Ann Smith's parents, Isaac Denton Smith and Zerelda Ann Smith, >>> were >>> first cousins, the children of Phillip Smith and Raccoon John Smith, >>> respectively. Phillip moved his family to Fentress County and died >>> here. >>> Millie Ann Smith had a brother, Isaac Woolsey SMith who was a school >>> teacher >>> and superintendent of schools in Pickett County had two daughters. I >>> know of >>> none other of the male children who stayed in either TN or KY. Raccoon >>> John >>> (Elder John Smith) went to MO and died there. Zerelda Ann was his >>> daughter >>> by his first wife. Other children by his first wife were burned to death >>> in >>> a fire in Alabama. He returned to KY and remarried and had other >>> children, >>> but I don't know what happened to them. >>> >>> Anyway, good luck on your project. I am trying to do the same with our >>> Beaty >>> lines who settled in Fentress County. We have a DNA project and I am a >>> donor >>> and have secured the participation of at least four others of different >>> lines that we know are connected, but in a couple of cases, haven't been >>> able to prove it. >>> >>> Willie >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Ron Smith" <rsmith0127@yahoo.com> >>> To: <TNFENTRE-L@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 9:20 PM >>> Subject: [TNFENTRE-L] Fentress County Smith Y-DNA Project >>> >>> >>>> Hi Millie and everyone, I hope everyone has a fantastic & blessed >>>> Thanksgiving this week! >>>> As everyone probably knows, we have had a terrible time trying to >>>> separate and identify all the different Smith lines in Fentress County. >>>> Recently, I was contacted by Becky Smith who descends from Matthew >>>> "Mathie" Smith & Ebba ??? who lived in Dist. 11 of Fentress Co. My >>>> g-g-grandfather, George W. Smith and his wife, Judith Garrett also >>>> lived >>>> in Dist. 11 with their family. Dist. 11 was called the "Olympus" area >>>> on >>>> the census' that were taken. I strongly believe these two families may >>>> have been connected because they don't show up in Oma Smith's book with >>>> any amount of mention. Also, because we can't seem to find any records >>>> on >>>> them - Fentress Co. Courthouse burnt down a couple of times - I believe >>>> the only way we can positively identify these and other Smith lines is >>>> to >>>> ask male Smith family members who have researched their families to >>>> participate in a Y-DNA project. >>>> My brother, Scott Smith has already taken and has his Y-DNA posted on >>>> the >>>> Southern Smith's Y-DNA page. There are now well over a hundred other >>>> Smith's that have also tested and posted their family trees. I would >>>> like >>>> to try and organize a 3 county Smith Y-DNA project for males with the >>>> SMITH surname that have ancestors from Fentress, Overton, and Pickett >>>> counties. If you are trying to research the Smith's from any of these >>>> 3 >>>> counties, please contact me at: rsmith0127@yahoo.com >>>> >>>> Please let me know which line you are researching, what county, and who >>>> you might have that would be interested in participating. This project >>>> would only be for male Smith's because the test only checks the Y-DNA >>>> which is carried only by the males of the line. I would suggest a >>>> minimum >>>> 25 marker test because the 12 marker test really doesn't tell much. >>>> Here >>>> is the link to the Southern Smith Reconstruction Project: >>>> >>>> http://www.southernsmiths.org/smithdnaproject.htm >>>> >>>> If you can't participate, but have a father, uncle, brother, or cousin >>>> with the Smith surname, you can submit them if they are willing. You >>>> can >>>> go to the above link for more info. Also, if you go to the "Test >>>> Results" >>>> and look in Haplogroup I, you will see Kit #9011 - George W. Smith, >>>> Fentress Co., TN - this is my brother, Scott's Y-DNA. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ==== TNFENTRE Mailing List ==== >>>> Do not spam or send derogatory comments to any other subscriber to this >>>> list. >>>> It will happen once and then you will be permanently removed. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ==== TNFENTRE Mailing List ==== >>> Please do not write your message with CAPS on. It is seen as anger.You >>> may put >>> Surnames in CAPS.Do not send your letter as a Forward and do not send >>> Attachments. Rootsweb Does Not Accept Attachments. >>> >> >> >> ==== TNFENTRE Mailing List ==== >> Please do not write your message with CAPS on. It is seen as anger.You >> may put Surnames in CAPS.Do not send your letter as a Forward and do not >> send Attachments. Rootsweb Does Not Accept Attachments. >> >> > > > > ==== TNFENTRE Mailing List ==== > Fentress County List has the best, most helpful and friendly people on any > List...You ALL are the greatest..... > To See Previous Posts http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/tnfentre >

Hello, Milly: I have been watching with great interest (as usual) on the Fentress Site. I would like to know if you have any other information on the BURGE family? The earliest I do have is William and Juda (LAWSON) BURGE. His birth is c. 1776 in NC and his death is c. 1867 in TN. I only have his wife and one son: Preston BURGE with a birth date of 1823. He died in the Regimental Hospital in Athens, TN in 1865. He was on the August 1860 Census in Anderson Co. TN as 'BIRGE'. I do have a note to myself as to whether the William 'BIRGE' @ 86y, was the Father of Preston or not. The wife of Preston was Clara (HEWITH) HUGHETT and they married in Campbell Co. TN, Feb. 9, 1847. I also have 7 children for this couple if you are interested. Clara remarried after the death of Preston: to James BRUCE, October 16, 1870, in Scott Co., TN. In Scott Co. TN, 1880, James was 83y and 'Cleary' was 55y. Does any of this help you in your search? As always: Thank you Milly, for all of your information. Dixie (SCOTT)

The 1920 Fentress County census shows the family of Jack SMITH, wife Ella Gilreath with children Clarence, Lonzo, Edna, and Delta. Does anyone have any information on this family. Per Gary Norris' Footprints book, Jack Smith died in 1916 after being struck by lightning. Does anyone now his place of burial? Thanks for any input, sue

Ron, Did you get the file on Raccoon John Smith? I think my whole Koger-Smith database was attached. Yes, the Beaty Lineage has been busted up, but I'm not convinced that we have it right yet. I think there is a long way to go before DNA will offer us the ansswers we want, but it certainly is a good approach, and has been helpful in giving us some hints and "probablilities" about just how recent (if at all) some of the lineage 2 Beatys have a common ancestor. There are about 14 L2 Beatys that have exact matches at 12 markers, but fewer at 25 and only two at 37, I believe. It's been a little while since I checked over that, but that is my memory. Anyway, I hope it does for you all that you are expecting. No, I don't know Conley Beaty. Is he still living, and where does he live? Willie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Smith" <rsmith0127@yahoo.com> To: <TNFENTRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 2:16 AM Subject: [TNFENTRE-L] Fentress County Smith's Y-DNA Project > Cousin Willie, > Always great to hear from you. One of the big reasons I decided to try > and put a Y-DNA project together for the Smith's of Fentress, Overton, and > Pickett counties was because of the success the Beaty Y-DNA Project was > having in identifying and sorting through all those rascally Beatys. :o) > My grandmother was a Beaty and I'm in group L2E, which has changed a lot > since the DNA testing began a couple of years ago. The testing has > certainly straightened out a lot of erroneous info in the Beaty lines. > I'm hoping to do the same thing with the Smith's. > Willie, could you send me your Smith info on Raccoon John Smith? I'd > certainly appreciate it since I don't have it in my database. I've got > most of the other John's - Hog, Honey, Booher, Leggs, etc. I need to add > Raccoon to my collection. > BTW, do you know Conley Beaty? Conley is my 1st cousin, once removed. > Conley was my grandmother, Viola Beaty's nephew. He was the son of Virgil > Beaty & Bertha Mae Turner. > Anyway, if there's anyone else out there that knows of a male Smith from > Fentress, Overton, or Pickett counties that is researching the Smith's > please contact me. > > Hope everyone has a safe and blessed Thanksgiving! > > Ron Smith > Spokane, WA > > > Ron, > > I am following with interest your efforts to sort out the SMITHS of > Fentress County. I would be glad to help, but my SMith connection is four > generations back and I really know no living Smith males that I am related > to. My g-g-grandmother was Millie Ann Smith, born in KY in 1840 married > Thomas Riley III. He died in 1864, a causualty of the Civil War, and his > wife Millie died about 16 months later, in 1865. Millie was pregnant with > their first child when Thomas was killed by Tinker David Beatys men. The > daughter was born May 16, 1864, and named Lodema Thomas Riley. > > Millie Ann Smith's parents, Isaac Denton Smith and Zerelda Ann Smith, were > first cousins, the children of Phillip Smith and Raccoon John Smith, > respectively. Phillip moved his family to Fentress County and died here. > Millie Ann Smith had a brother, Isaac Woolsey SMith who was a school > teacher > and superintendent of schools in Pickett County had two daughters. I know > of none other of the male children who stayed in either TN or KY. Raccoon > John (Elder John Smith) went to MO and died there. Zerelda Ann was his > daughter by his first wife. Other children by his first wife were burned > to death in a fire in Alabama. He returned to KY and remarried and had > other children, but I don't know what happened to them. > > Anyway, good luck on your project. I am trying to do the same with our > Beaty lines who settled in Fentress County. We have a DNA project and I am > a donor and have secured the participation of at least four others of > different lines that we know are connected, but in a couple of cases, > haven't been able to prove it. > > Willie > > > > ==== TNFENTRE Mailing List ==== > Do not spam or send derogatory comments to any other subscriber to this > list. > It will happen once and then you will be permanently removed. > >

Gary, Eliza Smith, who was Champ Ferguson's first wife, was the daughter of Jesse Bowen Smith, and a brother to Isaac Denton Smith. I.D. and Zerelda Ann Smith (cousin) had daughter named Millie Ann, who married Thomas Riley III. Millie had a brother named John M. Smith, and it was John Smith and Thomas Riley III, along with Hiram Richardson, who were killed at the head of Holbert Creek in January of 1864 by Tinker Dave Beaty's men. A.B. Wright, p.48, has this information: "In January of this year (1864), one-half mile from my home, in a battle between some of Beatty's and Ferguson's men, Hiram Richardson, John Smith, and Thomas Riley, Confederates, were killed. They were young men from families of my neighbors. Young Riley was taken prisoner and brutally murdered, while beggin of his captors the privilege of seeing his young wife, who was only one-half mile away, before they killed him. This was denied him. The young wife died soon afterwards of a broken heart." Family tradition says that Thomas Riley and John Smith were buried in a common grave in the Smith-Koger Cemetery near Chanute. Lizzie Russell had a stone erected in the 70's or 80's with that information written on it. I believe, however, that Tim Huddleston's book says that all three of the dead soldiers were buried in the same grave. I'll check that (and his source) when you bring me the book. Seems that it was Bertha Zachary, but I'm not sure. My great-aunt Mae Clark, who was granddaughter of Thomas and Millie Ann Smith Riley, remembered the "two-in-a-common-grave" story when I talked with her in 2001 about a year before she died at age 105 in Monticello KY. But she couldn't remember which side they were on in the army. I don't know who Elzy Smith was, but may have been related to these Smiths. I don't have his name in my data base. Yes, I believe that Isaac Denton Smith, and Isaac Denton Koger, were both named after the preacher Isaac Denton. Denton was pastor of the church where some of the Smiths were members over in Clinton County, but I don't remember now the name of it. Willie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Norris" <gnorris@kih.net> To: <TNFENTRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 10:33 PM Subject: Re: [TNFENTRE-L] Fentress County Smith Y-DNA Project > Champ Ferguson's first wife was a Smith. He was kin by marriage to the > Lt. > Elzy Smith he later killed after the battle at Saltville, Virginia. Was > Thomas Riley's wife kin to those Smiths? They were not separated by too > much distance as the crow flies. > > Preacher Isaac Denton was head of the Clear Fork Church just south of > Albany. Again, there may be a connection since that church is not too far > from where Champ lived. Perhaps Isaac Denton Smith was named for the > preacher and maybe there is a connection to Champ's first wife. > > Gary D. Norris > >> From: Willie R Beaty <wbeaty@twlakes.net> >> Reply-To: TNFENTRE-L@rootsweb.com >> Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 09:51:21 -0600 >> To: TNFENTRE-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [TNFENTRE-L] Fentress County Smith Y-DNA Project >> Resent-From: TNFENTRE-L@rootsweb.com >> Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 08:55:11 -0700 >> >> Ron, >> >> I am following with interest your efforts to sort out the SMITHS of >> Fentress >> County. I would be glad to help, but my SMith connection is four >> generations >> back and I really know no living Smith males that I am related to. My >> g-g-grandmother was Millie Ann Smith, born in KY in 1840 married Thomas >> Riley III. He died in 1864, a causualty of the Civil War, and his wife >> Millie died about 16 months later, in 1865. Millie was pregnant with >> their >> first child when Thomas was killed by Tinker David Beatys men. The >> daughter >> was born May 16, 1864, and named Lodema Thomas Riley. >> >> Millie Ann Smith's parents, Isaac Denton Smith and Zerelda Ann Smith, >> were >> first cousins, the children of Phillip Smith and Raccoon John Smith, >> respectively. Phillip moved his family to Fentress County and died here. >> Millie Ann Smith had a brother, Isaac Woolsey SMith who was a school >> teacher >> and superintendent of schools in Pickett County had two daughters. I know >> of >> none other of the male children who stayed in either TN or KY. Raccoon >> John >> (Elder John Smith) went to MO and died there. Zerelda Ann was his >> daughter >> by his first wife. Other children by his first wife were burned to death >> in >> a fire in Alabama. He returned to KY and remarried and had other >> children, >> but I don't know what happened to them. >> >> Anyway, good luck on your project. I am trying to do the same with our >> Beaty >> lines who settled in Fentress County. We have a DNA project and I am a >> donor >> and have secured the participation of at least four others of different >> lines that we know are connected, but in a couple of cases, haven't been >> able to prove it. >> >> Willie >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Ron Smith" <rsmith0127@yahoo.com> >> To: <TNFENTRE-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 9:20 PM >> Subject: [TNFENTRE-L] Fentress County Smith Y-DNA Project >> >> >>> Hi Millie and everyone, I hope everyone has a fantastic & blessed >>> Thanksgiving this week! >>> As everyone probably knows, we have had a terrible time trying to >>> separate and identify all the different Smith lines in Fentress County. >>> Recently, I was contacted by Becky Smith who descends from Matthew >>> "Mathie" Smith & Ebba ??? who lived in Dist. 11 of Fentress Co. My >>> g-g-grandfather, George W. Smith and his wife, Judith Garrett also lived >>> in Dist. 11 with their family. Dist. 11 was called the "Olympus" area >>> on >>> the census' that were taken. I strongly believe these two families may >>> have been connected because they don't show up in Oma Smith's book with >>> any amount of mention. Also, because we can't seem to find any records >>> on >>> them - Fentress Co. Courthouse burnt down a couple of times - I believe >>> the only way we can positively identify these and other Smith lines is >>> to >>> ask male Smith family members who have researched their families to >>> participate in a Y-DNA project. >>> My brother, Scott Smith has already taken and has his Y-DNA posted on >>> the >>> Southern Smith's Y-DNA page. There are now well over a hundred other >>> Smith's that have also tested and posted their family trees. I would >>> like >>> to try and organize a 3 county Smith Y-DNA project for males with the >>> SMITH surname that have ancestors from Fentress, Overton, and Pickett >>> counties. If you are trying to research the Smith's from any of these 3 >>> counties, please contact me at: rsmith0127@yahoo.com >>> >>> Please let me know which line you are researching, what county, and who >>> you might have that would be interested in participating. This project >>> would only be for male Smith's because the test only checks the Y-DNA >>> which is carried only by the males of the line. I would suggest a >>> minimum >>> 25 marker test because the 12 marker test really doesn't tell much. >>> Here >>> is the link to the Southern Smith Reconstruction Project: >>> >>> http://www.southernsmiths.org/smithdnaproject.htm >>> >>> If you can't participate, but have a father, uncle, brother, or cousin >>> with the Smith surname, you can submit them if they are willing. You >>> can >>> go to the above link for more info. Also, if you go to the "Test >>> Results" >>> and look in Haplogroup I, you will see Kit #9011 - George W. Smith, >>> Fentress Co., TN - this is my brother, Scott's Y-DNA. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ==== TNFENTRE Mailing List ==== >>> Do not spam or send derogatory comments to any other subscriber to this >>> list. >>> It will happen once and then you will be permanently removed. >>> >> >> >> >> ==== TNFENTRE Mailing List ==== >> Please do not write your message with CAPS on. It is seen as anger.You >> may put >> Surnames in CAPS.Do not send your letter as a Forward and do not send >> Attachments. Rootsweb Does Not Accept Attachments. >> > > > ==== TNFENTRE Mailing List ==== > Please do not write your message with CAPS on. It is seen as anger.You may > put Surnames in CAPS.Do not send your letter as a Forward and do not send > Attachments. Rootsweb Does Not Accept Attachments. > >

Crossville Chronicle obit Published November 23-25, 2005 Ridley M. Smith Jr. Dec. 15, 1930 - Nov. 17, 2005 Ridley Mitchell Smith Jr., 74, of Monterey, passed away Nov. 17, 2005. Funeral services were conducted Nov. 21 from the chapel of Hood Funeral Home, with Pastor Joe Blevins officiating. Burial was in Crossville City Cemetery. Full military honors were given with the Veterans Honor Guard serving as pallbearers. Mr. Smith was born Dec. 15, 1930 in Cumberland County, the son of Ridley Mitchell Sr. and Frances Louise Dixon Smith. He was retired as a construction laborer with Tennessee Valley Authority and was a member of the Baptist faith. He enjoyed fishing and loved to hunt. Survivors include his son and daughter-in-law, Randy and Sonya Smith of Clarkrange; daughter, Deborah Bennett of Columbus, OH; brother, Arthur Smith of Crossville; a half-sister; grandchildren, Randy Smith Jr., David Smith, Michelle Baier and husband Richie and Crystal Bennett; and four great-grandchildren. In addition to his parents, he was preceded in death by his wife, Willa Marie Smith. Hood Funeral Home and Crematory, LLC was in charge of the arrangements. www.hoodfuneralhome.com

Crossville Chronicle obit Published November 23-25, 2005 Flonnie C. Crabtree Duncan Oct. 29, 1920 - Nov. 15, 2005 Flonnie C. Crabtree Duncan, 85, of Jamestown, passed away Tuesday, Nov. 15, 2005 in Jamestown Regional Medical Center, Jamestown. Funeral services were conducted Nov. 17, from the chapel of Jennings Funeral Home of Jamestown, with Bro. Sammie Dunford, Bro. Ray Voiles and Bro. Clifford Carpenter officiating. Burial was at Fentress Memory Gardens, Allardt. Mrs. Duncan was born Oct. 29, 1920, in Scott County, she was a member of Honey Creek United Baptist Church. She was retired from Jamestown Shirt Factory after more than 30 years of service, and she was well known as a devout Christian and a loving, devoted wife, mother, grandmother, great-grandmother and great-great-grandmother. Survivors include sons and a daughter-in-law, Bill and Brenda Duncan and James M. Duncan, all of Jamestown, and Raymond F. Duncan Sr. of Morgan County; daughter and son-in-law, Lola and Gary Voiles of Jamestown; son-in-law, Howard Terry of Jamestown; brother and sister-in-law, Fillmore and Nell Crabtree of Selma, IN; sister and brother-in-law, Bessie Crabtree and Charlie Garrett of Muncie, IN; a host of grandchildren, great-grandchildren and great-great-grandchildren, including granddaughter Cheryl Duncan and great-granddaughter Amie Morissa Duncan, both of Rockwood; special friend, Doris Poore of Jamestown; and a host of nieces and nephews. She was preceded in death by her husband of 50 years, Morris G. Duncan; a daughter, Willie Jean Duncan Terry; daughters-in-law, Jean Terry Duncan, Chestolene Harris Duncan and Hazel Houston Duncan; parents, William and Savannah Honeycutt Crabtree; grandchildren, Tracy Rena Duncan and Raymond F. "Sonny" Duncan Jr.; great-granddaughter, Misty Dawn; brother, Fred Crabtree; and sisters, including Ferbie Garrett, Virgie Ingram, Jane Bell, Savonie Posey, Florence Dean and twins Viola and Geneva Crabtree. Pallbearers were grandsons Randall Terry, Chris Duncan, Anthony Voiles, Jason Duncan and Lance Duncan; and grandson-in-law Darrell Pile. Honorary pallbearers were grandsons-in-law Doug Cobb, Chris Duvall and Brian Deslongchamps.

Gary, Thanks for this info. I'll give Wilbur a call after the holiday and see if he might be interested. I'll also talk to him about his book since I have Oma Smith's book on the "Smith - Garrett & Allied Families of Overton, Fentress, and Pickett Counties, TN" I know there are several Smith lines that we can't connect from the early 1800's that I know probably connect further back in the 1700's. I just don't which ones and, like you said, they could even be from southern KY as well. I do believe we can, at least, find the ones that belong together and connect them through the Y-DNA testing process. After that, we can start looking for the documents and papers - if, we ever find them. I just need enough male Smith's from those lines to take the test so that we can connect them. I do know the Beaty Y-DNA Project has made some amazing progress in connecting their loose ends. My Beaty line went from L2 in the beginning to L3E now. Willie's line is the next one after mine. Ron Smith Ron, There is Wilbur C. Smith of Monroe, Overton County. He is from the Jourden Smith line. His research hits a stone wall about 1805. He has the family Bible, but not much else. His telephone number is 931-823-4475. He has written a book about his ancestry. The title is Wilbur's Tales. The family does not seem to be related to the other Smiths in the area. Gary D. Norris

Hi, Gary, And Wilbur's book is very good! Helen

Champ Ferguson's first wife was a Smith. He was kin by marriage to the Lt. Elzy Smith he later killed after the battle at Saltville, Virginia. Was Thomas Riley's wife kin to those Smiths? They were not separated by too much distance as the crow flies. Preacher Isaac Denton was head of the Clear Fork Church just south of Albany. Again, there may be a connection since that church is not too far from where Champ lived. Perhaps Isaac Denton Smith was named for the preacher and maybe there is a connection to Champ's first wife. Gary D. Norris > From: Willie R Beaty <wbeaty@twlakes.net> > Reply-To: TNFENTRE-L@rootsweb.com > Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 09:51:21 -0600 > To: TNFENTRE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [TNFENTRE-L] Fentress County Smith Y-DNA Project > Resent-From: TNFENTRE-L@rootsweb.com > Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 08:55:11 -0700 > > Ron, > > I am following with interest your efforts to sort out the SMITHS of Fentress > County. I would be glad to help, but my SMith connection is four generations > back and I really know no living Smith males that I am related to. My > g-g-grandmother was Millie Ann Smith, born in KY in 1840 married Thomas > Riley III. He died in 1864, a causualty of the Civil War, and his wife > Millie died about 16 months later, in 1865. Millie was pregnant with their > first child when Thomas was killed by Tinker David Beatys men. The daughter > was born May 16, 1864, and named Lodema Thomas Riley. > > Millie Ann Smith's parents, Isaac Denton Smith and Zerelda Ann Smith, were > first cousins, the children of Phillip Smith and Raccoon John Smith, > respectively. Phillip moved his family to Fentress County and died here. > Millie Ann Smith had a brother, Isaac Woolsey SMith who was a school teacher > and superintendent of schools in Pickett County had two daughters. I know of > none other of the male children who stayed in either TN or KY. Raccoon John > (Elder John Smith) went to MO and died there. Zerelda Ann was his daughter > by his first wife. Other children by his first wife were burned to death in > a fire in Alabama. He returned to KY and remarried and had other children, > but I don't know what happened to them. > > Anyway, good luck on your project. I am trying to do the same with our Beaty > lines who settled in Fentress County. We have a DNA project and I am a donor > and have secured the participation of at least four others of different > lines that we know are connected, but in a couple of cases, haven't been > able to prove it. > > Willie > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron Smith" <rsmith0127@yahoo.com> > To: <TNFENTRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 9:20 PM > Subject: [TNFENTRE-L] Fentress County Smith Y-DNA Project > > >> Hi Millie and everyone, I hope everyone has a fantastic & blessed >> Thanksgiving this week! >> As everyone probably knows, we have had a terrible time trying to >> separate and identify all the different Smith lines in Fentress County. >> Recently, I was contacted by Becky Smith who descends from Matthew >> "Mathie" Smith & Ebba ??? who lived in Dist. 11 of Fentress Co. My >> g-g-grandfather, George W. Smith and his wife, Judith Garrett also lived >> in Dist. 11 with their family. Dist. 11 was called the "Olympus" area on >> the census' that were taken. I strongly believe these two families may >> have been connected because they don't show up in Oma Smith's book with >> any amount of mention. Also, because we can't seem to find any records on >> them - Fentress Co. Courthouse burnt down a couple of times - I believe >> the only way we can positively identify these and other Smith lines is to >> ask male Smith family members who have researched their families to >> participate in a Y-DNA project. >> My brother, Scott Smith has already taken and has his Y-DNA posted on the >> Southern Smith's Y-DNA page. There are now well over a hundred other >> Smith's that have also tested and posted their family trees. I would like >> to try and organize a 3 county Smith Y-DNA project for males with the >> SMITH surname that have ancestors from Fentress, Overton, and Pickett >> counties. If you are trying to research the Smith's from any of these 3 >> counties, please contact me at: rsmith0127@yahoo.com >> >> Please let me know which line you are researching, what county, and who >> you might have that would be interested in participating. This project >> would only be for male Smith's because the test only checks the Y-DNA >> which is carried only by the males of the line. I would suggest a minimum >> 25 marker test because the 12 marker test really doesn't tell much. Here >> is the link to the Southern Smith Reconstruction Project: >> >> http://www.southernsmiths.org/smithdnaproject.htm >> >> If you can't participate, but have a father, uncle, brother, or cousin >> with the Smith surname, you can submit them if they are willing. You can >> go to the above link for more info. Also, if you go to the "Test Results" >> and look in Haplogroup I, you will see Kit #9011 - George W. Smith, >> Fentress Co., TN - this is my brother, Scott's Y-DNA. >> >> >> >> >> ==== TNFENTRE Mailing List ==== >> Do not spam or send derogatory comments to any other subscriber to this >> list. >> It will happen once and then you will be permanently removed. >> > > > > ==== TNFENTRE Mailing List ==== > Please do not write your message with CAPS on. It is seen as anger.You may put > Surnames in CAPS.Do not send your letter as a Forward and do not send > Attachments. Rootsweb Does Not Accept Attachments. >

Ron, There is Wilbur C. Smith of Monroe, Overton County. He is from the Jourden Smith line. His research hits a stone wall about 1805. He has the family Bible, but not much else. His telephone number is 931-823-4475. He has written a book about his ancestry. The title is Wilbur's Tales. The family does not seem to be related to the other Smiths in the area. Gary D. Norris > From: Ron Smith <rsmith0127@yahoo.com> > Reply-To: TNFENTRE-L@rootsweb.com > Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 00:16:34 -0800 (PST) > To: TNFENTRE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [TNFENTRE-L] Fentress County Smith's Y-DNA Project > Resent-From: TNFENTRE-L@rootsweb.com > Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 01:16:40 -0700 > > Cousin Willie, > Always great to hear from you. One of the big reasons I decided to try and > put a Y-DNA project together for the Smith's of Fentress, Overton, and Pickett > counties was because of the success the Beaty Y-DNA Project was having in > identifying and sorting through all those rascally Beatys. :o) My > grandmother was a Beaty and I'm in group L2E, which has changed a lot since > the DNA testing began a couple of years ago. The testing has certainly > straightened out a lot of erroneous info in the Beaty lines. I'm hoping to do > the same thing with the Smith's. > Willie, could you send me your Smith info on Raccoon John Smith? I'd > certainly appreciate it since I don't have it in my database. I've got most > of the other John's - Hog, Honey, Booher, Leggs, etc. I need to add Raccoon > to my collection. > BTW, do you know Conley Beaty? Conley is my 1st cousin, once removed. Conley > was my grandmother, Viola Beaty's nephew. He was the son of Virgil Beaty & > Bertha Mae Turner. > Anyway, if there's anyone else out there that knows of a male Smith from > Fentress, Overton, or Pickett counties that is researching the Smith's please > contact me. > > Hope everyone has a safe and blessed Thanksgiving! > > Ron Smith > Spokane, WA > > > Ron, > > I am following with interest your efforts to sort out the SMITHS of Fentress > County. I would be glad to help, but my SMith connection is four generations > back and I really know no living Smith males that I am related to. My > g-g-grandmother was Millie Ann Smith, born in KY in 1840 married Thomas Riley > III. He died in 1864, a causualty of the Civil War, and his wife Millie died > about 16 months later, in 1865. Millie was pregnant with their first child > when Thomas was killed by Tinker David Beatys men. The daughter was born May > 16, 1864, and named Lodema Thomas Riley. > > Millie Ann Smith's parents, Isaac Denton Smith and Zerelda Ann Smith, were > first cousins, the children of Phillip Smith and Raccoon John Smith, > respectively. Phillip moved his family to Fentress County and died here. > Millie Ann Smith had a brother, Isaac Woolsey SMith who was a school teacher > and superintendent of schools in Pickett County had two daughters. I know of > none other of the male children who stayed in either TN or KY. Raccoon John > (Elder John Smith) went to MO and died there. Zerelda Ann was his daughter by > his first wife. Other children by his first wife were burned to death in a > fire in Alabama. He returned to KY and remarried and had other children, but I > don't know what happened to them. > > Anyway, good luck on your project. I am trying to do the same with our Beaty > lines who settled in Fentress County. We have a DNA project and I am a donor > and have secured the participation of at least four others of different lines > that we know are connected, but in a couple of cases, haven't been able to > prove it. > > Willie > > > > ==== TNFENTRE Mailing List ==== > Do not spam or send derogatory comments to any other subscriber to this list. > It will happen once and then you will be permanently removed. >

Published November 22, 2005 Beaty connection? To those Beatys that have connected with the Police Chief of Crossville there is a group picture at: http://www.crossville-chronicle.com/Chronicle/News/citycouncilheroes.html Crab Orchard's Helen Lane's daughter's weather prediction: It's looking like there's not going to be much snow this winter as we only counted three early morning fogs in August and they were light. However, hornets nests have been built low to the ground this year which indicates cold. Also, the woolly worms have been black on both ends and brown in the middle which indicates the hardest part of the winter will hit at the beginning and end, with a lull, or mild spell in between. I've had several reports of yellow jackets nests which were above ground in mid-summer (which is a rarity as they usually build underground) but went underground before summer's end. I had never even seen a yellow jackets nest before until just a few years ago when many of them built above ground. They look just like a hornets nest but are much smaller. Being built above ground usually means that the winter is going to be mild with much rain over the course of it. This is what I predicted that year and was what subsequently followed. The appearance of them above ground again this year serves as an indicator that, again, a mild rainy spell will ensue. This also corresponds with the brown band on the woolly worms indicating the mild portion of the winter will hit in the middle with any cold or ice and mild snows falling at the beginning and end of winter. The mast crop (acorns, hickory nuts, etc...) has been moderately heavy this fall, which would support the prediction of cold spells. I've noticed, too, that the fur on the animals is moderately heavy and the cornshucks on corn has been moderately thick also indicating cold spells. Something I have noticed, however, which could indicate that the cold spells could be harsh, is that the leaves on the trees this year are thick and have hung on longer than usual which is definitely a sign of a harder winter. This is puzzling because the lack of early morning fogs in August doesn't support much snow for the winter, so this could indicate ice, perhaps? We'll see. It's going to be interesting to see how this works out. I'm sure you've noticed that milder winters are becoming more the norm for our area as I suppose global warming is affecting everything. I say this because the winters used to be much more severe here. I've heard my mother speak of her dad's stories of the winters they used to have with deep snows and ice being the norm. He was born in 1874 and died in 1944 and lived all of his life right here on the plateau, with his boyhood spent on Hinch Mountain and his adult years in Crab Orchard. He said back then that the creeks would freeze over and the snows would linger on the ground for days. They always said that "if a snow hangs around on the ground for a few days, it's waiting on another one." I've paid attention to this and it sure holds true! If the snow doesn't melt off and lingers for one or two days, it will invariably snow another one right on top of it within two or three days! Also, any changes in weather usually come on the changing of the moon phase, either on the full of the moon or on a new moon. This nature weather lore was handed down from generation to generation and was originally learned from the pioneers via the Indians from the earliest times in this country. So it's treasured traditions and very interesting to see how it unfolds and compares with the indicators nature's given us. I had one lady ask me the other day if I was a meteorologist after overhearing my conversation with another lady regarding my weather prediction, to which I had to chuckle. I replied, "No, but I guess you could call me a folklore meteorologist!" which I think my mother would've gotten a kick out of. For those of you new to the area, my mother was Mrs. Helen Lane, who learned the art of nature lore weather predicting from her Dad, Charley Sherrill, and who in turn, passed it on to her children, including myself, and I'm very proud to carry on her tradition. I would like to thank all of my nature watchers for sharing interesting tidbits of observations they've made and look forward to carrying this tradition on, not only with my children, but now my grandchildren, too! So, at any rate, to give a recap of my winter weather prediction, better be prepared! Stock up now for a cold, harsh winter at beginning and end with only three mild snows indicated overall, along with a mild, rainy spell in the middle. However, watch out for that possibility of ice in the harsher elements of the winter! That could spell a humdinger!

There is a Stephens/Stevens Y DNA study: http://dnastudy.baileyconnection.com/stephenshome.htm I will pay for a 12 marker Y DNA test of a Stephens male who has a verifiable descent from Zorababel Stephens of SC, Whitley Co., KY, Overton and Fentress Co.s, TN. Thanks, Steven C. Perkins

Cousin Willie, Always great to hear from you. One of the big reasons I decided to try and put a Y-DNA project together for the Smith's of Fentress, Overton, and Pickett counties was because of the success the Beaty Y-DNA Project was having in identifying and sorting through all those rascally Beatys. :o) My grandmother was a Beaty and I'm in group L2E, which has changed a lot since the DNA testing began a couple of years ago. The testing has certainly straightened out a lot of erroneous info in the Beaty lines. I'm hoping to do the same thing with the Smith's. Willie, could you send me your Smith info on Raccoon John Smith? I'd certainly appreciate it since I don't have it in my database. I've got most of the other John's - Hog, Honey, Booher, Leggs, etc. I need to add Raccoon to my collection. BTW, do you know Conley Beaty? Conley is my 1st cousin, once removed. Conley was my grandmother, Viola Beaty's nephew. He was the son of Virgil Beaty & Bertha Mae Turner. Anyway, if there's anyone else out there that knows of a male Smith from Fentress, Overton, or Pickett counties that is researching the Smith's please contact me. Hope everyone has a safe and blessed Thanksgiving! Ron Smith Spokane, WA Ron, I am following with interest your efforts to sort out the SMITHS of Fentress County. I would be glad to help, but my SMith connection is four generations back and I really know no living Smith males that I am related to. My g-g-grandmother was Millie Ann Smith, born in KY in 1840 married Thomas Riley III. He died in 1864, a causualty of the Civil War, and his wife Millie died about 16 months later, in 1865. Millie was pregnant with their first child when Thomas was killed by Tinker David Beatys men. The daughter was born May 16, 1864, and named Lodema Thomas Riley. Millie Ann Smith's parents, Isaac Denton Smith and Zerelda Ann Smith, were first cousins, the children of Phillip Smith and Raccoon John Smith, respectively. Phillip moved his family to Fentress County and died here. Millie Ann Smith had a brother, Isaac Woolsey SMith who was a school teacher and superintendent of schools in Pickett County had two daughters. I know of none other of the male children who stayed in either TN or KY. Raccoon John (Elder John Smith) went to MO and died there. Zerelda Ann was his daughter by his first wife. Other children by his first wife were burned to death in a fire in Alabama. He returned to KY and remarried and had other children, but I don't know what happened to them. Anyway, good luck on your project. I am trying to do the same with our Beaty lines who settled in Fentress County. We have a DNA project and I am a donor and have secured the participation of at least four others of different lines that we know are connected, but in a couple of cases, haven't been able to prove it. Willie

In 1870 Clinton Co KY Census Alvana was listed as being born in NC Tennessee TN James TN Lucinda TN Alex KY Amanda KY Milly WARD Piros My mind is like lightning....one brilliant FLASH...........and pooffffffffffff it's gone.. Administrator for Anderson ~Campbell~and Fentresss Counties TN and surname DELK List

Wishing a grand Thanksgiving to all... Wikipedia tells me that the definition of Thanksgiving is: Thanksgiving is traditionally celebrated with a large dinner shared among friends and family. In both Canada and the United States, it is an important family gathering, and people often travel long distances to be with relations for the celebration. I would like to travel that long distance to be with relatives, back in time, spring of 1878 I'm thinking. Casey County, Kentucky. A photo essay of the people and area that my ancestors traveled to and settled in the 1850's. Perhaps, I would suddenly appear as photographer, taking measure of the landscape, and more importantly, it's inhabitants. How ideal that would be. Knowing what I now know, hopefully filling in the many questions I have. Staying behind the scenes yet watching it expand beyond my imagination... Oh yes, I am so and so, please let me take your picture, tell me about yourself... Would great great grandfather tell me why he changed his name from Thompson to Patterson? Would he tell me why he divorced Jane Sullins? 1880 census has him as blind... Perhaps his third wife, Catherine (Bean), Huff, Verselle, would tell me... that her mother was Elizabeth Rich, daughter of Thomas Rich, (Overton/Fentress County d. 1829), married to Jesse Bean, of Fentress County. Perhaps, Elizabeth went by the name of Jane? (HelenD, still I hoping that we are cousins)! Records show that a Jane Bean was dowager to Jesse Bean. First, Second, wife? Seeing Malinda Hatfield, wife of James Copley... Louis, who's your daddy? Maybe I would talk to Elizabeth Rich, eventually married to William Copley... have a spent great amount of time trying to find you before your appearance in the 1880 census of Casey County.... Just who are your parents? Isn't a picture with a name one of the sweetest thing that can happen in genealogy? Would take many on my adventure, of course would note every piece of information I could on the back... One holiday trip would beg for another, maybe Christmas photos? Take Care. Happy Thanksgiving!