Since we are on the Smith line perhaps someone might be able to help me with this one. Anderson Allen Smith b. ca. 1800 marr. ca. 1830 Sarah Slaven b. ca 1803 buried in Chimney Rocks/Slaven Cemetery Scott Co., Tn. Thanks for any input. Ann cbrotzge@bullitt.net

Hi all, I have begun researching my son-in-law's family. He & his family have remained in the Franklin, Macon Co. area of N.C. His grandmother told me about some of the Angel's going to Tn., but she knew nothing more. She was not into genealogy. Do you think this is a possible connection? Thanks, Ann

Have been following this discussion with interest as I'm still trying to find RIGNEY Mountain which apparently is now called something else. I believe it was in the border area of what was once where the counties of Fentress (TN), Clinton (KY), and Wayne (KY) came together. I am looking for it to give me a place to look for graves of early ancestors, marked or unmarked. Part of the possible land where it could be is now Pickett Co., TN. It was not just mountains that were named for people. Roads, fields, hollows, and creeks, were among the land marks named for our ancestors. Even in recent years the town of Allardt in Fentress County, TN renamed (or named) roads and streets. It is my understanding it was done on a fee basis. Anyone could name a street for themselves or an ancestor for a fee, and on a first come first serve basis. The road where my husband was born and reared is now known by the name of a fairly new resident. In the rural Tennessee county where we live our farm is still known to the older locals as "The Arch Todd Place". We have owned and lived on it for 30 years and Mr. Todd has been dead about 50 years, but the name goes on. It's an interesting subject. I think someone could do a thesis on how places get names and how the names change, or stay the same, over a period of time. Anna Bertram abertram@heartoftn.net Anna Bertram Chapter Officer - Murfreesboro Tennessee Trails Association abertram@heartoftn.net Home Phone 615-765-5357 "Come Hike With Us!" ----- Original Message ----- From: Willie R Beaty To: TNFENTRE-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 10:31 PM Subject: Re: [TNFENTRE-L] Angel family Pickett County has Koger Mountain, named after Anderson Koger who settled there before the Civil War. Fentress has Skinner Mountain, but I don't know who it was named after. I have heard that the mountain behind my farm was called Albertson Mountain and someone told me another name for it, but have forgot. I know the Albertsons owned the land that I now own and a bunch more. Willie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill and Patty" <ktfsandj@tznet.com> To: <TNFENTRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 6:29 AM Subject: Re: [TNFENTRE-L] Angel family > > Can anyone out there name all the family names given to the mountains in > Overton and Fentress Counties? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gary Norris" <gnorris@kih.net> > To: <TNFENTRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 12:08 AM > Subject: Re: [TNFENTRE-L] Angel family > > > > Were they the reason for the Angel Mountain name in Fentress County. > > > > Gary > > > > > From: HelenD1939@aol.com > > > Reply-To: TNFENTRE-L@rootsweb.com > > > Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 22:42:10 EDT > > > To: TNFENTRE-L@rootsweb.com > > > Subject: Re: [TNFENTRE-L] Angel family > > > Resent-From: TNFENTRE-L@rootsweb.com > > > Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 20:42:25 -0600 > > > > > > Hi, JW, > > > I think you are right. Do you know what happened to the remainder of > > > Margaret's siblings? I'll have to dig out my notes so we can > compare. Maybe > > > we > > > can each add a thing or two. > > > Helen > > > > > > > > > ==== TNFENTRE Mailing List ==== > > > Fentress County, Tennesee USGenWeb Page > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnfentre/fent.htm > > > To See Previous Posts http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/tnfentre > > > > > > > > > ==== TNFENTRE Mailing List ==== > > Please do not write your message with CAPS on. It is seen as anger.You > may put Surnames in CAPS.Do not send your letter as a Forward and do not > send Attachments. Rootsweb Does Not Accept Attachments. > > > > > > > > ==== TNFENTRE Mailing List ==== > Check Out Fentress County Archives at > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/tnfentre > > ==== TNFENTRE Mailing List ==== VERY IMPORTANT************** To Unsubscribe, send E-Mail to TNFENTRE-L-request@rootsweb.com (For Single Messages) or TNFENTRE-D-request@rootsweb.com (For Digest Mode)and put unsubscribe

Hey Fabian, Thank you, I checked these and none of them matched who he had been married to prior my grandmother, but I heard from my Aunt yesterday and she said his daughter-n-law is still living and she gave me her phone number and address, and I will contact her. He is buried on the homeplace. I will put the info on when I get it in case my Smith line matches other Smith families. Again thank you. Patty ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fabian Doles" <doles@netcologne.de> To: <TNFENTRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 2:06 PM Subject: Re: [TNFENTRE-L] Sgt York's store 1946 > Hi Patty, > Are any of these Milton Smiths the one you mentioned? > > > Milton Smith 22 May 1896-29 Sep 1974 > http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bruceyork&id=I21044 > > *Milton Clay Smith *1840/-? > http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bruceyork&id=I25307 > > *Milton Clay Smith *28 Apr 1849-? > http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bruceyork&id=I41250 > > Fabian > > Bill and Patty schrieb: > > Milly, > > > > My granpa Milton's sons were Carl Clayton Smith married to Estell unknown > > to me, and Neal Ralph Smith, my moma said he died young about 22-23 from a > > truck accident. They are both deceased. According the Gary's Overton > > County Roll, Neal is buried Johnnie Sells Cemetery, and Carl is buried at > > Robbins. I will have to go to them. > > > > I just run across that Cordie Brummet and Nancy Jane Crabtree in my > > Newberry line a couple of weeks ago. I will have to check that out again. > > > > Patty > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <MPiros1120@aol.com> > > To: <TNFENTRE-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 3:14 PM > > Subject: Re: [TNFENTRE-L] Sgt York's store 1946 > > > > > > > Patty > > > > > > Haven't made up my mind yet when to go. Usually go in July or August. > > They > > > seem to be booked up for now. Maybe the HomeComing. I think it's held > > some time > > > in October. > > > > > > I had a SMITH uncle. CARL SMITH married my aunt OCIA DELK. I forget who > > his > > > parents were I'll look it up I have it here somewhere. His mother was > > CORDIE > > > BRUMMET...daughter of NANCY JANE CRABTREE BRUMMET. If I'm wrong someone > > corret > > > Please.. > > > > > > > > > > > > Milly WARD Piros > > > > > > My Mind is Like Lightning.... > > > One Brilliant Flash and It's Gone....... > > > > > > > > > ==== TNFENTRE Mailing List ==== > > > Fentress County List has the best, most helpful and friendly people on > > any List...You ALL are the greatest..... > > > To See Previous Posts http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/tnfentre > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== TNFENTRE Mailing List ==== > > Don't Forget To Check The Courthouse & Bible Records For Pre 1865 Overton and Fentress Marriages.Also, Look For Recorded Wills. > > > > > > > > > ==== TNFENTRE Mailing List ==== > VERY IMPORTANT************** To Unsubscribe, send E-Mail to TNFENTRE-L-request@rootsweb.com (For Single Messages) or TNFENTRE-D-request@rootsweb.com (For Digest Mode)and put unsubscribe > >

It is something how those stories stay with us. There is a place near Sheboygan that is called Silent Point by the locals, a little boy who was mute, slipped from a cliff on his way up to see his granpa who was manning a lighthouse. They say at certain times they can see him running the shores and cliffs still making his way up to the lighthouse. His family continues to man the lighthoue after all these years. Patty ----- Original Message ----- From: <TAYLORSHELIAFAYE@aol.com> To: <TNFENTRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 7:18 PM Subject: [TNFENTRE-L] Angel Mtn > Some of you might find this interesting: When I was a child growing up in > Jamestown, we would go down Angel Mountain to go fishing. I remember being > told this story as a child: A little girl was lost on the mountain and was > never found. Sometimes at night people would hear her singing. They told me > that is why they called it Angel Mountain! And I believed it! My Grandpa > Carl Fowler was a Tall Tale teller!! > > > ==== TNFENTRE Mailing List ==== > Please do not write your message with CAPS on. It is seen as anger.You may put Surnames in CAPS.Do not send your letter as a Forward and do not send Attachments. Rootsweb Does Not Accept Attachments. > >

Thank you all for the family names of the mountains. That is very interesting. So, if a family owned the land, is that the reason for that part of the mountain receiving it's name? I know of Walker, Alpine, Cub. Some of the names have stayed others have changed. I always wondered why and how they got their names. Here is Wisconsin what I call hills (here they call them mountains or points) are named after Indian Chiefs, tribes or who ever was in the area at the time that lived there and many have sacred burial grounds. It is sad how the state wants to make these areas "productive" for gain, but many have rallied to help protect these precious areas. I won't want a highway through the cemetery my family is buried in. We have lost enough history, and I want my children and on down to know their roots, kin and reason we are where we are today. Again thank you. Patty ----- Original Message ----- From: "Willie R Beaty" <wbeaty@twlakes.net> To: <TNFENTRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 10:31 PM Subject: Re: [TNFENTRE-L] Angel family > Pickett County has Koger Mountain, named after Anderson Koger who settled > there before the Civil War. Fentress has Skinner Mountain, but I don't know > who it was named after. I have heard that the mountain behind my farm was > called Albertson Mountain and someone told me another name for it, but have > forgot. I know the Albertsons owned the land that I now own and a bunch > more. > > Willie > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill and Patty" <ktfsandj@tznet.com> > To: <TNFENTRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 6:29 AM > Subject: Re: [TNFENTRE-L] Angel family > > > > > > Can anyone out there name all the family names given to the mountains in > > Overton and Fentress Counties? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Gary Norris" <gnorris@kih.net> > > To: <TNFENTRE-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 12:08 AM > > Subject: Re: [TNFENTRE-L] Angel family > > > > > > > Were they the reason for the Angel Mountain name in Fentress County. > > > > > > Gary > > > > > > > From: HelenD1939@aol.com > > > > Reply-To: TNFENTRE-L@rootsweb.com > > > > Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 22:42:10 EDT > > > > To: TNFENTRE-L@rootsweb.com > > > > Subject: Re: [TNFENTRE-L] Angel family > > > > Resent-From: TNFENTRE-L@rootsweb.com > > > > Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 20:42:25 -0600 > > > > > > > > Hi, JW, > > > > I think you are right. Do you know what happened to the remainder of > > > > Margaret's siblings? I'll have to dig out my notes so we can > > compare. Maybe > > > > we > > > > can each add a thing or two. > > > > Helen > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== TNFENTRE Mailing List ==== > > > > Fentress County, Tennesee USGenWeb Page > > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnfentre/fent.htm > > > > To See Previous Posts http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/tnfentre > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== TNFENTRE Mailing List ==== > > > Please do not write your message with CAPS on. It is seen as anger.You > > may put Surnames in CAPS.Do not send your letter as a Forward and do not > > send Attachments. Rootsweb Does Not Accept Attachments. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== TNFENTRE Mailing List ==== > > Check Out Fentress County Archives at > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/tnfentre > > > > > > > > ==== TNFENTRE Mailing List ==== > VERY IMPORTANT************** To Unsubscribe, send E-Mail to TNFENTRE-L-request@rootsweb.com (For Single Messages) or TNFENTRE-D-request@rootsweb.com (For Digest Mode)and put unsubscribe > >

I think that perhaps Skinner Mountain was named for Reuben Skinner. Gary > From: Willie R Beaty <wbeaty@twlakes.net> > Reply-To: TNFENTRE-L@rootsweb.com > Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 22:31:37 -0500 > To: TNFENTRE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [TNFENTRE-L] Angel family > Resent-From: TNFENTRE-L@rootsweb.com > Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 22:18:57 -0600 > > Pickett County has Koger Mountain, named after Anderson Koger who settled > there before the Civil War. Fentress has Skinner Mountain, but I don't know > who it was named after. I have heard that the mountain behind my farm was > called Albertson Mountain and someone told me another name for it, but have > forgot. I know the Albertsons owned the land that I now own and a bunch > more. > > Willie > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill and Patty" <ktfsandj@tznet.com> > To: <TNFENTRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 6:29 AM > Subject: Re: [TNFENTRE-L] Angel family > > >> >> Can anyone out there name all the family names given to the mountains in >> Overton and Fentress Counties? >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Gary Norris" <gnorris@kih.net> >> To: <TNFENTRE-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 12:08 AM >> Subject: Re: [TNFENTRE-L] Angel family >> >> >>> Were they the reason for the Angel Mountain name in Fentress County. >>> >>> Gary >>> >>>> From: HelenD1939@aol.com >>>> Reply-To: TNFENTRE-L@rootsweb.com >>>> Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 22:42:10 EDT >>>> To: TNFENTRE-L@rootsweb.com >>>> Subject: Re: [TNFENTRE-L] Angel family >>>> Resent-From: TNFENTRE-L@rootsweb.com >>>> Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 20:42:25 -0600 >>>> >>>> Hi, JW, >>>> I think you are right. Do you know what happened to the remainder of >>>> Margaret's siblings? I'll have to dig out my notes so we can >> compare. Maybe >>>> we >>>> can each add a thing or two. >>>> Helen >>>> >>>> >>>> ==== TNFENTRE Mailing List ==== >>>> Fentress County, Tennesee USGenWeb Page >>>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnfentre/fent.htm >>>> To See Previous Posts http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/tnfentre >>>> >>> >>> >>> ==== TNFENTRE Mailing List ==== >>> Please do not write your message with CAPS on. It is seen as anger.You >> may put Surnames in CAPS.Do not send your letter as a Forward and do not >> send Attachments. Rootsweb Does Not Accept Attachments. >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ==== TNFENTRE Mailing List ==== >> Check Out Fentress County Archives at >> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/tnfentre >> >> > > > > ==== TNFENTRE Mailing List ==== > VERY IMPORTANT************** To Unsubscribe, send E-Mail to > TNFENTRE-L-request@rootsweb.com (For Single Messages) or > TNFENTRE-D-request@rootsweb.com (For Digest Mode)and put unsubscribe >

Henen, Squire Angel's last name had several spellings: 1n 1822 his last name was spelt Angelea, 1830/33 Angel, 1840, Angla, 1850 Angely. I have, off and on been trying to research this Squire Angel b. abt 1799 from NC. Somewhere I found "The Anglea Family in America". It explains that the pronuciation an'jel was derivd from French 'engel', meaning 'a mesenger' and the latter part of the name 'lea was probably added after the family migrated to England. A'lea is an old English field or eadow where the family may have lived, hence the derivation of the latter part of the name. Th report explains that this is only an assumption and may have some entirely different meaning. Bardsley's Dicionary of English and Welsh surnames lists 'Angel', Angell', Angle', Angela' and Angelina.' French,Latin, and Greek: ('angele or 'engel, 'angle and 'angelos) respectively. In trying to identify his parents and his place of origin, I know that since both Squire Angel and his wife Mary Polly Storie were from NC, I believe that Squire Angel may have met Mary Pollie Storie in Wilkes Co., NC were Mary Polly was from. Again, there could be a possibility that Squire Angel was in Ky when he met Mary Polly before he came to Overton aft. 1820. Her father, Joshua was in Ky before he moved to Overton Co. before 1820. I noticed that Squire Angel is not in Overton Co., nor is Mary Polly for she is not in the HH of Joshua in 1820. They are apparently md abt 1819 according to the birth date of Catherine Angel b. 1820. I cannot locate him yet in 1820. They could have md in either NC, KY, or in TN. I have yet to find any documentation. Any thoughts or feedback? JW Garrett -----Original Message----- From: HelenD1939@aol.com Sent: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 08:22:23 -0700 To: TNFENTRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [TNFENTRE-L] Angel family PS Forgot to say Gary that the old-timers always said "Angely Mountain." We believe that Angely is an Italian name. I am wondering about Italians in those TN mountains. Does anyone know anything about this possibility? Helen ==== TNFENTRE Mailing List ==== Please do not write your message with CAPS on. It is seen as anger.You may put Surnames in CAPS.Do not send your letter as a Forward and do not send Attachments. Rootsweb Does Not Accept Attachments.

Pickett County has Koger Mountain, named after Anderson Koger who settled there before the Civil War. Fentress has Skinner Mountain, but I don't know who it was named after. I have heard that the mountain behind my farm was called Albertson Mountain and someone told me another name for it, but have forgot. I know the Albertsons owned the land that I now own and a bunch more. Willie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill and Patty" <ktfsandj@tznet.com> To: <TNFENTRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 6:29 AM Subject: Re: [TNFENTRE-L] Angel family > > Can anyone out there name all the family names given to the mountains in > Overton and Fentress Counties? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gary Norris" <gnorris@kih.net> > To: <TNFENTRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 12:08 AM > Subject: Re: [TNFENTRE-L] Angel family > > > > Were they the reason for the Angel Mountain name in Fentress County. > > > > Gary > > > > > From: HelenD1939@aol.com > > > Reply-To: TNFENTRE-L@rootsweb.com > > > Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 22:42:10 EDT > > > To: TNFENTRE-L@rootsweb.com > > > Subject: Re: [TNFENTRE-L] Angel family > > > Resent-From: TNFENTRE-L@rootsweb.com > > > Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 20:42:25 -0600 > > > > > > Hi, JW, > > > I think you are right. Do you know what happened to the remainder of > > > Margaret's siblings? I'll have to dig out my notes so we can > compare. Maybe > > > we > > > can each add a thing or two. > > > Helen > > > > > > > > > ==== TNFENTRE Mailing List ==== > > > Fentress County, Tennesee USGenWeb Page > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnfentre/fent.htm > > > To See Previous Posts http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/tnfentre > > > > > > > > > ==== TNFENTRE Mailing List ==== > > Please do not write your message with CAPS on. It is seen as anger.You > may put Surnames in CAPS.Do not send your letter as a Forward and do not > send Attachments. Rootsweb Does Not Accept Attachments. > > > > > > > > ==== TNFENTRE Mailing List ==== > Check Out Fentress County Archives at > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/tnfentre > >

I can name a couple, Clark Mt after the family of Clarks,. and Huddlestons Knob after Huddleston family both in Picket Co., Coleman's Mt in Fentress after Coleman, and of course Angel Mt, also in Fentress, now Buck Mt. Family of Bucks also lived on the Mt. as well. JW Garrett -----Original Message----- From: Bill and Patty Sent: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 04:29:24 -0700 To: TNFENTRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TNFENTRE-L] Angel family Can anyone out there name all the family names given to the mountains in Overton and Fentress Counties? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Norris" <gnorris@kih.net> To: <TNFENTRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 12:08 AM Subject: Re: [TNFENTRE-L] Angel family > Were they the reason for the Angel Mountain name in Fentress County. > > Gary > > > From: HelenD1939@aol.com > > Reply-To: TNFENTRE-L@rootsweb.com > > Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 22:42:10 EDT > > To: TNFENTRE-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [TNFENTRE-L] Angel family > > Resent-From: TNFENTRE-L@rootsweb.com > > Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 20:42:25 -0600 > > > > Hi, JW, > > I think you are right. Do you know what happened to the remainder of > > Margaret's siblings? I'll have to dig out my notes so we can compare. Maybe > > we > > can each add a thing or two. > > Helen > > > > > > ==== TNFENTRE Mailing List ==== > > Fentress County, Tennesee USGenWeb Page > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnfentre/fent.htm > > To See Previous Posts http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/tnfentre > > > > > ==== TNFENTRE Mailing List ==== > Please do not write your message with CAPS on. It is seen as anger.You may put Surnames in CAPS.Do not send your letter as a Forward and do not send Attachments. Rootsweb Does Not Accept Attachments. > > ==== TNFENTRE Mailing List ==== Check Out Fentress County Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/tnfentre

Gary, yes, that is why the Mt was called Angel Mt. It was named so because it was the area in which Squire Angel settled shortly after 1820. Of course now it is called Buck Mt. He and wife Polly, is buried on home place of Jess Crisps' parents somewhere in a field. I was given th directions, but yet to find the markers. JW Garrett -----Original Message----- From: Gary Norris Sent: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 22:08:26 -0700 To: TNFENTRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TNFENTRE-L] Angel family Were they the reason for the Angel Mountain name in Fentress County. Gary > From: HelenD1939@aol.com > Reply-To: TNFENTRE-L@rootsweb.com > Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 22:42:10 EDT > To: TNFENTRE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [TNFENTRE-L] Angel family > Resent-From: TNFENTRE-L@rootsweb.com > Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 20:42:25 -0600 > > Hi, JW, > I think you are right. Do you know what happened to the remainder of > Margaret's siblings? I'll have to dig out my notes so we can compare. Maybe > we > can each add a thing or two. > Helen > > > ==== TNFENTRE Mailing List ==== > Fentress County, Tennesee USGenWeb Page > http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnfentre/fent.htm > To See Previous Posts http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/tnfentre > ==== TNFENTRE Mailing List ==== Please do not write your message with CAPS on. It is seen as anger.You may put Surnames in CAPS.Do not send your letter as a Forward and do not send Attachments. Rootsweb Does Not Accept Attachments.

Hi Brenda, have you already seen what Bruce York has on her? http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bruceyork&id=I126239 Fabian BrenINVa@aol.com schrieb: > Does anyone know anything about the parents of Effie L. Crabtree Holbert > Pennycuff? I've not been able to conclusively find her or her parents on the > census records. > > I have found a Harvey (Harve) Crabtree (b. July 04, 1891, Wayne County, KY) > who is married to a Leila M. (or Lela) Smith (abt. 1902) with a daughter, > Maggie Crabtree (b. March 02, 1919 in Wayne County, KY) on the 1920 Wayne > County Census. The name of Maggie's mother was given as "Lela Smith" on her > Maggie's birth record. On the 1920 Census they are living next door to both a > Susie Smith (age 40) household and a Lizzie Groce (age 44) household. > > On the 1930 Wayne County Census, this Harve Crabtree family also has a > daughter, Sarah, age 9, (besides Maggie) and they are still living beside the > Susie Smith household (she is shown with two adopted children -- Leila Smith, age > 10 and Ray Burgess, age 1 2/12). > > I've not been able to find any "Effie's" on the 1930 Wayne County Census. > > Now, I'm wondering if perhaps Efflie L. Crabtree, is the "Effie L. Groce" > living next door to the Harve Crabtree family. > > On the 1920 Wayne County Census (dated 1/6/1920), Lizzie Groce has a > daughter, Ellie (age 22, but listed as "married", but with the "Groce" name), in the > household and there is also a "Effie L. Groce" (age 2 4/12) listed as > grandaughter. There is also a "Lela L. Smith (or Groce) age 2/12 listed as > grandaughter as well. > > Evidently, this Lizzie Groce's maiden name was "Crabtree", because on her > son, George M. Groce's (Gross) Wayne County, KY birth record (12/13/1912) his > mother is listed as "Lizzie Crabtree". > > I'm thinking that perhaps Effie L. Crabtree Holbert Pennycuff was the > daughter of this Harve Crabtree (living next door) and Ellie Groce (daughter of > Lizzie Crabtree Groce, b. abt. 1876 in KY). > > I don't know if this could be Effie's parents or not, but I've done a search > all around for her and cannot find who her parents may be. > > Also, does anyone know who were the parent's of Effie's first husband, > William Thomas Holbert? > > Also is the Delmer Pennyfuff (Effie's second husband) the son of James > Matthew Pennycuff and Mary Ann (Molly) Beaty? > > Thanks so much. I'm sure this posting is very confusing, but I've been > trying to get it figured out. > > Brenda > -------------------------------------------------- > EFFIE L. PENNYCUFF, AGE 88, of Jamestown, TN, Passed Away Monday, May 22, > 2006 at the JAMESTOWN REGIONAL MEDICAL CENTER. Funeral Service will be > Wednesday, May 24, 2006 at 2:00 PM at the WESLEYAN COMMUNITY CHAPEL AT PALL MALL, > TN., with burial in the FAIRVIEW CEMETERY. > The family will receive friends Tuesday, May 23, 2006 from 6:00 PM to 9:00 PM > at Jennings Funeral Home Chapel. > EFFIE L. PENNYCUFF is survived by: > Son-JACKIE HOLBERT of Jamestown, Tenn. > Daughter-BETTY MURRAY of Jamestown, Tenn. > 17 GRANDCHILDREN > 3 GREAT-GRANDCHILDREN > She was preceded in Death by: > Father-HARVE CRABTREE > Mother-ELLA MAE (GROSS) CRABTREE > Son-JUNIOR THOMAS HOLBERT > Son-ROBERT THOMAS HOLBERT > Son-ROBERT THOMAS HOLBERT > Son-JUNIOR THOMAS HOLBERT > 1ST HUSBAND-WILLIAM THOMAS HOLBERT > 2ND HUSBAND-DELMER PENNYCUFF > Jennings Funeral Homes OF Jamestown, TN in charge of services for EFFIE L. > PENNYCUFF of Jamestown, TN. > > > ==== TNFENTRE Mailing List ==== > VERY IMPORTANT************** To Unsubscribe, send E-Mail to TNFENTRE-L-request@rootsweb.com (For Single Messages) or TNFENTRE-D-request@rootsweb.com (For Digest Mode)and put unsubscribe > > >

Hi Patty, Are any of these Milton Smiths the one you mentioned? Milton Smith 22 May 1896-29 Sep 1974 http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bruceyork&id=I21044 *Milton Clay Smith *1840/-? http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bruceyork&id=I25307 *Milton Clay Smith *28 Apr 1849-? http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=bruceyork&id=I41250 Fabian Bill and Patty schrieb: > Milly, > > My granpa Milton's sons were Carl Clayton Smith married to Estell unknown > to me, and Neal Ralph Smith, my moma said he died young about 22-23 from a > truck accident. They are both deceased. According the Gary's Overton > County Roll, Neal is buried Johnnie Sells Cemetery, and Carl is buried at > Robbins. I will have to go to them. > > I just run across that Cordie Brummet and Nancy Jane Crabtree in my > Newberry line a couple of weeks ago. I will have to check that out again. > > Patty > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <MPiros1120@aol.com> > To: <TNFENTRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 3:14 PM > Subject: Re: [TNFENTRE-L] Sgt York's store 1946 > > > > Patty > > > > Haven't made up my mind yet when to go. Usually go in July or August. > They > > seem to be booked up for now. Maybe the HomeComing. I think it's held > some time > > in October. > > > > I had a SMITH uncle. CARL SMITH married my aunt OCIA DELK. I forget who > his > > parents were I'll look it up I have it here somewhere. His mother was > CORDIE > > BRUMMET...daughter of NANCY JANE CRABTREE BRUMMET. If I'm wrong someone > corret > > Please.. > > > > > > > > Milly WARD Piros > > > > My Mind is Like Lightning.... > > One Brilliant Flash and It's Gone....... > > > > > > ==== TNFENTRE Mailing List ==== > > Fentress County List has the best, most helpful and friendly people on > any List...You ALL are the greatest..... > > To See Previous Posts http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/tnfentre > > > > > > > > ==== TNFENTRE Mailing List ==== > Don't Forget To Check The Courthouse & Bible Records For Pre 1865 Overton and Fentress Marriages.Also, Look For Recorded Wills. > > >

Hi Milly, I have Cordia "Cord" Crabtree b. 15 Feb 1885 TN d. 23 Sep 23 1958 married to Ahija K. "Hige" Smith b. 20 Jan 1871 d. 20 Jul 1938 Fentress co. TN Both buried in Frogge's Chapel Cemetery, Pall Mall, TN I had no parents listed for Cordia. You say d/o Nancy Jane Crabtree Brummet. Do you know who this Nancy Jane's parents were? Know the first name of her Brummet husband or is this an illegitimate child? Thanks, Fabian MPiros1120@aol.com schrieb: > Patty > > Haven't made up my mind yet when to go. Usually go in July or August. They > seem to be booked up for now. Maybe the HomeComing. I think it's held some time > in October. > > I had a SMITH uncle. CARL SMITH married my aunt OCIA DELK. I forget who his > parents were I'll look it up I have it here somewhere. His mother was CORDIE > BRUMMET...daughter of NANCY JANE CRABTREE BRUMMET. If I'm wrong someone corret > Please.. > > > > > >

What a neat story. Thank you for sharing. Helen

Some of you might find this interesting: When I was a child growing up in Jamestown, we would go down Angel Mountain to go fishing. I remember being told this story as a child: A little girl was lost on the mountain and was never found. Sometimes at night people would hear her singing. They told me that is why they called it Angel Mountain! And I believed it! My Grandpa Carl Fowler was a Tall Tale teller!!

Helen, Squire Angel's last name had several spellings: 1n 1822 his last name was spelt Angelea, 1830/33 Angel, 1840, Angla, 1850 Angely. I have, off and on been trying to research this Squire Angel b. abt 1799 from NC. Sounds like me. Somewhere I found "The Anglea Family in America". It explains that the pronunciation an'jel was derived from French 'engel', meaning 'a mesenger' and the latter part of the name 'lea was probably added after the family migrated to England. A'lea is an old English field or meadow where the family may have lived, hence the derivation of the latter part of the name. The report explains that this is only an assumption and may have some entirely different meaning. This is most interesting and I have not heard this before. I know that Angely is a name found in Italy from another researcher. Her sister has lived there and said it was a rather common name. Bardsley's Dicionary of English and Welsh surnames lists 'Angel', Angell', Angle', Angela' and Angelina.' French,Latin, and Greek: ('angele or 'engel, 'angle and 'angelos) respectively. Then this may explain why I got nowhere trying to make Italians of them, huh? In trying to identify his parents and his place of origin, I know that since both Squire Angel and his wife Mary Polly Storie were from NC, I believe that Squire Angel may have met Mary Pollie Storie in Wilkes Co., NC where Mary Polly was from. I have not researched NC at all for the Angels. Again, there could be a possibility that Squire Angel was in Ky when he met Mary Polly before he came to Overton aft. 1820. Her father, Joshua was in Ky before he moved to Overton Co. before 1820. I noticed that Squire Angel is not in Overton Co., nor is Mary Polly for she is not in the HH of Joshua in 1820. They are apparently md abt 1819 according to the birth date of Catherine Angel b. 1820. I cannot locate him yet in 1820. I can't recollect what I have, right off, but will try to remember to find it. Please remind me in a couple of weeks if I have not answered this. They could have md in either NC, KY, or in TN. I have yet to find any documentation. Any thoughts or feedback? I don't believe I have any documentation for their marriage. Or really much about them at all. I do remember reading about a Bradshaw trial in one of those OC publications - or maybe it was a FC one. Squire Angel and a Story or two were witnesses. Do you know the one I am talking about? Helen ==== TNFENTRE Mailing List ==== Milly Piros, List Administrator Any problems contact me MPiros1120@aol.com To See Previous Posts http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/tnfentre

Helen, Squire Angel's last name had several spellings: 1n 1822 his last name was spelt Angelea, 1830/33 Angel, 1840, Angla, 1850 Angely. I have, off and on been trying to research this Squire Angel b. abt 1799 from NC. Sounds like me. Somewhere I found "The Anglea Family in America". It explains that the pronunciation an'jel was derived from French 'engel', meaning 'a mesenger' and the latter part of the name 'lea was probably added after the family migrated to England. A'lea is an old English field or meadow where the family may have lived, hence the derivation of the latter part of the name. The report explains that this is only an assumption and may have some entirely different meaning. This is most interesting and I have not heard this before. I know that Angely is a name found in Italy from another researcher. Her sister has lived there and said it was a rather common name. Bardsley's Dicionary of English and Welsh surnames lists 'Angel', Angell', Angle', Angela' and Angelina.' French,Latin, and Greek: ('angele or 'engel, 'angle and 'angelos) respectively. Then this may explain why I got nowhere trying to make Italians of them, huh? In trying to identify his parents and his place of origin, I know that since both Squire Angel and his wife Mary Polly Storie were from NC, I believe that Squire Angel may have met Mary Pollie Storie in Wilkes Co., NC where Mary Polly was from. I have not researched NC at all for the Angels. Again, there could be a possibility that Squire Angel was in Ky when he met Mary Polly before he came to Overton aft. 1820. Her father, Joshua was in Ky before he moved to Overton Co. before 1820. I noticed that Squire Angel is not in Overton Co., nor is Mary Polly for she is not in the HH of Joshua in 1820. They are apparently md abt 1819 according to the birth date of Catherine Angel b. 1820. I cannot locate him yet in 1820. I can't recollect what I have, right off, but will try to remember to find it. Please remind me in a couple of weeks if I have not answered this. They could have md in either NC, KY, or in TN. I have yet to find any documentation. Any thoughts or feedback? I don't believe I have any documentation for their marriage. Or really much about them at all. I do remember reading about a Bradshaw trial in one of those OC publications - or maybe it was a FC one. Squire Angel and a Story or two were witnesses. Do you know the one I am talking about? Helen

You know, there may not be any markers! I've never been back there although Robbie and his brother both told me where it was. Mom and I used to visit cemeteries - way back before we had the Internet - but some were so far out that we were afraid to go there because of snakes. I'm amazed how well kept those country cemeteries are. Helen

In a message dated 6/12/2006 3:54:14 P.M. US Eastern Standard Time, rgarret@clss.net writes: Helen I am also a decendent of Calvin Rich thru his g-father Sherwood (Sheb) Rich whos dau Ida was my grand mother. Hi, Ronald, Now this I did not know. Then I bet you have accurate information on Sheb and his family, don't you? Would you be willing to share so that I can compare and see if I can add something to what you have? Or vice versa? Helen