I am looking for any solid information on Samuel Vance of Cannon, b abt 1814, d in Cannon County Tenn abt 1860. Sheriff of Cannon County from 1844 to 1846. His second wife was Sarah Elledge. I am looking for his first wife's name and his parents. I have seen some info that he was the son of Thomas Vance and Katherine Richards but that comes with no documentation. Does anyone have any solid information they can share. Brent Cantrell Knoxville

mtDNA can be tested from the male line as well as DNA Get both and DNA has to be done by the male.

Thanks Mitchell.

In a message dated 2/8/2005 6:10:41 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, WILY1958@aol.com writes: I have not heard about the mtDNA. What is that? They test male for female DNA D. Mitchell Jones http://www.dmitchelljones.org

I have not heard about the mtDNA. What is that? Gerelene

Thanks for the information. I thought it had to be done from a male. Gerelene

You could also add the mtDNA test to the group. Gives some information on the female to female side of the family.

In a message dated 2/7/2005 6:09:23 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, WILY1958@aol.com writes: Will How much does it cost to have the DNA run? I was just wondering. Gerelene The 12 marker test is $99 and and $169 for 25 marker test if part of family project. The sample has to be made from a male. Very simple and painless. D. Mitchell Jones http://www.dmitchelljones.org

Thanks Will for answering so quick. I will check it out. Have a blessed day Gerelene

Will How much does it cost to have the DNA run? I was just wondering. Gerelene

Gerelene, the Smith DNA testing I did cost me $171.00 for the 25 marker test, but some DNA projects sometimes have reduced rates. The 12 marker test is less expensive, but it's always better to take the extended 25 marker test. Check with http://www.familytreeDNA.com to see if someone is testing for your surname. They will have the cost for the testing posted, or should have anyway... Will ----- Original Message ----- From: <WILY1958@aol.com> To: <TNDEKALB-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 5:08 PM Subject: Re: [TNDEKALB] DNA > Will > How much does it cost to have the DNA run? I was just wondering. > Gerelene > > > ==== TNDEKALB Mailing List ==== > NOTICE: Posting of virus warnings, test messages, chain letters, political > announcements, current events, items for sale, personal messages, flames, > etc. (in other words - spam) is NOT ALLOWED and will be grounds for removal. > Consideration for exceptions, contact Kathleen Burnett kathleenburnett@earthlink.net > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

DNA record is available for 3 Different Lane Families in eastern TN. My husband has contributed for Endymion B. Lane who is Haplogroup R1b. Endymion B. Lane was b 1796 in NC or VA. His 2nd son was William A. Lane b 18 20, TN. The more sample we get, the sooner we can solve some of our family lines, I think. VB in NM

You wrote: >Can it detemine genetic ancestral origins in proportion, such as Celtic, English and German? Could the many people who think they are "part Indian" prove/disprove same by this testing? Yep, In our Rice DNA results and also in my Smith DNA results, there are breakdowns into ethnic groups found in the sample, including "Asian" (native American), Ashkenazim, Shetland Island, ect... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clyde LeFevre" <paclyde@webtv.net> To: <TNDEKALB-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 2:20 PM Subject: Re: [TNDEKALB] Fw: [VAHENRIC] Herrings of Henrico County(Herring/Herron DNA project) > Will, > > That is very interesting. Thank you. > > It verifies family relationships. Can it detemine genetic ancestral > origins in proportion, such as Celtic, English and German? Could the > many people who think they are "part Indian" prove/disprove same by this > testing? > > I guess I need to study up on it, > > Thanks for the reference. > > Clyde > > > ==== TNDEKALB Mailing List ==== > NOTICE: Posting of virus warnings, test messages, chain letters, political > announcements, current events, items for sale, personal messages, flames, > etc. (in other words - spam) is NOT ALLOWED and will be grounds for removal. > Consideration for exceptions, contact Kathleen Burnett kathleenburnett@earthlink.net > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx >

In a message dated 2/7/2005 3:21:22 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, paclyde@webtv.net writes: It verifies family relationships. Can it detemine genetic ancestral origins in proportion, such as Celtic, English and German? Could the many people who think they are "part Indian" prove/disprove same by this testing? It really can not determine if Celtic, English and German, but can give you where like matches are found. They can determine Indian Blood. In Sept 2003 at a Conference in Orlando I spoke with one individual from Family Tree DNA on testing for Indian Blood. He said they had did a number of tests for it, but found only few. But did find several with African blood. A 12 marker match only means kinship if with same surname, or maybe an event outside of marriage if not same surname. A Smith cousin took DNA test and matched up on 12 markers with 94 individuals but only two were Smiths. D. Mitchell Jones http://www.dmitchelljones.org

Will, That is very interesting. Thank you. It verifies family relationships. Can it detemine genetic ancestral origins in proportion, such as Celtic, English and German? Could the many people who think they are "part Indian" prove/disprove same by this testing? I guess I need to study up on it, Thanks for the reference. Clyde

Clyde, If the first twelve markers in the DNA alleles match, it establishes proof of a genetic match, if I understand this correctly. If most or all of the additional 13 markers after that match, then there's a 99 percent chance of a recent common ancestor. My Rice family matches exactly in 24/25 markers to the other participants in Group 9 in the Rice DNA test group, whom I've proven via documentation to be direct descendants of Francis and Sarah (Womack) Rice of Prince Edward County. There is only one variation in ONE gene, the 464 gene, which is spread out over the last four alleles 22 through 25. For this reason, t is highly recommended that participants order the 25 marker test instead of the 12 marker test. I will use the Rice DNA results as an example. The results of the DNA testing on our Rice family there in White/DeKalb/Putnam Counties has RULED OUT ALL OTHER Rice families who were in Tennessee, genetically, with the exception of a James S. Rice who was in East TN and went to Alabama, who matches 11/12 on the first 12 loci alleles, but apparently doesn't match us at all on the other 13 markers. It seems this Francis Rice born 1711 is possibly the only MALE descendant of an earlier Francis Rice who died in Warwick County, Virginia in 1696, but we're not yet certain. The Edward Rice in Warwick County, VA on the 1704 Quit Rent role may have been his brother. That Francis had an adult son, also named Francis Rice, who administered his estate. So OUR Francis may have been Francis Rice 3rd.. I am totally sold on this technology. I do not yet know if the Lefevre family has tested through Family Tree DNA, but it would be something to look into. They have several names that are being tested, and folks can go to http://www.familytreeDNA.com to see if there is a DNA test group for their particular surname. Will ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clyde LeFevre" <paclyde@webtv.net> To: <TNDEKALB-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 11:43 PM Subject: Re: [TNDEKALB] Fw: [VAHENRIC] Herrings of Henrico County (Herring/Herron DNA project) > Will, > > What, exactly, do the DNA tests show? > > Clyde LeFevre > > > ==== TNDEKALB Mailing List ==== > If you wish to unsubscribe from the Dekalb Co., TN list, send only the word > UNSUBSCRIBE to TNDEKALB-l-request@rootsweb.com or if you are on the Digest List > to TNDEKALB-d-request@rootsweb.com > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx >

Will, What, exactly, do the DNA tests show? Clyde LeFevre

I'm passing this on to the DeKalb, Putnam and White County lists to see if anyone in the HERRIN/HERRON/HERREN families in the Upper Cumberland might be interested in participating in the "Herring" DNA project... This was probably the original spelling of "Herrin" etc... I've participated in DNA testing myself, and my Rice cousins have done the same, with remarkable results. I'm sold on this technology for genealogy, and I think our Herrin/Herron/ etc.. cousins would greatly benefit from it as well. See message below: Thanks, Will ----- Original Message ----- From: Ima Herring To: Will Wolfman Smith Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 6:50 AM Subject: Re: [VAHENRIC] Herrings of Henrico County Will, Thanks for your note. Could you pass on this news to your Herring relatives? Best regards, Patrick Will Wolfman Smith <wolfman@blomand.net> wrote: There are LOTS of Herrin's/Herron's in the White/Putnam/DeKalb county Tennessee area. Several of my relatives married into this family. Will ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 4:16 PM Subject: [VAHENRIC] Herrings of Henrico County > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Surnames: Herring > Classification: Query > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/WBC.2ACI/2737 > > Message Board Post: > > As part of the ongoing research into the HERRING family name, a DNA study is being carried out to help support (or disprove) the current paper genealogies and to help connect with others of the same surname world-wide. > Only DNA from the Y-chromosome will be tested and as such, only males who are directly descended (or believed to be descended) from the HERRING family name should apply. This also includes spelling variants of the surname such as Herren, Hearing, Harring, Herrin, etc. If you are a female researcher, you can participate indirectly if you have a brother, father, paternal uncle, or male cousin with the HERRING or variant surname who is willing to submit a DNA sample. Others may participate by sharing the cost of the HERRING surname DNA testing. Because we are acting as a Surname Project, we qualify for discounted testing rates. > The details of the HERRING Surname DNA Project can be found at http://www.familytreedna.com/surname_join.asp?code=M51728&special=true > PLEASE HELP! JOIN TODAY! > You can contact me directly if you have any questions at imaherring@yahoo.com > > Thank you, > Patrick Herring > > > ==== VAHENRIC Mailing List ==== > If you have any problems or questions about this list email me and I'll try my best to resolve them. Mike Simmons simmons@jscomm.net > List manager for VAHENRIC mailing list. > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more.

I'll be glad to. Clyde

Thank you so much for letting me know. If you find any Burton with the first name similar to Jubal , Jubalee , Jobe or Jube Burton please send it my way. Thanks and have a blessed day Gerelene