Jefrobo@aol.com, Yes, I do have some material regarding OVERALL-RAMSEY. There is quite a bit of information in a book "Overall" by W. Kiger. I don't have it before me here at the office. I will check into it and get back with you. Do you have OVERALL material? I take it you descend through RAMSEY?? Lewis Browder lebrowder@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com