Not single handedly. He was bowing to pressure from Georgians who realized that "there was gold in them thar hills." Joyce Stark Blocker ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

He's also almost singlehandedly responsible for running the NA off THEIR land. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

There was much more to Andrew Jackson than his temper. You owe it to yourself to read a few biographies of the man before forming such a firm opinion. He was absolutely loyal to the soldiers who served under him and they to him. He earned that loyalty, so he certainly wasn't cruel to them. In some old family correspondence is a report of his visiting my ancestor, John Carter Stark in Sumner County, in an effort to sell him some land in Davidson County. Following the visit he is reported to have told Daniel Smith, a close friend and neighbor of the Starks, that he had never seen as many beautiful women in one household as he had seen there. So if nothing else, he had an eye for the ladies. ;-) Joyce Stark Blocker ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Diane - It is best to work with what you know and work backwards, especially when you don't have dates. I believe I have found Sarah Jackson in the 1910 census but her husband was not born in Indiana according to this census: 1910 U.S. Census, Henry Village, Henry Co., TN, p.90 R. W. CLOVER, Head, M/W, age 40, Married Once, Married 9 years, PA PA PA Occupation: Overseer of Clay Pit, Rents Home Sarah CLOVER, Wife, F/W, age 35, Married Once, Married 9 years, TN TN TN Robert CLOVER, Son, M/W, age 3, TN TN TN Robert B. CLOVER, Father-in-law, M/W, age 67, Married Once, Married 45 years, TN TN TN Sarah CLOVER, Mother-in-law, F/W, age 70, Married Once, Married 45 years, 5 children/0 alive, TN TN TN Ora JACKSON, Sister-in-law, F/W, age 40, Single, TN TN TN Because Paris in located in Henry Co., you will probably have more success locating Sarah Jackson in her parents' household there in an earlier census before she married Rush Clover. Once you determine the birth year of her father Edmund Jackson, you would follow him back in the census and hopefully locate him with HIS Jackson parents in an even earlier census. After you have more names and birthdates, you might be able to eventually find your family's connection to Andrew Jackson's family. Good luck! Jeanne Johnson, Florida -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Diane Evans Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 1:58 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [TNDAVIDS] Family Mystery As I grew up, the family "mythology" was that our family was in some way connected or related to Andrew Jackson. As a kid, I was somewhat interested and looked up Andy and his family. He and Rachael had no kids, so I knew it wasn't a bloodline relationship. That pleased me because I understand that Jackson was a violent and contentious man, and I don't want to be connected to that. I've never been able to find a link, so I'll give the details I know for sure: my great grandfather was Captain Edmund Jackson (the missing link must be with him) I don't know which army he fought with but I think it might have been the Army of Tennessee (confederate) and he married Elizabeth Morton. They lived in or near Paris, and are buried in the Manleyville Cemetary near Paris. However his daughter, (Sarah Cook Jackson) my grandmother married Rush Clover from Indiana. All the Clovers were Union supporters, so either they were open minded or maybe he did fight for the north. I asked questions when I was young but never got answers. Everyone got quiet and uncomfortable and changed the subject. My dad had two cousins, Louise Butler and Alice Jackson. When I was about 13 and visiting Paris, I asked them both about it and they agreed that it was indeed true but didn't want to talk about it. All my family died when I was young and now there's no one left to ask. If any of you have a clue to this, I'd appreciate it if you'd let me know........thanks...Diane Diane Clover-Evans "Roll with the stars and run with Orion...." ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks for your comments. You are absolutely right about the times and the politics thereof. I was shocked the first time I found that some of my ancestors owned slaves. It took a while for me to absorb that. Now I understand why I can't find any marriage records for the marriage of my Cherokee ancestor and her Scotts husband. I've always thought that it would be interesting to sit down now with one of my ancestors and discuss their views as compared to mine. We could learn alot if only we could get inside their heads and see life from their point of view. Diane Evans Diane Clover-Evans "Roll with the stars and run with Orion...."

That's him!!! Thanks so much!! Diane Clover-Evans "Roll with the stars and run with Orion...."

Before we all get into an argument about the merits of Andrew Jackson, and other TN leaders of the age, we have to face the fact that, ALMOST ALL of OUR ANCESTORS in early TN were in fact responsible for the death and displacement of Native Americans. It was a violent time in history. If an ancestor was not directly involved, then they were most likely supportive of the efforts of the Militia groups formed to take actions against the Native Americans. Much as we regret it now, that was the prevailing attitude and belief system of that time and place. Even the churches supported this attitude and preacher's sermons of the time were anti Native American. When North Carolina gave out the Land Grants to the surviving soldiers of the Revolution, it was expected that the new settlers would "take care of the Indian problems" in the western areas. Did the Native Americans attack and murder the foreign settlers? Of course they fought against the invasion of their home lands. Would it have been better if both sides could have found a way to peacefully co-exist? Of course it would have been, but, alas, that is not our history. If you have an ancestor on the early Militia Rolls of TN (pre War of 1812), then he was "fighting the Indians". Most of my own ancestors arrived in middle TN with NC Land Grants. They killed Native Americans and most of them brought Slaves with them. It is a part of my ancestry that saddens me but it is the truth. Isn't finding the TRUTH what genealogy is all about? We just have to accept our ancestors as a product of their time and place. We all see messages from researchers today who are looking for a link to a Native American who married into their family. Well if you are looking for that "link", you need to accept some facts. First in many places it was illegal for a "white" to marry an "Indian", and if it wasn't illegal, then most preachers would refuse to officiate at such a union. You most likely will never find a marriage record. And if your ancestry contains such a union, then the couple, and their children and grandchildren, would have been subjected to much suffering from the prejudice and discrimination of their neighbors. -------------------------------------------------------------- Think you know everything about your ancestors? Suggestions for Interesting Research: 1. Check the 1820, 1850 and 1860 Slave Schedules to see if, and/or, how many Slaves your ancestors owned. Note how many of those Slaves were Mulatto (i. e. had one white parent) 2. Check the Wills of your ancestors to see how they "disposed" of their Slaves after their deaths (broke up families, sold children away from mothers, freed certain Slaves, etc). 3. Check Deed records of the county to see how often your ancestor bought and sold, or hired out, Slaves during his lifetime. For example, one of my ancestors owned several Slaves. In his Will he specifically states what was to happen to each one, i. e. sell, give to my oldest son, etc. One of his Slaves was a young girl, about 13, named Sal. In his Will, he stated that when Sal starting having children, then Sal's 1st child was to go to his oldest daughter, Sal's 2nd child was to go to his middle daughter, and Sal's 3rd child was to go to his youngest daughter, etc. Note these were children not yet conceived or born!!! He believed that he owned Sal's children even after he was dead and long gone!!!. That is an attitude that I find incomprehensible, but it is the truth of my ancestry. (Thank God his Will was written just prior to the Civil War so Sal's children were probably not taken from her) IF YOU have a PROBLEM with the sentiments and opinions I have expressed above, CONTACT me directly, OFF LINE at [email protected] Kathleen Hill Redondo Beach, CA Direct Descendant of 13 Soldiers of the Revolution granted land in Middle TN ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 3:52 PM Subject: Re: [TNDAVIDS] Family Mystery > Not single handedly. He was bowing to pressure from Georgians who > realized > that "there was gold in them thar hills." > > Joyce Stark Blocker > > > > ************************************** See what's free at > http://www.aol.com. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Indeed you did find them! Thanks!!! Diane Clover-Evans "Roll with the stars and run with Orion...."

Hi all After much searching I found my Great Grandfather, William Lark. He fought for the Confederacy and spent his last years in the "Old Confederate Soldier's Home" on the land of Andrew Jackson, The Hermitage. As they died they were buried in the rear of the land, near the church. Does anyone know if there might be a group trying to put a history together of these men? Thanks for any assistance. Judy Youngblood

Don't know, myself, about any group. But TSLA (TN State Library and Archives in Nashville) has an online file of Confederate Soldier's Home Applications found at http://www.tennessee.gov/tsla/history/military/csh1.htm Kathleen in CA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judy Youngblood" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 2:14 PM Subject: [TNDAVIDS] The Hermitage > Hi all > > After much searching I found my Great Grandfather, William Lark. He > fought for the Confederacy > and spent his last years in the "Old Confederate Soldier's Home" on the > land of Andrew Jackson, > The Hermitage. > > As they died they were buried in the rear of the land, near the church. > > Does anyone know if there might be a group trying to put a history > together of these men? > > Thanks for any assistance. > > Judy Youngblood > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Col. Butler, who lived at Haysborough in Davidson County, was a close friend of President Andrew Jackson. The court marshall by Gen. James Wilkinson, of Butler for refusing to cut his hair to military regulations, began a life-long fued between Jackson and Wilkinson. I seem to remember that the 1805 incident was Butler's second court marshall because of his hair. I'm not certain how true it is but I found the following on the internet: 1805 - U.S. Colonel Thomas Butler was court martialed on a charge of mutinous conduct. His commander had decreed that officers could no longer wear their hair in the traditional pony tail. Butler had worn his pony tail in the American Revolution and refused to cut his hair. His sentence was a forfeture of a year's pay. He died a short time later leaving the following insturctions in his will: "Bore a hole through the bottom of my coffin, right under my head, and let my queue hang through it, that the damned old rascal will see that, even when dead, I refuse to obey his orders." Butler's burial instructions were followed. _http://www.arlo.net/birthday/also.shtml_ (http://www.arlo.net/birthday/also.shtml) In the early 1800s, two hairstyle controversies involved men. The first occurred in 1803 when Lieutenant Colonel Thomas Butler was court-martialed for favoring the longer style of the previous century and thereby disobeying General James Wilkinson's 1801 decree that military men's hair be cropped. _http://www.answers.com/topic/hairstyle_ (http://www.answers.com/topic/hairstyle) (http://www.arlo.net/birthday/also.shtml) ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Once again, thanks to Debi - she always takes the time to educate us with interesting historical facts about the lives of our ancestors. Kathleen in CA ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 12:25 PM Subject: Re: [TNDAVIDS] Col. Thomas Butler > Col. Butler, who lived at Haysborough in Davidson County, was a close > friend > of President Andrew Jackson. The court marshall by Gen. James Wilkinson, > of > Butler for refusing to cut his hair to military regulations, began a > life-long fued between Jackson and Wilkinson. I seem to remember that > the 1805 > incident was Butler's second court marshall because of his hair. I'm not > certain > how true it is but I found the following on the internet: > > > 1805 - U.S. Colonel Thomas Butler was court martialed on a charge of > mutinous conduct. His commander had decreed that officers could no longer > wear their > hair in the traditional pony tail. Butler had worn his pony tail in the > American Revolution and refused to cut his hair. His sentence was a > forfeture of > a year's pay. He died a short time later leaving the following > insturctions in > his will: "Bore a hole through the bottom of my coffin, right under my > head, > and let my queue hang through it, that the damned old rascal will see > that, > even when dead, I refuse to obey his orders." Butler's burial > instructions > were followed. > _http://www.arlo.net/birthday/also.shtml_ > (http://www.arlo.net/birthday/also.shtml) > > > In the early 1800s, two hairstyle controversies involved men. The first > occurred in 1803 when Lieutenant Colonel Thomas Butler was court-martialed > for > favoring the longer style of the previous century and thereby disobeying > General > James Wilkinson's 1801 decree that military men's hair be cropped. > _http://www.answers.com/topic/hairstyle_ > (http://www.answers.com/topic/hairstyle) > > (http://www.arlo.net/birthday/also.shtml) > > > > > ************************************** See what's free at > http://www.aol.com. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Re Edmund Jacksons, from TN, in the Civil War Found at http://www.civilwar.nps.gov/cwss/soldiers.cfm Edmund Jackson (First_Last) Regiment Name 51 Tennessee Infantry. Side Confederate Company B Soldier's Rank_In Private Soldier's Rank_Out Sergeant Alternate Name E.S./Jackson Notes Film Number M231 roll 22 (NOTE - several of my allied families had men who fought in this Unit and they were all from Henry, Gibson and Weakley counties TN) --------------------------------------------- Note - this is the only Edmund/Edmond Jackson found from TN in either the Union or Confederate files at the above web site Kathleen Hill in CA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diane Evans" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 10:58 AM Subject: [TNDAVIDS] Family Mystery > As I grew up, the family "mythology" was that our family was in some way > connected or related to Andrew Jackson. As a kid, I was somewhat > interested and looked up Andy and his family. He and Rachael had no kids, > so I knew it wasn't a bloodline relationship. That pleased me because I > understand that Jackson was a violent and contentious man, and I don't > want to be connected to that. I've never been able to find a link, so > I'll give the details I know for sure: my great grandfather was Captain > Edmund Jackson (the missing link must be with him) I don't know which army > he fought with but I think it might have been the Army of Tennessee > (confederate) and he married Elizabeth Morton. They lived in or near > Paris, and are buried in the Manleyville Cemetary near Paris. However his > daughter, (Sarah Cook Jackson) my grandmother married Rush Clover from > Indiana. All the Clovers were Union supporters, so either they were open > minded or maybe he did fight for the north. > > I asked questions when I was young but never got answers. Everyone got > quiet and uncomfortable and changed the subject. My dad had two cousins, > Louise Butler and Alice Jackson. When I was about 13 and visiting Paris, > I asked them both about it and they agreed that it was indeed true but > didn't want to talk about it. All my family died when I was young and > now there's no one left to ask. > > If any of you have a clue to this, I'd appreciate it if you'd let me > know........thanks...Diane > > > Diane Clover-Evans > "Roll with the stars and run with Orion...." > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

As I grew up, the family "mythology" was that our family was in some way connected or related to Andrew Jackson. As a kid, I was somewhat interested and looked up Andy and his family. He and Rachael had no kids, so I knew it wasn't a bloodline relationship. That pleased me because I understand that Jackson was a violent and contentious man, and I don't want to be connected to that. I've never been able to find a link, so I'll give the details I know for sure: my great grandfather was Captain Edmund Jackson (the missing link must be with him) I don't know which army he fought with but I think it might have been the Army of Tennessee (confederate) and he married Elizabeth Morton. They lived in or near Paris, and are buried in the Manleyville Cemetary near Paris. However his daughter, (Sarah Cook Jackson) my grandmother married Rush Clover from Indiana. All the Clovers were Union supporters, so either they were open minded or maybe he did fight for the north. I asked questions when I was young but never got answers. Everyone got quiet and uncomfortable and changed the subject. My dad had two cousins, Louise Butler and Alice Jackson. When I was about 13 and visiting Paris, I asked them both about it and they agreed that it was indeed true but didn't want to talk about it. All my family died when I was young and now there's no one left to ask. If any of you have a clue to this, I'd appreciate it if you'd let me know........thanks...Diane Diane Clover-Evans "Roll with the stars and run with Orion...."

July 10, 1805 A military court-martial finds Nashvillian, Colonel Thomas Butler, guilty of "mutinous conduct" for refusing to cut his hair. >From the book, "On This Day", by James A. Crutchfield ANYONE HAVE COL. THOMAS BUTLER AS AN ANCESTOR? Sounds like an interesting fellow. Didn't all men wear their hair long in 1805?

July 6, 1905 Fire destroys the Louisville and Nashville railroad shops. >From the book, "On This Day", by James A. Crutchfield

July 9, 1918 In what has been termed the worst railroad tragedy in United States history, more than one hundred (100) workers, predominantly Black, are killed near White Bridge Road as two passenger trains of the Nashville, Chattanooga, and St. Louis Railroad line hit head-on. >From the book, "On This Day", by James A. Crutchfield You can go to http://tennessee.gov/tsla/history/vital/tndeath.htm#index1918 and use your "Find" feature to search for Deaths on 7/9 in Davidson Co to find names of possible victims.

I am looking for data on Nancy Earhart married in Davidson Co Tenn. 3-8-1808 to Abner Cowgill b. 1789. Also would appreciate any help in finding out if they had children? Thanks,George _________________________________________________________________ See what you’re getting into…before you go there. http://newlivehotmail.com

There're some really good books on the subject. And, the History Channel on cable Tv has had many stories about that subject. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Hello, I am doing research on Civil War nurses associated with Union County, PA, during the Civil War. Hopefully I will connect with some of their descendants. I am interested in knowing about their service as nurses, did they receive a pension as the soldiers, photographs of them, location of their graves and perhaps a photograph of the gravestone, husbands, and children. ~ A few of the women served in Nashville. Melinda Spigelmeyer from Hartleton, Union Co, PA Born: March 7, 1830 Parents: Daniel and Hannah (Knouss) Spigelmeyer Husband: unknown Children: unknown She was a nurse in Washington, DC, but I do not know at which hospital Annabell "Annie" Vorse Father: Isaac Vorse Husband: Dennis Clark Date of marriage: April 14, 1869, Lewisburg, PA She had been a student at the Lewisburg Female Institute, where Bucknell University, Lewisburg, PA, now stands. She was a nurse at Hospital No. 3, Nashville, TN Died: September 1916 Buried: Lewisburg, PA Lida Houghton Father: John Houghton Date of marriage: May 28, 1866. Davidson Co., TN Husband: Edward A. Green of Mill Creek, Huntingdon, PA She was a nurse at Hospital No. 3, Nashville, TN, 1864-1865 She was also a school teacher in Nashville between 1865-1866 Died: August 1908 Buried: Lewisburg, PA Annie Bell Father: Rev. Adie K. Bell Date of marriage: September 14, 1865, Sabbath Rest, PA Husband: George S. Stubbs She was a nurse at Hospital No. 1, Nashville, TN, 1863-865. Also served in Frederick, MD She had been a student at the Lewisburg Female Institute, where Bucknell University, Lewisburg, PA, now stands. Died: 1916, Merion, PA Sara E. Dysart Cousin to Annie Bell Born at Tipton, PA, December 6, 1837 Parents: William and Elizabeth (Bell) Dysart She had been a student at the Lewisburg Female Institute, where Bucknell University, Lewisburg, PA, now stands. Died: February 1, 1909 She was nurse in Nashville, TN, but I do not know at which hospital Buried in a private cemetery near Tipton, Blair Co., PA Sallie Chamberlin Husband: Major C. F. Eccleston of Hollidaysburg, PA (No further information) Thanks, Sid