Greetings Tim et al. In Tim's message, there were some questions. I have tried to answer them. If I missed something, hollar at me. Tim Stowell wrote: > What do you propose for those CCs that don't approve of this incorporation? > What will be the status of their pages? --------------------------------------------------------------------- *** The incorporation effort would be carried out in a democratic way, each CC will have the right to vote. If the CCs decide to incorporate, then we would follow through with the submission of the Charter. As for those who vote with the minority, they would become part of the whole unit once the vote is completed. If the majority vote against incorporation, so be it. --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Will there be two USGenWeb pages > for that particular TN county, one sanctioned by your incorporation and one > not sanctioned? --------------------------------------------------------------------- *** Clarification: You say "your incorporation," in actuality, if completed it would become the CC's corporation. *** Answer: No. However Tim, you could withdraw your Hamilton/James pages and create a new system, or join an already existing site like "Tennessee Genealogy and History." If you become the new USGenWeb NC, you could lead a fight to have us and the KSGenWeb, Inc. thrown out of national. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > I believe the National Project is moving in the direction of internal state > controls as it has basically always been. It is trying to set up or lead > in the direction of setting up some sort of grievance procedures for those > who come into conflict with state guidelines. > > Why bring up this issue now? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Why not bring up the issue now? What are you afraid of? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Why not wait to see how the National Project > gets thru the election process and see if the bylaws pass before going > on this route? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- There are two reason why we should not wait: 1. The proposed USGenWeb Bylaws may not pass. The nonprofit aspects may be considerably weaken if this happens. 2. The proposed USGenWeb Bylaws may pass. To be charitable about those bylaws, I will only say that they were created in a *undemocratic* manner, they are full of flaws that would be hard to remedy, they do not serve the CCs, and they are offered by self appoined leaders on a "take it or leave it" basis. I could dissect those bylaws on a word for word, line for line basis, but this is the wrong list to do that. The USGENWEB-ALL-L is the place, however MANY folks did write to that list about the flaws in the proposed bylaws but were ignored. Now that the vote is ongoing, the die is cast. In any case, the issue here is the proposed incorporation of the TNGenWeb as a state nonprofit corporation. Not the proposed USGenWeb Project Bylaws. As this seems to be the end of the questions, color me gone. Respectfully, Fred Smoot > It may be of interest to some to know that the Page Police, as you call > them, were an idea that came out of the Kentucky project. While I do > believe we need some consistancy to show we are members of the same > project, I see no need of page police. As the State Coordinator for North > Dakota and Regional Coordinator for West Tennessee, I rarely 'police' my > CCs pages. I let them know when a link isn't working or make suggestions > to help them improve the visitor's experience when viewing their pages. > I've made mistakes in doing this with some CCs who didn't even know I was > the RC for their region and from misreading pages but I do mean to be > constructive and helpful to them instead of being a pain. As a CC myself, > I do appreciate others who comment about my pages. I realize that I see > my pages with rose colored glasses and need someone else with a different > view to tell what works and what doesn't. > > > Tim Stowell tstowell@mccallie.org > The McCallie School 423.493.5604 (voice) > Chattanooga, TN 37404 423.493.5656 (fax) > > At 12:46 AM 7/11/98 -0700, Fred Smoot wrote: > >Greetings fellow CCs, > > > >After the basic Charter is approved, we (all CCs), would have the > >opportunity to contribute to a fair and equitable set of Bylaws. Next, > >the Bylaws would need to be approved by a majority of the CCs. We would > >then be governed by the rules WE create, rather than being subject to > >outside intervention. > > >Please note, there is nothing in this act of our incorporation that > >would change our relationship with USGenWeb Project. As long as the > >USGenWeb Project met OUR standards of free online nonprofit genealogy, > >there would probably never be a need for change. > > > >Before submitting the Charter, we need to hear from you. Please post > >your reply to this list so we all can share. We need to remain a team, > >and keep our three stars shining above the rest. > > What do you propose for those CCs that don't approve of this incorporation? > What will be the status of their pages? Will there be two USGenWeb pages > for that particular TN county, one sanctioned by your incorporation and one > not sanctioned? > > I believe the National Project is moving in the direction of internal state > controls as it has basically always been. It is trying to set up or lead > in the direction of setting up some sort of grievance procedures for those > who come into conflict with state guidelines. > > Why bring up this issue now? Why not wait to see how the National Project > gets thru the election process and see if the bylaws pass before going on > this route? > > It may be of interest to some to know that the Page Police, as you call > them, were an idea that came out of the Kentucky project. While I do > believe we need some consistancy to show we are members of the same > project, I see no need of page police. As the State Coordinator for North > Dakota and Regional Coordinator for West Tennessee, I rarely 'police' my > CCs pages. I let them know when a link isn't working or make suggestions > to help them improve the visitor's experience when viewing their pages. > I've made mistakes in doing this with some CCs who didn't even know I was > the RC for their region and from misreading pages but I do mean to be > constructive and helpful to them instead of being a pain. As a CC myself, > I do appreciate others who comment about my pages. I realize that I see > my pages with rose colored glasses and need someone else with a different > view to tell what works and what doesn't. > > > Tim Stowell tstowell@mccallie.org > The McCallie School 423.493.5604 (voice) > Chattanooga, TN 37404 423.493.5656 (fax) > > > > ==== TNGEN Mailing List ==== > > Be sure to send your updates to this mailing list to be > included on the "What's New" page. -- <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> Fred Smoot, Patty Sokolecki Smoot; Dog Trot X Press Art, Graphics, Maps, Panoramic Photography. ~^~^~^~^~^~^~ Fred's Projects ~^~^~^~^~^~^~ TNGenWeb; Special Projects Coordinator. 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