At 12:16 PM 7/13/98 -0400, you wrote: >At 02:14 PM 7/11/98, Mary Floy Katzman wrote: >>Bridgett, >> >>A response of 26 out of 110 isn't terribly low (that's almost 25%) >>concerning what name the TN CCs preferred for the official name. But this >>thread was stopped shortly after it started. > >Sorry but my math must be a bit rusty. I don't see how 25% of the >volunteers talking about incorporation is a groundswell of interest in this >subject. > >Tim Stowell, CC Hamilton/James > > Tim, I think 25% is a darn good start. But please remember that 26 out of 100 was just pertaining to the official name. Until we have a fair and open discussion and a democratic vote, we won't know the wishes of the majority of the CCs. Tennessee is known as the Volunteer State, but our ancestors didn't volunteer blindly nor did they follow blindly. Our ancestors were free thinking, independent people looking for a place where they could be themselves and live the best way they could. Our history bears this out. How can we ask or expect less of ourselves. Mary Floy

tim, Lets take this to the TNCHAT-L list. Bridgett prefers we discuss politics there not on this list. If anyone wants to subscribe to the TNCHAT-L list, please contact Bridgett and ask her to subscribe you. Mary Floy At 12:16 PM 7/13/98 -0400, Tim Stowell wrote: >At 02:14 PM 7/11/98, Mary Floy Katzman wrote: >>Bridgett, >> >>A response of 26 out of 110 isn't terribly low (that's almost 25%) >>concerning what name the TN CCs preferred for the official name. But this >>thread was stopped shortly after it started. > >Sorry but my math must be a bit rusty. I don't see how 25% of the >volunteers talking about incorporation is a groundswell of interest in this >subject. > >Tim Stowell, CC Hamilton/James > > >==== TNGEN Mailing List ==== > >Be sure to send your updates to this mailing list to be >included on the "What's New" page. > > > Mary Floy Katzman Framingham, Massachusetts maryfloy@mkatzman.tiac.net ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Johnson County, TN Genealogy http://www.tiac.net/users/mkatzman/jct/johnmain.html List Owner of the TNJOHNSO-L mail list. To subscribe send a message to: "majordomo@rootsquest.com" and in the message write: "subscribe tnjohnso-l" or "subscribe tnjohnso-l-digest" Please do not use the quotes. "If God doesn't call your name until your work on earth is finished, then I'm never going to die."

Works in Calfornia. Fred >>> Athol K Foster wrote: > > Just checking to see if I have been added to this list yet. > > Athol > **************************************************************************** > ******** > > Athol K. Foster > Coordinator for Dekalb Co., Tn. > TNGenWeb > <http://www.tngenweb.org/dekalb/> > My Home Page: > "Fosters in DeKalb County, Tennessee" > <http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ranch/3627>

Just checking to see if I have been added to this list yet. Athol **************************************************************************** ******** Athol K. Foster Coordinator for Dekalb Co., Tn. TNGenWeb <http://www.tngenweb.org/dekalb/> My Home Page: "Fosters in DeKalb County, Tennessee" <http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ranch/3627>

You're here. Bridgett On 12 Jul 98 at 11:35, TNCHAT-L@rootsweb.com wrote: > Just checking to see if I have been added to this list yet. > > Athol > **************************************************************************** > ******** > > Athol K. Foster > Coordinator for Dekalb Co., Tn. > TNGenWeb > <http://www.tngenweb.org/dekalb/> > My Home Page: > "Fosters in DeKalb County, Tennessee" > <http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ranch/3627> > > > ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ Bridgett Smith TNGenWeb State Coordinator http://www.tngenweb.org/

Greetings Tim et al. In Tim's message, there were some questions. I have tried to answer them. If I missed something, hollar at me. Tim Stowell wrote: > What do you propose for those CCs that don't approve of this incorporation? > What will be the status of their pages? --------------------------------------------------------------------- *** The incorporation effort would be carried out in a democratic way, each CC will have the right to vote. If the CCs decide to incorporate, then we would follow through with the submission of the Charter. As for those who vote with the minority, they would become part of the whole unit once the vote is completed. If the majority vote against incorporation, so be it. --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Will there be two USGenWeb pages > for that particular TN county, one sanctioned by your incorporation and one > not sanctioned? --------------------------------------------------------------------- *** Clarification: You say "your incorporation," in actuality, if completed it would become the CC's corporation. *** Answer: No. However Tim, you could withdraw your Hamilton/James pages and create a new system, or join an already existing site like "Tennessee Genealogy and History." If you become the new USGenWeb NC, you could lead a fight to have us and the KSGenWeb, Inc. thrown out of national. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > I believe the National Project is moving in the direction of internal state > controls as it has basically always been. It is trying to set up or lead > in the direction of setting up some sort of grievance procedures for those > who come into conflict with state guidelines. > > Why bring up this issue now? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Why not bring up the issue now? What are you afraid of? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Why not wait to see how the National Project > gets thru the election process and see if the bylaws pass before going > on this route? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- There are two reason why we should not wait: 1. The proposed USGenWeb Bylaws may not pass. The nonprofit aspects may be considerably weaken if this happens. 2. The proposed USGenWeb Bylaws may pass. To be charitable about those bylaws, I will only say that they were created in a *undemocratic* manner, they are full of flaws that would be hard to remedy, they do not serve the CCs, and they are offered by self appoined leaders on a "take it or leave it" basis. I could dissect those bylaws on a word for word, line for line basis, but this is the wrong list to do that. The USGENWEB-ALL-L is the place, however MANY folks did write to that list about the flaws in the proposed bylaws but were ignored. Now that the vote is ongoing, the die is cast. In any case, the issue here is the proposed incorporation of the TNGenWeb as a state nonprofit corporation. Not the proposed USGenWeb Project Bylaws. As this seems to be the end of the questions, color me gone. Respectfully, Fred Smoot > It may be of interest to some to know that the Page Police, as you call > them, were an idea that came out of the Kentucky project. While I do > believe we need some consistancy to show we are members of the same > project, I see no need of page police. As the State Coordinator for North > Dakota and Regional Coordinator for West Tennessee, I rarely 'police' my > CCs pages. I let them know when a link isn't working or make suggestions > to help them improve the visitor's experience when viewing their pages. > I've made mistakes in doing this with some CCs who didn't even know I was > the RC for their region and from misreading pages but I do mean to be > constructive and helpful to them instead of being a pain. As a CC myself, > I do appreciate others who comment about my pages. I realize that I see > my pages with rose colored glasses and need someone else with a different > view to tell what works and what doesn't. > > > Tim Stowell tstowell@mccallie.org > The McCallie School 423.493.5604 (voice) > Chattanooga, TN 37404 423.493.5656 (fax) > > At 12:46 AM 7/11/98 -0700, Fred Smoot wrote: > >Greetings fellow CCs, > > > >After the basic Charter is approved, we (all CCs), would have the > >opportunity to contribute to a fair and equitable set of Bylaws. Next, > >the Bylaws would need to be approved by a majority of the CCs. We would > >then be governed by the rules WE create, rather than being subject to > >outside intervention. > > >Please note, there is nothing in this act of our incorporation that > >would change our relationship with USGenWeb Project. As long as the > >USGenWeb Project met OUR standards of free online nonprofit genealogy, > >there would probably never be a need for change. > > > >Before submitting the Charter, we need to hear from you. Please post > >your reply to this list so we all can share. We need to remain a team, > >and keep our three stars shining above the rest. > > What do you propose for those CCs that don't approve of this incorporation? > What will be the status of their pages? Will there be two USGenWeb pages > for that particular TN county, one sanctioned by your incorporation and one > not sanctioned? > > I believe the National Project is moving in the direction of internal state > controls as it has basically always been. It is trying to set up or lead > in the direction of setting up some sort of grievance procedures for those > who come into conflict with state guidelines. > > Why bring up this issue now? Why not wait to see how the National Project > gets thru the election process and see if the bylaws pass before going on > this route? > > It may be of interest to some to know that the Page Police, as you call > them, were an idea that came out of the Kentucky project. While I do > believe we need some consistancy to show we are members of the same > project, I see no need of page police. As the State Coordinator for North > Dakota and Regional Coordinator for West Tennessee, I rarely 'police' my > CCs pages. I let them know when a link isn't working or make suggestions > to help them improve the visitor's experience when viewing their pages. > I've made mistakes in doing this with some CCs who didn't even know I was > the RC for their region and from misreading pages but I do mean to be > constructive and helpful to them instead of being a pain. As a CC myself, > I do appreciate others who comment about my pages. I realize that I see > my pages with rose colored glasses and need someone else with a different > view to tell what works and what doesn't. > > > Tim Stowell tstowell@mccallie.org > The McCallie School 423.493.5604 (voice) > Chattanooga, TN 37404 423.493.5656 (fax) > > > > ==== TNGEN Mailing List ==== > > Be sure to send your updates to this mailing list to be > included on the "What's New" page. -- <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> Fred Smoot, Patty Sokolecki Smoot; Dog Trot X Press Art, Graphics, Maps, Panoramic Photography. ~^~^~^~^~^~^~ Fred's Projects ~^~^~^~^~^~^~ TNGenWeb; Special Projects Coordinator. Middle Tennessee Genealogical Society, WebMaster: http://www.dogtrot.com/mtgs/ TNGenWeb; Letters from Forgotten Ancestors: http://www.tngenweb.org/tnletters/ TNGenWeb; First People of Tennessee: Cherokee & Chickasaw Nations http://www.tngenweb.org/tnfirst/ TNGenWeb; People of Color in Old Tennessee http://www.tngenweb.org/tncolor/ TNGenWeb; The Maps Our Ancestors Followed: http://www.tngenweb.org/maps/ TNGenWeb; The Land of Our Ancestors: http://www.tngenweb.org/tnland/ Warren County Genealogical Association, WebMaster http://www.dogtrot.com/wcga/ TNGenWeb; Warren County Tennessee Homepage: http://www.tngenweb.org/warren/

There are only 13 subscribers to this list, Tim isn't one of them. I sent in a subscription for Athol about 3 hours ago, and just checked the list, he wasn't on it, so I put him on it again. ::sigh:: Just thought you'd like to know. B. On 11 Jul 98 at 15:13, TNCHAT-L@rootsweb.com wrote: > Greetings Tim et al. > > In Tim's message, there were some questions. I have tried to answer > them. If I missed something, hollar at me. > > ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ Bridgett Smith TNGenWeb State Coordinator http://www.tngenweb.org/

On Thu, 9 Jul 1998 00:04:28 +0000, you wrote: >So far only 9 folks. > >Bridgett Nine people can get a lot of talking done. Nadine Hensley

On Wed, 08 Jul 1998 23:21:51, you wrote: >Hi, > >Is anybody out there? I haven't seen any messages and I'm just wondering. > >Mary Floy Mary, I'm here in HOT ARkansas. What are we to chat about? I guess genealogy and stuff. Are you involved in any of the TN County pages. I have Lewis Co.,TN I love TN my gr and grgr are fom there. Greene county and Knox Co, My husband is the connection to Lewis Co., Nadine Hensley

Hello Mary! Yes, I read you! Your messages are coming through just fine! SO far I see about 4 people on this list. LeeAnn -----Original Message----- From: Mary Floy Katzman <maryfloy@mkatzman.tiac.net> To: TNCHAT-L@rootsweb.com <TNCHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Wednesday, July 08, 1998 8:19 PM Subject: [TNCHAT-L] Hello? >Hi, > >Is anybody out there? I haven't seen any messages and I'm just wondering. > >Mary Floy >

Hey Fred... are you connected to the Lincoln Co Smoots? George of Lincoln On 8 Jul 98 at 20:45, TNCHAT-L@rootsweb.com wrote: > Mary Floy Katzman wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > Is anybody out there? I haven't seen any messages and I'm just wondering. > > > > Mary Floy > > Works in California. > > Your message is the first I have seen on this list . . . > > Fred Smoot >

Hi there, The Wyoming branch of Tennessee is also here. Nancy On Wed, 8 Jul 1998, Fred Smoot wrote: > Mary Floy Katzman wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > Is anybody out there? I haven't seen any messages and I'm just wondering. > > > > Mary Floy > > Works in California. > > Your message is the first I have seen on this list . . . > > Fred Smoot > >

I think you are #1 :-)) And by the way, should we address you as "Mary" or "Mary Floy" ? George of Lincoln On 8 Jul 98 at 23:21, TNCHAT-L@rootsweb.com wrote: > Hi, > > Is anybody out there? I haven't seen any messages and I'm just wondering. > > Mary Floy >

George, If you are counting the part of Lincoln that is now Moore, the answer is yes. Daniel Smoot, buried in Pioneer Cemetery, near Lynchburg. Daniel is brother to my gg grandfather. Fred George Waller wrote: > > Hey Fred... are you connected to the Lincoln Co Smoots? > George of Lincoln > > On 8 Jul 98 at 20:45, TNCHAT-L@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > Mary Floy Katzman wrote: > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > Is anybody out there? I haven't seen any messages and I'm just wondering. > > > > > > Mary Floy > > > > Works in California. > > > > Your message is the first I have seen on this list . . . > > > > Fred Smoot > > -- <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> <-> Fred Smoot, Patty Sokolecki Smoot; Dog Trot X Press Art, Graphics, Maps, Panoramic Photography. ~^~^~^~^~^~^~ Fred's Projects ~^~^~^~^~^~^~ TNGenWeb; Special Projects Coordinator. Middle Tennessee Genealogical Society, WebMaster: http://www.dogtrot.com/mtgs/ TNGenWeb; Letters from Forgotten Ancestors: http://www.tngenweb.org/tnletters/ TNGenWeb; First People of Tennessee: Cherokee & Chickasaw Nations http://www.tngenweb.org/tnfirst/ TNGenWeb; People of Color in Old Tennessee http://www.tngenweb.org/tncolor/ TNGenWeb; The Maps Our Ancestors Followed: http://www.tngenweb.org/maps/ TNGenWeb; The Land of Our Ancestors: http://www.tngenweb.org/tnland/ Warren County Genealogical Association, WebMaster http://www.dogtrot.com/wcga/ TNGenWeb; Warren County Tennessee Homepage: http://www.tngenweb.org/warren/

Mary Floy Katzman wrote: > > Hi, > > Is anybody out there? I haven't seen any messages and I'm just wondering. > > Mary Floy Works in California. Your message is the first I have seen on this list . . . Fred Smoot

Not many people are subscribed to this list yet. Some of the folks that would want to be on the list are on vacation, so time will tell. So far only 9 folks. Bridgett ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ Bridgett Smith TNGenWeb State Coordinator http://www.tngenweb.org/

Hi, Is anybody out there? I haven't seen any messages and I'm just wondering. Mary Floy