This is not meant to sound in any way offensive but isn't it ironic that the property on which Central State Psychiatric Hospital stood is now Dell Computers!! Mari At 08:57 PM 7/19/00 -0700, you wrote: >TNCHAT-D Digest Volume 00 : Issue 49 > >Today's Topics: > #1 Re: [TNCHAT] POORHOUSE Info ["Renea Burkholder" <grburk@usit.ne] > #2 Re: [TNCHAT] POORHOUSE Info [Cheryl & Mark Zelek <zelek@mindspr] > #3 [TNCHAT] Poorhouse stuff [allenjm@bellsouth.net] > #4 Re: [TNCHAT] POORHOUSE Info [Fred Smoot <dogtrot@well.com>] > >Administrivia: >To unsubscribe from TNCHAT-D, send a message to > > TNCHAT-D-request@rootsweb.com > >that contains in the body of the message the command > > unsubscribe > >and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software >requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. >Complete rules for TnChat may be found at: >http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnunion/tnchat > > >______________________________X-Message: #1 >Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 11:04:48 -0500 >From: "Renea Burkholder" <grburk@usit.net> >To: TNCHAT-L@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <01b101bff19b$11726dc0$c79a50d8@grburk.usit.net> >Subject: Re: [TNCHAT] POORHOUSE Info >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Hope this is not too serious for this list, but... >At the archives in Nashville a few days back I was looking at the Central >State Psych. Hosp microfilm. Found some info on Perry County people, took >notes and then asked a question of one of the workers there - Marilyn, if >you frequent. I noticed no Decatur or Henderson co folks, in fact it >appeared no counties west of TN river. Knowing of the existence of Bolivar, >I wondered if perhaps those living in west TN were sent there rather than >Central State. That was my question and I was hit with where did you find >those records? ( had already gestured with the 1 microfilm roll I had as I >had asked, so there was no bluffing my way out of an honest answer) Bottom >line all 6 or 8 rolls were pulled, they were not public information. Then >the conversation continued - poorhouse records should not be released >either, how embarrassing for family members, etc. And I thought, well what >about bastardy suits in court, the courtcase I read ( 1920's) where a father >was bringing suit for daughter allegedly raped and several witnesses gave >testimony with detail of the girl's seduction or trying to seduce them and >the suit was dropped. The mention in court records of 1 murdering another, >children putting out on bond to others because their father was neglecting >them. These do not have to be recent records. The negligent father was late >1700's in east TN. >I would prefer that all my ancestors were marvelously moral, upright, >outstanding members of their communities, but that is not reality. And once >we begin suppressing information, where do we draw the line? What is >embarrassing to me might not be to you and visa-versa. >I would prefer to learn that my lost ancestor was bound out and living with >another family than to constantly have a brick wall! >Well, my opinion probably makes no difference, but I feel better! >Renea >grburk@usit.net >TNGenWeb County Coordinator for Decatur Co, TN >http://www.netease.net/decatur >TNGenWeb County Coordinator for Perry Co, TN >http://www.netease.net/perry >Listowner Decatur, Henderson, Perry Cos, TN >TNDECATU-L-request@rootsweb.com >Listowner Liston surname >LISTON-L-request@rootsweb.com >Listowner Rains surname >RAINS-L-request@rootsweb.com >-----Original Message----- >From: Poor House Lady <phlady@jump.net> >To: TNCHAT-L@rootsweb.com <TNCHAT-L@rootsweb.com> >Date: Wednesday, July 19, 2000 10:27 AM >Subject: [TNCHAT] POORHOUSE Info > > >>Wow! Tennessee has an absolutely incredible amount of on-line information >>about poorhouses. I recently published a new website called The POORHOUSE >>STORY which is a clearinghouse for information about 19th century American >>Poorhouses at http://www.poorhousestory.com >> >>On our page where viewers can go to find poorhouse information by state >>http://www.poorhousestory.com/houses.htm we just sang your praises!! >> >>To see what we have listed so far for Tennessee ... just click on OTHER >>STATES to get a table and then click on TENNESSEE and you will be taken to >>http://www.poorhousestory.com/poorhouses_in_tennessee.htm >> >>Your comments are welcomed ... I am new at this web-publishing business >><grin> ... and your comments are NEEDED. The site will only develop through >>the submissions of folks like you listers. Volunteers are also needed to >>transcribe existing information for posting. >> >>If you are interested in the historical or sociological implications of the >>poorhouse system, you will find TONS of info to explore. But if your >>interest is strictly genealogical, you may be most interested in the >RECORDS >>page or the CEMETERY page -- as well as your own State page. >> >>Please do NOT respond to me through this list. (I would get FIRED and/or >>SUED by my ISP if I maintained subscriptions to all the e-mail lists to >>which I am posting this announcement!) Please respond off-list ... or I may >>miss your post. >> >>Happy Hunting! >>Linda Crannell >>(aka=The Poorhouse Lady) >> >> >>==== TNCHAT Mailing List ==== >>To subscribe or unsubscribe to this list please visit: >>http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnunion/tnchat >>This list is generously donated by Rootsweb for our use. >>Complete rules for TnChat may be found at: >>http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnunion/tnchat >> >> > >______________________________X-Message: #2 >Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 13:29:07 -0400 >From: Cheryl & Mark Zelek <zelek@mindspring.com> >To: TNCHAT-L@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <3975E563.299D5DB4@mindspring.com> >Subject: Re: [TNCHAT] POORHOUSE Info >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >On Saturday, Mark and I were researching my Kirkman line. This particular >branch had ventured into the Scott Co-Morgan Co, IL area. As I scrolled through >the both the 1850 and 1860 censuses I found several pages of census data on the >Morgan Co poorhouse and the Morgan Co Insane Asylum (along with several Kirkmans >in both places). Depending on the year, wouldn't htat infomration become public >(like the 72 year census rule)? > >Cheryl > >Renea Burkholder wrote: > >> Hope this is not too serious for this list, but... >> At the archives in Nashville a few days back I was looking at the Central >> State Psych. Hosp microfilm. Found some info on Perry County people, took >> notes and then asked a question of one of the workers there - Marilyn, if >> you frequent. I noticed no Decatur or Henderson co folks, in fact it >> appeared no counties west of TN river. Knowing of the existence of Bolivar, >> I wondered if perhaps those living in west TN were sent there rather than >> Central State. That was my question and I was hit with where did you find >> those records? ( had already gestured with the 1 microfilm roll I had as I >> had asked, so there was no bluffing my way out of an honest answer) Bottom >> line all 6 or 8 rolls were pulled, they were not public information. Then >> the conversation continued - poorhouse records should not be released >> either, how embarrassing for family members, etc. And I thought, well what >> about bastardy suits in court, the courtcase I read ( 1920's) where a father >> was bringing suit for daughter allegedly raped and several witnesses gave >> testimony with detail of the girl's seduction or trying to seduce them and >> the suit was dropped. The mention in court records of 1 murdering another, >> children putting out on bond to others because their father was neglecting >> them. These do not have to be recent records. The negligent father was late >> 1700's in east TN. >> I would prefer that all my ancestors were marvelously moral, upright, >> outstanding members of their communities, but that is not reality. And once >> we begin suppressing information, where do we draw the line? What is >> embarrassing to me might not be to you and visa-versa. >> I would prefer to learn that my lost ancestor was bound out and living with >> another family than to constantly have a brick wall! >> Well, my opinion probably makes no difference, but I feel better! >> Renea >> grburk@usit.net >> TNGenWeb County Coordinator for Decatur Co, TN >> http://www.netease.net/decatur >> TNGenWeb County Coordinator for Perry Co, TN >> http://www.netease.net/perry >> Listowner Decatur, Henderson, Perry Cos, TN >> TNDECATU-L-request@rootsweb.com >> Listowner Liston surname >> LISTON-L-request@rootsweb.com >> Listowner Rains surname >> RAINS-L-request@rootsweb.com >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Poor House Lady <phlady@jump.net> >> To: TNCHAT-L@rootsweb.com <TNCHAT-L@rootsweb.com> >> Date: Wednesday, July 19, 2000 10:27 AM >> Subject: [TNCHAT] POORHOUSE Info >> >> >Wow! Tennessee has an absolutely incredible amount of on-line information >> >about poorhouses. I recently published a new website called The POORHOUSE >> >STORY which is a clearinghouse for information about 19th century American >> >Poorhouses at http://www.poorhousestory.com >> > >> >On our page where viewers can go to find poorhouse information by state >> >http://www.poorhousestory.com/houses.htm we just sang your praises!! >> > >> >To see what we have listed so far for Tennessee ... just click on OTHER >> >STATES to get a table and then click on TENNESSEE and you will be taken to >> >http://www.poorhousestory.com/poorhouses_in_tennessee.htm >> > >> >Your comments are welcomed ... I am new at this web-publishing business >> ><grin> ... and your comments are NEEDED. The site will only develop through >> >the submissions of folks like you listers. Volunteers are also needed to >> >transcribe existing information for posting. >> > >> >If you are interested in the historical or sociological implications of the >> >poorhouse system, you will find TONS of info to explore. But if your >> >interest is strictly genealogical, you may be most interested in the >> RECORDS >> >page or the CEMETERY page -- as well as your own State page. >> > >> >Please do NOT respond to me through this list. (I would get FIRED and/or >> >SUED by my ISP if I maintained subscriptions to all the e-mail lists to >> >which I am posting this announcement!) Please respond off-list ... or I may >> >miss your post. >> > >> >Happy Hunting! >> >Linda Crannell >> >(aka=The Poorhouse Lady) >> > >> > >> >==== TNCHAT Mailing List ==== >> >To subscribe or unsubscribe to this list please visit: >> >http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnunion/tnchat >> >This list is generously donated by Rootsweb for our use. >> >Complete rules for TnChat may be found at: >> >http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnunion/tnchat >> > >> > >> >> ==== TNCHAT Mailing List ==== >> To subscribe or unsubscribe to this list please visit: >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnunion/tnchat >> This list is generously donated by Rootsweb for our use. >> Complete rules for TnChat may be found at: >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnunion/tnchat > >______________________________X-Message: #3 >Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 14:01:43 -0500 >From: allenjm@bellsouth.net >To: TNCHAT-L@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <3975FB17.AB107BA4@bellsouth.net> >Subject: [TNCHAT] Poorhouse stuff >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >My whole family on the maternal side once lived in the Poorhouse. > >Grandaddy ran it - he bid two oxen, one wagon, two plow horses and a >milk cow to get the job. My mother and her two sisters and >two brothers helped with the chores along with grandaddy and granny. > >He ran it for two years on his bid and then was outbid by another >fellow who had two milk cows to offer. But he got back in the next term >cause the other guy's cows went dry. My third uncle was >born in the Poorhouse. > >This was all back in the early 1900's and all are gone now but I can >still look out my bedroom window, across the river and see where it >stood. The property is now owned by John and Louise >(Mandrell) Haywood. He a descendant of the historian that wrote >of early Tennessee history. They have had erected a 40' high white >cross on the hillside where the Poorhouse was located and it is lit up >at night and can bee seen for miles. > >I probably wouldn't know any of this had I not found it in the County >Court Minutes. It was never discussed by anyone in my family that >I can remember but when I found it and asked my mother about it, she >really unloaded on me what a wonderful time they all had living >in the Poorhouse. Seems I recall from the Court Minutes that the >Poorhouse Budget was something like $750.00 a year on average, >which included salary and care of the poor. Medical treatments were >paid for with farm produce like cabbage, potatoes, corn, ham, etc.. I >remember a sulphur well there that my Dad used to >take us to once a month for a cure-all 1/2 pint drink from a community >fruit jar. (ugh) But he never mentioned anything about >Mother's family having lived there. > >There was another well there also that contained mineral waters that >were supposed to contain curative ingredients which was at >one time shipped out all over the country and sold on passing trains. > > >Rsp. Jim > >______________________________X-Message: #4 >Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 15:10:24 -0700 >From: Fred Smoot <dogtrot@well.com> >To: TNCHAT-L@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <39762750.7C51@well.com> >Subject: Re: [TNCHAT] POORHOUSE Info >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Hi Renea et al, > >Somewhere in my stack of papers, I have a note that TSLA has some >records that are closed to the public. They are mental health records. > >Some states do have pre-1920 records open to the public. Here is an >example from Indiana: > >http://www.ai.org/icpr/webfile/csh_aiin/chs_col2.html > >Perhaps there is a Tennessee law that prohibits the release of those >records. > >The Nashville "Tennessee State Hospital for the Insane," changed its >name to "Central State Psychiatric Hospital." I have a gg-grandfather >who was an inmate there. I never could find the grave. But he is on the >1880 TN mortality schedule and shown as dying at the hospital in 1879. > >Fred Smoot > >PS. Back in 1999, someone stole the gates from the old hospital. > >http://www.tennessean.com/sii/99/09/18/gates18.shtml > >This article states that 1,600 are buried there. Does anyone know if the >cemetery has been surveyed? > >**** > >Renea Burkholder wrote: >> >> Hope this is not too serious for this list, but... >> At the archives in Nashville a few days back I was looking at the Central >> State Psych. Hosp microfilm. Found some info on Perry County people, took >> notes and then asked a question of one of the workers there - Marilyn, if >> you frequent. I noticed no Decatur or Henderson co folks, in fact it >> appeared no counties west of TN river. Knowing of the existence of Bolivar, >> I wondered if perhaps those living in west TN were sent there rather than >> Central State. That was my question and I was hit with where did you find >> those records? ( had already gestured with the 1 microfilm roll I had as I >> had asked, so there was no bluffing my way out of an honest answer) Bottom >> line all 6 or 8 rolls were pulled, they were not public information. Then >> the conversation continued - poorhouse records should not be released >> either, how embarrassing for family members, etc. And I thought, well what >> about bastardy suits in court, the courtcase I read ( 1920's) where a father >> was bringing suit for daughter allegedly raped and several witnesses gave >> testimony with detail of the girl's seduction or trying to seduce them and >> the suit was dropped. The mention in court records of 1 murdering another, >> children putting out on bond to others because their father was neglecting >> them. These do not have to be recent records. The negligent father was late >> 1700's in east TN. >> I would prefer that all my ancestors were marvelously moral, upright, >> outstanding members of their communities, but that is not reality. And once >> we begin suppressing information, where do we draw the line? What is >> embarrassing to me might not be to you and visa-versa. >> I would prefer to learn that my lost ancestor was bound out and living with >> another family than to constantly have a brick wall! >> Well, my opinion probably makes no difference, but I feel better! >> Renea >> grburk@usit.net >> TNGenWeb County Coordinator for Decatur Co, TN >> http://www.netease.net/decatur >> TNGenWeb County Coordinator for Perry Co, TN >> http://www.netease.net/perry >> Listowner Decatur, Henderson, Perry Cos, TN >> TNDECATU-L-request@rootsweb.com >> Listowner Liston surname >> LISTON-L-request@rootsweb.com >> Listowner Rains surname >> RAINS-L-request@rootsweb.com >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Poor House Lady <phlady@jump.net> >> To: TNCHAT-L@rootsweb.com <TNCHAT-L@rootsweb.com> >> Date: Wednesday, July 19, 2000 10:27 AM >> Subject: [TNCHAT] POORHOUSE Info >> >> >Wow! Tennessee has an absolutely incredible amount of on-line information >> >about poorhouses. I recently published a new website called The POORHOUSE >> >STORY which is a clearinghouse for information about 19th century American >> >Poorhouses at http://www.poorhousestory.com >> > >> >On our page where viewers can go to find poorhouse information by state >> >http://www.poorhousestory.com/houses.htm we just sang your praises!! >> > >> >To see what we have listed so far for Tennessee ... just click on OTHER >> >STATES to get a table and then click on TENNESSEE and you will be taken to >> >http://www.poorhousestory.com/poorhouses_in_tennessee.htm >> > >> >Your comments are welcomed ... I am new at this web-publishing business >> ><grin> ... and your comments are NEEDED. The site will only develop through >> >the submissions of folks like you listers. Volunteers are also needed to >> >transcribe existing information for posting. >> > >> >If you are interested in the historical or sociological implications of the >> >poorhouse system, you will find TONS of info to explore. But if your >> >interest is strictly genealogical, you may be most interested in the >> RECORDS >> >page or the CEMETERY page -- as well as your own State page. >> > >> >Please do NOT respond to me through this list. (I would get FIRED and/or >> >SUED by my ISP if I maintained subscriptions to all the e-mail lists to >> >which I am posting this announcement!) Please respond off-list ... or I may >> >miss your post. >> > >> >Happy Hunting! >> >Linda Crannell >> >(aka=The Poorhouse Lady) >> > >

Couldn't the liquid from the first boiling of Poke Sallet be used to fertilize some flowers or other plants??????? ----- Original Message ----- From: <allenjm@bellsouth.net> . > > Now if someone could only figure out what the best use for the > liquid from the first boiling of Poke Sallet is................???? > (Seems a waste just to throw it out--even Mikey don't like it) > > Rsp. Jim Allen > > P.S. Just read in a trivial e-mail that the only item 'Elvis' ever > advertised on TV was a commercial for "Southern Made Donuts" back in > 1954. > > > ==== TNCHAT Mailing List ==== > To subscribe or unsubscribe to this list please visit: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnunion/tnchat > This list is generously donated by Rootsweb for our use. > Complete rules for TnChat may be found at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnunion/tnchat > >

Hi Renea et al, Somewhere in my stack of papers, I have a note that TSLA has some records that are closed to the public. They are mental health records. Some states do have pre-1920 records open to the public. Here is an example from Indiana: http://www.ai.org/icpr/webfile/csh_aiin/chs_col2.html Perhaps there is a Tennessee law that prohibits the release of those records. The Nashville "Tennessee State Hospital for the Insane," changed its name to "Central State Psychiatric Hospital." I have a gg-grandfather who was an inmate there. I never could find the grave. But he is on the 1880 TN mortality schedule and shown as dying at the hospital in 1879. Fred Smoot PS. Back in 1999, someone stole the gates from the old hospital. http://www.tennessean.com/sii/99/09/18/gates18.shtml This article states that 1,600 are buried there. Does anyone know if the cemetery has been surveyed? **** Renea Burkholder wrote: > > Hope this is not too serious for this list, but... > At the archives in Nashville a few days back I was looking at the Central > State Psych. Hosp microfilm. Found some info on Perry County people, took > notes and then asked a question of one of the workers there - Marilyn, if > you frequent. I noticed no Decatur or Henderson co folks, in fact it > appeared no counties west of TN river. Knowing of the existence of Bolivar, > I wondered if perhaps those living in west TN were sent there rather than > Central State. That was my question and I was hit with where did you find > those records? ( had already gestured with the 1 microfilm roll I had as I > had asked, so there was no bluffing my way out of an honest answer) Bottom > line all 6 or 8 rolls were pulled, they were not public information. Then > the conversation continued - poorhouse records should not be released > either, how embarrassing for family members, etc. And I thought, well what > about bastardy suits in court, the courtcase I read ( 1920's) where a father > was bringing suit for daughter allegedly raped and several witnesses gave > testimony with detail of the girl's seduction or trying to seduce them and > the suit was dropped. The mention in court records of 1 murdering another, > children putting out on bond to others because their father was neglecting > them. These do not have to be recent records. The negligent father was late > 1700's in east TN. > I would prefer that all my ancestors were marvelously moral, upright, > outstanding members of their communities, but that is not reality. And once > we begin suppressing information, where do we draw the line? What is > embarrassing to me might not be to you and visa-versa. > I would prefer to learn that my lost ancestor was bound out and living with > another family than to constantly have a brick wall! > Well, my opinion probably makes no difference, but I feel better! > Renea > grburk@usit.net > TNGenWeb County Coordinator for Decatur Co, TN > http://www.netease.net/decatur > TNGenWeb County Coordinator for Perry Co, TN > http://www.netease.net/perry > Listowner Decatur, Henderson, Perry Cos, TN > TNDECATU-L-request@rootsweb.com > Listowner Liston surname > LISTON-L-request@rootsweb.com > Listowner Rains surname > RAINS-L-request@rootsweb.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Poor House Lady <phlady@jump.net> > To: TNCHAT-L@rootsweb.com <TNCHAT-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: Wednesday, July 19, 2000 10:27 AM > Subject: [TNCHAT] POORHOUSE Info > > >Wow! Tennessee has an absolutely incredible amount of on-line information > >about poorhouses. I recently published a new website called The POORHOUSE > >STORY which is a clearinghouse for information about 19th century American > >Poorhouses at http://www.poorhousestory.com > > > >On our page where viewers can go to find poorhouse information by state > >http://www.poorhousestory.com/houses.htm we just sang your praises!! > > > >To see what we have listed so far for Tennessee ... just click on OTHER > >STATES to get a table and then click on TENNESSEE and you will be taken to > >http://www.poorhousestory.com/poorhouses_in_tennessee.htm > > > >Your comments are welcomed ... I am new at this web-publishing business > ><grin> ... and your comments are NEEDED. The site will only develop through > >the submissions of folks like you listers. Volunteers are also needed to > >transcribe existing information for posting. > > > >If you are interested in the historical or sociological implications of the > >poorhouse system, you will find TONS of info to explore. But if your > >interest is strictly genealogical, you may be most interested in the > RECORDS > >page or the CEMETERY page -- as well as your own State page. > > > >Please do NOT respond to me through this list. (I would get FIRED and/or > >SUED by my ISP if I maintained subscriptions to all the e-mail lists to > >which I am posting this announcement!) Please respond off-list ... or I may > >miss your post. > > > >Happy Hunting! > >Linda Crannell > >(aka=The Poorhouse Lady) > >

My whole family on the maternal side once lived in the Poorhouse. Grandaddy ran it - he bid two oxen, one wagon, two plow horses and a milk cow to get the job. My mother and her two sisters and two brothers helped with the chores along with grandaddy and granny. He ran it for two years on his bid and then was outbid by another fellow who had two milk cows to offer. But he got back in the next term cause the other guy's cows went dry. My third uncle was born in the Poorhouse. This was all back in the early 1900's and all are gone now but I can still look out my bedroom window, across the river and see where it stood. The property is now owned by John and Louise (Mandrell) Haywood. He a descendant of the historian that wrote of early Tennessee history. They have had erected a 40' high white cross on the hillside where the Poorhouse was located and it is lit up at night and can bee seen for miles. I probably wouldn't know any of this had I not found it in the County Court Minutes. It was never discussed by anyone in my family that I can remember but when I found it and asked my mother about it, she really unloaded on me what a wonderful time they all had living in the Poorhouse. Seems I recall from the Court Minutes that the Poorhouse Budget was something like $750.00 a year on average, which included salary and care of the poor. Medical treatments were paid for with farm produce like cabbage, potatoes, corn, ham, etc.. I remember a sulphur well there that my Dad used to take us to once a month for a cure-all 1/2 pint drink from a community fruit jar. (ugh) But he never mentioned anything about Mother's family having lived there. There was another well there also that contained mineral waters that were supposed to contain curative ingredients which was at one time shipped out all over the country and sold on passing trains. Rsp. Jim

On Saturday, Mark and I were researching my Kirkman line. This particular branch had ventured into the Scott Co-Morgan Co, IL area. As I scrolled through the both the 1850 and 1860 censuses I found several pages of census data on the Morgan Co poorhouse and the Morgan Co Insane Asylum (along with several Kirkmans in both places). Depending on the year, wouldn't htat infomration become public (like the 72 year census rule)? Cheryl Renea Burkholder wrote: > Hope this is not too serious for this list, but... > At the archives in Nashville a few days back I was looking at the Central > State Psych. Hosp microfilm. Found some info on Perry County people, took > notes and then asked a question of one of the workers there - Marilyn, if > you frequent. I noticed no Decatur or Henderson co folks, in fact it > appeared no counties west of TN river. Knowing of the existence of Bolivar, > I wondered if perhaps those living in west TN were sent there rather than > Central State. That was my question and I was hit with where did you find > those records? ( had already gestured with the 1 microfilm roll I had as I > had asked, so there was no bluffing my way out of an honest answer) Bottom > line all 6 or 8 rolls were pulled, they were not public information. Then > the conversation continued - poorhouse records should not be released > either, how embarrassing for family members, etc. And I thought, well what > about bastardy suits in court, the courtcase I read ( 1920's) where a father > was bringing suit for daughter allegedly raped and several witnesses gave > testimony with detail of the girl's seduction or trying to seduce them and > the suit was dropped. The mention in court records of 1 murdering another, > children putting out on bond to others because their father was neglecting > them. These do not have to be recent records. The negligent father was late > 1700's in east TN. > I would prefer that all my ancestors were marvelously moral, upright, > outstanding members of their communities, but that is not reality. And once > we begin suppressing information, where do we draw the line? What is > embarrassing to me might not be to you and visa-versa. > I would prefer to learn that my lost ancestor was bound out and living with > another family than to constantly have a brick wall! > Well, my opinion probably makes no difference, but I feel better! > Renea > grburk@usit.net > TNGenWeb County Coordinator for Decatur Co, TN > http://www.netease.net/decatur > TNGenWeb County Coordinator for Perry Co, TN > http://www.netease.net/perry > Listowner Decatur, Henderson, Perry Cos, TN > TNDECATU-L-request@rootsweb.com > Listowner Liston surname > LISTON-L-request@rootsweb.com > Listowner Rains surname > RAINS-L-request@rootsweb.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Poor House Lady <phlady@jump.net> > To: TNCHAT-L@rootsweb.com <TNCHAT-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: Wednesday, July 19, 2000 10:27 AM > Subject: [TNCHAT] POORHOUSE Info > > >Wow! Tennessee has an absolutely incredible amount of on-line information > >about poorhouses. I recently published a new website called The POORHOUSE > >STORY which is a clearinghouse for information about 19th century American > >Poorhouses at http://www.poorhousestory.com > > > >On our page where viewers can go to find poorhouse information by state > >http://www.poorhousestory.com/houses.htm we just sang your praises!! > > > >To see what we have listed so far for Tennessee ... just click on OTHER > >STATES to get a table and then click on TENNESSEE and you will be taken to > >http://www.poorhousestory.com/poorhouses_in_tennessee.htm > > > >Your comments are welcomed ... I am new at this web-publishing business > ><grin> ... and your comments are NEEDED. The site will only develop through > >the submissions of folks like you listers. Volunteers are also needed to > >transcribe existing information for posting. > > > >If you are interested in the historical or sociological implications of the > >poorhouse system, you will find TONS of info to explore. But if your > >interest is strictly genealogical, you may be most interested in the > RECORDS > >page or the CEMETERY page -- as well as your own State page. > > > >Please do NOT respond to me through this list. (I would get FIRED and/or > >SUED by my ISP if I maintained subscriptions to all the e-mail lists to > >which I am posting this announcement!) Please respond off-list ... or I may > >miss your post. > > > >Happy Hunting! > >Linda Crannell > >(aka=The Poorhouse Lady) > > > > > >==== TNCHAT Mailing List ==== > >To subscribe or unsubscribe to this list please visit: > >http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnunion/tnchat > >This list is generously donated by Rootsweb for our use. > >Complete rules for TnChat may be found at: > >http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnunion/tnchat > > > > > > ==== TNCHAT Mailing List ==== > To subscribe or unsubscribe to this list please visit: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnunion/tnchat > This list is generously donated by Rootsweb for our use. > Complete rules for TnChat may be found at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnunion/tnchat

Hope this is not too serious for this list, but... At the archives in Nashville a few days back I was looking at the Central State Psych. Hosp microfilm. Found some info on Perry County people, took notes and then asked a question of one of the workers there - Marilyn, if you frequent. I noticed no Decatur or Henderson co folks, in fact it appeared no counties west of TN river. Knowing of the existence of Bolivar, I wondered if perhaps those living in west TN were sent there rather than Central State. That was my question and I was hit with where did you find those records? ( had already gestured with the 1 microfilm roll I had as I had asked, so there was no bluffing my way out of an honest answer) Bottom line all 6 or 8 rolls were pulled, they were not public information. Then the conversation continued - poorhouse records should not be released either, how embarrassing for family members, etc. And I thought, well what about bastardy suits in court, the courtcase I read ( 1920's) where a father was bringing suit for daughter allegedly raped and several witnesses gave testimony with detail of the girl's seduction or trying to seduce them and the suit was dropped. The mention in court records of 1 murdering another, children putting out on bond to others because their father was neglecting them. These do not have to be recent records. The negligent father was late 1700's in east TN. I would prefer that all my ancestors were marvelously moral, upright, outstanding members of their communities, but that is not reality. And once we begin suppressing information, where do we draw the line? What is embarrassing to me might not be to you and visa-versa. I would prefer to learn that my lost ancestor was bound out and living with another family than to constantly have a brick wall! Well, my opinion probably makes no difference, but I feel better! Renea grburk@usit.net TNGenWeb County Coordinator for Decatur Co, TN http://www.netease.net/decatur TNGenWeb County Coordinator for Perry Co, TN http://www.netease.net/perry Listowner Decatur, Henderson, Perry Cos, TN TNDECATU-L-request@rootsweb.com Listowner Liston surname LISTON-L-request@rootsweb.com Listowner Rains surname RAINS-L-request@rootsweb.com -----Original Message----- From: Poor House Lady <phlady@jump.net> To: TNCHAT-L@rootsweb.com <TNCHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Wednesday, July 19, 2000 10:27 AM Subject: [TNCHAT] POORHOUSE Info >Wow! Tennessee has an absolutely incredible amount of on-line information >about poorhouses. I recently published a new website called The POORHOUSE >STORY which is a clearinghouse for information about 19th century American >Poorhouses at http://www.poorhousestory.com > >On our page where viewers can go to find poorhouse information by state >http://www.poorhousestory.com/houses.htm we just sang your praises!! > >To see what we have listed so far for Tennessee ... just click on OTHER >STATES to get a table and then click on TENNESSEE and you will be taken to >http://www.poorhousestory.com/poorhouses_in_tennessee.htm > >Your comments are welcomed ... I am new at this web-publishing business ><grin> ... and your comments are NEEDED. The site will only develop through >the submissions of folks like you listers. Volunteers are also needed to >transcribe existing information for posting. > >If you are interested in the historical or sociological implications of the >poorhouse system, you will find TONS of info to explore. But if your >interest is strictly genealogical, you may be most interested in the RECORDS >page or the CEMETERY page -- as well as your own State page. > >Please do NOT respond to me through this list. (I would get FIRED and/or >SUED by my ISP if I maintained subscriptions to all the e-mail lists to >which I am posting this announcement!) Please respond off-list ... or I may >miss your post. > >Happy Hunting! >Linda Crannell >(aka=The Poorhouse Lady) > > >==== TNCHAT Mailing List ==== >To subscribe or unsubscribe to this list please visit: >http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnunion/tnchat >This list is generously donated by Rootsweb for our use. >Complete rules for TnChat may be found at: >http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnunion/tnchat > >

Wow! Tennessee has an absolutely incredible amount of on-line information about poorhouses. I recently published a new website called The POORHOUSE STORY which is a clearinghouse for information about 19th century American Poorhouses at http://www.poorhousestory.com On our page where viewers can go to find poorhouse information by state http://www.poorhousestory.com/houses.htm we just sang your praises!! To see what we have listed so far for Tennessee ... just click on OTHER STATES to get a table and then click on TENNESSEE and you will be taken to http://www.poorhousestory.com/poorhouses_in_tennessee.htm Your comments are welcomed ... I am new at this web-publishing business <grin> ... and your comments are NEEDED. The site will only develop through the submissions of folks like you listers. Volunteers are also needed to transcribe existing information for posting. If you are interested in the historical or sociological implications of the poorhouse system, you will find TONS of info to explore. But if your interest is strictly genealogical, you may be most interested in the RECORDS page or the CEMETERY page -- as well as your own State page. Please do NOT respond to me through this list. (I would get FIRED and/or SUED by my ISP if I maintained subscriptions to all the e-mail lists to which I am posting this announcement!) Please respond off-list ... or I may miss your post. Happy Hunting! Linda Crannell (aka=The Poorhouse Lady)

Mari, If you put ketchup on the okra and close your eyes, while eating it, it taste a lot like fried oyster which ranks on a par with Vidalia Onion and Mayo sandwiches. Now if someone could only figure out what the best use for the liquid from the first boiling of Poke Sallet is................???? (Seems a waste just to throw it out--even Mikey don't like it) Rsp. Jim Allen P.S. Just read in a trivial e-mail that the only item 'Elvis' ever advertised on TV was a commercial for "Southern Made Donuts" back in 1954.

Well, I am at one with the universe. I have the first of my Mama's homegrown tomatoes, a fresh blackberry cobbler and cornbread! (Not that yankee stuff, either!) Oh..and a large pitcher of iced tea..no not sweet tea but iced tea with lemon and mint. All I need now are turnip greens, black eyed peas....and ketchup!!! I can't even LOOK at fried okra but my neighbor brought me some last week..all made..told me to at least try it..was made exactly like you said..fried in lil round thingys with corn meal..wasn't too bad. She also taught me how to make garlic turnips. Man..THOSE are GOOD! You just chop up the turnips, put it in a pan with some olive oil and FRESH garlic..cook it for about 30 min..mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...good eatin'. Mari :) At 11:00 PM 7/18/00 -0700, you wrote: >TNCHAT-D Digest Volume 00 : Issue 47 > >Today's Topics: > #1 [TNCHAT] Gravy ["Anna O. Jackson" <jsjackson@apex.] > #2 [TNCHAT] Re: TNCHAT-D Digest V00 # [Mari Byers <lyric@bna.bellsouth.ne] > #3 Re: [TNCHAT] Re: TNCHAT-D Digest V [Cheryl & Mark Zelek <zelek@mindspr] > #4 Re: [TNCHAT] re: Greens and ketchu ["Leslie Moore" <lmoore@ecsis.net>] > #5 Re: [TNCHAT] re: Greens and ketchu [Morom01@aol.com] > #6 [TNCHAT] Quote of the Week [Ladye Hunter <ladyejane@InfoAve.Ne] > #7 Re: [TNCHAT] Quote of the Week [Morom01@aol.com] > >Administrivia: >To unsubscribe from TNCHAT-D, send a message to > > TNCHAT-D-request@rootsweb.com > >that contains in the body of the message the command > > unsubscribe > >and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software >requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. >Complete rules for TnChat may be found at: >http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnunion/tnchat > > >______________________________X-Message: #1 >Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 12:54:01 -0500 >From: "Anna O. Jackson" <jsjackson@apex.net> >To: TNCHAT-L@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <397499B9.D4529084@apex.net> >Subject: [TNCHAT] Gravy >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Now don't put down gravy. I'm talking about that almost burnt flour >milk gravy, not that white paste you get in restaurants up here in >Kentucky. My husband, Sam, retired from the fire department with the >rank of Captain ... the Captains do the cooking ... he learned early >that if you mess up anything, just make a skillet of milk gravy and pour >it over! He does look a little skeptical at my putting milk gravy on my >sliced tomatoes, though. > >Ann > >-- > >______________________________X-Message: #2 >Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 13:43:35 -0500 >From: Mari Byers <lyric@bna.bellsouth.net> >To: TNCHAT-L@rootsweb.com >Message-Id: <3.0.32.20000718134333.0069d0c4@bna.bellsouth.net> >Subject: [TNCHAT] Re: TNCHAT-D Digest V00 #46 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >She got sick looking at an egg with the yellow runny? I wouldn't eat them >any other way!!! Shoot, any harder and they become hard boiled eggs <G>. >My brother has always eaten eggs with ketchup..Of course this is the same >brother who ran behind the bug spray truck in Mississippi!!! >Mari :) > >At 09:00 AM 7/18/00 -0700, you wrote: >>TNCHAT-D Digest Volume 00 : Issue 46 >> >>Today's Topics: >> #1 Re: [TNCHAT] re: Greens and ketchu [Morom01@aol.com] >> #2 Re: [TNCHAT] re: Greens and ketchu [Morom01@aol.com] >> >>Administrivia: >>To unsubscribe from TNCHAT-D, send a message to >> >> TNCHAT-D-request@rootsweb.com >> >>that contains in the body of the message the command >> >> unsubscribe >> >>and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software >>requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. >>Complete rules for TnChat may be found at: >>http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnunion/tnchat >> >> >>______________________________X-Message: #1 >>Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 23:34:41 EDT >>From: Morom01@aol.com >>To: TNCHAT-L@rootsweb.com >>Message-ID: <72.13aa185.26a52a51@aol.com> >>Subject: Re: [TNCHAT] re: Greens and ketchup >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >> >>In a message dated 7/14/00 1:12:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >>lyric@bna.bellsouth.net writes: >> >><< Ok, I was raised down in Mississippi eating turnip greens and black eyed >> peas with RED ketchup on them. However, when I do this in Tennessee ppl >> look at me funny. What's the deal? >> >> >>I saw a lady at the Cracker Barrell (restaurant) with an up north accent get >>physically ill when she ordered fried eggs and the yellow was still runny. >>She started screaming that her eggs weren't done. The waitress explained >>that's how we eat them around here. The lady made a very bad remark about >>Tennessee people to the waitress. I started to get mad, but then I started >to >>feel sorry for her. It must be really bad to go through life and not know >how >>to order eggs. <g> Maybe she should have just poured ketchup over them. She >>was already sick or I would have suggested it. Shoot ketchup makes >everything >>better! >> >>Chip >> >>______________________________X-Message: #2 >>Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 08:30:09 EDT >>From: Morom01@aol.com >>To: TNCHAT-L@rootsweb.com >>Message-ID: <46.83e6abc.26a5a7d1@aol.com> >>Subject: Re: [TNCHAT] re: Greens and ketchup >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >> >>In a message dated 7/18/00 12:47:10 AM Eastern Daylight Time, BeArdent >writes: >> >><< Chip, I sometimes put ketchup on my mac and cheese and I love mashed >>potatoes with stewed tomatoes instead of gravy. >> >> >>In the South we believe that ketchup or Tobasco Sauce (not that Texas Pete >>sissy tomato juice) poured on anything makes it better. As far as stewed >>tomatoes and mashed taters, well to quote the Reeces Corporation. Two great >>tastes that taste great together. >> >>One of my pet peeves is those cooking shows. They make ten gallons of >>something and add two shakes of Tobasco sauce. Two shakes? You can't even >>taste that! I swear to you and I'll take a picture of it if nobody believes >>me but I have a quart of the stuff in my fridge. >> >>Due to your suggestion that I add tomatoes to my taters, you have just been >>made an honorary citizen of Union County Tennessee. On certain years if the >>right candidate is running that even gets you voting rights.<g> >> >>Chip >> > >______________________________X-Message: #3 >Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 15:15:57 -0400 >From: Cheryl & Mark Zelek <zelek@mindspring.com> >To: TNCHAT-L@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <3974ACEC.4D363DC6@mindspring.com> >Subject: Re: [TNCHAT] Re: TNCHAT-D Digest V00 #46 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >I like eggs and ketchup. I also like eggs and Open Pit BBQ sauce (ok, I guess >that is a little weird) but it has to be Open Pit. The yolks have got to be >runny, too! Mark hates eggs in every way, shape or form so when I start eating >them that way he has to leave the table. Hard to find Open Pit down here, too. >I used to buy in in Detroit for 89 cents a bottle - here is is over $3.00 a >bottle if and when I can find it. > >I only put tabasco sauce on greens. What's the difference between Tabasco Brand, >Frank's Hot sauce and Texas Pete. In Raleigh, if you ask for hot sauce they >usually bring you Texas Pete. Chip, ya gotta watch Emeril- he never uses a >couple drops! (Bam! Kick it up to notches unknown!) > >Also, I have a craving for fried okra, you know, the recipe where you slice the >okra into little weels and they are coated in cornmeal. The last time I did >this, the cornmeal did not stick to the okra. What am I doing wrong? > >Cheryl > >Mari Byers wrote: > >> She got sick looking at an egg with the yellow runny? I wouldn't eat them >> any other way!!! Shoot, any harder and they become hard boiled eggs <G>. >> My brother has always eaten eggs with ketchup..Of course this is the same >> brother who ran behind the bug spray truck in Mississippi!!! >> Mari :) >> >> At 09:00 AM 7/18/00 -0700, you wrote: >> >TNCHAT-D Digest Volume 00 : Issue 46 >> > >> >Today's Topics: >> > #1 Re: [TNCHAT] re: Greens and ketchu [Morom01@aol.com] >> > #2 Re: [TNCHAT] re: Greens and ketchu [Morom01@aol.com] >> > >> >Administrivia: >> >To unsubscribe from TNCHAT-D, send a message to >> > >> > TNCHAT-D-request@rootsweb.com >> > >> >that contains in the body of the message the command >> > >> > unsubscribe >> > >> >and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software >> >requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. >> >Complete rules for TnChat may be found at: >> >http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnunion/tnchat >> > >> > >> >______________________________X-Message: #1 >> >Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 23:34:41 EDT >> >From: Morom01@aol.com >> >To: TNCHAT-L@rootsweb.com >> >Message-ID: <72.13aa185.26a52a51@aol.com> >> >Subject: Re: [TNCHAT] re: Greens and ketchup >> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >> >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >> > >> >In a message dated 7/14/00 1:12:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >> >lyric@bna.bellsouth.net writes: >> > >> ><< Ok, I was raised down in Mississippi eating turnip greens and black eyed >> > peas with RED ketchup on them. However, when I do this in Tennessee ppl >> > look at me funny. What's the deal? >> >> > >> >I saw a lady at the Cracker Barrell (restaurant) with an up north accent get >> >physically ill when she ordered fried eggs and the yellow was still runny. >> >She started screaming that her eggs weren't done. The waitress explained >> >that's how we eat them around here. The lady made a very bad remark about >> >Tennessee people to the waitress. I started to get mad, but then I started >> to >> >feel sorry for her. It must be really bad to go through life and not know >> how >> >to order eggs. <g> Maybe she should have just poured ketchup over them. She >> >was already sick or I would have suggested it. Shoot ketchup makes >> everything >> >better! >> > >> >Chip >> > >> >______________________________X-Message: #2 >> >Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 08:30:09 EDT >> >From: Morom01@aol.com >> >To: TNCHAT-L@rootsweb.com >> >Message-ID: <46.83e6abc.26a5a7d1@aol.com> >> >Subject: Re: [TNCHAT] re: Greens and ketchup >> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >> >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >> > >> >In a message dated 7/18/00 12:47:10 AM Eastern Daylight Time, BeArdent >> writes: >> > >> ><< Chip, I sometimes put ketchup on my mac and cheese and I love mashed >> >potatoes with stewed tomatoes instead of gravy. >> >> > >> >In the South we believe that ketchup or Tobasco Sauce (not that Texas Pete >> >sissy tomato juice) poured on anything makes it better. As far as stewed >> >tomatoes and mashed taters, well to quote the Reeces Corporation. Two great >> >tastes that taste great together. >> > >> >One of my pet peeves is those cooking shows. They make ten gallons of >> >something and add two shakes of Tobasco sauce. Two shakes? You can't even >> >taste that! I swear to you and I'll take a picture of it if nobody believes >> >me but I have a quart of the stuff in my fridge. >> > >> >Due to your suggestion that I add tomatoes to my taters, you have just been >> >made an honorary citizen of Union County Tennessee. On certain years if the >> >right candidate is running that even gets you voting rights.<g> >> > >> >Chip >> > >> >> ==== TNCHAT Mailing List ==== >> To subscribe or unsubscribe to this list please visit: >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnunion/tnchat >> This list is generously donated by Rootsweb for our use. >> Complete rules for TnChat may be found at: >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnunion/tnchat > >______________________________X-Message: #4 >Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 20:05:22 -0500 >From: "Leslie Moore" <lmoore@ecsis.net> >To: TNCHAT-L@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <002501bff11d$6ae80780$880c9ace@lesliefaye> >Subject: Re: [TNCHAT] re: Greens and ketchup >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >> >> I saw a lady at the Cracker Barrell (restaurant) with an up north accent >get >> physically ill when she ordered fried eggs and the yellow was still runny > >Chip I had a similar experience at a Cracker Barrel. I had biscuits and >gravy and two people sitting at a table next to me talking in "Northern >tones" kept staring at my plate. Finally the woman leaned over and pecked >on my arm and asked what in the world was I eating. I told her gravy and >biscuits. She said, "Gravy is dark brown - what in &#** was that white >stuff made out of!?!?" When I told her she kept yelling how terrible that >sounded. > >Poor thing - never had good cooking. > >______________________________X-Message: #5 >Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 21:32:04 EDT >From: Morom01@aol.com >To: TNCHAT-L@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <f.6c27717.26a65f14@aol.com> >Subject: Re: [TNCHAT] re: Greens and ketchup >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >In a message dated 7/18/00 9:07:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, lmoore@ecsis.net >writes: > ><< Poor thing - never had good cooking. >> > >I really feel sorry for people having to live outside the south. If it >weren't for biscuits and gravy I would only weigh 50 pounds. > >Nothing like sausage grease and flower to get your day started right I always >say. I once went on an overnight class trip in school where we all stopped at >a Cracker Barrell for lunch. Most all of the Beta Club had a bowl of beans >and an onion, (anyone that's been to Cracker Barrell knows they're famous for >their beans and onions). Then we all piled back on the bus for the rest of >the four hour journey to our destination. I won't be crude, but lets just say >there was as much gas inside the bus as there was in the fuel tank. > >Chip > >Chip > >______________________________X-Message: #6 >Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 20:55:35 -0500 >From: Ladye Hunter <ladyejane@InfoAve.Net> >To: TNCHAT-L@rootsweb.com >Message-id: <39750A97.FCFCEC40@infoave.net> >Subject: [TNCHAT] Quote of the Week >Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > >Hear ye, hear ye, > >I make a motion to place the following quote at the top of the list for >Quote of the Week. > >"Shoot, ketchup makes everything better!" > >Said by The Chip Brown on TNCHAT-L in this year of our Lord 2000 in the >month of the birth of our United States of America. > >Ladye > >______________________________X-Message: #7 >Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 22:08:52 EDT >From: Morom01@aol.com >To: TNCHAT-L@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <e1.739db16.26a667b4@aol.com> >Subject: Re: [TNCHAT] Quote of the Week >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >In a message dated 7/18/00 9:49:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >ladyejane@InfoAve.Net writes: > ><< "Shoot, ketchup makes everything better!" >> > >Well, first I'd like to thank the academy, and the little people. And I'd >like to thank the lunch lady at my elementary school, her cooking abilities >helped me develop my taste for ketchup...lots of ketchup. > >I always figured I'd be famous one day, I never thought it would be for my >commentary on ketchup though. <g> I always figured my fifteen minutes of fame >would come on one of those World's Worst something or other shows on Fox. >That or that Cops show. > >Chip >

Hear ye, hear ye, I make a motion to place the following quote at the top of the list for Quote of the Week. "Shoot, ketchup makes everything better!" Said by The Chip Brown on TNCHAT-L in this year of our Lord 2000 in the month of the birth of our United States of America. Ladye

> > I saw a lady at the Cracker Barrell (restaurant) with an up north accent get > physically ill when she ordered fried eggs and the yellow was still runny Chip I had a similar experience at a Cracker Barrel. I had biscuits and gravy and two people sitting at a table next to me talking in "Northern tones" kept staring at my plate. Finally the woman leaned over and pecked on my arm and asked what in the world was I eating. I told her gravy and biscuits. She said, "Gravy is dark brown - what in &#** was that white stuff made out of!?!?" When I told her she kept yelling how terrible that sounded. Poor thing - never had good cooking.

In a message dated 7/18/00 9:49:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ladyejane@InfoAve.Net writes: << "Shoot, ketchup makes everything better!" >> Well, first I'd like to thank the academy, and the little people. And I'd like to thank the lunch lady at my elementary school, her cooking abilities helped me develop my taste for ketchup...lots of ketchup. I always figured I'd be famous one day, I never thought it would be for my commentary on ketchup though. <g> I always figured my fifteen minutes of fame would come on one of those World's Worst something or other shows on Fox. That or that Cops show. Chip -------------------------------- End of TNCHAT-D Digest V00 Issue #47 ************************************ From TNCHAT-D-request@rootsweb.com Fri Jul 28 19:28:46 2000 Return-Path: <TNCHAT-D-request@rootsweb.com> Received: from lists6.rootsweb.com (lists6.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.125]) by listsearches.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e6T2Skw02525 for <indexer@listsearches.rootsweb.com>; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 19:28:46 -0700 Received: (from root@localhost) by lists6.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id e6T2Sla09290 for indexer@listsearches.rootsweb.com; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 19:28:47 -0700 Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 19:28:47 -0700 Message-Id: <200007290228.e6T2Sla09290@lists6.rootsweb.com> From: TNCHAT-D-request@rootsweb.com Subject: TNCHAT-D Digest V00 #47 X-Loop: TNCHAT-D@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <TNCHAT-D@rootsweb.com> archive/volume00/47 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: TNCHAT-D@rootsweb.com Reply-To: TNCHAT-L@rootsweb.com ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain TNCHAT-D Digest Volume 00 : Issue 47 Today's Topics: #1 [TNCHAT] Gravy ["Anna O. Jackson" <jsjackson@apex.] #2 [TNCHAT] Re: TNCHAT-D Digest V00 # [Mari Byers <lyric@bna.bellsouth.ne] #3 Re: [TNCHAT] Re: TNCHAT-D Digest V [Cheryl & Mark Zelek <zelek@mindspr] #4 Re: [TNCHAT] re: Greens and ketchu ["Leslie Moore" <lmoore@ecsis.net>] #5 Re: [TNCHAT] re: Greens and ketchu [Morom01@aol.com] #6 [TNCHAT] Quote of the Week [Ladye Hunter <ladyejane@InfoAve.Ne] #7 Re: [TNCHAT] Quote of the Week [Morom01@aol.com] Administrivia: To unsubscribe from TNCHAT-D, send a message to TNCHAT-D-request@rootsweb.com that contains in the body of the message the command unsubscribe and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. Complete rules for TnChat may be found at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnunion/tnchat

In a message dated 7/18/00 9:07:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, lmoore@ecsis.net writes: << Poor thing - never had good cooking. >> I really feel sorry for people having to live outside the south. If it weren't for biscuits and gravy I would only weigh 50 pounds. Nothing like sausage grease and flower to get your day started right I always say. I once went on an overnight class trip in school where we all stopped at a Cracker Barrell for lunch. Most all of the Beta Club had a bowl of beans and an onion, (anyone that's been to Cracker Barrell knows they're famous for their beans and onions). Then we all piled back on the bus for the rest of the four hour journey to our destination. I won't be crude, but lets just say there was as much gas inside the bus as there was in the fuel tank. Chip Chip

I like eggs and ketchup. I also like eggs and Open Pit BBQ sauce (ok, I guess that is a little weird) but it has to be Open Pit. The yolks have got to be runny, too! Mark hates eggs in every way, shape or form so when I start eating them that way he has to leave the table. Hard to find Open Pit down here, too. I used to buy in in Detroit for 89 cents a bottle - here is is over $3.00 a bottle if and when I can find it. I only put tabasco sauce on greens. What's the difference between Tabasco Brand, Frank's Hot sauce and Texas Pete. In Raleigh, if you ask for hot sauce they usually bring you Texas Pete. Chip, ya gotta watch Emeril- he never uses a couple drops! (Bam! Kick it up to notches unknown!) Also, I have a craving for fried okra, you know, the recipe where you slice the okra into little weels and they are coated in cornmeal. The last time I did this, the cornmeal did not stick to the okra. What am I doing wrong? Cheryl Mari Byers wrote: > She got sick looking at an egg with the yellow runny? I wouldn't eat them > any other way!!! Shoot, any harder and they become hard boiled eggs <G>. > My brother has always eaten eggs with ketchup..Of course this is the same > brother who ran behind the bug spray truck in Mississippi!!! > Mari :) > > At 09:00 AM 7/18/00 -0700, you wrote: > >TNCHAT-D Digest Volume 00 : Issue 46 > > > >Today's Topics: > > #1 Re: [TNCHAT] re: Greens and ketchu [Morom01@aol.com] > > #2 Re: [TNCHAT] re: Greens and ketchu [Morom01@aol.com] > > > >Administrivia: > >To unsubscribe from TNCHAT-D, send a message to > > > > TNCHAT-D-request@rootsweb.com > > > >that contains in the body of the message the command > > > > unsubscribe > > > >and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software > >requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > >Complete rules for TnChat may be found at: > >http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnunion/tnchat > > > > > >______________________________X-Message: #1 > >Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 23:34:41 EDT > >From: Morom01@aol.com > >To: TNCHAT-L@rootsweb.com > >Message-ID: <72.13aa185.26a52a51@aol.com> > >Subject: Re: [TNCHAT] re: Greens and ketchup > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > >In a message dated 7/14/00 1:12:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > >lyric@bna.bellsouth.net writes: > > > ><< Ok, I was raised down in Mississippi eating turnip greens and black eyed > > peas with RED ketchup on them. However, when I do this in Tennessee ppl > > look at me funny. What's the deal? >> > > > >I saw a lady at the Cracker Barrell (restaurant) with an up north accent get > >physically ill when she ordered fried eggs and the yellow was still runny. > >She started screaming that her eggs weren't done. The waitress explained > >that's how we eat them around here. The lady made a very bad remark about > >Tennessee people to the waitress. I started to get mad, but then I started > to > >feel sorry for her. It must be really bad to go through life and not know > how > >to order eggs. <g> Maybe she should have just poured ketchup over them. She > >was already sick or I would have suggested it. Shoot ketchup makes > everything > >better! > > > >Chip > > > >______________________________X-Message: #2 > >Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 08:30:09 EDT > >From: Morom01@aol.com > >To: TNCHAT-L@rootsweb.com > >Message-ID: <46.83e6abc.26a5a7d1@aol.com> > >Subject: Re: [TNCHAT] re: Greens and ketchup > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > >In a message dated 7/18/00 12:47:10 AM Eastern Daylight Time, BeArdent > writes: > > > ><< Chip, I sometimes put ketchup on my mac and cheese and I love mashed > >potatoes with stewed tomatoes instead of gravy. >> > > > >In the South we believe that ketchup or Tobasco Sauce (not that Texas Pete > >sissy tomato juice) poured on anything makes it better. As far as stewed > >tomatoes and mashed taters, well to quote the Reeces Corporation. Two great > >tastes that taste great together. > > > >One of my pet peeves is those cooking shows. They make ten gallons of > >something and add two shakes of Tobasco sauce. Two shakes? You can't even > >taste that! I swear to you and I'll take a picture of it if nobody believes > >me but I have a quart of the stuff in my fridge. > > > >Due to your suggestion that I add tomatoes to my taters, you have just been > >made an honorary citizen of Union County Tennessee. On certain years if the > >right candidate is running that even gets you voting rights.<g> > > > >Chip > > > > ==== TNCHAT Mailing List ==== > To subscribe or unsubscribe to this list please visit: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnunion/tnchat > This list is generously donated by Rootsweb for our use. > Complete rules for TnChat may be found at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnunion/tnchat

She got sick looking at an egg with the yellow runny? I wouldn't eat them any other way!!! Shoot, any harder and they become hard boiled eggs <G>. My brother has always eaten eggs with ketchup..Of course this is the same brother who ran behind the bug spray truck in Mississippi!!! Mari :) At 09:00 AM 7/18/00 -0700, you wrote: >TNCHAT-D Digest Volume 00 : Issue 46 > >Today's Topics: > #1 Re: [TNCHAT] re: Greens and ketchu [Morom01@aol.com] > #2 Re: [TNCHAT] re: Greens and ketchu [Morom01@aol.com] > >Administrivia: >To unsubscribe from TNCHAT-D, send a message to > > TNCHAT-D-request@rootsweb.com > >that contains in the body of the message the command > > unsubscribe > >and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software >requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. >Complete rules for TnChat may be found at: >http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnunion/tnchat > > >______________________________X-Message: #1 >Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 23:34:41 EDT >From: Morom01@aol.com >To: TNCHAT-L@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <72.13aa185.26a52a51@aol.com> >Subject: Re: [TNCHAT] re: Greens and ketchup >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >In a message dated 7/14/00 1:12:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >lyric@bna.bellsouth.net writes: > ><< Ok, I was raised down in Mississippi eating turnip greens and black eyed > peas with RED ketchup on them. However, when I do this in Tennessee ppl > look at me funny. What's the deal? >> > >I saw a lady at the Cracker Barrell (restaurant) with an up north accent get >physically ill when she ordered fried eggs and the yellow was still runny. >She started screaming that her eggs weren't done. The waitress explained >that's how we eat them around here. The lady made a very bad remark about >Tennessee people to the waitress. I started to get mad, but then I started to >feel sorry for her. It must be really bad to go through life and not know how >to order eggs. <g> Maybe she should have just poured ketchup over them. She >was already sick or I would have suggested it. Shoot ketchup makes everything >better! > >Chip > >______________________________X-Message: #2 >Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 08:30:09 EDT >From: Morom01@aol.com >To: TNCHAT-L@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <46.83e6abc.26a5a7d1@aol.com> >Subject: Re: [TNCHAT] re: Greens and ketchup >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >In a message dated 7/18/00 12:47:10 AM Eastern Daylight Time, BeArdent writes: > ><< Chip, I sometimes put ketchup on my mac and cheese and I love mashed >potatoes with stewed tomatoes instead of gravy. >> > >In the South we believe that ketchup or Tobasco Sauce (not that Texas Pete >sissy tomato juice) poured on anything makes it better. As far as stewed >tomatoes and mashed taters, well to quote the Reeces Corporation. Two great >tastes that taste great together. > >One of my pet peeves is those cooking shows. They make ten gallons of >something and add two shakes of Tobasco sauce. Two shakes? You can't even >taste that! I swear to you and I'll take a picture of it if nobody believes >me but I have a quart of the stuff in my fridge. > >Due to your suggestion that I add tomatoes to my taters, you have just been >made an honorary citizen of Union County Tennessee. On certain years if the >right candidate is running that even gets you voting rights.<g> > >Chip >

Now don't put down gravy. I'm talking about that almost burnt flour milk gravy, not that white paste you get in restaurants up here in Kentucky. My husband, Sam, retired from the fire department with the rank of Captain ... the Captains do the cooking ... he learned early that if you mess up anything, just make a skillet of milk gravy and pour it over! He does look a little skeptical at my putting milk gravy on my sliced tomatoes, though. Ann --

In a message dated 7/18/00 12:47:10 AM Eastern Daylight Time, BeArdent writes: << Chip, I sometimes put ketchup on my mac and cheese and I love mashed potatoes with stewed tomatoes instead of gravy. >> In the South we believe that ketchup or Tobasco Sauce (not that Texas Pete sissy tomato juice) poured on anything makes it better. As far as stewed tomatoes and mashed taters, well to quote the Reeces Corporation. Two great tastes that taste great together. One of my pet peeves is those cooking shows. They make ten gallons of something and add two shakes of Tobasco sauce. Two shakes? You can't even taste that! I swear to you and I'll take a picture of it if nobody believes me but I have a quart of the stuff in my fridge. Due to your suggestion that I add tomatoes to my taters, you have just been made an honorary citizen of Union County Tennessee. On certain years if the right candidate is running that even gets you voting rights.<g> Chip -------------------------------- End of TNCHAT-D Digest V00 Issue #46 ************************************ From TNCHAT-D-request@rootsweb.com Fri Jul 28 19:28:44 2000 Return-Path: <TNCHAT-D-request@rootsweb.com> Received: from lists6.rootsweb.com (lists6.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.125]) by listsearches.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e6T2Siw02482 for <indexer@listsearches.rootsweb.com>; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 19:28:44 -0700 Received: (from root@localhost) by lists6.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id e6T2Sju09252 for indexer@listsearches.rootsweb.com; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 19:28:45 -0700 Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 19:28:45 -0700 Message-Id: <200007290228.e6T2Sju09252@lists6.rootsweb.com> From: TNCHAT-D-request@rootsweb.com Subject: TNCHAT-D Digest V00 #46 X-Loop: TNCHAT-D@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <TNCHAT-D@rootsweb.com> archive/volume00/46 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: TNCHAT-D@rootsweb.com Reply-To: TNCHAT-L@rootsweb.com ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain TNCHAT-D Digest Volume 00 : Issue 46 Today's Topics: #1 Re: [TNCHAT] re: Greens and ketchu [Morom01@aol.com] #2 Re: [TNCHAT] re: Greens and ketchu [Morom01@aol.com] Administrivia: To unsubscribe from TNCHAT-D, send a message to TNCHAT-D-request@rootsweb.com that contains in the body of the message the command unsubscribe and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. Complete rules for TnChat may be found at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnunion/tnchat

In a message dated 7/14/00 1:12:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, lyric@bna.bellsouth.net writes: << Ok, I was raised down in Mississippi eating turnip greens and black eyed peas with RED ketchup on them. However, when I do this in Tennessee ppl look at me funny. What's the deal? >> I saw a lady at the Cracker Barrell (restaurant) with an up north accent get physically ill when she ordered fried eggs and the yellow was still runny. She started screaming that her eggs weren't done. The waitress explained that's how we eat them around here. The lady made a very bad remark about Tennessee people to the waitress. I started to get mad, but then I started to feel sorry for her. It must be really bad to go through life and not know how to order eggs. <g> Maybe she should have just poured ketchup over them. She was already sick or I would have suggested it. Shoot ketchup makes everything better! Chip

I'd like to call everyone's attention to the Fallen Water Farm Festival in September in my county (Union). It's an old timey fair where people get together and make crafts, discuss history and other things. There are demonstrations of wheat thrashing and the like. Bill Landry of the Heartland Series will be there his year. It's a load of old style fun and it benefits great causes every year. If you'd like to see pictures and stuff visit my temporary Festival page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnunion/fwater/ Chip Union County UsGenWeb\TnGenWeb\ALHN\TnKin\TnChat -------------------------------- End of TNCHAT-D Digest V00 Issue #45 ************************************ From TNCHAT-D-request@rootsweb.com Fri Jul 28 19:28:42 2000 Return-Path: <TNCHAT-D-request@rootsweb.com> Received: from lists6.rootsweb.com (lists6.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.125]) by listsearches.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e6T2Sgw02443 for <indexer@listsearches.rootsweb.com>; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 19:28:42 -0700 Received: (from root@localhost) by lists6.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id e6T2ShY09248 for indexer@listsearches.rootsweb.com; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 19:28:43 -0700 Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 19:28:43 -0700 Message-Id: <200007290228.e6T2ShY09248@lists6.rootsweb.com> From: TNCHAT-D-request@rootsweb.com Subject: TNCHAT-D Digest V00 #45 X-Loop: TNCHAT-D@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <TNCHAT-D@rootsweb.com> archive/volume00/45 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: TNCHAT-D@rootsweb.com Reply-To: TNCHAT-L@rootsweb.com ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain TNCHAT-D Digest Volume 00 : Issue 45 Today's Topics: #1 [TNCHAT] Union County Festival [Morom01@aol.com] Administrivia: To unsubscribe from TNCHAT-D, send a message to TNCHAT-D-request@rootsweb.com that contains in the body of the message the command unsubscribe and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. Complete rules for TnChat may be found at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnunion/tnchat

When my children were small or should I say underage. The rule at dinner was you have to put a spool of everything on your plate. If you don't do it, their father did and the kids did not want him to do it. You were also to eat everything you put on your plate. My youngest son hated Turnip Greens and the battle always began. He got to where he loved Catsup so he would cover the Turnip Green with Catsup to get that spool down. He is now grown and says the only thing good green is the GOLF GREEN...... -- Lynn Appling McCandless Please visit my webpages: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~lynn/ send mailto:lynnintx@texas.net