Betsy, I or we are or should be of some kin... I am sure... your message was in response to another inquiry. of the same family... if you will, e mail me back at: [email protected] I some times am kind of hap-hazard about explaining things but I do know if I can't give you the proof you need I can give you some one who should be able to... for you and I and the other lady you were answering to are very much in the same tree.. its just as or the past three days have found members on both sides of my family.. who are helping me with some stonewalls. and because I am 52 yrs old its hard to hold many thoughts on two diff. subjects at the same time... ha lol. you are on my mothers side of the family... the "fini" the other lady was inquiring about I am pretty sure was my grandmother who I lived with for 2yrs. and know very well...as a matter of fact there is one of "fini" Phena's children left alive she is 88 yrs now and still in good health. in Arkadelphia, Ark. but I don't think I can get anything out of her, infor, wise as her mind does slip a little and she is hard of hearing.... drop me a line. and we can talk..... Bill Ray