Greetings: The info that Dusty provided: > Here below is a blurb I have in my notes, but this is not my research. > Someone voluntarily gave it to me from their reocrds. > > """Little Viola married Calvin Aslinger. Charley (C.P.) married Oma > Patterson. Lonzie married Marie, the daughter of Mattie who is the > daughter > of Milton P. and Mary Aslinger Patterson. Earnest married Elsie Phillips X daughter of Jake and Sabra Phillips. Lillie married Parker Lowe.""""" Is a verbatim quote from page 89 of the book "Ligas Fork, A Journey Back in Time" by Nancy Phillips Patty. On that same page is a photograph of Mary Smith Phillips lying in her casket with her family gathered around her. Goldy is holding Viola, a toddler, and the caption says that she was three years old at the time. The trees in the background of the photo have full foliage on them and no one is wearing a coat, so the photo was likely taken in the summer. Since Viola was born May 10, 1923, Mary would have died in the summer of 1926 if the caption is correct. There is a Mary Phillips buried in the New Pilot Cemetery in Anderson Co whose tombstone contains no birth date and died in July 1924. This is the same cemetery where Goldy is buried. The photograph is not very good quality but Viola could have been as young as one year of age when it was taken, rather than three, so a 1924 death date for Mary is certainly possible. I talked with one of Viola's granddaughters a few years ago and she confirmed, from her mother's conversations with Viola, that Mary died when she was very young, although she didn't remember the date. She said that Mary died of "a bloody flux". Based on the number of tombstones with death dates in the 1920s as compared to the number of Anderson Co death certificates, it appears that the death certificate law was not complied with widely. Some of the "missing" death certs may be due to people dying in a hospital in another county, but I expect that if the person died at home with no doctor in attendance, death certs were not filed in many cases. To the best of my knowledge, no funeral home records survive from the 1920s so, without them or a death certificate, the only hope of getting a death date for Mary from public records would be an obituary from the local paper. I understand that papers from the mid 1920s are available on microfilm at the Clinton library. I don't know if everyone who died in the 1920s would have had an obituary however. Following are the notes that I have in my file regarding Mary's surname. I don't have documented who gave me the oral traditions on the family. Mary's marriage record lists her surname as Feathers. The Cox Funeral Home record of her son, Ernest Phillips, lists her surname as White as does the Martin Clinton Funeral Home record of her son, Clarence Phillips. Tradition among some of Mary's descendants indicates that her surname was Whitefeather and that she was a Cherokee Indian. Mary was born a Smith. When her father died young, family tradition states that she and some of her siblings were placed with foster families. Likely, she was placed with a Feathers family. Mary's mother later remarried James B White in 1901. This would explain the three surnames. The tradition that she was Cherokee is unsubstantiated but it could be that the Feathers family was Cherokee and she was raised by them. That's what I've got anyway. Ron

I am the grand daughter of Mary's brother Charlie (born 1884) and have been searching for the CHerokee connection for over 10 years (yes, including in Washington DC). I have yet to be able to confirm any indican connection. I will tell you , however, that the men of the Smith family had classic "indian" faces, with wide broad cheekbones, heavy noses and jet black hair. My day inherited the hair and the nose - and blast those men, I got the nose too!!!! (I'm a girl) Anyway, b ack to Mary. Her daddy Wm. Henry Smith died in 1895. His wife, Sallie had 5 small kids and was preggers with the 6th. As my grandaddy told the story, on the way home from the funeral in the wagon, Sallie stopped at various farms and gave away the four oldest kids - as there was no way for her to feed or care for all those children. My grand daddy was given to a man he called 'Felt Payne' - who he described as horrible, brutal man who left my ancestor to live in the barn with the animals - not in house. In fact, Charlie can be found in the Payne home in the 1900 census. Not too long afterwards - not even yet a teen, Charlie ran away one day while planting watermelon seeds for Mr. Payne. He went in search of his sibs, but as they had all been so young when given away, he didn't recognize any of the "farmed out" children he came across, and he was destined not to reconnect until he was a man in his 20's. Mary was one of the kids given away by her destititute mother, but Charlie says the mother went back to get her female child Mary when she became the partner of James B. White. Old enough to fend for himself, oldest sibling John Lee got a job and supported himself, and baby Mitchell Benjamin went to the Fleenor family (a good kind family who eductated and raised "Mick" right). Sallie Smith kep her baby Viola Margaret and gave birth to Lillie Henrietta a short while after the death of her Husband Wm. Henry. Sallie married James B White about 1899. Sallie and James had two children together, Leona and Thomas. If anyone knows anything more about these Smith's I'd love to hear it!! Dusty -----Original Message----- From: tnanders-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:tnanders-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of RONNIE D. BARTHOLOMEW Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 4:12 PM To: tnanders@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TNANDERS] Marie Phillips Greetings: The info that Dusty provided: > Here below is a blurb I have in my notes, but this is not my research. > Someone voluntarily gave it to me from their reocrds. > > """Little Viola married Calvin Aslinger. Charley (C.P.) married Oma > Patterson. Lonzie married Marie, the daughter of Mattie who is the > daughter of Milton P. and Mary Aslinger Patterson. Earnest married > Elsie Phillips X daughter of Jake and Sabra Phillips. Lillie married Parker Lowe.""""" Is a verbatim quote from page 89 of the book "Ligas Fork, A Journey Back in Time" by Nancy Phillips Patty. On that same page is a photograph of Mary Smith Phillips lying in her casket with her family gathered around her. Goldy is holding Viola, a toddler, and the caption says that she was three years old at the time. The trees in the background of the photo have full foliage on them and no one is wearing a coat, so the photo was likely taken in the summer. Since Viola was born May 10, 1923, Mary would have died in the summer of 1926 if the caption is correct. There is a Mary Phillips buried in the New Pilot Cemetery in Anderson Co whose tombstone contains no birth date and died in July 1924. This is the same cemetery where Goldy is buried. The photograph is not very good quality but Viola could have been as young as one year of age when it was taken, rather than three, so a 1924 death date for Mary is certainly possible. I talked with one of Viola's granddaughters a few years ago and she confirmed, from her mother's conversations with Viola, that Mary died when she was very young, although she didn't remember the date. She said that Mary died of "a bloody flux". Based on the number of tombstones with death dates in the 1920s as compared to the number of Anderson Co death certificates, it appears that the death certificate law was not complied with widely. Some of the "missing" death certs may be due to people dying in a hospital in another county, but I expect that if the person died at home with no doctor in attendance, death certs were not filed in many cases. To the best of my knowledge, no funeral home records survive from the 1920s so, without them or a death certificate, the only hope of getting a death date for Mary from public records would be an obituary from the local paper. I understand that papers from the mid 1920s are available on microfilm at the Clinton library. I don't know if everyone who died in the 1920s would have had an obituary however. Following are the notes that I have in my file regarding Mary's surname. I don't have documented who gave me the oral traditions on the family. Mary's marriage record lists her surname as Feathers. The Cox Funeral Home record of her son, Ernest Phillips, lists her surname as White as does the Martin Clinton Funeral Home record of her son, Clarence Phillips. Tradition among some of Mary's descendants indicates that her surname was Whitefeather and that she was a Cherokee Indian. Mary was born a Smith. When her father died young, family tradition states that she and some of her siblings were placed with foster families. Likely, she was placed with a Feathers family. Mary's mother later remarried James B White in 1901. This would explain the three surnames. The tradition that she was Cherokee is unsubstantiated but it could be that the Feathers family was Cherokee and she was raised by them. That's what I've got anyway. Ron ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TNANDERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dusty, was the Smith's in Anderson Co? When was Charlie born, I didn't locate a Payne in my census records? This maybe James & Sarah? Does this sound like Sarah's children? 1900 Anderson Co, TN Census Records p 314 (hard copy) James White 26 Sept 1873 VA NC VA m/1 Sarah 36 July 1863 m/1 8/chi 2/liv Thomas O Feb 1900 son Ulda Smith 7 June 1892 ste/dau Lillie 5 May 1895 ste/dau Hope this helps. Fay Gloria Fay (Harmon) Burris gloriafayburris@comcast.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dusty Smith" <dusty@brookehurst.net> To: <ronbarth@aztecfreenet.org>; <tnanders@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 4:41 PM Subject: Re: [TNANDERS] Marie Phillips >I am the grand daughter of Mary's brother Charlie (born 1884) and have been > searching for the CHerokee connection for over 10 years (yes, including in > Washington DC). I have yet to be able to confirm any indican connection. > > I will tell you , however, that the men of the Smith family had classic > "indian" faces, with wide broad cheekbones, heavy noses and jet black > hair. > > My day inherited the hair and the nose - and blast those men, I got the > nose > too!!!! (I'm a girl) > > Anyway, b ack to Mary. Her daddy Wm. Henry Smith died in 1895. His > wife, > Sallie had 5 small kids and was preggers with the 6th. As my grandaddy > told > the story, on the way home from the funeral in the wagon, Sallie stopped > at > various farms and gave away the four oldest kids - as there was no way for > her to feed or care for all those children. My grand daddy was given to a > man he called 'Felt Payne' - who he described as horrible, brutal man who > left my ancestor to live in the barn with the animals - not in house. In > fact, Charlie can be found in the Payne home in the 1900 census. Not too > long afterwards - not even yet a teen, Charlie ran away one day while > planting watermelon seeds for Mr. Payne. He went in search of his sibs, > but > as they had all been so young when given away, he didn't recognize any of > the "farmed out" children he came across, and he was destined not to > reconnect until he was a man in his 20's. > > Mary was one of the kids given away by her destititute mother, but Charlie > says the mother went back to get her female child Mary when she became the > partner of James B. White. Old enough to fend for himself, oldest > sibling > John Lee got a job and supported himself, and baby Mitchell Benjamin went > to > the Fleenor family (a good kind family who eductated and raised "Mick" > right). Sallie Smith kep her baby Viola Margaret and gave birth to Lillie > Henrietta a short while after the death of her Husband Wm. Henry. Sallie > married James B White about 1899. Sallie and James had two children > together, Leona and Thomas. > > If anyone knows anything more about these Smith's I'd love to hear it!! > > Dusty > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: tnanders-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:tnanders-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of RONNIE D. BARTHOLOMEW > Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 4:12 PM > To: tnanders@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [TNANDERS] Marie Phillips > > > > > Greetings: > > The info that Dusty provided: > >> Here below is a blurb I have in my notes, but this is not my research. >> Someone voluntarily gave it to me from their reocrds. >> >> """Little Viola married Calvin Aslinger. Charley (C.P.) married Oma >> Patterson. Lonzie married Marie, the daughter of Mattie who is the >> daughter of Milton P. and Mary Aslinger Patterson. Earnest married >> Elsie Phillips > X daughter of Jake and Sabra Phillips. Lillie married Parker Lowe.""""" > > Is a verbatim quote from page 89 of the book "Ligas Fork, A Journey > Back in Time" by Nancy Phillips Patty. On that same page is a photograph > of Mary Smith Phillips lying in her casket with her family gathered around > her. Goldy is holding Viola, a toddler, and the caption says that she was > three years old at the time. The trees in the background of the photo have > full foliage on them and no one is wearing a coat, so the photo was likely > taken in the summer. Since Viola was born May 10, 1923, Mary would have > died in the summer of 1926 if the caption is correct. There is a Mary > Phillips buried in the New Pilot Cemetery in Anderson Co whose tombstone > contains no birth date and died in July 1924. This is the same > cemetery where Goldy is buried. The photograph is not very good > quality but Viola could have been as young as one year of age when > it was taken, rather than three, so a 1924 death date for Mary is > certainly possible. I talked with one of Viola's granddaughters a few > years ago and she confirmed, from her mother's conversations with Viola, > that Mary died when she was very young, although she didn't remember the > date. She said that Mary died of "a bloody flux". > > Based on the number of tombstones with death dates in the 1920s as > compared > to the number of Anderson Co death certificates, it appears that the > death > certificate law was not complied with widely. Some of the "missing" > death > certs may be due to people dying in a hospital in another county, but I > expect that if the person died at home with no doctor in attendance, > death > certs were not filed in many cases. > > To the best of my knowledge, no funeral home records survive from the > 1920s > so, without them or a death certificate, the only hope of getting a death > date for Mary from public records would be an obituary from the local > paper. I understand that papers from the mid 1920s are available on > microfilm at the Clinton library. I don't know if everyone who died in > the > 1920s would have had an obituary however. > > Following are the notes that I have in my file regarding Mary's surname. > I don't have documented who gave me the oral traditions on the family. > > Mary's marriage record lists her surname as Feathers. The Cox Funeral > Home > record of her son, Ernest Phillips, lists her surname as White > as does the Martin Clinton Funeral Home record of her son, Clarence > Phillips. Tradition among some of Mary's descendants indicates that her > surname was Whitefeather and that she was a Cherokee Indian. > Mary was born a Smith. When her father died young, family tradition > states that she and some of her siblings were placed with foster > families. > Likely, she was placed with a Feathers family. Mary's mother later > remarried James B White in 1901. This would explain the three surnames. > The tradition that she was Cherokee is unsubstantiated > but it could be that the Feathers family was Cherokee and she was raised > by > them. > > That's what I've got anyway. > > Ron > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TNANDERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TNANDERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message