>Jerry, I just read Phyllis Peterson's reply to you and wonder about her Key >relatives!!! Do you think there could be any connection to the Keys who >might (with a good probability) be connected to our William Cole? I have wondered about that several times myself. I really don't know. The disconcerting piece of that possibility is that the Keys who showed up with the Coles in the west part of Knox County moved there from Blount County. I would be happier with a Cole connection to Phyllis Peterson's Key family if the Keys who were living next to the Coles had moved to Knox County from Anderson County instead of from Blount County. To those of you who might wonder what this conversation is about, William Cole and Vesta Clay England were married in Anderson County on 5 Dec 1865. Ann and I are both descended from William and Vesta. Vesta Clay England's ancestry is fairly well known. She was descended from Henry Peters Sr. and Mary Wiatte who moved to Anderson County in 1797 (before Anderson County was Anderson County), and she was also descended from John England and Vesta Zipporah Choate who moved to Anderson County around 1799 (I have not been able to pin down the exact date, but the Englands and the Choates were both on the 1802 tax list for Anderson County). But William Cole is a severe brick wall. William and Vesta were enumerated in the 1870 census in Knox County, living in the Beaver Ridge community. William's property was at the intersection of what is now Middlebrook Pike and Lovell Road. Their last child was born in 1873 and William died before the 1880 census. Vesta was enumerated in the 1880 census in the Concord community of Knox County, but two of her four young daughters were living in 1880 with relatives in Anderson County. She married Chesley J. Scarbrough in Anderson County in 1885, and she was in Anderson County for the 1900 and 1910 censuses. But I digress. There is apparently some connection between my William Cole's family and Martha M. Key of Blount County. Martha M. Key was the daughter of David Key and Nancy Bright of Blount County. She was married three times. She married (1) Warren J. Hyden on 6 Apr 1853 in Blount County, (2) William Cole on 29 Oct 1867 in Knox County, and (3) Joseph Yarnell on 12 Dec 1872. I haven't figured out who Joseph Yarnell was yet, but I suspect he was from Anderson County. I suspect that Martha M. Key's second husband William Cole was related to my William Cole, perhaps his father or his uncle. But I haven't yet figured out who either William Cole really was. My William Cole bought his land in Knox County from James H. Cox of Knox County. Martha M. Key bought land in Knox County that was just west of William Cole's land, and she bought it from A. Cox of Anderson County. Given that the two pieces of land were adjacent, it seems likely that James H. Cox of Knox County and A. Cox of Anderson County were related, but I haven't figured out who they were. But in any case, it seems to me that the fact that Martha M. Key and my William Cole owned adjacent parcels of land, that they both bought their land from Cox men, and that Martha M. Key's second husband was named William Cole strongly suggests a connection. Here is Martha M. Key age 45 in 1870. At the time, she was living in Concord and was apparently widowed from William Cole whom she married in 1867. I believe that William Cole age 24 was her stepson, and possibly could have been a first cousin of my William Cole. George Cole age 38 was also probably her stepson. The Hyden children were her children from her first marriage. Dist. 10, p.187b, HN 90, FN 90, 18 Aug 1870, Concord PO Key David 78 m w farmer $6000/$800 TN Nancy 70 f w TN Cole George 38 m w farmer /$600 TN Elizabeth 38 f w keeping house TN Margaret 4 f w at home TN Martha 1 f w TN Dist. 10, p.187b, HN 91, FN 91, 18 Aug 1870, Concord PO Martha 45 f w keeping house $1200/$100 TN Hyden Cordelia 11 f w TN Victoria 9 f w TN Roxey 7 f w TN Margaret 6 f w TN Cole William 24 m w TN Dist. 10, p.188a, HN 92, FN 92, 18 Aug 1870, Concord PO Key Wesley 52 m w /$200 TN Catharine 36 f w TN Mary 13 f w TN David 12 m w TN Nancy 10 f w TN Rosa 7 f w TN Jordan 4 m w TN Lucy 1 f w TN In 1880, Martha M. Key was living on her land in Beaver Ridge adjacent to what had been my William Cole's land. She was now married to Joseph Yarnell. I don't know what happened to all the Coles who were with her in the 1870 census. Surely, not all of them died between 1870 and 1880. Dist. 19, Knox County, Tennessee, Jun 1880 p.417b, HN 224, FN 234 Yarnell Joseph 50 head m m w farmer TN TN TN Martha M. 53 wife f m w keeping house TN TN TN Maggie I. 20 dau f s w TN TN TN Bell M. 19 dau f s w TN TN TN Mary P. 15 dau f s w TN TN TN attended school Thomas D. 13 son m s w TN TN TN attended school Olly A. 11 dau f s w TN TN TN attended school Hiten Victory 19 Sdau f s w TN TN TN Maggie 15 Sdau f s w TN TN TN attended school Jerry Bryan

I think your right as "always" I don't think my "Keys" went to Blont Co., John Wesley Key ran the first poor house was a J.P. in Anderson.Co., I have a letter where my G Uncle went fox hunting in Anderson Co.with Wm Key.. I'm so rum dumb from reading all that I have yesterday & believe me it's a stack I can't think, see ya all later or tomorrow when I can give better information. & Ann, there is a book on the Key's & I will tell you when my mind is clear. Phyllis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Bryan" <c24m48@hotmail.com> To: <TNANDERS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 1:55 PM Subject: Re: [TNANDERS-L] John Peters update, Anderson County, Tennessee > >Jerry, I just read Phyllis Peterson's reply to you and wonder about her Key > >relatives!!! Do you think there could be any connection to the Keys who > >might (with a good probability) be connected to our William Cole? > > I have wondered about that several times myself. I really don't know. > > The disconcerting piece of that possibility is that the Keys who showed up > with the Coles in the west part of Knox County moved there from Blount > County. I would be happier with a Cole connection to Phyllis Peterson's Key > family if the Keys who were living next to the Coles had moved to Knox > County from Anderson County instead of from Blount County. > > To those of you who might wonder what this conversation is about, William > Cole and Vesta Clay England were married in Anderson County on 5 Dec 1865. > Ann and I are both descended from William and Vesta. > > Vesta Clay England's ancestry is fairly well known. She was descended from > Henry Peters Sr. and Mary Wiatte who moved to Anderson County in 1797 > (before Anderson County was Anderson County), and she was also descended > from John England and Vesta Zipporah Choate who moved to Anderson County > around 1799 (I have not been able to pin down the exact date, but the > Englands and the Choates were both on the 1802 tax list for Anderson > County). > > But William Cole is a severe brick wall. William and Vesta were enumerated > in the 1870 census in Knox County, living in the Beaver Ridge community. > William's property was at the intersection of what is now Middlebrook Pike > and Lovell Road. Their last child was born in 1873 and William died before > the 1880 census. Vesta was enumerated in the 1880 census in the Concord > community of Knox County, but two of her four young daughters were living in > 1880 with relatives in Anderson County. She married Chesley J. Scarbrough > in Anderson County in 1885, and she was in Anderson County for the 1900 and > 1910 censuses. But I digress. > > There is apparently some connection between my William Cole's family and > Martha M. Key of Blount County. Martha M. Key was the daughter of David Key > and Nancy Bright of Blount County. She was married three times. She > married (1) Warren J. Hyden on 6 Apr 1853 in Blount County, (2) William Cole > on 29 Oct 1867 in Knox County, and (3) Joseph Yarnell on 12 Dec 1872. I > haven't figured out who Joseph Yarnell was yet, but I suspect he was from > Anderson County. I suspect that Martha M. Key's second husband William Cole > was related to my William Cole, perhaps his father or his uncle. But I > haven't yet figured out who either William Cole really was. > > My William Cole bought his land in Knox County from James H. Cox of Knox > County. Martha M. Key bought land in Knox County that was just west of > William Cole's land, and she bought it from A. Cox of Anderson County. > Given that the two pieces of land were adjacent, it seems likely that James > H. Cox of Knox County and A. Cox of Anderson County were related, but I > haven't figured out who they were. > > But in any case, it seems to me that the fact that Martha M. Key and my > William Cole owned adjacent parcels of land, that they both bought their > land from Cox men, and that Martha M. Key's second husband was named William > Cole strongly suggests a connection. > > Here is Martha M. Key age 45 in 1870. At the time, she was living in > Concord and was apparently widowed from William Cole whom she married in > 1867. I believe that William Cole age 24 was her stepson, and possibly > could have been a first cousin of my William Cole. George Cole age 38 was > also probably her stepson. The Hyden children were her children from her > first marriage. > > Dist. 10, p.187b, HN 90, FN 90, 18 Aug 1870, Concord PO > Key David 78 m w farmer $6000/$800 TN > Nancy 70 f w TN > Cole George 38 m w farmer /$600 TN > Elizabeth 38 f w keeping house TN > Margaret 4 f w at home TN > Martha 1 f w TN > Dist. 10, p.187b, HN 91, FN 91, 18 Aug 1870, Concord PO > Martha 45 f w keeping house $1200/$100 TN > Hyden Cordelia 11 f w TN > Victoria 9 f w TN > Roxey 7 f w TN > Margaret 6 f w TN > Cole William 24 m w TN > Dist. 10, p.188a, HN 92, FN 92, 18 Aug 1870, Concord PO > Key Wesley 52 m w /$200 TN > Catharine 36 f w TN > Mary 13 f w TN > David 12 m w TN > Nancy 10 f w TN > Rosa 7 f w TN > Jordan 4 m w TN > Lucy 1 f w TN > > In 1880, Martha M. Key was living on her land in Beaver Ridge adjacent to > what had been my William Cole's land. She was now married to Joseph > Yarnell. I don't know what happened to all the Coles who were with her in > the 1870 census. Surely, not all of them died between 1870 and 1880. > > Dist. 19, Knox County, Tennessee, Jun 1880 > p.417b, HN 224, FN 234 > Yarnell Joseph 50 head m m w farmer TN TN TN > Martha M. 53 wife f m w keeping house TN TN TN > Maggie I. 20 dau f s w TN TN TN > Bell M. 19 dau f s w TN TN TN > Mary P. 15 dau f s w TN TN TN attended school > Thomas D. 13 son m s w TN TN TN attended school > Olly A. 11 dau f s w TN TN TN attended school > Hiten Victory 19 Sdau f s w TN TN TN > Maggie 15 Sdau f s w TN TN TN attended school > > Jerry Bryan > > > > ==== TNANDERS Mailing List ==== > Please do not write your message with CAPS on. It is seen as anger.You may put Surnames in CAPS. > Do not send your letter as a Forward and do not send Attachments. Rootsweb Does Not Accept Attachments. > >