:-) Good chilly morning list, I would appreciate someone looking for R.G./ Rufus Garland (about 1903 in Ga.) and wife Lillian Worley please... They maybe living in Fulton Co.,Ga. by 1930 census ?... I would appreciate hearing from someone with this census please... Thank you in advance... God Bless and Sincerely Mary

Thanks again, Becky & Georgi. You guys are wonderful. ...Marjorie

Hi Bill, Thanks for checking the marriage records. I do have her Cooper marriage but not the Skinner one. I really appreciate your time while looking for this. Liz in Oregon --- wmcconne <wmcconne@bellsouth.net> wrote: > Liz, > > All the census records before 1850 are by head of > household only so you would have to know the first > name of Mr Skinner to find them in 1840 and then you > couldn't be positively sure it was the right family > unless he had a unique first name. I did check the > marriage records online and see no marriage records > for Rebecca. > > > Bill Mc > >> >------------------------------- > >> >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an > email > >> to TN-CENSUS-LOOKUP-request@rootsweb.com with the > >> word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject > >> and the body of the message > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Thanks for the response, Bill. All the info I have on Frances is that he was the son of Susan Wisdom Wall. Susan lived with relatives in most of the censuses, mainly with sister, Judith. Susan died in TN ca 1910. I appreciate the information. Jim

Liz, I did some searches for this on Monday but have been having server problems and just got back on line. Before 1850 the census index is listed by head of household only, so Rebecca's name would not appear, probably until she was married to Samuel COOPER/1850; or if she became head of household in 1840. And prior to 1850 the place of birth was not listed for anyone, just ages, so it makes it hard to know if you have the right family or where they were born. Checked the 1820 TN index for SHORT, there are 24 listings in various counties. In 1830 TN there are 44 listings for SHORT, none name Rebecca. In 1840 there is a listing for Rebecca SHORT-it doesn't show place of birth but approximate year of birth-1780-1790/50-60yrs, so a little too old for yours. Source Citation: Year: 1840; Census Place: , Marshall, Tennessee; Roll: 531; Page: 157. Name: Rebecca Short Township: Not Stated County: Marshall State: Tennessee male- 0-0-1-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0- fem- 0-0-0-1-1-0-0-1-0-0-0-0-0- This Rebecca being named head of household here is probably SHORT by marriage. found- 1840 IN, Greene Co, checked for SKIN/NER, two listings, A D Skinner Not Stated, Greene, Indiana, pg.113 1 male - 30-40y - b.c1800-1810 doesn't appear to be any females or children here. Elijah Skinner Not Stated, Greene, Indiana, pg.112 male 1-2-1-1-0-0-1- Elijah 40-50y, fem 1-1-1-2-0-0-1- wife 40-50y, born c.1790-1800, [but could be too old to be Rebecca]. .......................... checked 1840 IL for Samuel COOPER, found this one in Schuyler Co , might be worth checking further for information- Source Citation: Year: 1840; Census Place: , Schuyler, Illinois; Roll: 69; Page: 102. Name: Samuel Cooper Township: Precinct 3 County: Schuyler State: Illinois *Samuel COOPER 30-40y/born 1800-1810 mal 1-2-0-0-0-1-0000000 fem 1-0-2-1-0-1-00000 same page- David COOPER 50-60y + 6males + 1 fem 40-50y +3 fem Thomas Cooper 60-70y/b.c1770-1780/ + 1 fem 60-70y Joel COOPER 30-40y/b1800-1810/ +3 males + 1 fem 40-50y +3 fem James COOPER 20-30y/b1810-1820/ + 1 fem 15-20y no listing for Samuel COOPER in Greene Co, IN no listing for SKINNER in Schuyler Co, IL ...................... in 1850 IL, no listing for Samuel COOPER in Schuyler Co IL. found a Joel COOPER b.OH c1807, in Oregon, Schuyler Co, also found a Sarene COOPER in Oregon IL b.IL c1842, dau of Joel and Mahala, -maybe she's a namesake for Sam/Rebecca's daughter? also found James COOPER in Oregon,Schuyler Co IL, b.OH c1822, also found Thomas COOPER in Oregon,Schuyler Co IL, b.VA c1772, ....................................... you probably have these; 1860 OR- Name: Rebecca Cooper Age in 1860: 50 Birth Year: abt 1810 BirthPlace: Tennessee Home in 1860: Not Stated, Linn, Oregon Gender: Female Post Office: Lebanon Value of real estate: View image Household Members: Name Age Samiel Cooper 60 VA Rebecca Cooper 50 John Cooper 20 IL Guilford Cooper 18 IN Gordon Cooper 17 IL William Cooper 16 IN Sedene Cooper 12 OR Martha Cooper 10 OR George Cooper 9 OR Joel Cooper 8 OR Sanuel Cooper 6 OR Livona Cooper 4 OR Isaac Cooper 2 OR John Mccormac 23 1870 OR- Name: Rebecca Cooper Estimated Birth Year: abt 1833 Age in 1870: 37 BirthPlace: Pennsylvania Home in 1870: Brownsville, Linn, Oregon Family and Neighbors: View Results Race: White Gender: Female Value of real estate: View Image Post Office: Brownsville Samuel Cooper Brownsville, Linn, OR abt 1800 Virginia White Male Rebecca Cooper Brownsville, Linn, OR abt 1833 Pennsylvania White Female George Cooper Brownsville, Linn, OR abt 1852 Oregon White Male Joseph Cooper Brownsville, Linn, OR abt 1853 Oregon White Male Samuel Cooper Brownsville, Linn, OR abt 1855 Oregon White Male Levonia Cooper Brownsville, Linn, OR abt 1856 Oregon White Female Isaac Cooper Brownsville, Linn, OR abt 1858 Oregon White Male ........................... Indiana Marriages to 1850 Record about Short, Rebecca Spouse 1: Short, Rebecca Spouse 2: Winslow, Samuel Marriage Date: 16 May 1836 Marriage Location: Indiana Jackson County ........................... Since Rebecca and Samuel were married in IL 1846, and Sadene/Sedene was b.1848 OR, it's most likely that she is their daughter and not a child from Rebecca's marriage to SKINNER. I searched IN for SKINNER births but could not find a database for that time period; also searched IL for COOPER births but no database. Hope this will be of some help, Nancy all mail scanned w/McAfee ISS 2006 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Liz Smith" <grannylizcd@yahoo.com> To: <TN-CENSUS-LOOKUP@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 2:25 PM Subject: [TN-CENSUS-LOOKUP] SHORT, Rebecca > Hi List, > I am looking for Rebecca SHORT. According to 1880 > census she was born 1812 or 1813 in TN and her Father > was born in VA and Mother born in MD. She married a > SKINNER, Unknown probably in Indiana and then my > COOPER,Samuel in Schuyler,City, Illinois Feb. 27, 1846 > and left for Oregon with combined families in 1848. > Thanks for any help. > > Liz Smith > Oregon

Don't know if anybody gave you this one: 1870 Lawrence Co, TN, dist 6 Susan Wall 35 TN Francis M. Wall 16 TN They are living near the same people as in 1880 - i.e. a couple of Wisdom families. They appear to be listed as black although it could be that the censustaker just got carried away with his ditto marks. I don't find Francis in 1880, 1900 or 1910. The most likely middle name would be Marion and I searched for that too. There is a Frank Wall in Illinois about the right age and born TN. Do you have any information on how long Francis might have lived? Bill Mc -----Original Message----- From: JWWisdom@aol.com <JWWisdom@aol.com> To: TN-CENSUS-Lookup@rootsweb.com <TN-CENSUS-Lookup@rootsweb.com> Dat > >Please check for Frances/Francis WALL b ca 1854 in TN. John H. Wall and >Susan Wisdom are parents. Francis was living with mother in the 1860 TN census, >Lawrence Co. > >Thanks for your help. >Jim > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TN-CENSUS-LOOKUP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Liz, All the census records before 1850 are by head of household only so you would have to know the first name of Mr Skinner to find them in 1840 and then you couldn't be positively sure it was the right family unless he had a unique first name. I did check the marriage records online and see no marriage records for Rebecca. Bill Mc -----Original Message----- From: Liz Smith <grannylizcd@yahoo.com> To: tn-census-lookup@rootsweb.com <tn-census-lookup@rootsweb.com> Date: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 7:27 PM Subject: Re: [TN-CENSUS-LOOKUP] SHORT, Rebecca >Hi Bill, >I am sorry about not being more clear. I have been on >this family for several days steady and I guess I >think everyone should be too. :) >I would like to find Rebecca (Short) SKINNER in the >East before 1846. UNKNOWN SKINNER husband's name with >her and the children all together. My pioneer book has >her with two children for sure---Guilford L. Skinner >b. 9-2-1842 and William b. 1844 in Green County, >Indiana. When they got to Oregon for the 1850 census >they both went by Cooper and then as adults appeared >to be back to SKINNER. > >When she married Samuel Cooper in ILL. in 1846 they >both had children and came by wagon train to Oregon. I >would like to have the verification that these are her >kids and if she had any more SKINNER'S before they >were married and set off for the west. Of course, they >had their own children after they arrived, so you can >probably guess about the descrepancies on the >information trail. > >Thanks so much for taking an interest. >Best Wishes, >Liz >PS Don't hesitate to ask questions as I know this may >be confusing. > > >Liz, >> >> What sort of help are you looking for? >> >> Bill Mc >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Liz Smith <grannylizcd@yahoo.com> >> To: TN-CENSUS-LOOKUP@rootsweb.com >> <TN-CENSUS-LOOKUP@rootsweb.com> >> Date: Saturday, September 23, 2006 1:25 PM >> Subject: [TN-CENSUS-LOOKUP] SHORT, Rebecca >> >> >> >Hi List, >> >I am looking for Rebecca SHORT. According to 1880 >> >census she was born 1812 or 1813 in TN and her >> Father >> >was born in VA and Mother born in MD. She married a >> >SKINNER, Unknown probably in Indiana and then my >> >COOPER,Samuel in Schuyler,City, Illinois Feb. 27, >> 1846 >> >and left for Oregon with combined families in 1848. >> >Thanks for any help. >> > >> >Liz Smith >> >Oregon >> > >> >__________________________________________________ >> >Do You Yahoo!? >> >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam >> protection around >> >http://mail.yahoo.com >> > >> >------------------------------- >> >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email >> to TN-CENSUS-LOOKUP-request@rootsweb.com with the >> word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject >> and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email >> to TN-CENSUS-LOOKUP-request@rootsweb.com with the >> word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject >> and the body of the message >> > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TN-CENSUS-LOOKUP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Liz, What sort of help are you looking for? Bill Mc -----Original Message----- From: Liz Smith <grannylizcd@yahoo.com> To: TN-CENSUS-LOOKUP@rootsweb.com <TN-CENSUS-LOOKUP@rootsweb.com> Date: Saturday, September 23, 2006 1:25 PM Subject: [TN-CENSUS-LOOKUP] SHORT, Rebecca >Hi List, >I am looking for Rebecca SHORT. According to 1880 >census she was born 1812 or 1813 in TN and her Father >was born in VA and Mother born in MD. She married a >SKINNER, Unknown probably in Indiana and then my >COOPER,Samuel in Schuyler,City, Illinois Feb. 27, 1846 >and left for Oregon with combined families in 1848. >Thanks for any help. > >Liz Smith >Oregon > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TN-CENSUS-LOOKUP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Bill, I am sorry about not being more clear. I have been on this family for several days steady and I guess I think everyone should be too. :) I would like to find Rebecca (Short) SKINNER in the East before 1846. UNKNOWN SKINNER husband's name with her and the children all together. My pioneer book has her with two children for sure---Guilford L. Skinner b. 9-2-1842 and William b. 1844 in Green County, Indiana. When they got to Oregon for the 1850 census they both went by Cooper and then as adults appeared to be back to SKINNER. When she married Samuel Cooper in ILL. in 1846 they both had children and came by wagon train to Oregon. I would like to have the verification that these are her kids and if she had any more SKINNER'S before they were married and set off for the west. Of course, they had their own children after they arrived, so you can probably guess about the descrepancies on the information trail. Thanks so much for taking an interest. Best Wishes, Liz PS Don't hesitate to ask questions as I know this may be confusing. Liz, > > What sort of help are you looking for? > > Bill Mc > -----Original Message----- > From: Liz Smith <grannylizcd@yahoo.com> > To: TN-CENSUS-LOOKUP@rootsweb.com > <TN-CENSUS-LOOKUP@rootsweb.com> > Date: Saturday, September 23, 2006 1:25 PM > Subject: [TN-CENSUS-LOOKUP] SHORT, Rebecca > > > >Hi List, > >I am looking for Rebecca SHORT. According to 1880 > >census she was born 1812 or 1813 in TN and her > Father > >was born in VA and Mother born in MD. She married a > >SKINNER, Unknown probably in Indiana and then my > >COOPER,Samuel in Schuyler,City, Illinois Feb. 27, > 1846 > >and left for Oregon with combined families in 1848. > >Thanks for any help. > > > >Liz Smith > >Oregon > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > >http://mail.yahoo.com > > > >------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to TN-CENSUS-LOOKUP-request@rootsweb.com with the > word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject > and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to TN-CENSUS-LOOKUP-request@rootsweb.com with the > word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject > and the body of the message > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Rootsweb and Ancestry ----- Original Message ----- From: <Mamt1984@aol.com> To: <tn-census-lookup@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 10:54 AM Subject: Re: [TN-CENSUS-LOOKUP] David Wilson Brimer > > Thanks so much for the info below that you sent. I really appreciate it. > > What was the source for this info so that I might document it in my > files? > > Thanks again, > Marjorie > =========================== > In a message dated 09/25/2006 2:22:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > tippit83@comcast.net writes: > ****************************************************************************** > ************ > > David Wilson Brimer b. 10-13-1866 in Leadvale, Jefferson Co. TN. D. > 4-29-1920 in Knoxville, TN. > D W was one of the leading contractors and builders of Knoxville, TN. > (Brimer & England Bro. from > 1904 - 1920 death). > David married Ida Belle England 1886 Knoxville, TN. She was born 1868 and > died 9-23-1953. Had 3 daus. > 1. Mary Ida b. 1888 Knoxville TN. Died 1-16-1861 Knoxville, TN. > Married > Nelson H. Craig. 1 child, son > David H. b. 1912 Knoxville, TN. Died 1984 Memphis TN. > > 2. Nellie b. 3-14-1894 Knoxville, TN. Died in Johnson, Co. Married > Walter Ashe Montgomery 5-16-1916. > 3 children...Walter Ashe Jr, Ernest and the 3rd. unknown....but > possible a twin to Ernest that died at > birth or soon after. > > 3. Mildred Wilson Brimer b. 12-27-1899 Knoxville, TN. Died 1-29-1977 in > Morristown, Hamblin Co. TN. > Married Carl Akers - No Children > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Mamt1984@aol.com> > To: <TN-CENSUS-LOOKUP-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 9:46 AM > Subject: [TN-CENSUS-LOOKUP] David Wilson Brimer > > >>I would like to thank all on this list that have helped me so much over >>the >> past few months. The information that you have provided me has been >> enormously >> beneficial. >> That said, I, again, would like to request your help. >> >> I am interested in any information, especially names of any children, of >> David Wilson Brimer and wife, Ida Belle England, of Knox County, TN. >> They >> were >> married in 1886 in Knox County. >> >> David Wilson (D.W.) Brimer was b. abt. 1867 in Jefferson County, TN. His >> parents, I think, were Houston Brimer and Elizabeth Campbell. I would >> like to >> know if any records confirm this, and what were the names of David's >> siblings? >> >> David Wilson Brimer built a house in Knox County, TN in 1909 and d. abt. >> 1920 in Knox County. Ida Belle was b. abt. 1868 and d. abt. 1953. >> >> Thanks, as always, >> Marjorie >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> TN-CENSUS-LOOKUP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TN-CENSUS-LOOKUP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject > and > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TN-CENSUS-LOOKUP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks so much for the info below that you sent. I really appreciate it. What was the source for this info so that I might document it in my files? Thanks again, Marjorie =========================== In a message dated 09/25/2006 2:22:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, tippit83@comcast.net writes: ****************************************************************************** ************ David Wilson Brimer b. 10-13-1866 in Leadvale, Jefferson Co. TN. D. 4-29-1920 in Knoxville, TN. D W was one of the leading contractors and builders of Knoxville, TN. (Brimer & England Bro. from 1904 - 1920 death). David married Ida Belle England 1886 Knoxville, TN. She was born 1868 and died 9-23-1953. Had 3 daus. 1. Mary Ida b. 1888 Knoxville TN. Died 1-16-1861 Knoxville, TN. Married Nelson H. Craig. 1 child, son David H. b. 1912 Knoxville, TN. Died 1984 Memphis TN. 2. Nellie b. 3-14-1894 Knoxville, TN. Died in Johnson, Co. Married Walter Ashe Montgomery 5-16-1916. 3 children...Walter Ashe Jr, Ernest and the 3rd. unknown....but possible a twin to Ernest that died at birth or soon after. 3. Mildred Wilson Brimer b. 12-27-1899 Knoxville, TN. Died 1-29-1977 in Morristown, Hamblin Co. TN. Married Carl Akers - No Children ----- Original Message ----- From: <Mamt1984@aol.com> To: <TN-CENSUS-LOOKUP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 9:46 AM Subject: [TN-CENSUS-LOOKUP] David Wilson Brimer >I would like to thank all on this list that have helped me so much over the > past few months. The information that you have provided me has been > enormously > beneficial. > That said, I, again, would like to request your help. > > I am interested in any information, especially names of any children, of > David Wilson Brimer and wife, Ida Belle England, of Knox County, TN. They > were > married in 1886 in Knox County. > > David Wilson (D.W.) Brimer was b. abt. 1867 in Jefferson County, TN. His > parents, I think, were Houston Brimer and Elizabeth Campbell. I would > like to > know if any records confirm this, and what were the names of David's > siblings? > > David Wilson Brimer built a house in Knox County, TN in 1909 and d. abt. > 1920 in Knox County. Ida Belle was b. abt. 1868 and d. abt. 1953. > > Thanks, as always, > Marjorie > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TN-CENSUS-LOOKUP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TN-CENSUS-LOOKUP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and

Thank you so much, Becky. You really went the extra mile for me and gave me lots of info that I didn't have. All you have done has really helped some of the pieces to come together for me. I am still wondering where the name Wilson is coming from. It hasn't shown up as anyone's last name, but it was David Wilson Brimer's middle name as well as John Wilson Brimer of Hamilton County that I had asked for a lookup on a while back. I don't know the connection between David and John, so that's what makes me so curious about the Wilson name. Thanks again, Marjorie ============================ In a message dated 09/25/2006 2:38:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, millet@consolidated.net writes: Marjorie, Here's Ida Bell with her family in 1870 and 1880: Source Citation: Year: 1880; Census Place: District 3, Knox, Tennessee; Roll: T9_1265; Family History Film: 1255265; Page: 233.4000; Enumeration District: 151 Relation Sex Marr Race Age Birthplace Payne ENGLAND Self M M W 43 TN Occ: Farmer Fa: NC Mo: TN Mary J. ENGLAND Wife F M W 43 TN Occ: Keeps House Fa: TN Mo: TN Hugh L. ENGLAND Son M S W 19 TN Occ: Student Fa: TN Mo: TN Mineva T. ENGLAND Dau F S W 18 TN Fa: TN Mo: TN Ohio P. ENGLAND Dau F S W 16 TN Fa: TN Mo: TN Joseph ENGLAND Son M S W 14 TN Occ: Farmer Fa: TN Mo: TN Ida Belle ENGLAND Dau F S W 12 TN Fa: TN Mo: TN Lula A. ENGLAND Dau F S W 10 TN Fa: TN Mo: TN Benjamin R. ENGLAND Son M S W 6 TN Fa: TN Mo: TN Minirva LEGG Aunt F S W 56 TN Occ: Housekeeper Fa: TN Mo: TN Source Citation: Year: 1870; Census Place: District 3, Knox, Tennessee; Roll: M593_1541; Page: 112; Image: 57. 156/156 ENGLAND, Paine, 35, M, W, 2000/1000, TN -----Mary, 35, F, W, TN -----Hugh L., 10, M, W, TN -----Minerva, 9, F, W, TN -----Ohio, 8, F, W, TN -----Joseph, 4, M, W, TN -----Ida Bell, 3, F, W, TN -----Lura A., 1, F, W, TN

Jim, I didn't have any luck finding Frances/Francis Wall in the 1880 census. I did, however, find his mother living with her family: Source Citation: Year: 1880; Census Place: District 6, Lawrence, Tennessee; Roll: T9_1266; Family History Film: 1255266; Page: 255.2000; Enumeration District: 108; .Census Place: District 6, Lawrence, Tennessee 109/111 Relation Sex Marr Race Age Birthplace Judith WISDOM Self F W W 46 TN Occ: Farmer Fa: SC Mo: SC Amanda WISDOM Dau F S W 17 TN Occ: Keeping House Fa: TN Mo: TN John WISDOM Son M S W 10 TN Occ: Works On Farm Fa: TN Mo: TN Judith WISDOM Mother F W W 88 SC Fa: VA Mo: VA Frozzell WISDOM Other F S W 2 TN Fa: TN Mo: TN 110/112 Pinas WISDOM Self M S W 22 TN Occ: Farmer Fa: TN Mo: TN Jemima WISDOM Mother F W W 52 TN Occ: Keeping House Fa: TN Mo: TN Saroah E. WISDOM Aunt F S W 18 TN Fa: TN Mo: TN Clarisey WISDOM Aunt F S W 62 TN Fa: TN Mo: SC Roseanah WISDOM Aunt F S W 60 TN Fa: TN Mo: SC Willie WISDOM Cousin M S W 3 TN Fa: TN Mo: TN Susan WALL Aunt F W W 45 TN Occ: Farmer Fa: VA Mo: SC Becky millet@consolidated.net "The best measure of the future is the record of the past." -Benjamin Franklin

Houston Brimer b. 1836 TN. D. in TN. Wife: Elizabeth Campbell b. 1832 NC. D. 12-5-1911 TN (3 children) David b. 1866, Leadvale, Jefferson Co TN James P. b. 1866 " " " (possible twin to David. No record after 1880) Mary Jane b. 1873 " " " 1870 Census Dist. 5, Jefferson, TN. Roll: M593_1540; Pg: 377; Imagr: 164 Houston Brimer age 34 Blacksmith Elizabeth age 36 David age 3 James age 3 1880 Census Dist. 12, Jefferson, TN. Roll: T9-1264; Fam. Hist. 1255264; Page 458.1000; Enum. Dist. 174 Houston Brimer age 44 Blacksmith Elizabeth age 46 David Wilson age 13 James P. age 13 Mary age 7 JAMES DOES NOT SHOW UP IN ANY MORE CENSUS'. ****************************************************************************************** David Wilson Brimer b. 10-13-1866 in Leadvale, Jefferson Co. TN. D. 4-29-1920 in Knoxville, TN. D W was one of the leading contractors and builders of Knoxville, TN. (Brimer & England Bro. from 1904 - 1920 death). David married Ida Belle England 1886 Knoxville, TN. She was born 1868 and died 9-23-1953. Had 3 daus. 1. Mary Ida b. 1888 Knoxville TN. Died 1-16-1861 Knoxville, TN. Married Nelson H. Craig. 1 child, son David H. b. 1912 Knoxville, TN. Died 1984 Memphis TN. 2. Nellie b. 3-14-1894 Knoxville, TN. Died in Johnson, Co. Married Walter Ashe Montgomery 5-16-1916. 3 children...Walter Ashe Jr, Ernest and the 3rd. unknown....but possible a twin to Ernest that died at birth or soon after. 3. Mildred Wilson Brimer b. 12-27-1899 Knoxville, TN. Died 1-29-1977 in Morristown, Hamblin Co. TN. Married Carl Akers - No Children ----- Original Message ----- From: <Mamt1984@aol.com> To: <TN-CENSUS-LOOKUP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 9:46 AM Subject: [TN-CENSUS-LOOKUP] David Wilson Brimer >I would like to thank all on this list that have helped me so much over the > past few months. The information that you have provided me has been > enormously > beneficial. > That said, I, again, would like to request your help. > > I am interested in any information, especially names of any children, of > David Wilson Brimer and wife, Ida Belle England, of Knox County, TN. They > were > married in 1886 in Knox County. > > David Wilson (D.W.) Brimer was b. abt. 1867 in Jefferson County, TN. His > parents, I think, were Houston Brimer and Elizabeth Campbell. I would > like to > know if any records confirm this, and what were the names of David's > siblings? > > David Wilson Brimer built a house in Knox County, TN in 1909 and d. abt. > 1920 in Knox County. Ida Belle was b. abt. 1868 and d. abt. 1953. > > Thanks, as always, > Marjorie > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TN-CENSUS-LOOKUP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Marjorie, Here's Ida Bell with her family in 1870 and 1880: Source Citation: Year: 1880; Census Place: District 3, Knox, Tennessee; Roll: T9_1265; Family History Film: 1255265; Page: 233.4000; Enumeration District: 151 Relation Sex Marr Race Age Birthplace Payne ENGLAND Self M M W 43 TN Occ: Farmer Fa: NC Mo: TN Mary J. ENGLAND Wife F M W 43 TN Occ: Keeps House Fa: TN Mo: TN Hugh L. ENGLAND Son M S W 19 TN Occ: Student Fa: TN Mo: TN Mineva T. ENGLAND Dau F S W 18 TN Fa: TN Mo: TN Ohio P. ENGLAND Dau F S W 16 TN Fa: TN Mo: TN Joseph ENGLAND Son M S W 14 TN Occ: Farmer Fa: TN Mo: TN Ida Belle ENGLAND Dau F S W 12 TN Fa: TN Mo: TN Lula A. ENGLAND Dau F S W 10 TN Fa: TN Mo: TN Benjamin R. ENGLAND Son M S W 6 TN Fa: TN Mo: TN Minirva LEGG Aunt F S W 56 TN Occ: Housekeeper Fa: TN Mo: TN Source Citation: Year: 1870; Census Place: District 3, Knox, Tennessee; Roll: M593_1541; Page: 112; Image: 57. 156/156 ENGLAND, Paine, 35, M, W, 2000/1000, TN -----Mary, 35, F, W, TN -----Hugh L., 10, M, W, TN -----Minerva, 9, F, W, TN -----Ohio, 8, F, W, TN -----Joseph, 4, M, W, TN -----Ida Bell, 3, F, W, TN -----Lura A., 1, F, W, TN ************ Becky millet@consolidated.net "The best measure of the future is the record of the past."

Marjorie, Given the way the name has been indexed down through the years, I think this is Houston's family in 1850. Let me know what you think. 1720/1776 John D. BRIMN, 40, M, Farmer, NC Laura, 40, F, NC Houston, 14, M, TN Andrew, 11, M, TN David, 9, M, TN Harriet, 6, F, TN Samuel, 5, M, TN Martha, 1, F, TN ********* In 1860, this family is indexed as BRINNER (the actual page reads Brimer), except Andrew, who is indexed correctly as Brimer. Looks like this is the correct family. Source Citation: Year: 1860; Census Place: Not Stated, Jefferson, Tennessee; Roll: M653_1258; Page: 503; Image: 624. 2470/2514 John BRIMER, 52, M, Laborer, 100/500, TN L., 50, F, NC David, 19, M, Laborer, TN H.E., 18, F, TN S., 15, M, TN M., 12, F, TN J., 10, F, TN ********** Source Citation: Year: 1870; Census Place: District 4, Jefferson, Tennessee; Roll: M593_1540; Page: 360; Image: 129. 111/111 BRIMER, Andrew, 32, M, W, Farmer, 600/200, TN -----Sarah J., 25, F, W, Keeps house, TN -----Joseph L., 7, M, W, TN -----Emily C., 4, F, W, TN -----Martha, 2, F, W, TN -----Sarah, 8/12, F, W, TN, b. Jan 112/112 BRIMER, John, 58, M, W, Farmer, -/300, TN -----Laura, 56, F, W, Keeps house, NC -----Martha, 20, F, W, No occupation, TN -----Amanda, 19, F, W, No occupation, TN GREEN, Elizabeth, 63, F, W, No occupation, TN Becky millet@consolidated.net "The best measure of the future is the record of the past." -Benjamin Franklin

Ida Bell indexed as BRUNER in 1930: Source Citation: Year: 1930; Census Place: Knoxville, Knox, Tennessee; Roll: 2258; Page: 20A; Enumeration District: 28; Image: 358.0. 343/430 BRUNER, Ida B., Head, Owns home, $15,000, owns radio, F, W, Wd, TN/TN/TN CRAIG, Nelson H., Son-in-law, M, W, 49, married at 30, TN/TN/TN, Accountant/public, at work, not a Veteran -----Mary B., Dau, F, W, 42, married at 23, TN/TN/TN -----David H., Grandson, M, W, 17, single, TN/TN/TN ************* Indexed as BIMLER in 1920: Source Citation: Year: 1920;Census Place: Knoxville Ward 11, Knox, Tennessee; Roll: T625_1749; Page: 25B; Enumeration District: 100; Image: 821. 17 Jan 1920 203 Glenwood Ave. 469/473 BIMLER, David W., Owns home free, M, W, 53, married, TN/TN/TN, Builder con./own business -----Ida B., Wife, F, W, 52, married, TN/TN/TN -----Mildred, Dau, F, W, 20, single, TN/TN/TN CRAIG, Mary, Dau, F, W, 32, married, TN/TN/TN -----Nelson H., Son-in-law, M, W, 39, married, TN/TN/TN, Bookkeeper -----David W., Grandson, M, W, 7, single, TN/TN/TN Becky millet@consolidated.net "The best measure of the future is the record of the past." -Benjamin Franklin

Source Citation: Year: 1900; Census Place: White Pine, Jefferson, Tennessee; Roll: T623 1580; Page: 23B; Enumeration District: 53. Indexed as Hanson, page reads Houston... 438/438 BRIMER, Houston, Head, W, M, Mar 1836, 64, M x 43 yrs., TN/TN/TN, Farmer, O F F #184 -----Elisabeth, Wife, W, F, Oct 1833, 66, M x 43 yrs., 7/2 children living, NC/NC/NC ************ Source Citation: Year: 1880; Census Place: District 12, Jefferson, Tennessee; Roll: T9_1264; Family History Film: 1255264; Page: 458.1000; Enumeration District: 174; . Census Place: District 12, Jefferson, Tennessee Source: FHL Film 1255264 National Archives Film T9-1264 Page 458A Relation Sex Marr Race Age Birthplace Huston BRIMER Self M M W 44 TN Occ: Blacksmith Fa: TN Mo: TN Elisabeth BRIMER Wife F M W 46 NC Occ: Housekeeping Fa: VA Mo: NC Willson BRIMER Son M S W 13 TN Fa: TN Mo: NC James BRIMER Son M S W 13 TN Fa: TN Mo: NC Mary BRIMER Dau F S W 7 TN Fa: TN Mo: NC ******************************************** David and family are indexed as BROWN. The actual page reads Brimer, but there is a lot of fading and ink spotting on the bottom of the page. Without knowing their name, it's very difficult to read. Parts of it are impossible to decipher. David is the only one on the bottom of that faded page. The rest are on the top of the next page. Source Citation: Year: 1900; Census Place: Knoxville Ward 9, Knox, Tennessee; Roll: T623 1581; Page: 8B; Enumeration District: 68. 144/155 BRIMER, David W., Head, W, M, ?, 186?, M x 14 yrs, TN/TN/TN, ? of building, O F H -----Ida Bell, Wife, W, F, Jul 1868, 31, M x 14 yrs, 3/3 children, TN/TN/TN -----Mary J., Dau, W, F, Dec 1887, 12, single, TN/TN/TN, In school -----Nellie, Dau, W, F, Mar 1894, 6, single, TN/TN/TN -----Mildred, Dau, W, F, Dec 1899, 5/12, single, TN/TN/TN Becky millet@consolidated.net "The best measure of the future is the record of the past." -Benjamin Franklin

I would like to thank all on this list that have helped me so much over the past few months. The information that you have provided me has been enormously beneficial. That said, I, again, would like to request your help. I am interested in any information, especially names of any children, of David Wilson Brimer and wife, Ida Belle England, of Knox County, TN. They were married in 1886 in Knox County. David Wilson (D.W.) Brimer was b. abt. 1867 in Jefferson County, TN. His parents, I think, were Houston Brimer and Elizabeth Campbell. I would like to know if any records confirm this, and what were the names of David's siblings? David Wilson Brimer built a house in Knox County, TN in 1909 and d. abt. 1920 in Knox County. Ida Belle was b. abt. 1868 and d. abt. 1953. Thanks, as always, Marjorie

Source Citation: Year: 1860; Census Place: Not Stated, Jefferson, Tennessee; Roll: M653_1258; Page: 337; Image: 293 117/119 Houston BRIMER, 24, M, Laborer, -/75, TN Elizabeth, 27, F, NC John C., 2, M, TN Charles C., 9/12, M, TN *********** Source Citation: Year: 1870; Census Place: District 5, Jefferson, Tennessee; Roll: M593_1540; Page: 377; Image: 164. 194/194 BRIMER, Houston, 34, M, W, Blacksmith, -/300, TN -----Elizabeth, 36, F, W, Keeping house, NC -----David W, 3, M, W, TN -----James P., 3, M, W, TN ********** (Still trying to locate them in 1880 and 1900.) Source Citation: Year: 1910; Census Place: Civil District 3, Jefferson, Tennessee; Roll: T624_1506; Page: 17A; Enumeration District: 68; Image: 1027. 212/212 BRIMER, Houstens, Head, M, W, 74, M1 x 54, TN/TN/TN, Farmer/Gen farm, O F F # 150 -----Elizabeth, F, W, 77, M1 x 54, 7/2 children living, NC/NC/NC -----James P., Grand son, M, W, 14, single, TN/TN/TN, Labor/Railroad ********************************** Source Citation: Year: 1910; Census Place: Knoxville Ward 11, Knox, Tennessee; Roll: T624_1507; Page: 2B; Enumeration District: 101; Image: 1259. Indexed as Bruner... All birth places TN/TN/TN 41/203 BRIMER, D.W., Head, M, W, 43, M1 x 24, Contractor/houses, O F H -----Ida B., WIfe, F, W, 39, M1 x 24, 3/3 children living -----Mary, Dau, F, W, 22, single -----Nelle, Dau, F, W, 16, single -----Mildred, Dau, F, W, 11, single Becky millet@consolidated.net "The best measure of the future is the record of the past." -Benjamin Franklin ----- Original Message ----- From: <Mamt1984@aol.com> To: <TN-CENSUS-LOOKUP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 8:46 AM Subject: [TN-CENSUS-LOOKUP] David Wilson Brimer >I would like to thank all on this list that have helped me so much over the > past few months. The information that you have provided me has been enormously > beneficial. > That said, I, again, would like to request your help. > > I am interested in any information, especially names of any children, of > David Wilson Brimer and wife, Ida Belle England, of Knox County, TN. They were > married in 1886 in Knox County. > > David Wilson (D.W.) Brimer was b. abt. 1867 in Jefferson County, TN. His > parents, I think, were Houston Brimer and Elizabeth Campbell. I would like to > know if any records confirm this, and what were the names of David's siblings? > > David Wilson Brimer built a house in Knox County, TN in 1909 and d. abt. > 1920 in Knox County. Ida Belle was b. abt. 1868 and d. abt. 1953. > > Thanks, as always, > Marjorie > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TN-CENSUS-LOOKUP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >