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    1. [Refugees]Re: Welcome, thank you--and where do we go?
    2. Diana Carlson
    3. Ian, First off, I do NOT have a key for TMG9, I have and use a key for TMG8. For Parallels, it actually comes with a copy of Win10, which it installs on top of Parallels, when Parallels is installed. There is no activation key, it is a “free” copy of Win10. As long as you don’t use anything “complex”, it does not require an activation key. So, for example, for the few apps that I use on Parallels (umm, TMG, Roots Magic, Nitro PDF, PaintShopPro), I don’t need or require a key for Win10. If you want to run MS Access or MS Excel, as an example, under Parallels, you WOULD be required to pay for a key to Win10 (I know this for a fact, because I tried this…I didn’t want MS Access that much, even though I’m an MS Access programmer and have many Access databases, and I can use Numbers instead of Excel and Pages instead of Word for most other things). I generally run a single app in Parallels, next to my other MACINTOSH apps, and this works well for me. Parallels DOES use the MacOS printer drivers; quite frankly, sometimes these are a little different from the standard Windows printer drivers, and the formatting comes out differently. Note that I said I use Roots Magic on Parallels….and I use Roots Magic on the Mac as well. As it turns out, they do in fact both run with the same databases, which are located in my Mac side. I don’t try to run RM on both Parallels and Mac at the SAME time, one or the other. Otherwise I could unintentionally corrupt the databases, which I don’t want. Note that RM7 on the Mac is “primitive” at best, and is missing some of the features of RM7 on Windows; thus the reason I use both. I am anxiously awaiting the release of RM8 (which was supposed to happen by the end of 2019…it didn’t happen…and now RM is not even promising it for 2020…thus my dilemma with using RM: I cannot upgrade to Catalina, the current MacOS without losing ALL capability to run RM on my Mac). Presumably when RM8 is released, it will be native on both MacOS, and Windows and even Unix/Linux. But that hasn’t happened yet, so since Catalina REQUIRES 64-bit apps, and RM7 is still ONLY a 32-bit app, I’m stuck between updating. I choose NOT to run Windows from boot-mode. I have a Mac, because I want to use the MacOS, not Windows. Most of my home computer work is done on the Mac BY MY CHOICE. On the other hand, I still need to use Windows (and now Win10) since SunNFun uses Windows (and now upgrading all PCs to Win10…I still have about 70 PCs to upgrade prior to the SunNFun airshow that starts March 31st). As a former Unix/C user, I’ve considered Linux (in fact I took one of my old Windows computer and converted it to Linux), but wasn’t impressed with its usability. So I stopped using it. Back when I got paid, I wrote driver/sensor real-time drivers on Unix using C and later C++. Diana > On Jan 12, 2020, at 5:51 AM, Ian Strang <[email protected]> wrote: > > I used TMG 9 for many years and like many of you still find it the best genealogy software for my purposes. > > I am interested in your use of Parallels to run TMG9. I can run TMG9 in WinXP or Win7, as I choose, using the free Virtual Box (VB) emulator. As it happens I host VB in Linux but I could equally host it in recent versions of MS Windows, if I ran any of these. Most emulators use standard disk images which can be imported into other emulators. For example, VB disk images can be imported into VMWare. Here is a list of alternatives https://www.techjunkie.com/best-virtualbox-alternatives/ VB is free and will run under various operating systems guesting any version of MS Windows from way back, before WinXP, to the latest. Windows Virtual PC from MS was designed as an emulator to run earlier version of windows in Win7 but still works in Win10. > > Why not import your Parallels disk images into one of these emulators running in Win10, try VirtualBox I suggest . You can import the Parallels image from an old hard disk even if the computer will not boot. > > Also, we can run TMG9 freshly installed in any version of windows we choose in the emulator. All we need is a licence key to activate the TMG9 installation. We may also need an MS activation key for the guest operating system. Most of these systems allow installation and use for a trial period of about 30 days, so if you know what you are doing, this can be used to transfer one installation to another. > > Also, as a foot note, TMG9 can be run directly in Linux wine or even better in a guest windows emulator running in Linux as host. > > On 11/01/2020 16:31, Diana Carlson wrote: >> The original Email for that is LOST: Disk drive crash, on a computer 4 times old (meaning that I’ve moved to 3 other computers since then). The information was saved as a text file and placed in a folder with the TMG installation executable, which is what was used to install it on my Mac, under Parallels, which did register correctly. The NEW Windows10 laptop that I took to the Cripe/Jones Family Reunion in May 2019 “worked” with TMG for a month….yes I THOUGHT I had registered it correctly, but found out after 30 days that it was not. I attempted to use the directions I got previously when I asked, that did not work. (Don’t ask me to remember what didn’t work at this point, that was more than 6 months ago; I’m getting old and my short-term memory is about 5 minutes nowadays). >> >> One of the reasons why I moved from my Mac, under Parallels, (the MacBookPro continues to be my primary computer) was because the Printer drivers for the Mac (which is also used under Parallels) does not format the reports the same. So I purchased the new Windows 10 laptop to run it there instead (THAT WORKED! For a month, that is), and I was informed that I had to move all the Windows 7 pcs at SNF over to Windows 10 (which I’ve already started, about 30 completed) prior to the airshow, that starts March 31, 2019. Since I didn’t USE Win10, I bought a new Win10 Laptop to learn how to use Win10, before it was too late. >> >> I think I correctly answered your question below. >> >> PS, I used to live in Nashua…before we moved to FL 15 years ago… My daughter just had a baby in Manchester 4 days ago :-). >

    01/12/2020 05:19:12
    1. [Refugees]Re: Welcome, thank you--and where do we go?
    2. Ian Strang
    3. Dear Diana, Thanks for your interesting response. Just for the record and from my memory, TMG8 & TMG9 are very similar and probably use the same database structure. I only know about using TMG which I miss greatly. I used to run it in Linux natively which worked nearly 100% using wine or PlayOnLinux. Unfortunately these day are gone. I read so often about people struggling to run  versions of TMG in Windows10 and so on. In my experience the ideal solution is to run TMG under an operating system that it was designed for like WinXP,  Win7, or even earlier. Microsoft has provided Windows Virtual PC for this, although I have never used it. But there are many other emulators like VirtualBox which will run in Linux, Windows and other operating systems including the Mac. These setups are designed to run older programs and TMG will run perfectly with them. Further, it will interface with features from the newer host operating system. There is little need to worry about the old WinXP picking up a virus because: 1. it can be protected by either connecting only to the host, or by the connecting to the internet by protection provided by the host, or 2. in the event that it does get a virus, we can revert to a snapshot of the guest system taken before the virus appeared. I now use GRAMPS https://gramps-project.org <https://gramps-project.org/blog/> the free open source genealogy program which runs on Linux (& similar), Mac and windows. Learning it has been up a very steep curve: TMG was so intuitive and led me along prompting for the data which should be input at the appropriate time. GRAMPS will do all that very effectively but nothing is intuitive to me and I am still learning. The big advantage is that it is open source and I can go in and edit or write programs in python to do what I want. GRAMPS will generate a website but John Cardinal has written GedSite https://www.gedsite.com/en/index.htm which will import a GEDCOM file and generate a configurable website. GedSite output it is similar to SecondSite for TMG by him but gets its input from a GEDCOM file exported from whichever genealogy program we are using. GRAMPS exports a GEDCOM file with a few peculiarities but with a bit of simple manipulation with a python program it provides clean input to GedSite which generates a good looking website. The other advantage of GRAMPS is that it is unlikely to be suddenly discontinued or made hard to maintain by components of it being taken over by firms who then abandon development, like VisualFoxPro. GRAMPS is also free. Kind wishes, Ian On 12/01/2020 12:19, Diana Carlson wrote: > Ian, > > First off, I do NOT have a key for TMG9, I have and use a key for TMG8. For Parallels, it actually comes with a copy of Win10, which it installs on top of Parallels, when Parallels is installed. There is no activation key, it is a “free” copy of Win10. As long as you don’t use anything “complex”, it does not require an activation key. So, for example, for the few apps that I use on Parallels (umm, TMG, Roots Magic, Nitro PDF, PaintShopPro), I don’t need or require a key for Win10. If you want to run MS Access or MS Excel, as an example, under Parallels, you WOULD be required to pay for a key to Win10 (I know this for a fact, because I tried this…I didn’t want MS Access that much, even though I’m an MS Access programmer and have many Access databases, and I can use Numbers instead of Excel and Pages instead of Word for most other things). I generally run a single app in Parallels, next to my other MACINTOSH apps, and this works well for me. Parallels DOES use the MacOS printer drivers; quite frankly, sometimes these are a little different from the standard Windows printer drivers, and the formatting comes out differently. > > Note that I said I use Roots Magic on Parallels….and I use Roots Magic on the Mac as well. As it turns out, they do in fact both run with the same databases, which are located in my Mac side. I don’t try to run RM on both Parallels and Mac at the SAME time, one or the other. Otherwise I could unintentionally corrupt the databases, which I don’t want. Note that RM7 on the Mac is “primitive” at best, and is missing some of the features of RM7 on Windows; thus the reason I use both. I am anxiously awaiting the release of RM8 (which was supposed to happen by the end of 2019…it didn’t happen…and now RM is not even promising it for 2020…thus my dilemma with using RM: I cannot upgrade to Catalina, the current MacOS without losing ALL capability to run RM on my Mac). Presumably when RM8 is released, it will be native on both MacOS, and Windows and even Unix/Linux. But that hasn’t happened yet, so since Catalina REQUIRES 64-bit apps, and RM7 is still ONLY a 32-bit app, I’m stuck between updating. > > I choose NOT to run Windows from boot-mode. I have a Mac, because I want to use the MacOS, not Windows. Most of my home computer work is done on the Mac BY MY CHOICE. On the other hand, I still need to use Windows (and now Win10) since SunNFun uses Windows (and now upgrading all PCs to Win10…I still have about 70 PCs to upgrade prior to the SunNFun airshow that starts March 31st). > > As a former Unix/C user, I’ve considered Linux (in fact I took one of my old Windows computer and converted it to Linux), but wasn’t impressed with its usability. So I stopped using it. Back when I got paid, I wrote driver/sensor real-time drivers on Unix using C and later C++. > > Diana > >> On Jan 12, 2020, at 5:51 AM, Ian Strang <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> I used TMG 9 for many years and like many of you still find it the best genealogy software for my purposes. >> >> I am interested in your use of Parallels to run TMG9. I can run TMG9 in WinXP or Win7, as I choose, using the free Virtual Box (VB) emulator. As it happens I host VB in Linux but I could equally host it in recent versions of MS Windows, if I ran any of these. Most emulators use standard disk images which can be imported into other emulators. For example, VB disk images can be imported into VMWare. Here is a list of alternatives https://www.techjunkie.com/best-virtualbox-alternatives/ VB is free and will run under various operating systems guesting any version of MS Windows from way back, before WinXP, to the latest. Windows Virtual PC from MS was designed as an emulator to run earlier version of windows in Win7 but still works in Win10. >> >> Why not import your Parallels disk images into one of these emulators running in Win10, try VirtualBox I suggest . You can import the Parallels image from an old hard disk even if the computer will not boot. >> >> Also, we can run TMG9 freshly installed in any version of windows we choose in the emulator. All we need is a licence key to activate the TMG9 installation. We may also need an MS activation key for the guest operating system. Most of these systems allow installation and use for a trial period of about 30 days, so if you know what you are doing, this can be used to transfer one installation to another. >> >> Also, as a foot note, TMG9 can be run directly in Linux wine or even better in a guest windows emulator running in Linux as host. >> >> On 11/01/2020 16:31, Diana Carlson wrote: >>> The original Email for that is LOST: Disk drive crash, on a computer 4 times old (meaning that I’ve moved to 3 other computers since then). The information was saved as a text file and placed in a folder with the TMG installation executable, which is what was used to install it on my Mac, under Parallels, which did register correctly. The NEW Windows10 laptop that I took to the Cripe/Jones Family Reunion in May 2019 “worked” with TMG for a month….yes I THOUGHT I had registered it correctly, but found out after 30 days that it was not. I attempted to use the directions I got previously when I asked, that did not work. (Don’t ask me to remember what didn’t work at this point, that was more than 6 months ago; I’m getting old and my short-term memory is about 5 minutes nowadays). >>> >>> One of the reasons why I moved from my Mac, under Parallels, (the MacBookPro continues to be my primary computer) was because the Printer drivers for the Mac (which is also used under Parallels) does not format the reports the same. So I purchased the new Windows 10 laptop to run it there instead (THAT WORKED! For a month, that is), and I was informed that I had to move all the Windows 7 pcs at SNF over to Windows 10 (which I’ve already started, about 30 completed) prior to the airshow, that starts March 31, 2019. Since I didn’t USE Win10, I bought a new Win10 Laptop to learn how to use Win10, before it was too late. >>> >>> I think I correctly answered your question below. >>> >>> PS, I used to live in Nashua…before we moved to FL 15 years ago… My daughter just had a baby in Manchester 4 days ago :-). >

    01/12/2020 12:16:21
    1. [Refugees]Re: Welcome, thank you--and where do we go?
    2. Barbara Zanzig
    3. Time to trim the content and change the subject line, folks. -- Barbara Zanzig TMG-REFUGEES list mom admin email: [email protected]

    01/12/2020 12:36:45
    1. [Refugees]Re: Welcome, thank you--and where do we go? -- Virtualization on Linux
    2. Don Boyd
    3. Multiple replies mentioning virtualization of TMG on Linux systems -- here is my two cents for the readers. TMG 9 continues to run very stably on a Windows 10 virtual machine (VM), on a Debian Linux OS and a reasonably modern (~2 years) Intel tower computer.  I use Qemu and KVM for virtualization.  It's all free, except the Windows stuff. This means I can continue with John's TMG Utility and Second Site.  The only serious threat that I can think of, to continuing indefinitely with this configuration, would be that Microsoft could introduce something in a Win 10 update that would break compatibility with Visual FoxPro applications.  So far, so good .... Website built with Second Site is in my signature. Don Boyd http://www.landofthebuckeye.net/ -----Original Message----- From: Ian Strang via TMG-REFUGEES <[email protected]> To: Diana Carlson <[email protected]>; TMG-Refugees <[email protected]> Cc: Ian Strang <[email protected]> Sent: Sun, Jan 12, 2020 2:16 pm Subject: [Refugees]Re: Welcome, thank you--and where do we go? Dear Diana, Thanks for your interesting response. Just for the record and from my memory, TMG8 & TMG9 are very similar and probably use the same database structure. I only know about using TMG which I miss greatly. I used to run it in Linux natively which worked nearly 100% using wine or PlayOnLinux. Unfortunately these day are gone. I read so often about people struggling to run  versions of TMG in Windows10 and so on. In my experience the ideal solution is to run TMG under an operating system that it was designed for like WinXP,  Win7, or even earlier. Microsoft has provided Windows Virtual PC for this, although I have never used it. But there are many other emulators like VirtualBox which will run in Linux, Windows and other operating systems including the Mac. These setups are designed to run older programs and TMG will run perfectly with them. Further, it will interface with features from the newer host operating system. There is little need to worry about the old WinXP picking up a virus because: 1. it can be protected by either connecting only to the host, or by the connecting to the internet by protection provided by the host, or 2. in the event that it does get a virus, we can revert to a snapshot of the guest system taken before the virus appeared. I now use GRAMPS https://gramps-project.org <https://gramps-project.org/blog/> the free open source genealogy program which runs on Linux (& similar), Mac and windows. Learning it has been up a very steep curve: TMG was so intuitive and led me along prompting for the data which should be input at the appropriate time. GRAMPS will do all that very effectively but nothing is intuitive to me and I am still learning. The big advantage is that it is open source and I can go in and edit or write programs in python to do what I want. GRAMPS will generate a website but John Cardinal has written GedSite https://www.gedsite.com/en/index.htm which will import a GEDCOM file and generate a configurable website. GedSite output it is similar to SecondSite for TMG by him but gets its input from a GEDCOM file exported from whichever genealogy program we are using. GRAMPS exports a GEDCOM file with a few peculiarities but with a bit of simple manipulation with a python program it provides clean input to GedSite which generates a good looking website. The other advantage of GRAMPS is that it is unlikely to be suddenly discontinued or made hard to maintain by components of it being taken over by firms who then abandon development, like VisualFoxPro. GRAMPS is also free. Kind wishes, Ian On 12/01/2020 12:19, Diana Carlson wrote: > Ian, > > First off, I do NOT have a key for TMG9, I have and use a key for TMG8.  For Parallels, it actually comes with a copy of Win10, which it installs on top of Parallels, when Parallels is installed.  There is no activation key, it is a “free” copy of Win10.  As long as you don’t use anything “complex”, it does not require an activation key.  So, for example, for the few apps that I use on Parallels (umm, TMG, Roots Magic, Nitro PDF, PaintShopPro), I don’t need or require a key for Win10. If you want to run MS Access or MS Excel, as an example, under Parallels, you WOULD be required to pay for a key to Win10 (I know this for a fact, because I tried this…I didn’t want MS Access that much, even though I’m an MS Access programmer and have many Access databases, and I can use Numbers instead of Excel and Pages instead of Word for most other things).  I generally run a single app in Parallels, next to my other MACINTOSH apps, and this works well for me.  Parallels DOES use the MacOS printer drivers; quite frankly, sometimes these are a little different from the standard Windows printer drivers, and the formatting comes out differently. > > Note that I said I use Roots Magic on Parallels….and I use Roots Magic on the Mac as well.  As it turns out, they do in fact both run with the same databases, which are located in my Mac side.  I don’t try to run RM on both Parallels and Mac at the SAME time, one or the other.  Otherwise I could unintentionally corrupt the databases, which I don’t want.  Note that RM7 on the Mac is “primitive” at best, and is missing some of the features of RM7 on Windows; thus the reason I use both.  I am anxiously awaiting the release of RM8 (which was supposed to happen by the end of 2019…it didn’t happen…and now RM is not even promising it for 2020…thus my dilemma with using RM:  I cannot upgrade to Catalina, the current MacOS without losing ALL capability to run RM on my Mac).  Presumably when RM8 is released, it will be native on both MacOS, and Windows and even Unix/Linux.  But that hasn’t happened yet, so since Catalina REQUIRES 64-bit apps, and RM7 is still ONLY a 32-bit app, I’m stuck between updating. > > I choose NOT to run Windows from boot-mode.  I have a Mac, because I want to use the MacOS, not Windows.  Most of my home computer work is done on the Mac BY MY CHOICE.  On the other hand, I still need to use Windows (and now Win10) since SunNFun uses Windows (and now upgrading all PCs to Win10…I still have about 70 PCs to upgrade prior to the SunNFun airshow that starts March 31st). > > As a former Unix/C user, I’ve considered Linux (in fact I took one of my old Windows computer and converted it to Linux), but wasn’t impressed with its usability.  So I stopped using it.  Back when I got paid, I wrote driver/sensor real-time drivers on Unix using C and later C++. > > Diana > >> On Jan 12, 2020, at 5:51 AM, Ian Strang <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> I used TMG 9 for many years and like many of you still find it the best genealogy software for my purposes. >> >> I am interested in your use of Parallels to run TMG9.  I can run TMG9 in WinXP or Win7, as I choose, using the free Virtual Box (VB) emulator. As it happens I host VB in Linux but I could equally host it in recent versions of MS Windows, if I ran any of these.  Most emulators use standard disk images which can be imported into other emulators. For example, VB disk images can be imported into  VMWare.  Here is a list of alternatives https://www.techjunkie.com/best-virtualbox-alternatives/ VB is free and will run under various operating systems guesting any version of MS Windows from way back, before WinXP,  to the latest. Windows Virtual PC from MS was designed as an emulator to run earlier version of windows in Win7 but still works in Win10. >> >> Why not import your Parallels disk images into one of these emulators running in Win10, try VirtualBox I suggest . You can import the Parallels image from an old hard disk even if the computer will not boot. >> >> Also, we can run TMG9 freshly installed in any version of windows we choose in the emulator. All we need is a licence key to activate the TMG9 installation. We may also need an MS activation key for the guest operating system. Most of these systems allow installation and use for a trial period of about 30 days, so if you know what you are doing, this can be used to transfer one installation to another. >> >> Also, as a foot note, TMG9 can be run directly in Linux wine or even better in a guest windows emulator running in Linux as host. >> >> On 11/01/2020 16:31, Diana Carlson wrote: >>> The original Email for that is LOST:  Disk drive crash, on a computer 4 times old (meaning that I’ve moved to 3 other computers since then).  The information was saved as a text file and placed in a folder with the TMG installation executable, which is what was used to install it on my Mac, under Parallels, which did register correctly.  The NEW Windows10 laptop that I took to the Cripe/Jones Family Reunion in May 2019 “worked” with TMG for a month….yes I THOUGHT I had registered it correctly, but found out after 30 days that it was not.  I attempted to use the directions I got previously when I asked, that did not work. (Don’t ask me to remember what didn’t work at this point, that was more than 6 months ago; I’m getting old and my short-term memory is about 5 minutes nowadays). >>> >>> One of the reasons why I moved from my Mac, under Parallels,  (the MacBookPro continues to be my primary computer) was because the Printer drivers for the Mac (which is also used under Parallels) does not format the reports the same.  So I purchased the new Windows 10 laptop to run it there instead (THAT WORKED!  For a month, that is), and I was informed that I had to move all the Windows 7 pcs at SNF over to Windows 10 (which I’ve already started, about 30 completed) prior to the airshow, that starts March 31, 2019.  Since I didn’t USE Win10, I bought a new Win10 Laptop to learn how to use Win10, before it was too late. >>> >>> I think I correctly answered your question below. >>> >>> PS, I used to live in Nashua…before we moved to FL 15 years ago… My daughter just had a baby in Manchester 4 days ago :-). > _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

    01/12/2020 01:40:07
    1. [Refugees]Re: Welcome, thank you--and where do we go? -- Virtualization on Linux
    2. John Cordes
    3. Don, Thanks for your contribution to this discussion. I have often considered running TMG under Linux myself, being a long-time Linux user and not overly fond of Windows. By now I have invested a lot into a large number of Windows utility programs (disk and backup utilities mostly, also an Explorer replacement). It's also convenient in my household to have my Win 10 machine available every now and then. I function by sitting at the Windows machine, with a terminal program open to one of our Linux machines. I'm typing this now on an ancient Linux box, using a plain text email program (Mutt). I also enjoyed looking at your website, especially (so far) the "about this site" section. Thanks for posting! John Cordes https://genealogy.johncordes.ca On Sun, Jan 12, 2020 at 08:40:07PM +0000, Don Boyd via TMG-REFUGEES wrote: > Multiple replies mentioning virtualization of TMG on Linux systems -- here is my two cents for the readers. > TMG 9 continues to run very stably on a Windows 10 virtual machine (VM), on a Debian Linux OS and a reasonably modern (~2 years) Intel tower computer.  I use Qemu and KVM for virtualization.  It's all free, except the Windows stuff. This means I can continue with John's TMG Utility and Second Site.  The only serious threat that I can think of, to continuing indefinitely with this configuration, would be that Microsoft could introduce something in a Win 10 update that would break compatibility with Visual FoxPro applications.  So far, so good .... > Website built with Second Site is in my signature. > > Don Boyd > http://www.landofthebuckeye.net/

    01/12/2020 02:08:29