Would the folks on this list find it helpful to start a list of tips for data clean-up within TMG? If so, please share, and I will make a page for it on the website. On 10/3/14, 8:10 AM, Barb M. via wrote: (I am now comparing my TMG sentences to what actually imports using RM direct imports - and making some adjustments to my TMG sentences . And with TMG Utilities - you can get a list of how many times you use each Role. I’m amazed at how many times, I only use a role once. Time to start cleaning up my data.) > > ~ Barb >

Looked recently at the the latest versions of RM and Legacy (full paid versions) and found the following. TMG: Source citations can be set to on or off to display in reports, website, etc, output. RM: No can do in the current version as far as I know. Legacy: Similar to TMG, source citations can be set to on or off to display in reports, website, etc, output. To List Admins or other interested: Please add this info to the google groups site. This is significant in that many TMG users record source citations for all records found regarding events (TMG) or facts (RM). In TMG, this is terrific, because you see and have on-screen all source material for an event and choose which to show in a report or website. This looks like a simple "add" feature to RootsMagic, so here's hoping they can do it. Tom M.

-----Original Message----- From: tmg-refugees-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:tmg-refugees-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Barbara Zanzig via Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2014 8:30 PM To: Refugees Subject: [REFUGEES] Administrivia for 1 October, particularly concerning Refugees website Greetings to everyone, and welcome to the list (and website.) Sorry for the long message but it's been a busy week for TMG refugees everywhere. I want to address a couple of things that have come up this week. <snip> Barbara Zanzig TMG-REFUGEES list admin Great update, thanks! Good to know that the weblinks in the google groups website will be checked from time to time - thanks! Tom M.

Roots Magic has some real problems with the direct import of TMG. Too many for me right now. I did try the new enhanced GEDCOM from TMG as suggested earlier in the TMG list. It was very successful in bringing over all my census event witnesses with their assigned roles. I hear that Legacy is still working toward a direct import and would suggest that folks continue using TMG and trying out other options before making a final decision. Overall I found Legacy to work quite well for me, maintaining my TMG ID numbers was also very important to me. It is hard to be patient with all the notes concerning the "future" but TMG still works and we have time to make a decision that works for us. Haste does make waste and Windows 7 (for me anyway) works fine right now and runs my TMG9 , Legacy8 and RM6 also just fine. I personally think that Legacy will offer the best choice for me... time will tell. RM6 is a good program but the limitations for a TMG user are, for me, a real probkem. Neil Bell (TMG user since version 3) --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Given John Cardinal's reputation for delivering quality products, I'm sure it will be good. The existing product has grown over the years. I expect it is unrealistic to think the Gedcom product will roll out with all the same bells and whistles. Even the early versions of Second Site offered lots of options for customizations. Here's a web site that was put together some years ago providing links to web sites generated with Second Site. It gives a good idea of just how flexible the product is. http://winters-online.net/ss2websites/All/index.html Sheila Altenbernd -----Original Message----- From: Tom Holden via Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2014 5:43 PM To: Julie Rosales ; tmg-refugees@rootsweb.com Cc: wharcher@cvd.co.uk Subject: Re: [REFUGEES] Looking at possibility of changing to a new program Personally, I am looking forward to seeing what Second Site - GEDCOM will be able to do as I have never been very happy with what RM itself is capable of generating. It is intended to give convenient capability to produce a basic website. One should probably not expect to have a sophisticated, flexible website generator included in a genealogy database system which is why products such as Second Site and The Next Generation exist and can cost as much or more. Tom

Your better bet is that Second Site will do a good job with the GEDCOM export from RootsMagic, better than the RootsMagic generated website. The RootsMagic hosted sites are generated from the RootsMagic software but can be hosted independently without the 50 MB limit imposed by the free host. Apart from the main page, unless search engines can crawl JavaScript, it is not indexed by Google, etc. There is very little freedom to customise but there is control over who and what is exported to the website. Personally, I am looking forward to seeing what Second Site - GEDCOM will be able to do as I have never been very happy with what RM itself is capable of generating. It is intended to give convenient capability to produce a basic website. One should probably not expect to have a sophisticated, flexible website generator included in a genealogy database system which is why products such as Second Site and The Next Generation exist and can cost as much or more. Tom > On Oct 2, 2014, at 6:11 PM, Julie Rosales via <tmg-refugees@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Hi all. I use Second Site to publish my genealogy, and really enjoy the > ability to add pages, and customize my site using filtered TMG places, > people facts, etc. > > My question deals with the RM hosted site... can you add custom pages and > if so does the code have to be manually edited each time the site is > uploaded? One thing about John's software is the ability to save the custom > editions... i.e. I don't have to edit the code and change the custom pages > unless I want to, and they are uploaded automatically. > > One other question... is the RM site indexed by Google, etc. so folks can > find you? > > Julie > *** > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TMG-REFUGEES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the message subject and body. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TMG-REFUGEES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi all. I use Second Site to publish my genealogy, and really enjoy the ability to add pages, and customize my site using filtered TMG places, people facts, etc. My question deals with the RM hosted site... can you add custom pages and if so does the code have to be manually edited each time the site is uploaded? One thing about John's software is the ability to save the custom editions... i.e. I don't have to edit the code and change the custom pages unless I want to, and they are uploaded automatically. One other question... is the RM site indexed by Google, etc. so folks can find you? Julie

I sent this originally to TMG as I was having trouble getting onto this list but, if you are reading it now, my problem has obviously been solved with the help of the List Administrator Also thank you to Tom Holden who posted my original message to this list. Tom I have read your message and the RootsMagic website list will help me partly answer mt query “I have been looking at the list messages but I haven’t seen any discussion on one point that particularly interests me – one thing that probably would make me decide on which new program to go to all other things being equal. I use John Cardinal’s Second Site program for displaying TMG on the internet. I have two public internet websites which I use as “mousetraps”  which have helped me to make contact with people who have the same interests as myself and there have also been other websites that need passwords in which I can share more details with family members. I am particularly interested in what list members think about website facilities of other programs and perhaps they may be able to give me addresses to go to where I could look at what other people have done” TIA Jim <mailto:familytreesearching@gmail.com> familytreesearching@gmail.com <http://shampayne.org.nz/> http://shampayne.org.nz/ <http://www.murchisonquake.shampayne.org.nz/> http://www.murchisonquake.shampayne.org.nz/ <http://ourpedigrees.shampayne.org.nz/> http://ourpedigrees.shampayne.org.nz/

Edited. Barbara, RM (direct import): [COUNTY], [STATE], Deed records C:436-7, Wyllys Silliman to John Cochran, 29 May 1812, digital image, [OWNER OR CREATOR], [SITE TITLE] ([SITE URL]" [SITE DATE]). Do these source elements exist in the global source type template or are they only found in a source-level overridden template? You need to show the global template for that source type. RM only imports the global source type templates and does not import source-level over-ridden templates. Jim *** To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TMG-REFUGEES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the message subject and body. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TMG-REFUGEES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Barbara, RM (direct import): [COUNTY], [STATE], Deed records C:436-7, Wyllys Silliman to John Cochran, 29 May 1812, digital image, [OWNER OR CREATOR], [SITE TITLE] ([SITE URL]" [SITE DATE]). Do these source elements exist in the global source type template or they only found in a source-level overridden template? You need to show the global template for that source type. RM only imports the global source type templates does not import source-level over-ridden templates. Jim

Which version of RM did you do the direct import with? Was it the latest (6.3.3.1)? Also keep in mind that with the GEDCOM imports (both Legacy and RM) you are losing your source templates. Those sources via GEDCOM above are just text at that point (there are no longer template fields). - Bruce On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 10:33 AM, karenhappuch via <tmg-refugees@rootsweb.com > wrote: > I'm moving my portion of this discussion from the TMG-L to this list. I'd > responded there thinking it was the Refugees list. > > Background: I'd run 1 generation report on a direct ancestor who has > about 3 dozen events with many citations. The reports were run in TMG, > Legacy, and RM and included end notes. I selected one citation which > demonstrated fairly typical source results with TMG imports into these two > programs. The Legacy was from a non-enhanced TMG 9.03 gedcom import and > the RM from the direct import. At Tom Holden's request, I also added the > end note as it appeared in RM from my original non-enhanced TMG 9.03 > import. (And I've have chosen a better sample if I'd known they would end > up in several posts.) > > TMG: > Muskingum County, Ohio, Deed records C:436-7, Wyllys Silliman to John > Cochran, 29 May 182, digital image, Muskingum County, Muskingum County > Recorder's Office Online Searches > (http://recorder.muskingumcounty.org/mcreconline.html: accessed July > 2011). > > Legacy: > Deed Wyllys Silliman to John Cochran: Muskingum County Recorder's Office > Online Searches, Record: Deed records, Owner Or Creator: Muskingum County, > State: Ohio, County: Muskingum County,Volume: C, age 436-7, Site Date: > accessed July 2011, Record Info: Wyllys Silliman to John Cochran, Site Url: > http://recorder.muskingumcounty.org/mcreconline.html (29 May 1812). > > RM (direct import): > [COUNTY], [STATE], Deed records C:436-7, Wyllys Silliman to John Cochran, > 29 > May 1812, digital image, [OWNER OR CREATOR], [SITE TITLE] ([SITE URL]" > [SITE > DATE]). > > RM (my original non-enhanced Gedcom import) > Deed Wyllys Silliman to John Cochran: Muskingum County Recorder's Office > Online Searches, Record Type: Deed records, Owner Or Creator: Muskingum > County, State: Ohio, County: Muskingum County, Volume: C, Page: 436-7, Site > Date: accessed July 2011, Record Info: Wyllys Silliman to John Cochran, > Site Url: http://recorder.muskingumcounty.org/mcreconline.html (29 May > 1812). > > Tom also asked if I'd followed RM's suggestions prior to doing the RM > direct import. No. Those suggestions would mean making numerous changes > to my TMG sources. I am still using TMG and plan to continue using it for > some things, SS and some report, for quite a while. My TMG sources have > been carefully set up as I prefer and I am not messing those up. There was > a huge amount of time and effort expended in creating them. > > The summary for my main TMG dataset shows 149 source types, 2099 sources, > and over 33,000 citations. Many of my sources are also modified locally. I > think the one person that I know personally on this list is more of a > "splitter" than me and likely has a great many more sources. That's a big > cleanup job. > > Barbara S. > > > *** > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TMG-REFUGEES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the message subject and body. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TMG-REFUGEES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Global source template for this source. Full footnote: [COUNTY], [STATE], [RECORD TYPE]< [VOLUME]:><[PAGE],>< [RECORD INFO]><,[DATE]>, digital image, <[OWNER OR CREATOR],> <[SITE TITLE]> ([SITE URL]<: [SITE DATE]>). Short footnote: [COUNTY], [STATE], [RECORD TYPE]< [VOLUME]:><[PAGE]>. Bibliography: [STATE]. [COUNTY]. [RECORD TYPE]<, [PERIOD]>. [REPOSITORY]<, [REPOSITORY ADDRESS]>. Digital images.< [OWNER OR CREATOR].>< [SITE TITLE].> [SITE URL]<: [SITE DATE]>. This is a custom source type and is one of several dozen custom source types that I (probably badly) tried to base on Evidence Explained. Barbara ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Byram via" <tmg-refugees@rootsweb.com> To: <tmg-refugees@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2014 10:17 AM Subject: Re: [REFUGEES] Source import discussion from "big TMG list" > Edited. > > Barbara, > > RM (direct import): > [COUNTY], [STATE], Deed records C:436-7, Wyllys Silliman to John Cochran, > 29 > May 1812, digital image, [OWNER OR CREATOR], [SITE TITLE] ([SITE URL]" > [SITE > DATE]). > > Do these source elements exist in the global source type template or are > they only found in a source-level overridden template? > > You need to show the global template for that source type. > > RM only imports the global source type templates and does not import > source-level over-ridden templates. > > Jim > > > *** > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TMG-REFUGEES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the message subject and body. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TMG-REFUGEES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > *** > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TMG-REFUGEES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the message subject and body. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TMG-REFUGEES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I'm moving my portion of this discussion from the TMG-L to this list. I'd responded there thinking it was the Refugees list. Background: I'd run 1 generation report on a direct ancestor who has about 3 dozen events with many citations. The reports were run in TMG, Legacy, and RM and included end notes. I selected one citation which demonstrated fairly typical source results with TMG imports into these two programs. The Legacy was from a non-enhanced TMG 9.03 gedcom import and the RM from the direct import. At Tom Holden's request, I also added the end note as it appeared in RM from my original non-enhanced TMG 9.03 import. (And I've have chosen a better sample if I'd known they would end up in several posts.) TMG: Muskingum County, Ohio, Deed records C:436-7, Wyllys Silliman to John Cochran, 29 May 182, digital image, Muskingum County, Muskingum County Recorder's Office Online Searches (http://recorder.muskingumcounty.org/mcreconline.html: accessed July 2011). Legacy: Deed Wyllys Silliman to John Cochran: Muskingum County Recorder's Office Online Searches, Record: Deed records, Owner Or Creator: Muskingum County, State: Ohio, County: Muskingum County,Volume: C, age 436-7, Site Date: accessed July 2011, Record Info: Wyllys Silliman to John Cochran, Site Url:http://recorder.muskingumcounty.org/mcreconline.html (29 May 1812). RM (direct import): [COUNTY], [STATE], Deed records C:436-7, Wyllys Silliman to John Cochran, 29 May 1812, digital image, [OWNER OR CREATOR], [SITE TITLE] ([SITE URL]" [SITE DATE]). RM (my original non-enhanced Gedcom import) Deed Wyllys Silliman to John Cochran: Muskingum County Recorder's Office Online Searches, Record Type: Deed records, Owner Or Creator: Muskingum County, State: Ohio, County: Muskingum County, Volume: C, Page: 436-7, Site Date: accessed July 2011, Record Info: Wyllys Silliman to John Cochran, Site Url: http://recorder.muskingumcounty.org/mcreconline.html (29 May 1812). Tom also asked if I'd followed RM's suggestions prior to doing the RM direct import. No. Those suggestions would mean making numerous changes to my TMG sources. I am still using TMG and plan to continue using it for some things, SS and some report, for quite a while. My TMG sources have been carefully set up as I prefer and I am not messing those up. There was a huge amount of time and effort expended in creating them. The summary for my main TMG dataset shows 149 source types, 2099 sources, and over 33,000 citations. Many of my sources are also modified locally. I think the one person that I know personally on this list is more of a "splitter" than me and likely has a great many more sources. That's a big cleanup job. Barbara S.

Thanks for the catch and revision! Once we are a bit farther along on the website, we will review and edit each other's work more systematically so that we correct errors of fact, remove evaluative statements, etc. In the meantime, let's all keep an eye out for things that need to be fixed in one way or another. More on that later. Barbara -- Barbara Levergood levergood@att.net <div>-------- Original message --------</div><div>From: Glenn Cox via <tmg-refugees@rootsweb.com> </div><div>Date:10/02/2014 6:21 AM (GMT-05:00) </div><div>To: TMG-Refugees@rootsweb.com </div><div>Subject: Re: [REFUGEES] [TMG-REFUGEES] Family entry mode </div><div> </div>I noticed an error in my original post -- the Legacy Source Clipboard seems to have a capacity of 5 sources, not 10. I've corrected this on the website. Glenn *** To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TMG-REFUGEES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the message subject and body. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TMG-REFUGEES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I noticed an error in my original post -- the Legacy Source Clipboard seems to have a capacity of 5 sources, not 10. I've corrected this on the website. Glenn

Barbara, I posted the findings on the website, but they could probably use some prettying up. Glenn -----Original Message----- From: Barbara Levergood [mailto:levergood@att.net] Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2014 8:05 PM To: glenncox@lcdc.com; tmg-refugees@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [REFUGEES] [TMG-REFUGEES] Family entry mode Hi Glenn, It seems like this is a busy time for a lot of us, but I wanted to respond to thank you for the post! Efficiency of data-entry and navigation are of great concern to me because I spend so much time doing it. I want a new software program that enables me to work quickly and accurately and that fits my style of working. So, I would like to discuss this further later on. Would you be interested in posting your findings on the website, or, alternatively, would you like me to do it for you? If so, here is a good home: https://sites.google.com/site/tmgrefugees/software/software-comparison/effic iency-testing Barbara

Hi Glenn, It seems like this is a busy time for a lot of us, but I wanted to respond to thank you for the post! Efficiency of data-entry and navigation are of great concern to me because I spend so much time doing it. I want a new software program that enables me to work quickly and accurately and that fits my style of working. So, I would like to discuss this further later on. Would you be interested in posting your findings on the website, or, alternatively, would you like me to do it for you? If so, here is a good home: https://sites.google.com/site/tmgrefugees/software/software-comparison/efficiency-testing Barbara On 10/1/2014 7:37 AM, Glenn Cox via wrote: > I've been doing some tests with RootsMagic and Legacy to see how easy it is > to enter a household from the census. I don't know if anyone else is > particularly interested in that, but I thought I'd post my experience in > case it helps someone. > > I was concentrating on features that I have found to be helpful for the way > I do things: > > - Not needing to repeatedly switch between the keyboard and mouse > - A repeat key (or, less helpful, an autocomplete) > - Being able to apply a source citation to all household members > automatically > - Being able to select which tags/events/facts appear in the entry form > > With both programs, I entered the same family from the 1910 census (two > parents, 4 children). For each person, I entered name, gender, birth year, > birth place, occupation, relationship, living flag, and a census source > citation. I entered the marriage year of the parents. > > Both programs had features that helped streamline the process. Both had > things I wish were better. > > RM: > > Plusses: > - Alt-key equivalents for most mouse actions and tabbing between fields > - autocomplete for place names based on places you've previously used > - You can "Memorize" a single source citation and paste it into other > family members > - Person data entry form can be customized > > Minuses: > - no repeat key > > Legacy: > > Plusses: > - Keyboard shortcuts for most mouse actions and tabbing between most > fields > - repeat key for fields in the person entry form > - "source clipboard" to copy and paste up to 10 source citations > > Minuses: > - Some often-needed controls and options require the mouse (e.g. Living > flag) > - no repeat key in the source entry form > - cannot customize data entry forms > > Based on this one small test, I believe I could make either program work for > me. Each one has advantages over the other. RM does a better job of avoiding > the need to shuffle between keyboard and mouse and lets you customize the > fields that show up in the entry form. Legacy has a repeat key that's active > in at least part of the entry process and has a more robust source > copy/paste. Overall, I found it somewhat easier to enter the family in RM > and if I had to choose between the two based on this one type of activity, I > would probably select it. RM would be the clear winner if it had a repeat > key. > > I'm just getting started with these programs and I may be unaware of some > important features. If anyone sees something I overlooked, please let me > know. I was using the paid version of RM (v6.3.3.0) and the trial version of > LFT (v8.0.0.439) . > > Glenn Cox > > *** > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TMG-REFUGEES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the message subject and body. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TMG-REFUGEES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Barbara Levergood levergood@att.net

Use this search to find examples of web sites from RootsMagic. You will see two different kinds: a) static html, the output from what is currently the Create HTML pages function b) heavily JavaScripted and XML, the output from what is currently the Publish Online function. And then there will be various customisations. https://www.google.com/search?q=%22Created+*+with+RootsMagic+Genealogy+Software%22 Tom On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 5:11 PM, Janis Rodriguez via < tmg-refugees@rootsweb.com> wrote: > This sounds like a good addition to the Google site comparing the various > products... > > Jan > > Begin forwarded message: > > > From: James Payne via <tmg@rootsweb.com> > > Subject: [TMG] Looking at possibility of changing to a new program > > Date: September 30, 2014 at 4:53:20 PM EDT > > To: "TMG" <tmg@rootsweb.com> > > Reply-To: James Payne <familytreesearching@gmail.com>, tmg@rootsweb.com > > > > I have been looking at the list messages but I haven’t seen any > discussion on one point that particularly interests me – one thing that > probably would make me decide on which new program to go to all other > things being equal. > > > > > > > > I use John Cardinal’s Second Site program for displaying TMG on the > internet. I have two public internet websites which I use as “mousetraps” >  which have helped me to make contact with people who have the same > interests as myself and there have also been other websites that need > passwords in which I can share more details with family members. > > > > > > > > I am particularly interested in what list members think about website > facilities of other programs and perhaps they may be able to give me > addresses to go to where I could look at what other people have done > > > > > > > > TIA > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim > > > > familysearching@gmail.com <mailto:familysearching@gmail.com> > > > > http://shampayne.org.nz/ > > > > http://www.murchisonquake.shampayne.org.nz/ > > > > http://ourpedigrees.shampayne.org.nz/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The TMG archive is found here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ > > Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TMG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > *** > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TMG-REFUGEES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the message subject and body. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TMG-REFUGEES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Greetings to everyone, and welcome to the list (and website.) Sorry for the long message but it's been a busy week for TMG refugees everywhere. I want to address a couple of things that have come up this week. I want to thank everyone for your contributions, and especially want to thank Barbara Levergood for her help organizing the site and getting content in place, and Tom Holden for his substantial contributions. Barbara has full admin access to the site, in case I'm not available, but all of you have full write access if you're subscribed (if not, why not?) We are undergoing some growing pains. We're over 100 members now. I'm attending to your admin requests as quickly as I can, and Barbara L stands by to help you add any content you think should go up. We are learning as we go, so please be generous minded and patient with any perceived slip-ups. Please report any anomalies you find so we can check them. Many of you saw the message yesterday about possible bad links on the website. It does seem we had some, but they were inadvertent, and they've been cleaned up (thanks, Tom!) We are monitoring all changes to the website (you can too, it's entirely open). Of necessity, with a collaborative effort such as we have, there is some risk that someone will insert a bad link or worse, and we'll be working on some guidelines that should help you check for the most common problems. But that said, your contributions are welcome, and don't worry about making a mistake. We're tolerant of mistakes. I strongly believe that each of you has something add to this effort, if only your questions, so I don't want to close the website unless I have to. It is a calculated risk. To answer the question yesterday, you each need to use your own judgement about sharing the site, and make anyone you share it with aware as well. Be assured that we are taking backups, we are checking links, we are monitoring page activity so that if someone chooses to abuse the write privilege, we can recover quickly and gracefully. If someone does attack the site, we'll re-evaluate the policy and you will know about it. I am comparing subscriptions to the Rootsweb mailing list with requests for access to the website to try to prevent malicious access. I understand not everyone falls into the one-email-address category, so if for some reason I need to confirm your email or status, please respond to my query emails timely so I can establish you're a real person and not an evil bot. As stated on both the mailing list and the website, contributions are expected to be factual and neutral. I appreciate the strong emotion that this stuff can raise, but as with Wikipedia, this isn't the place for advocacy. If someone edits your material and you have an issue with it, please try first to resolve it with the editor; if not, please contact me. There will be some housekeeping details going into the website shortly. If you have a page, or create a page, please use the established templates so that you pick up the latest details. You can expect the site to continue to evolve, as we try to make it as useful and as easy to use as possible. Your ideas are welcome; drop Barbara L and/or me a line! -- Barbara Zanzig TMG-REFUGEES list admin admin email: *TMG-REFUGEES-admin@rootsweb.com <TMG-REFUGEES-admin@rootsweb.com>* list address: *http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Miscellaneous/TMG-REFUGEES.html <http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Miscellaneous/TMG-REFUGEES.html>* list website: *https://sites.google.com/site/tmgrefugees <https://sites.google.com/site/tmgrefugees>*

Tom, The links, at least the ones in the body of the page, look fine to me. I did have to allow firefox to redirect the SQLite one (which is legit). Lorna Henderson http://LornaHen.com On 1/10/14 13:24, Barbara Zanzig via wrote: > I'm not seeing the same behavior with suspicious links, Tom. What I may > have seen is a malformed shortened URL? > > Yes, we've thought about the implications of write access. It's a mixed > bag, letting everyone write on the web page. Either one or a small group > has to maintain it--and then you rely on us having time to do it--or we let > everyone write on it, or we somehow manage what pages over 100 members have > write access to (which makes my head hurt, just thinking about it.) > > I don't think anyone is adding bad stuff intentionally and overall I'm very > happy with how people have managed the site. Mistakes may happen, but we'll > take care of them. > > I verify that people are subscribed to the mailing list before I add them > to the website. In addition, I see the log of every change--and you can > subscribe to that stream too if you wish to. > > If anyone DOES find a bad link, please remove it yourself or bring it to > mine or Barbara L's attention so we can take care of it. > > I'm thinking that we'll convert the website to mostly read-only after it > settles down a little bit, but until I see evidence of evil intent I'm > willing to have the risk of having the website open, for everyone's > convenience during this particularly active stage. We are monitoring and > have plans in place to close it down quickly if it comes under attack. > > Barbara > > On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 5:01 PM, Tom Momeyer <tom@momeyer.com> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> >> >> Appreciate the work going into the TMG Refugees Rootsweb list and the >> Google Groups site. As I explored the google groups site, I found that >> clicking on a few of the weblinks leads to an internet virus attack that my >> Norton Antivirus software stops and reports. Examples for locations >> include some of the RootsMagic links on this page: >> https://sites.google.com/site/tmgrefugees/software/support-documentation/rootsmagic. >> >> >> >> >> I copied some of the "links" noted above to notepad and see that the links >> do not look like real and they do look suspicious. >> >> >> >> So, I also noticed that all members are given "write" privileges, so >> perhaps this is how the bogus links crept in and must be one or more >> members with "ill" intent? >> >> >> >> Has this been discussed or considered by the google group founder or >> founders? Is it possible to have a google group allowing all member >> "write" access without associated virus risks? >> >> >> >> Reason I'm asking, is that this weekend, I'm attending a local TMG & SS >> user group meeting, where I have facilitated in the past and assisted >> others with TMG and SS issues, setup, customization, etc. I'm sure that >> TMG demise will come up, and I can offer some info on my explorations into >> RootsMagic, TMG Refugees, etc, but don't want to provide links to the >> google group that may have virus links built in. >> >> >> >> Thanks, Tom >> >> >> >> >> -- > Barbara Zanzig > TMG-REFUGEES list admin > admin email: *TMG-REFUGEES-admin@rootsweb.com > <TMG-REFUGEES-admin@rootsweb.com>* > list address: *http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Miscellaneous/TMG-REFUGEES.html > <http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Miscellaneous/TMG-REFUGEES.html>* > list website: *https://sites.google.com/site/tmgrefugees > <https://sites.google.com/site/tmgrefugees>* > *** > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TMG-REFUGEES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the message subject and body. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TMG-REFUGEES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message