At 4/4/2018 1:03 PM, Robert Thorpe wrote: >Second, Lee recommended that I assign all exhibits as "external" exhibits. >After I had loaded about half of mine, I noticed that they were all >"internal" exhibits. I guess that is the default. So I had to go back and What type of exhibits are you using? Image files are controlled by TMG Preferences to be: Internal, External Link, Ask each time. In a quick test, a text file added to an event came in as external. Heck -- I just added a .TXT, .PNG, .RTF, .BMP, and .PDF; ALL came in as External -- the .png and .bmp asked how I wanted them, the .pdf warned that TMG can't embed them in reports, and the .txt and .rtf just quietly came in as externals with no additional prompts. -- [email protected] Dennis Lee Bieber HTTP://home.earthlink.net/~bieber.genealogy/

-----Original Message----- From: Dennis Lee Bieber [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, April 4, 2018 2:43 PM To: The Master Genealogist Rootsweb Email List <[email protected]> Subject: [TMG] Re: Location of exhibits - Additional comments/questions > What type of exhibits are you using? Most are scans of official documents like birth certificates saved as JPGs > Image files are controlled by TMG Preferences to be: Internal, External Link, Ask each time. I think this is what I was after, Thanks In a quick test, a text file added to an event came in as external. Heck -- I just added a .TXT, .PNG, .RTF, .BMP, and .PDF; ALL came in as External -- the .png and .bmp asked how I wanted them, the .pdf warned that TMG can't embed them in reports, and the .txt and .rtf just quietly came in as externals with no additional prompts. Could you try a JPG and see what it does? Thanks, Robert Thorpe

At 4/4/2018 4:20 PM, Robert Thorpe wrote: > >Could you try a JPG and see what it does? > Same behavior for me -- Pop-up asking if I want External or Internal (you know, I should probably change my default to just external <G>) Normally I only use JPEG for web-sites (my ISP gives me 10MB per email address for web storage). For other usage I tend to favor PNG, as it is lossless. JPEG loses rapidly changing detail to preserve color impression, while GIF loses color [only 256 distinct colors per image] to preserve detail. And for photography -- my cameras are set to "RAW+JPEG", RAW for my use, JPEG to distribute to others during the shoot. -- [email protected] Dennis Lee Bieber HTTP://home.earthlink.net/~bieber.genealogy/

At 4/4/2018 14:03, Robert Thorpe wrote >Thanks to all of you who responded to my original "Location of >exhibits" question. After a false start or two, I managed to assign >my exhibits to their appropriate tags in my database. I did have a >little frustration because I had to load each exhibit to individual >tags (with the exception of the "marriage" tag which assigned the >same exhibit to the wife's marriage tag when I added it to the husband). Exhibits can be attached to people, events, Sources, or Repositories. There is no _need_ to attach Exhibits to events. TMG doesn't care. It will find the Exhibit in the specified folder by the given filename. If you tell TMG to look for Exhibits in the Exhibits folder, and the Exhibit is actually in the Photos subfolder of the Exhibits folder then TMG may not find it unless you have told it to search in subfolders. >There were a couple of things that would have made things much >handier but I couldn't figure out how to get TMG to do them: > >First, what I would have liked to have done was load an exhibit to a >source (which you can do), but it would have been nice to have the >exhibits for those sources automatically be added to an individual's >exhibits when one of those sources was cited. I tried it but it >didn't work. Is there some way to do this that I just couldn't figure out. No, this is not possible. This would require a re-structuring of the TMG files. It might be that a report could be devised that would do what you want. But that would have to be a third party program at this point, and I doubt it would ever happen. >Second, Lee recommended that I assign all exhibits as "external" exhibits. I'll qualify that by saying that some text-only files would be good candidates for being Internal. >After I had loaded about half of mine, I noticed that they were all >"internal" exhibits. I guess that is the default. Check the settings of File=Preferences=>Program Options=>Exhibits. I have mine set to Ask each time. This allows me to determine what I want for that Exhibit. This primarily is concerned with image files (JPG, TIF, GIF, PNG, BMP, etc. as TMG has routines to handle most of these kind of formats. Many other file formats are not handled by TMG and thus will automatically be External. Lee

From: Lee Hoffman [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, April 4, 2018 5:01 PM > Exhibits can be attached to people, events, Sources, or Repositories. There is no _need_ to attach Exhibits to events. By this I assume you are saying, "just store the exhibit with the person". Don't waste your time storing it in the tag (event?). I have original documents for most of my sources; birth/marriage/death certificates, baptismal records, military records, etc. Most contain way more information than is ever stored in a source record or even the tag that the source supports. Do you find it useful to store an image of a source document in the source record? That way you wouldn't have to chase it down in an individual's record to see everything it contains. Robert Thorpe

I attach most of my exhibits to Events because I want them to show up with the event. The only exception is for an individual's main picture. I found attaching exhibits to Sources to be a big mistake. Of course, I use Second Site to display my work so have the exhibits either embedded or as a click on item. I prefer the click on icon so the text flows better. With respect to oldest ancestor, I have one ancestor documented as being alive in 580 AD, but cannot find birth or death documentation for him. This man would not show up under some of the suggested filters. I remember him by date, but tend to forget his name. Perhaps a flag could be used. I do have him as EOL, but would have to filter by event date to find him. Regards, Toby Sent from my iPad > On Apr 4, 2018, at 5:23 PM, Robert Thorpe <[email protected]> wrote: > > From: Lee Hoffman [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Wednesday, April 4, 2018 5:01 PM > >> Exhibits can be attached to people, events, Sources, or Repositories. > There is no _need_ to attach Exhibits to events. > > By this I assume you are saying, "just store the exhibit with the person". > Don't waste your time storing it in the tag (event?). > > I have original documents for most of my sources; birth/marriage/death > certificates, baptismal records, military records, etc. Most contain way > more information than is ever stored in a source record or even the tag that > the source supports. Do you find it useful to store an image of a source > document in the source record? That way you wouldn't have to chase it down > in an individual's record to see everything it contains. > > Robert Thorpe > > > _______________________________________________ > The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ > Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html > _______________________________________________ > You are receiving this email because you have registered with RootsWeb Mailing Lists. Manage your email preferences at: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/accounts/subscriptions/ > > To unsubscribe send an email to mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe > > View the archives for this list at: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/ > > Your privacy is important to us. View our Privacy Statement at https://www.ancestry.com/cs/legal/privacystatement for more information. Use of RootsWeb is subject to our Terms and Conditions https://www.ancestry.com/cs/legal/termsandconditions > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

At 4/4/2018 18:23, Robert Thorpe wrote >By this I assume you are saying, "just store the exhibit with the person". >Don't waste your time storing it in the tag (event?). You said that you "had to load each exhibit to individual tags" and my response is that there is no "requirement" to attach Exhibits to events (Tags). I have a picture of a resort hotel owned by my 2-great- grandparents that I have attached to the Marriage Tag of my great-grandparents as that was where they were married. Images of people are almost never attached to Tags. But, then a wedding picture might be. A lot depends on the Exhibit itself. >I have original documents for most of my sources; birth/marriage/death >certificates, baptismal records, military records, etc. Most contain way >more information than is ever stored in a source record or even the tag that >the source supports. Do you find it useful to store an image of a source >document in the source record? That way you wouldn't have to chase it down >in an individual's record to see everything it contains. First, I assume that you mean that you have digital copies of those documents. <G> In my opinion (and from comments over the years here, I am in the minority), I do not think it worthwhile to attach images of those documents as Exhibits. As usual, there are exceptions. These would be when the document is very unusual or contains an oddity. For example, an ancestor of my wife was incorrectly said to be married to one woman. Fortunately, the source of that was found -- a DAR Patriot Index. And, the ancestor wife was actually show to be unknown, but the line below the ancestor had the woman said to be the wife of the ancestor. Thus, I have the ancestor married (non-Primary) to this wrong wife and the image of the index page with the wife's name highlighted showing her married to someone else. In another example, my 3GGF died willing his entire estate to his housekeeper and her children "for their service to me" and leaving nothing to his children "as I have already given them $25,000 each which is enough to keep them if they take care of it and too much if they don't". Another exception would be a document that is interesting enough that I might want to refer to it often. These usually tend to be attached to a Source. Most of my Exhibits are pictures of the individual or couple. I also have a number of images of places. Most single person images are person Exhibits. Group images tend to be attached to Tags. But most documents are not kept digitally. A few are seen as very hard to locate and I do keep a digital copy attached to the Source while I also keep the paper copy. I never keep digital copies of census records or most other public records. These are almost always now either microfilmed, digitized or both and thus can be found without a great deal of trouble. As noted, a lot of this is my opinion. Also, my opinion changes to some extent based on the image or Exhibit. Other don't always agree. Lee