As I understand what Lee is saying, the Short Place Format is applied Place-by-Place. If that's true, logically two facts: 1. Any difference that creates two Places which "look alike" but are different means that the Short Place Format will need to be entered for each of these Places. 2. If Place1 is used, then later Place2 is used, these are both "first appearances" of the respective Places, and therefore there's no way to shorten the "second appearance" because there is no "second appearance". I can think of one quite "clunky" possible way of doing what you want: Instead of putting the detail, excluded, in the Place, put it in a Memo segment, and make sure it's excluded from printing. That will make your Place the same as other Places (e.g. church of baptism and cemetery of burial will be same city, state). Not at all sure I like this idea, but I do think it would work. Rick Van Dusen On 9/7/2015 8:57 AM, John Cordes via wrote: > On Mon, Sep 07, 2015 at 11:45:24AM -0400, Lee Hoffman/KY wrote: : : : >> If you wish to have the Short Place to be something else, such as: >> [DETAIL], [CITY], [STATE] >> or maybe >> [CITY] [DETAIL] >> then you would go to the Master Place List, find the desired place and >> enter that template into the Short Place field. This then would be the >> new Short Place for that place. : : :

Rick, I had thought about putting my excluded [DETAIL] field into the Memo, but there a couple of problems (at least). As far as I know TMGU can't move a place part into a memo field, unless perhaps the all purpose Find / Replace in the Other section could somehow do that. The other issue is that I would only want to do that if the Memo was otherwise empty. It often would be, but certainly not always. Thanks for your thoughts. John On Mon, Sep 07, 2015 at 09:49:25AM -0700, Rick Van Dusen via wrote: > As I understand what Lee is saying, the Short Place Format is applied > Place-by-Place. If that's true, logically two facts: > > 1. Any difference that creates two Places which "look alike" but are > different means that the Short Place Format will need to be entered for > each of these Places. > > 2. If Place1 is used, then later Place2 is used, these are both "first > appearances" of the respective Places, and therefore there's no way to > shorten the "second appearance" because there is no "second appearance". > > I can think of one quite "clunky" possible way of doing what you want: > > Instead of putting the detail, excluded, in the Place, put it in a Memo > segment, and make sure it's excluded from printing. That will make your > Place the same as other Places (e.g. church of baptism and cemetery of > burial will be same city, state). > > Not at all sure I like this idea, but I do think it would work. > > Rick Van Dusen > > > > On 9/7/2015 8:57 AM, John Cordes via wrote: > > On Mon, Sep 07, 2015 at 11:45:24AM -0400, Lee Hoffman/KY wrote: > : > : > : > >> If you wish to have the Short Place to be something else, such as: > >> [DETAIL], [CITY], [STATE] > >> or maybe > >> [CITY] [DETAIL] > >> then you would go to the Master Place List, find the desired place and > >> enter that template into the Short Place field. This then would be the > >> new Short Place for that place. > : > : > : > The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ > Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TMG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I'd guess that you'd need to manually move any details anyway because you'd have to evaluate each one as to whether it fits the problem we're discussing. As for Memo empty or not, you'd probably need to make the Place Detail entry as something like M9 so that whatever else you ever have in a Memo will come before this Detail entry. Note that I'm assuming use of Split Memos. (Anyone unfamiliar with these should read TMG Help>Memo.) Of course, that means you might have to restructure many of your sentences to replace "[M]" with "[M1]" to allow for this possibility. I did say I think it's a clunky way to do what you wish.<g> Rick Van Dusen On 9/7/2015 12:09 PM, John Cordes via wrote: > Rick, > > I had thought about putting my excluded [DETAIL] field > into the Memo, but there a couple of problems (at least). > > As far as I know TMGU can't move a place part into a memo > field, unless perhaps the all purpose Find / Replace in > the Other section could somehow do that. > The other issue is that I would only want to do that > if the Memo was otherwise empty. It often would be, but > certainly not always. > > Thanks for your thoughts. > > John

On 9/7/2015 3:52 PM, Rick Van Dusen via wrote in part: > Of course, that means you might have to > restructure many of your sentences to replace "[M]" with "[M1]" to allow > for this possibility. There is no need to make that change - [M] and [M1] are equivalent. Terry Reigel

Rick, I have used split Memos, though rarely. I was just wondering if there might be some practical way of eliminating the appearance of the L6 [COUNTRY] place level field in certain circumstances. So far it appears there is none. The requirement that the entire set of place level field entries be a perfect match, in order for the Short Place Format to kick in, is understandable, but a killer for me. John On Mon, Sep 07, 2015 at 12:52:09PM -0700, Rick Van Dusen via wrote: > I'd guess that you'd need to manually move any details anyway because > you'd have to evaluate each one as to whether it fits the problem we're > discussing. > > As for Memo empty or not, you'd probably need to make the Place Detail > entry as something like M9 so that whatever else you ever have in a Memo > will come before this Detail entry. > > Note that I'm assuming use of Split Memos. (Anyone unfamiliar with these > should read TMG Help>Memo.) Of course, that means you might have to > restructure many of your sentences to replace "[M]" with "[M1]" to allow > for this possibility. > > I did say I think it's a clunky way to do what you wish.<g> > > Rick Van Dusen > > > > > On 9/7/2015 12:09 PM, John Cordes via wrote: > > Rick, > > > > I had thought about putting my excluded [DETAIL] field > > into the Memo, but there a couple of problems (at least). > > > > As far as I know TMGU can't move a place part into a memo > > field, unless perhaps the all purpose Find / Replace in > > the Other section could somehow do that. > > The other issue is that I would only want to do that > > if the Memo was otherwise empty. It often would be, but > > certainly not always. > > > > Thanks for your thoughts. > > > > John > The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ > Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TMG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message