It's a bit off topic but would some readers comment on the DNA testing service used and how satisfied you were with the results? Also comment on how those results allowed extending your genealogy research would be interesting. Thanks! Jack

Hello Jack, I am not sure what "wonderful things" I was expecting, but the Ancestry DNA results for myself fell considerably short of that. The first thing I received for possible cousins, was all my husband's family names. One further communication and then nothing more. Secondly, the website for subscribing to Ancestry is not exactly "user friendly" and did not confirm or deny my subscription. Because of that, I tried again and got the same results. But my credit card bill showed that I had paid it twice. Finally had to have a long talk with a customer service rep to straighten out the bill and cancel all subscriptions. Third: With the 30 day free trial, I searched for Wisconsin, Nebraska and New York records, only to find that they are far from complete, at least for these states. Fourth: Ancestry DNA testing is the lowest level of sophistication...... it is very, very general ...... and according to news reports has lead law enforcement to accuse the wrong person of a serious crime. I guess you could say that I was not happy with my results. Just hope others have had better experiences. [email protected] Nebraska -----Original Message----- From: Jack Lykins via TMG <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2018 8:41 PM To: [email protected] Cc: Jack Lykins <[email protected]> Subject: [TMG] DNA Testing Services It's a bit off topic but would some readers comment on the DNA testing service used and how satisfied you were with the results? Also comment on how those results allowed extending your genealogy research would be interesting. Thanks! Jack The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html

Ancestry's DNA can only show you probable cousins. People who take the test without uploading a tree are not likely to be contacted by these probable cousins, as they have no idea of how you may be related. And you are correct, Ancestry only tests autosomal DNA and doesn't let you look at the actual results. So if you want to get into serious DNA research, you need to use the other services, maybe several of them. Also get family members to test as well. I use Ancestry to make contact with cousins on various lines in hopes that some of them will have photos or other information which may enhance my own research. I ignore those matches which have no tree or only a very few people. Obviously a waste of my time, because those people are unlikely to have anything to share. I'm more than willing to share my research, but with others who are serious about family history. Ancestry lets you contact these matches via their message service, which hides the email from you. Once you have connected via message, you can exchange direct email. On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 6:58 PM, Peggy Haskell via TMG <[email protected]> wrote: > Hello Jack, > I am not sure what "wonderful things" I was expecting, but the Ancestry > DNA results for myself fell considerably short of that. > The first thing I received for possible cousins, was all my husband's > family names. One further communication and then nothing more. > Secondly, the website for subscribing to Ancestry is not exactly "user > friendly" and did not confirm or deny my subscription. Because of that, I > tried again and got the same results. But my credit card bill showed > that I had paid it twice. Finally had to have a long talk with a > customer service rep to straighten out the bill and cancel all > subscriptions. > Third: With the 30 day free trial, I searched for Wisconsin, Nebraska and > New York records, only to find that they are far from complete, at least > for these states. > Fourth: Ancestry DNA testing is the lowest level of sophistication...... > it is very, very general ...... and according to news reports has lead law > enforcement to accuse the wrong person of a serious crime. > I guess you could say that I was not happy with my results. Just hope > others have had better experiences. > [email protected] > Nebraska > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jack Lykins via TMG <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, March 19, 2018 8:41 PM > To: [email protected] > Cc: Jack Lykins <[email protected]> > Subject: [TMG] DNA Testing Services > > It's a bit off topic but would some readers comment on the DNA testing > service used and how satisfied you were with the results? Also comment on > how those results allowed extending your genealogy research would be > interesting. Thanks! Jack > > > > The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb. > ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ > Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb. > ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html > The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb. > ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ > Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb. > ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html > The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb. > ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ > Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb. > ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html > The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb. > ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ > Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb. > ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html >

At 3/19/2018 21:41, Jack Lykins via TMG wrote >It's a bit off topic but would some readers comment on the DNA testing >service used and how satisfied you were with the results? Also comment on >how those results allowed extending your genealogy research would be >interesting. I have tested with FamilyTreeDNA, 23&Me, and Ancestry. I have been satisfied with all three. This is with multiple tests from a number of people for each company with some testers doing all three. For those that tested with all three, the result were comparable for the same tests. At the current time (in the U.S.), Ancestry has the largest database against which tests are compared. This means there is a greater chance of finding matches. Ancestry also has its database of family trees which may help in the finding the Most Recent Common Ancestor of a match if both testers have tied their tests to person in uploaded trees. This can help find a "missing" ancestor and can even help disprove a tree. Uploaded trees are not required as a user can contact a potential match through Ancestry (anonymously) to see if there is a chance for the match to be confirmed and how it might be. Also, once the test results are in, there is potential to compare the test in other ways. The raw data can be downloaded for use on your own computer (though few have the expertise for that). The raw data can also be uploaded for third-party comparisons and processing. For example, the Ancestry tests the autosomalDNA (best for finding relationships other than for just direct paternal or maternal lines, i.e., cousins). It does not tell exactly where the genetic match is (what chromosome and much more than general confidence level. But, the user can upload the raw data to GEDMatch (Google it) for processing there showing exact match locations and how much of a match it is in any chromosome. I also understand that raw data from one company may be uploaded to one or more other companies. But, I have not tried it. If you can get a copy of Bettinger and Wayne's "Genetic Genealogy in Practice" (published by the National Genealogical Society), it will explain a lot more about DNA and what can be done with it. It probably has more than you want to know, but they have written a very technical subject is a fairly easily understood book. So, is there a best? No. They are all about equal. Currently, I'd go with Ancestry to start considering its large database. But, the others are starting to catch up in that area. Lee

Is there a company that can test by blood? My father passed ten years ago and I have frozen blood samples from the funeral home. If so, do they test or can they test for all possible? Donna

Jack, There are MANY groups where this question would be better put. Facebook/ yahoo DNA-Newbies / Rootsweb's DNA group........ But I'll "bite" The answer to that depends entirely on what sort of DNA you are looking at testing for what you are trying to prove. I'd say that results are rather more dependent on who else has tested than the company concerned (unless you mean ethnicity results which are completely variable and IMO not really of that much use for advancing your genealogy) I'd suggest you spend some time reading the options at eg https://isogg.org/wiki/Wiki_Welcome_Page Direct male line testing (yDNA) is  only done at FamilyTreeDNA (where several of my Surname DNA projects have had great successes in matching up lines and contributing to science by creating new branches on the tree of mankind) Autosomal testing (all your ancestral lines) can be done at 4 main companies. A comparison of who does what is on the above Wiki. My favourite is FTDNA as the only all-rounder, no fuss, no subscriptions, contact data for everyone. MyHeritage is my second choice as a rapidly growing presence in the autosomal DNA testing market, improving their tools also quite rapidly - and accepts free transfers in from the other companies (with the possibly exception of the newer 23andme tests?) Ancestry cannot be ignored as they have the volume - but no tools to speak of Both of the last two work best with at least a minimum subscription but do work without. 23andme is too expensive in my part of the world. Good tools but too hard with their complicated sharing system - and they have a cap on match lists. Last year I cracked a 27 yr old brickwall using autosomal DNA, together with a lot of research, able to be targetted thanks to the matches received Lorna Henderson http://LornaHen.com On 20/03/18 14:41, Jack Lykins via TMG wrote: > It's a bit off topic but would some readers comment on the DNA testing > service used and how satisfied you were with the results? Also comment on > how those results allowed extending your genealogy research would be > interesting. Thanks! Jack > > > > The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ > Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html > The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ > Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html

One thing no one has mentioned, FTDNA keeps your test sample so if you decide to add another test, say a y-DNA or mt-DNA test they can start the test right away and you don’t pay shipping. If you really have a brick wall you may have to export your results to one of the 3rd party analyst tool sites like ysearch or gedmatch or mitosearch. Lastly you can transfer from one of those sites into WikiTree where with only a little work you might find that someone else has already entered their results and built a tree from it that you link to - potentially all DNA proven. iSent from my iPhone; iTypos, iApologize. > On Mar 19, 2018, at 10:58 PM, LornaMoa <[email protected]> wrote: > > Jack, > There are MANY groups where this question would be better put. > Facebook/ yahoo DNA-Newbies / Rootsweb's DNA group........ > > But I'll "bite" > The answer to that depends entirely on what sort of DNA you are looking at testing for what you are trying to prove. > I'd say that results are rather more dependent on who else has tested than the company concerned (unless you mean ethnicity results which are completely variable and IMO not really of that much use for advancing your genealogy) > > I'd suggest you spend some time reading the options at eg > https://isogg.org/wiki/Wiki_Welcome_Page > > Direct male line testing (yDNA) is only done at FamilyTreeDNA (where several of my Surname DNA projects have had great successes in matching up lines and contributing to science by creating new branches on the tree of mankind) > Autosomal testing (all your ancestral lines) can be done at 4 main companies. > A comparison of who does what is on the above Wiki. > > My favourite is FTDNA as the only all-rounder, no fuss, no subscriptions, contact data for everyone. > MyHeritage is my second choice as a rapidly growing presence in the autosomal DNA testing market, improving their tools also quite rapidly - and accepts free transfers in from the other companies (with the possibly exception of the newer 23andme tests?) > Ancestry cannot be ignored as they have the volume - but no tools to speak of > Both of the last two work best with at least a minimum subscription but do work without. > 23andme is too expensive in my part of the world. > Good tools but too hard with their complicated sharing system - and they have a cap on match lists. > > Last year I cracked a 27 yr old brickwall using autosomal DNA, together with a lot of research, able to be targetted thanks to the matches received > > Lorna Henderson > http://LornaHen.com > >> On 20/03/18 14:41, Jack Lykins via TMG wrote: >> It's a bit off topic but would some readers comment on the DNA testing >> service used and how satisfied you were with the results? Also comment on >> how those results allowed extending your genealogy research would be >> interesting. Thanks! Jack >> >> >> The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ >> Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html >> The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ >> Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html > The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ > Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html > The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ > Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html

I had success with Ancestry DNA and Gedmatch. Uploading to Gedmatch allowed a new cousin and I to confirm that her great great grandmother and my great great grandmother were (probably) sisters. That family has been hard to complete because of common surname and not finding them in 1850 census. I was also able to use Ancestry DNA to identify my daughter’s paternal grandfather. It was a family mystery, as her grandmother would never reveal it. Sent from Cindy's iPad On Mar 19, 2018, at 10:58 PM, James Holcombe <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: One thing no one has mentioned, FTDNA keeps your test sample so if you decide to add another test, say a y-DNA or mt-DNA test they can start the test right away and you don’t pay shipping. If you really have a brick wall you may have to export your results to one of the 3rd party analyst tool sites like ysearch or gedmatch or mitosearch. Lastly you can transfer from one of those sites into WikiTree where with only a little work you might find that someone else has already entered their results and built a tree from it that you link to - potentially all DNA proven. iSent from my iPhone; iTypos, iApologize. On Mar 19, 2018, at 10:58 PM, LornaMoa <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Jack, There are MANY groups where this question would be better put. Facebook/ yahoo DNA-Newbies / Rootsweb's DNA group........ But I'll "bite" The answer to that depends entirely on what sort of DNA you are looking at testing for what you are trying to prove. I'd say that results are rather more dependent on who else has tested than the company concerned (unless you mean ethnicity results which are completely variable and IMO not really of that much use for advancing your genealogy) I'd suggest you spend some time reading the options at eg https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fisogg.org%2Fwiki%2FWiki_Welcome_Page&data=02%7C01%7C%7C286c9dc8cd8a429fb7e108d58e16da41%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636571151154971360&sdata=rd0XzcSIDrpPnKIf%2FLsq81ef8VFmYfHkT1QrB5ynphc%3D&reserved=0 Direct male line testing (yDNA) is only done at FamilyTreeDNA (where several of my Surname DNA projects have had great successes in matching up lines and contributing to science by creating new branches on the tree of mankind) Autosomal testing (all your ancestral lines) can be done at 4 main companies. A comparison of who does what is on the above Wiki. My favourite is FTDNA as the only all-rounder, no fuss, no subscriptions, contact data for everyone. MyHeritage is my second choice as a rapidly growing presence in the autosomal DNA testing market, improving their tools also quite rapidly - and accepts free transfers in from the other companies (with the possibly exception of the newer 23andme tests?) Ancestry cannot be ignored as they have the volume - but no tools to speak of Both of the last two work best with at least a minimum subscription but do work without. 23andme is too expensive in my part of the world. Good tools but too hard with their complicated sharing system - and they have a cap on match lists. Last year I cracked a 27 yr old brickwall using autosomal DNA, together with a lot of research, able to be targetted thanks to the matches received Lorna Henderson https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2FLornaHen.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7C286c9dc8cd8a429fb7e108d58e16da41%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636571151154971360&sdata=9N1mFdThhcRYN4EGsNjrSxNV1g3TkNbJvnYQciQ2H%2BE%3D&reserved=0 On 20/03/18 14:41, Jack Lykins via TMG wrote: It's a bit off topic but would some readers comment on the DNA testing service used and how satisfied you were with the results? Also comment on how those results allowed extending your genealogy research would be interesting. Thanks! Jack The TMG archive is found here: https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Farchiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com%2Fth%2Findex%2FTMG%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C286c9dc8cd8a429fb7e108d58e16da41%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636571151154971360&sdata=AETI3nnbGvYUTatysgedyKaA7G6lEIH396DClBGWuS4%3D&reserved=0 Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.rootsweb.ancestry.com%2Findex%2Fother%2FSoftware%2FTMG.html&data=02%7C01%7C%7C286c9dc8cd8a429fb7e108d58e16da41%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636571151154971360&sdata=4xw9hmWKYPnaQ20wQ%2Fes0cZQnwE2tyUCmhj8CciJwNQ%3D&reserved=0 The TMG archive is found here: https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Farchiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com%2Fth%2Findex%2FTMG%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C286c9dc8cd8a429fb7e108d58e16da41%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636571151154971360&sdata=AETI3nnbGvYUTatysgedyKaA7G6lEIH396DClBGWuS4%3D&reserved=0 Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.rootsweb.ancestry.com%2Findex%2Fother%2FSoftware%2FTMG.html&data=02%7C01%7C%7C286c9dc8cd8a429fb7e108d58e16da41%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636571151154971360&sdata=4xw9hmWKYPnaQ20wQ%2Fes0cZQnwE2tyUCmhj8CciJwNQ%3D&reserved=0 The TMG archive is found here: https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Farchiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com%2Fth%2Findex%2FTMG%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C286c9dc8cd8a429fb7e108d58e16da41%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636571151154971360&sdata=AETI3nnbGvYUTatysgedyKaA7G6lEIH396DClBGWuS4%3D&reserved=0 Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.rootsweb.ancestry.com%2Findex%2Fother%2FSoftware%2FTMG.html&data=02%7C01%7C%7C286c9dc8cd8a429fb7e108d58e16da41%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636571151154971360&sdata=4xw9hmWKYPnaQ20wQ%2Fes0cZQnwE2tyUCmhj8CciJwNQ%3D&reserved=0 The TMG archive is found here: https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Farchiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com%2Fth%2Findex%2FTMG%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C286c9dc8cd8a429fb7e108d58e16da41%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636571151154971360&sdata=AETI3nnbGvYUTatysgedyKaA7G6lEIH396DClBGWuS4%3D&reserved=0 Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.rootsweb.ancestry.com%2Findex%2Fother%2FSoftware%2FTMG.html&data=02%7C01%7C%7C286c9dc8cd8a429fb7e108d58e16da41%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636571151154981365&sdata=Y6nhq9Hw%2F1RUD1HzSNZq5de%2Fxyolp0EHoW8wfmv1KP8%3D&reserved=0 The TMG archive is found here: https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Farchiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com%2Fth%2Findex%2FTMG%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C286c9dc8cd8a429fb7e108d58e16da41%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636571151154981365&sdata=9H50TsqIwVDrzG5AsSdpi6Rmntk1YDz8IxPOFuxUOdw%3D&reserved=0 Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.rootsweb.ancestry.com%2Findex%2Fother%2FSoftware%2FTMG.html&data=02%7C01%7C%7C286c9dc8cd8a429fb7e108d58e16da41%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636571151154981365&sdata=Y6nhq9Hw%2F1RUD1HzSNZq5de%2Fxyolp0EHoW8wfmv1KP8%3D&reserved=0 The TMG archive is found here: https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Farchiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com%2Fth%2Findex%2FTMG%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C286c9dc8cd8a429fb7e108d58e16da41%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636571151154981365&sdata=9H50TsqIwVDrzG5AsSdpi6Rmntk1YDz8IxPOFuxUOdw%3D&reserved=0 Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.rootsweb.ancestry.com%2Findex%2Fother%2FSoftware%2FTMG.html&data=02%7C01%7C%7C286c9dc8cd8a429fb7e108d58e16da41%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636571151154981365&sdata=Y6nhq9Hw%2F1RUD1HzSNZq5de%2Fxyolp0EHoW8wfmv1KP8%3D&reserved=0

Uploading your data to GEDMatch allows you to compare your DNA to others from all the companies who have done likewise. FTDNA also allows you to upload results from other companies and compare to those in their database. Mike More [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: Cindy Smith [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 8:17 AM To: The Master Genealogist Rootsweb Email List <[email protected]> Subject: [TMG] DNA Testing Services I had success with Ancestry DNA and Gedmatch. Uploading to Gedmatch allowed a new cousin and I to confirm that her great great grandmother and my great great grandmother were (probably) sisters. That family has been hard to complete because of common surname and not finding them in 1850 census. I was also able to use Ancestry DNA to identify my daughter’s paternal grandfather. It was a family mystery, as her grandmother would never reveal it. Sent from Cindy's iPad On Mar 19, 2018, at 10:58 PM, James Holcombe <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: One thing no one has mentioned, FTDNA keeps your test sample so if you decide to add another test, say a y-DNA or mt-DNA test they can start the test right away and you don’t pay shipping. If you really have a brick wall you may have to export your results to one of the 3rd party analyst tool sites like ysearch or gedmatch or mitosearch. Lastly you can transfer from one of those sites into WikiTree where with only a little work you might find that someone else has already entered their results and built a tree from it that you link to - potentially all DNA proven. iSent from my iPhone; iTypos, iApologize. On Mar 19, 2018, at 10:58 PM, LornaMoa <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Jack, There are MANY groups where this question would be better put. Facebook/ yahoo DNA-Newbies / Rootsweb's DNA group........ But I'll "bite" The answer to that depends entirely on what sort of DNA you are looking at testing for what you are trying to prove. I'd say that results are rather more dependent on who else has tested than the company concerned (unless you mean ethnicity results which are completely variable and IMO not really of that much use for advancing your genealogy) I'd suggest you spend some time reading the options at eg https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fisogg.org%2Fwiki%2FWiki_Welcome_Page&data=02%7C01%7C%7C286c9dc8cd8a429fb7e108d58e16da41%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636571151154971360&sdata=rd0XzcSIDrpPnKIf%2FLsq81ef8VFmYfHkT1QrB5ynphc%3D&reserved=0 Direct male line testing (yDNA) is only done at FamilyTreeDNA (where several of my Surname DNA projects have had great successes in matching up lines and contributing to science by creating new branches on the tree of mankind) Autosomal testing (all your ancestral lines) can be done at 4 main companies. A comparison of who does what is on the above Wiki. My favourite is FTDNA as the only all-rounder, no fuss, no subscriptions, contact data for everyone. MyHeritage is my second choice as a rapidly growing presence in the autosomal DNA testing market, improving their tools also quite rapidly - and accepts free transfers in from the other companies (with the possibly exception of the newer 23andme tests?) Ancestry cannot be ignored as they have the volume - but no tools to speak of Both of the last two work best with at least a minimum subscription but do work without. 23andme is too expensive in my part of the world. Good tools but too hard with their complicated sharing system - and they have a cap on match lists. Last year I cracked a 27 yr old brickwall using autosomal DNA, together with a lot of research, able to be targetted thanks to the matches received Lorna Henderson https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2FLornaHen.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7C286c9dc8cd8a429fb7e108d58e16da41%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636571151154971360&sdata=9N1mFdThhcRYN4EGsNjrSxNV1g3TkNbJvnYQciQ2H%2BE%3D&reserved=0 On 20/03/18 14:41, Jack Lykins via TMG wrote: It's a bit off topic but would some readers comment on the DNA testing service used and how satisfied you were with the results? Also comment on how those results allowed extending your genealogy research would be interesting. Thanks! Jack The TMG archive is found here: https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Farchiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com%2Fth%2Findex%2FTMG%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C286c9dc8cd8a429fb7e108d58e16da41%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636571151154971360&sdata=AETI3nnbGvYUTatysgedyKaA7G6lEIH396DClBGWuS4%3D&reserved=0 Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.rootsweb.ancestry.com%2Findex%2Fother%2FSoftware%2FTMG.html&data=02%7C01%7C%7C286c9dc8cd8a429fb7e108d58e16da41%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636571151154971360&sdata=4xw9hmWKYPnaQ20wQ%2Fes0cZQnwE2tyUCmhj8CciJwNQ%3D&reserved=0 The TMG archive is found here: https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Farchiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com%2Fth%2Findex%2FTMG%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C286c9dc8cd8a429fb7e108d58e16da41%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636571151154971360&sdata=AETI3nnbGvYUTatysgedyKaA7G6lEIH396DClBGWuS4%3D&reserved=0 Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.rootsweb.ancestry.com%2Findex%2Fother%2FSoftware%2FTMG.html&data=02%7C01%7C%7C286c9dc8cd8a429fb7e108d58e16da41%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636571151154971360&sdata=4xw9hmWKYPnaQ20wQ%2Fes0cZQnwE2tyUCmhj8CciJwNQ%3D&reserved=0 The TMG archive is found here: https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Farchiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com%2Fth%2Findex%2FTMG%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C286c9dc8cd8a429fb7e108d58e16da41%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636571151154971360&sdata=AETI3nnbGvYUTatysgedyKaA7G6lEIH396DClBGWuS4%3D&reserved=0 Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.rootsweb.ancestry.com%2Findex%2Fother%2FSoftware%2FTMG.html&data=02%7C01%7C%7C286c9dc8cd8a429fb7e108d58e16da41%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636571151154971360&sdata=4xw9hmWKYPnaQ20wQ%2Fes0cZQnwE2tyUCmhj8CciJwNQ%3D&reserved=0 The TMG archive is found here: https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Farchiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com%2Fth%2Findex%2FTMG%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C286c9dc8cd8a429fb7e108d58e16da41%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636571151154971360&sdata=AETI3nnbGvYUTatysgedyKaA7G6lEIH396DClBGWuS4%3D&reserved=0 Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.rootsweb.ancestry.com%2Findex%2Fother%2FSoftware%2FTMG.html&data=02%7C01%7C%7C286c9dc8cd8a429fb7e108d58e16da41%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636571151154981365&sdata=Y6nhq9Hw%2F1RUD1HzSNZq5de%2Fxyolp0EHoW8wfmv1KP8%3D&reserved=0 The TMG archive is found here: https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Farchiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com%2Fth%2Findex%2FTMG%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C286c9dc8cd8a429fb7e108d58e16da41%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636571151154981365&sdata=9H50TsqIwVDrzG5AsSdpi6Rmntk1YDz8IxPOFuxUOdw%3D&reserved=0 Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.rootsweb.ancestry.com%2Findex%2Fother%2FSoftware%2FTMG.html&data=02%7C01%7C%7C286c9dc8cd8a429fb7e108d58e16da41%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636571151154981365&sdata=Y6nhq9Hw%2F1RUD1HzSNZq5de%2Fxyolp0EHoW8wfmv1KP8%3D&reserved=0 The TMG archive is found here: https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Farchiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com%2Fth%2Findex%2FTMG%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C286c9dc8cd8a429fb7e108d58e16da41%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636571151154981365&sdata=9H50TsqIwVDrzG5AsSdpi6Rmntk1YDz8IxPOFuxUOdw%3D&reserved=0 Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.rootsweb.ancestry.com%2Findex%2Fother%2FSoftware%2FTMG.html&data=02%7C01%7C%7C286c9dc8cd8a429fb7e108d58e16da41%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636571151154981365&sdata=Y6nhq9Hw%2F1RUD1HzSNZq5de%2Fxyolp0EHoW8wfmv1KP8%3D&reserved=0 The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html

Check ISOGG.org for information on several companies and other background information. Free to join. <https://isogg.org/> I have bee with FTDNA for 10 years. Excellent deep ancestry through Y-DNA testing. -- from well before surname taking to the present. At 09:41 PM 3/19/2018 -0400, you wrote: >It's a bit off topic but would some readers comment on the DNA testing >service used and how satisfied you were with the results? Also comment on >how those results allowed extending your genealogy research would be >interesting. Thanks! Jack

I have tested family members at Ancestry, FTDNA, and 23andMe, but mainly test with FTDNA and then upload the results to the free comparison site Gedmatch.com. As has been mentioned, Ancestry has the largest pool--but few tools and a huge number of those tested did it just for the ethnicity estimate and will never put up a tree or answer messages. It also has few testers from outside North America. FTDNA, 23andMe, and now MyHeritage, have many tests from around the world, although as Lorna points out, 23andMe's current pricing is a problem, as is their cap on number of matches. As to utility, my family would never have been able to identify my mother's grandfathers without DNA testing. It still took work and collaboration, but it became possible to nail down which Norwegian candidate was the correct Kittel Olson Moen, and we were able to determine that "Allen Morey" was actually Albert F. Mory and the son of German immigrants (we have since traced his father's family back to the Thirty Years War and hope to do the same with his mother's this summer). Also, one of my brother's DNA matches learned via testing that her father was half Norwegian and not the son of the man she called grandfather. While the match to my brother was small, hard work including much correspondence with matches finally identified the Norwegian and showed the tester and her sister to be sixth cousins (and eighth, and tenth) to my brother and me. DNA testing can do wonders for proving and extending your tree, but you have to learn how to work with it and put in some effort (unless you're just really lucky and answers fall into your lap, which also happens). Genealogy conferences now have many talks on DNA, as do many of the genealogy societies. My local society has a DNA Interest Group that I help with, for instance. Everyone is welcome and it has been very well received. Karla Huebner calypsospots AT gmail.com On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 9:41 PM, Jack Lykins via TMG <[email protected]> wrote: > It's a bit off topic but would some readers comment on the DNA testing > service used and how satisfied you were with the results? Also comment on > how those results allowed extending your genealogy research would be > interesting. Thanks! Jack >

Okay, as long as we are off topic. Is there any value to DNA testing (more ethnic sense) when a person's ancestry is well documented (by several people) back into the early 1600s and all ancestors (as well as their siblings and those descendants) are found in the same country? Phil Holm On 3/19/2018 8:41 PM, Jack Lykins via TMG wrote: > It's a bit off topic but would some readers comment on the DNA testing > service used and how satisfied you were with the results? Also comment on > how those results allowed extending your genealogy research would be > interesting. Thanks! Jack > > > > The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ > Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html > The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ > Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html

Phil, In terms of ethnicity, remember there are three types of genealogical DNA test. While Ancestry pushes its ethnicity estimates (and all the companies give ethnicity estimates for their autosomal tests), what could be interesting for an ancestry documented to the early 1600s in the same country would be YDNA and MtDNA testing. Those could indicate whether the patrilineal and matrilineal ancestors came from somewhere else 1000 or more years ago. Yes, you might have a result that was very common for the known country, or you might have one indicating deep ancestry in Central Asia or whatnot. Karla Huebner calypsospots AT gmail.com On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 10:02 AM, Phil Holm <[email protected]> wrote: > Okay, as long as we are off topic. > > Is there any value to DNA testing (more ethnic sense) when a person's > ancestry is well documented (by several people) back into the early 1600s > and all ancestors (as well as their siblings and those descendants) are > found in the same country? > > Phil Holm > >

There's always the possibility that no matter how carefully a genealogist works with sources it may be that some of the sources, even primary ones, that have been used could be wrong. For whatever reason, some records could tell less than the full story. If all the sources reflect reality, DNA studies can be valuable because they confirm that the records are correct. Joan Lince -----Original Message----- From: Phil Holm [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 10:03 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [TMG] Re: DNA Testing Services Okay, as long as we are off topic. Is there any value to DNA testing (more ethnic sense) when a person's ancestry is well documented (by several people) back into the early 1600s and all ancestors (as well as their siblings and those descendants) are found in the same country? Phil Holm On 3/19/2018 8:41 PM, Jack Lykins via TMG wrote: > It's a bit off topic but would some readers comment on the DNA testing > service used and how satisfied you were with the results? Also > comment on how those results allowed extending your genealogy research > would be interesting. Thanks! Jack > > > > The TMG archive is found here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ > Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html > The TMG archive is found here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ > Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html

DNA studies can be valuable because they can confirm or refute that the records are accurate. -----Original Message----- From: Joan Lince [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 8:30 AM To: 'The Master Genealogist Rootsweb Email List' Subject: [TMG] Re: DNA Testing Services There's always the possibility that no matter how carefully a genealogist works with sources it may be that some of the sources, even primary ones, that have been used could be wrong. For whatever reason, some records could tell less than the full story. If all the sources reflect reality, DNA studies can be valuable because they confirm that the records are correct. Joan Lince -----Original Message----- From: Phil Holm [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 10:03 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [TMG] Re: DNA Testing Services Okay, as long as we are off topic. Is there any value to DNA testing (more ethnic sense) when a person's ancestry is well documented (by several people) back into the early 1600s and all ancestors (as well as their siblings and those descendants) are found in the same country? Phil Holm On 3/19/2018 8:41 PM, Jack Lykins via TMG wrote: > It's a bit off topic but would some readers comment on the DNA testing > service used and how satisfied you were with the results? Also > comment on how those results allowed extending your genealogy research > would be interesting. Thanks! Jack > > > > The TMG archive is found here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ > Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html > The TMG archive is found here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ > Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html

What would we know about the descendants of Thomas Jefferson if it wasn’t for DNA? We have a well documented line back to colonial Virginia but the tests tell us there is an Indian about 6-8 generations back. Hopefully testing more cousins will find them. iSent from my iPhone; iTypos, iApologize. > On Mar 20, 2018, at 12:18 PM, Patrick M. Lofft <[email protected]> wrote: > > DNA studies can be valuable because they can confirm or refute that the > records are accurate. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joan Lince [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 8:30 AM > To: 'The Master Genealogist Rootsweb Email List' > Subject: [TMG] Re: DNA Testing Services > > There's always the possibility that no matter how carefully a genealogist > works with sources it may be that some of the sources, even primary ones, > that have been used could be wrong. For whatever reason, some records could > tell less than the full story. If all the sources reflect reality, DNA > studies can be valuable because they confirm that the records are correct. > > Joan Lince > > -----Original Message----- > From: Phil Holm [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 10:03 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [TMG] Re: DNA Testing Services > > Okay, as long as we are off topic. > > Is there any value to DNA testing (more ethnic sense) when a person's > ancestry is well documented (by several people) back into the early 1600s > and all ancestors (as well as their siblings and those > descendants) are found in the same country? > > Phil Holm > > >> On 3/19/2018 8:41 PM, Jack Lykins via TMG wrote: >> It's a bit off topic but would some readers comment on the DNA testing >> service used and how satisfied you were with the results? Also >> comment on how those results allowed extending your genealogy research >> would be interesting. Thanks! Jack >> >> >> >> The TMG archive is found here: >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ >> Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: >> http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html >> The TMG archive is found here: >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ >> Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: >> http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html > The TMG archive is found here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ > Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html > The TMG archive is found here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ > Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html > The TMG archive is found here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ > Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html > The TMG archive is found here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ > Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html > The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ > Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html > The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ > Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html

My Heritage is another place that has its own tests or you can upload raw data from Family tree dna, 23 and Me, or Ancestry. At My Heritage I found two distant matches that appear to help with two brick walls. Neither person responded to my contact so I am trying to extend the tree of one match to see if I can find my ancestor in that line. The other will be harder as it is possible that his line intersects other lines that I am also descended from. All I have is his surname. The My Heritage difference is that many of the members there are International, not just from the USA. It has been nice to see that known cousins are cousins(even distant ones), indicating that at least some of my research is correct. I belong to several dna groups at Facebook and I read stories about people who find a sibling that was not known, or other indications of long past non-parental events (NPE). I have no idea what I do if I found such an event. Hopefully, after the initial surprise I will embrace the new knowledge. On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 6:41 PM, Jack Lykins via TMG <[email protected]> wrote: > It's a bit off topic but would some readers comment on the DNA testing > service used and how satisfied you were with the results? Also comment on > how those results allowed extending your genealogy research would be > interesting. Thanks! Jack > > > > The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb. > ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ > Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb. > ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html > The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb. > ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ > Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb. > ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html >