Michael J. Hannah replied when: > Jim Polson wrote: >> I think what I'm looking for is a way to find embedded citations. > > You have hit on the issue, Jim. List of Citations does not find > embedded citations. It is one of the many reasons I have avoided ever > using them. Jim, To make the issue of embedded citations even "murkier", as I mention in the Source Guide chapter of my book in the topic "Embedded Citations": https://www.mjh-nm.net/SRCGUIDE.HTML#EmbeddedCitations "... an embedded citation variable can cite a source only within a tag memo or sentence field. An embedded citation in a tag memo will be counted in the “Cited” column for that source in the Master Place List. An embedded citation in a tag sentence will *not* be counted in the “Cited” column. A List of Citations report filtered for a particular source number will not include any embedded citations to that source." So while citations embedded in memos will be "noticed" in the "Cited" count, you could still have citations embedded in sentence templates which are not included in that "Cited" count. As I noted earlier, citations embedded in a tag memo can be located using a List of Events report with a filter for text "contained" in the memo. Citations embedded in local sentence templates can likewise be located using a List of Events report filtered for: Principal1... // Sentence (local) // Contains // CIT: I currently can think of no way to search for embedded citations in global sentence templates, though I can't think of a reason to have embedded citations in any sentence template in the first place. Michael

Jim Polson wrote: > I don't think more output columns is going to give me new hits... > I think what I'm looking for is a way to find embedded citations. You have hit on the issue, Jim. List of Citations does not find embedded citations. It is one of the many reasons I have avoided ever using them. There is one way (that I can think of) to find embedded citations in the memos of Event tags (they are not supported in the memos of Name tags or Relationship tags). Do a List of Events report with at least the filter condition of: Memo // Contains // CIT:]123 where 123 is the source number. Don't enter the opening '[' as that has a special meaning in TMG Filter conditions. Or just use the value "CIT:" to find all embedded citations regardless of the source cited. Michael

Jim, finding embedded citation is not as easy as finding regular ones. However in my experience, embedded citations do not show up on the MSL. So I am puzzled at how you can get 81 in the MSL and when you run a report for that specific citation number, get zilch. The output columns earlier are vital for being able to quickly get to the relevant source.     To find embedded citations, you'll need to go to TMGU. Go down to Other/Find and Replace. Input "[CIT:]citation number" (without the quotes), click log only and find only. This is how I've found them. You may pick up a few wherein your desired number is part of another, longer number, but c'est la vie. Regards, Toby

At 9/8/2019 14:02, Jim Polson wrote >I thought I could simply run a report like the following to get what >I wanted: > >List of Events >Any Citation Src Number = 64 > >This report turned up 4 citations. >The MSL says the source is used 88 times. > >I've found the source lurking in other places, such as the person's >Name, but I'm not finding them all. > >How do I find all the places a source is used? Do as Susan suggests. The easiest way is to create a new List of Citations Report Definition as follows: 1. Select a List of Citation report from the Reports menu to display the Report Definition Screen. 2. At the top, click on the [Add] button and enter something like "LOC - Source No" in the File Name field of the Save As screen. This is the title of the new Report Definiton and should remind you as to what its purpose is. 3. Click [Save] and click [No] to the "Apply the Current settings" question. 4. Select Filtered group and click on the down arrow at the right. 5. There should be an option named "citations for a specific source" -- highlight and click on it. If there is not an option, click [Add] and enter the above quoted text (without the quotes). Make sure that the filter is like: Source Number = Equals [?] END and click [OK.] 6. Make any other option selection as you desire. This should do all that is needed if you want the Indented style report. If you want the Columnar stype report continue by: 7. Click on the [Properties] button and choose the Landscape Orientation and click [OK]. 8. Click on the [Options...] button to display the Report Options screen. 9. In the Genral tab, select the Columnar option. 10. In the Fonts and Colors tab, click on the [...] button of the Text options and choose the Courier New font and click [OK]. 11. Copy that selection to the other areas by clicking on the two page icon button at the right of the Text options. 12. You may also want to change the font size of the Titles area by clicking on the [...] at its right and selecting 11 and clicking [OK]. 13. Click on the Output Columns tab and make any desired changes there. You will like want to change the Sort Order. The default is Source Number, but since there is only one source, that sort isn't much. I chose Tag Type, Sunject 1, and Date in that order. You may also want to resuce the width of some of the columns to prevent wrapping of text for long lines. 14. Click [OK] to return to the main screen. This should create the report that you want. Lee

Thanks for the reply, Susan. I don't think more output columns is going to give me new hits. I have a list of citations report that gives me 0 hits for a particular source (so it doesn't actually make a report), while the MSL says the source is cited 81 times. I think what I'm looking for is a way to find embedded citations. Or perhaps I should just ignore embedded citations and delete the source when I hit 0 on the list of citations report? Jim Polson > Use the List of Citations report filtered for the source number in > question. The report's output columns should focus on Linked Records, as > these include events, name tags, and relationship tags. I always include > columns for Subject 1 (name and ID), Subject 2 (name and ID), and tag > type. Any additional columns depend on what I want to see in the report. > > Susan Johnston > > On 9/8/2019 12:02 PM, Jim Polson wrote: > > I'm going through my Master Source List with a view to replacing > > secondary sources I had to rely on when I started out with primary > > ones I now have access to. > > > > I thought I could simply run a report like the following to get what > > I wanted: > > > > List of Events > > Any Citation Src Number = 64 > > > > This report turned up 4 citations. > > The MSL says the source is used 88 times. > > > > I've found the source lurking in other places, such as the person's > > Name, but I'm not finding them all. > > > > How do I find all the places a source is used? > > > > Jim Polson

Use the List of Citations report filtered for the source number in question. The report's output columns should focus on Linked Records, as these include events, name tags, and relationship tags. I always include columns for Subject 1 (name and ID), Subject 2 (name and ID), and tag type. Any additional columns depend on what I want to see in the report. Susan Johnston On 9/8/2019 12:02 PM, Jim Polson wrote: > I'm going through my Master Source List with a view to replacing > secondary sources I had to rely on when I started out with primary > ones I now have access to. > > I thought I could simply run a report like the following to get what > I wanted: > > List of Events > Any Citation Src Number = 64 > > This report turned up 4 citations. > The MSL says the source is used 88 times. > > I've found the source lurking in other places, such as the person's > Name, but I'm not finding them all. > > How do I find all the places a source is used? > > Jim Polson > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community >

I'm going through my Master Source List with a view to replacing secondary sources I had to rely on when I started out with primary ones I now have access to. I thought I could simply run a report like the following to get what I wanted: List of Events Any Citation Src Number = 64 This report turned up 4 citations. The MSL says the source is used 88 times. I've found the source lurking in other places, such as the person's Name, but I'm not finding them all. How do I find all the places a source is used? Jim Polson

I know of at least three genealogy programs that do import witnessed (or shared) events from GEDCOM files: Roots Magic and Family Historian, both with the added ability to import TMG data directly, and Heredis. The first two import all TMG roles and Heredis imports roles that match its own predefined set, lumping unrecognized roles in the "Other Role" category. All three allow navigation through these shared events, but none of them do so in a way that's as simple or obvious as TMG. I haven't worked enough with any of these programs to find any hidden problems with their use of shared events and roles. Susan Johnston On 9/7/2019 9:32 AM, Barbara Zanzig wrote: > I vaguely remember this thread too. It may have had to do with > Ancestry using Residence tags instead of Census tags. > > A caution about Lee's method of adding the household members as > witnesses: neither witnesses nor roles export in GEDcom (or rather, > they don't import into other programs) so if you want another program > to read it, use separate Census tags for each family member.

On 9/7/2019 9:06 AM, Alexander Payne wrote: > I am looking for the thread that was about creating a residence in addition to a census tag. Searched archives with negative results. > Much appreciated Alexander, I rarely use a Residence Tag. I position my Census tag to record the residence of the family, at the same time recording who was living in the household at the time and along with other household attributes, home ownership, renting, or boarding with others. All other information from the census goes in other tags, like Name, Relationship, Birth, Marriage and Occupation. I use a Residence Tag only when I have address information from a different source, such as a city directory. But all this is based on my preference from displaying all my information in a narrative format. I can see the value of recording other information in the Census tag if one were to display the Census tag in a separate table, as you can do in Second Site. Terry Reigel

I vaguely remember this thread too. It may have had to do with Ancestry using Residence tags instead of Census tags. A caution about Lee's method of adding the household members as witnesses: neither witnesses nor roles export in GEDcom (or rather, they don't import into other programs) so if you want another program to read it, use separate Census tags for each family member. On Sat, Sep 7, 2019 at 8:03 AM Lee Hoffman <[email protected]> wrote: > > At 9/7/2019 09:06, Alexander Payne wrote > >I am looking for the thread that was about creating a residence in > >addition to a census tag. Searched archives with negative results. > > I seem to recall such a thread, but don;t remember when. > > Anyway, like Michael, I treat the census as an event of its own. I > will also add /edit other Tags (e.g., Occupation, Birth, Marriage) > as appropriate. I do NOT add a Residence Tag based on the census and > I feel that is redundant. I may have a Residence Tag whose Date > include that of the census. But that is different as the census is > only for a specific date while the Residence is often for a range of dates. > > I make the Head of Household as the Principal of the Census Tag and > add other household members as Witnesses -- assigning them an > appropriate Role. With Roles, I can also include household members > who are not related. In some cases, these unrelated persons remain > unrelated. But, it is not unusual for an unrelated person to become > related -- usually through marriage. -- Barbara Zanzig

At 9/7/2019 09:06, Alexander Payne wrote >I am looking for the thread that was about creating a residence in >addition to a census tag. Searched archives with negative results. I seem to recall such a thread, but don;t remember when. Anyway, like Michael, I treat the census as an event of its own. I will also add /edit other Tags (e.g., Occupation, Birth, Marriage) as appropriate. I do NOT add a Residence Tag based on the census and I feel that is redundant. I may have a Residence Tag whose Date include that of the census. But that is different as the census is only for a specific date while the Residence is often for a range of dates. I make the Head of Household as the Principal of the Census Tag and add other household members as Witnesses -- assigning them an appropriate Role. With Roles, I can also include household members who are not related. In some cases, these unrelated persons remain unrelated. But, it is not unusual for an unrelated person to become related -- usually through marriage. In addition to Tags, I will often add/edit the father and/or mother to show their birthplaces as shown in the census. Lee

Thanks, this will be fine, wasn't sure if was practical, yes and it is what l wanted to do. But at times thought it as a double entry. But I will proceed with both types of tags. Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/ghei36> ________________________________ From: Michael J. Hannah <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, September 7, 2019 10:52:57 AM To: The Master Genealogist (TMG) Rootsweb Email List <[email protected]> Cc: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [TMG] Re using census plus residence tag Alexander Payne asked: > I am looking for the thread that was about creating a residence > in addition to a census tag. Searched archives with negative results. Don't have time this morning to search myself, but that is the approach I also take and which my example tag types in my book use. I view the census tag as an event in time which recorded various "stuff". I then cite the census to a variety of other tags, such as Residence, Occupation, Number of children, Birth, etc. when there is data in that census which pertains to those other tags. Is that what you meant? Michael

Alexander Payne asked: > I am looking for the thread that was about creating a residence > in addition to a census tag. Searched archives with negative results. Don't have time this morning to search myself, but that is the approach I also take and which my example tag types in my book use. I view the census tag as an event in time which recorded various "stuff". I then cite the census to a variety of other tags, such as Residence, Occupation, Number of children, Birth, etc. when there is data in that census which pertains to those other tags. Is that what you meant? Michael

I am looking for the thread that was about creating a residence in addition to a census tag. Searched archives with negative results. Much appreciated Alexander Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/ghei36> ________________________________ From: Lee Hoffman <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2019 11:59:20 PM To: The Master Genealogist (TMG) Rootsweb Email List <[email protected]> Subject: [TMG] Re: Additions to my TMG BUG list At 8/31/2019 19:18, Michael J. Hannah wrote >I have had some time this week to review old notes of reported bugs >in TMG and add new descriptions and workarounds to my on-line list >of outstanding bugs in the final TMG version. The full list is at: > >https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mjh-nm.net%2FBUGS.HTML&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C0c2463d6231a4bddbb2708d72e84bc2e%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637029019935228072&amp;sdata=WfViJsDw3JpjwZm%2BPez70Fx2j5BZAdZnOSfNDIOgj2k%3D&amp;reserved=0 > >Recent additions are: ===clipped=== >[Added 30 Jul 2019] A single vertical bar character in conditional >memo text is treated as the Two Principals separator >https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mjh-nm.net%2FBUGS.HTML%23B106&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C0c2463d6231a4bddbb2708d72e84bc2e%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637029019935228072&amp;sdata=AUZqT%2F9ST6EkN45K8J%2BDScFTQfktNJEbrwwKqLwOyDY%3D&amp;reserved=0 This has been the way TMG worked since the very early versions. It was definitely in use before Roles were introduced (probably v1, v2, v3 , and possibly up to v3.5). (We always had Roles, but they were limited to a few, -- such as: Principal, Second Principal, Witness and a couple others). It was also in versions before split fields were introduced. I recall discussion as to whether to include the "or" separator in the Memo field. It was thought by some to be advantageous especially since a different Memo text might be desired depending on whether one or two principals were entered. I cannot recall the examples given except perhaps one involving land transactions where the first Principal sold the land and the Second Principal bought it as compared to the first buying the land and a Witness selling it. In any case, I think there was very little use of the separator by users. Then, over time and many versions later, it was more or less forgotten. A bug? Based of the majority of users, possibly. If still under development, there might be some considersation for its removal from the Memo fields. Personally, I don't recall a problem with its inadvertant use although I also don't recall ever needing to use the vertical bar in a Memo. Lee _______________________________________________ Email preferences: https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fbit.ly%2Frootswebpref&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C0c2463d6231a4bddbb2708d72e84bc2e%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637029019935228072&amp;sdata=Ll%2FJPwGF%2F30fLz9WWvQECl5kOHFeQwRzBrUUfDqZN4I%3D&amp;reserved=0 Unsubscribe https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.rootsweb.com%2Fpostorius%2Flists%2Ftmg%40rootsweb.com&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C0c2463d6231a4bddbb2708d72e84bc2e%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637029019935228072&amp;sdata=BlP1b81RDc%2BjJVeFKovakgG3M8BwidOJqXntMRmxbOU%3D&amp;reserved=0 Privacy Statement: https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fancstry.me%2F2JWBOdY&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C0c2463d6231a4bddbb2708d72e84bc2e%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637029019935238083&amp;sdata=V3t2RHYU9nu8k3uZhmUqV3f9oSREdHoHKUasl9xd2gU%3D&amp;reserved=0 Terms and Conditions: https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fancstry.me%2F2HDBym9&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C0c2463d6231a4bddbb2708d72e84bc2e%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637029019935238083&amp;sdata=MxzEzTayG62XZ6pnieeL1QlXs%2BVD4EoymbYNNZjRXRc%3D&amp;reserved=0 Rootsweb Blog: https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Frootsweb.blog&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C0c2463d6231a4bddbb2708d72e84bc2e%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637029019935238083&amp;sdata=wNDdI6daUbP%2BsYDvawmPfndPmkaU66SkvOZYKiTEvQA%3D&amp;reserved=0 RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Ken I use OneDrive but as I keep my TMG Data in my own choice of location on my D: Drove, (i.e. not in the Documents folder), One Drive doesn't get to sync it at all. I do a Copy operation each evening using my backup software (FileBack PC), copying my latest .SQZ file into the C:\User\Bruce\OneDrive\TMG Backups folder I created there. So I then have the .SQZ file backed up "elsewhere" AND OneDrive then uploads it to the "cloud" so that's another backup. As I cycle through 8 backups the archive should suffice for most purposes and occurrences. *Bruce Fairhall* On 07-Sep.-19 1:46 am, [email protected] wrote: > I googled "microsoft onedrive help" and got the following: > > Turn off, disable, or uninstall OneDrive > > If you don't want to use OneDrive, the easiest solution is to unlink it. > If you want to stop syncing for a while, you can temporarily pause OneDrive > and then resume syncing later. Learn how to pause and resume sync in > OneDrive. > Notes: > You won't lose files or data by disabling or uninstalling OneDrive on your > computer. You can always access your files by signing in to OneDrive.com. > In Windows 10, OneDrive is the default save location for your files and > documents. This means new documents or files are automatically saved to > OneDrive unless you opt to save them to a different location on your PC. > Learn more about how files save to OneDrive by default in Windows 10. > Unlink OneDrive > Select the white or blue OneDrive cloud icon in the notification area, at > the far right of the taskbar. > > Note: You might need to click the Show hidden icons arrow next to the > notification area to see the OneDrive icon. If the icon doesn't appear in > the notification area, OneDrive might not be running. Select Start, type > OneDrive in the search box, and then select OneDrive in the search results. > Select More > Settings. > > On the Account tab, click Unlink this PC and then Unlink account. > > Ken > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] <[email protected]> > Sent: September 6, 2019 11:03 AM > To: 'The Master Genealogist (TMG) Rootsweb Email List' <[email protected]> > Subject: [TMG] Re: TMG and onedrive > > Ken: > > I can't get TMG to work on my new Windows 10 computer because of One Drive. > How did you unlink it? > > John > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, September 6, 2019 8:57 AM > To: 'The Master Genealogist (TMG) Rootsweb Email List' <[email protected]> > Subject: [TMG] Re: TMG and onedrive > > Thanks for the advice. Rather than uninstall it I have unlinked it from my > computer. I hope that works. So far it seems to. > > Ken > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dennis Lee Bieber <[email protected]> > Sent: September 4, 2019 7:19 PM > To: The Master Genealogist (TMG) Rootsweb Email List <[email protected]> > Subject: [TMG] Re: TMG and onedrive > > At 01:41 PM 9/4/2019 -0400, <[email protected]> wrote: >> I remember reading about the problems resulting from syncing TMG with >> MS's onedrive. I find that onedrive has changed all my file >> preferences, and when changed them back onedrive overrode my changes. >> Can anyone advise me on how to stop onedrive from interfering? >> > Assuming Windows 10... The easiest (IMHO) is to: totally disable > OneDrive and never use it. > > Win10 OneDrive does not act as a remote "backup" facility -- when > OneDrive is active it treats your local computer as the "backup" and uses > the remote storage for your home directory contents. This is sort of the > reverse of how OneDrive operates on Win7. > > It offers configuration choices to prevent OneDrive subdirectories being > copied to the local machine, but not the other way around. From an > investigation back in March: > > -=-=-=- > Note that > https://support.office.com/en-ie/article/choose-which-onedrive-folders-to-sy > nc-to-your-computer-98b8b011-8b94-419b-aa95-a14ff2415e85 has a disconcerting > comment -- they speak of not syncing OneDrive content /to/ the computer, and > state """ > If you uncheck a folder you are syncing to your computer, the folder will be > removed from your computer. The folder and its contents will still be > available online. > """ > No mention of how not to sync the computer to OneDrive. > > Just another reason I don't have it installed/running (I think I may > have it on my phone and Nook tablet, but even there I don't think I have it > active). Based upon the online documentation, OneDrive wants to "be" the > primary storage location for a user, with controls over how much of /its/ > data is duplicated locally -- rather than being a secondary storage for > selected local data. > -=-=-=- > > From a week later: > > -=-=-=- > Earlier this week I Googled pages for OneDrive... and the conclusion I > reached is that the only configuration it provides is on which cloud > directories are replicated on the local machine, but not which local > directories are to be on the cloud. > > https://www.dummies.com/computers/operating-systems/windows-10/how-to-modify > -onedrive-settings-in-windows-10/ > Note the phrasing: "...which OneDrive folders should also live on your PC" > > OneDrive wants to be just that -- a cloud-based "One Drive" master for > all your user data shared among desktop, tablet, phone, with ability to > replicate some directories locally for off-line usage. > > Everything I've seen indicates that if OneDrive is active, it /will/ > redirect your user directory to the cloud. > > https://mywindowshub.com/how-to-enable-or-disable-onedrive-integration-in-wi > ndows-10/ > Note that the instructions shown here essentially disable all of OneDrive. > Not mentioned: you need to run as admin. > > """ > This policy setting lets you prevent apps and features from working with > files on OneDrive. > If you enable this policy setting: > > * Users can't access OneDrive from the OneDrive app and file picker. > * Windows Store apps can't access OneDrive using the WinRT API. > * OneDrive doesn't appear in the navigation pane in File Explorer. > * OneDrive files aren't kept in sync with the cloud. > * Users can't automatically upload photos and videos from the camera roll > folder. > > If you disable or do not configure this policy setting, apps and features > can work with OneDrive file storage. > """ > One of the other items is "Save documents to OneDrive by default" which > would be the nicer choice (it lets one still access OneDrive manually). > Problem: The requirements state Windows Server 2012 R2, Win 8.1, or Win RT > 8.1 only. Not of use for Win10. > > "Prevent OneDrive from generating network traffic until the user signs > in to OneDrive" might be usable if one does not use an account that logs > into M$ (ie; one is using a "local log-in" -- I got caught by that once when > I had to register to activate the "free" Visual Studio; and then had to > provide a password on my next login; Windows had changed my "no password, > local" user account to a network login account). > > """ > Enable this setting to prevent the OneDrive sync client (OneDrive.exe) from > generating network traffic (checking for updates, etc.) until the user signs > in to OneDrive or starts syncing files to the local computer. > > If you enable this setting, users must sign in to the OneDrive sync client > on the local computer, or select to sync OneDrive or SharePoint files on the > computer, for the sync client to start automatically. > > If this setting is not enabled, the OneDrive sync client will start > automatically when users sign in to Windows. > > If you enable or disable this setting, do not return the setting to Not > Configured. Doing so will not change the configuration and the last > configured setting will remain in effect. > """ > -=-=-=- > > The only other option I know of is -- to move all your TMG projects OUT > of user home directories into some directory created on C:\ or other > partition... 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I googled "microsoft onedrive help" and got the following: Turn off, disable, or uninstall OneDrive If you don't want to use OneDrive, the easiest solution is to unlink it. If you want to stop syncing for a while, you can temporarily pause OneDrive and then resume syncing later. Learn how to pause and resume sync in OneDrive. Notes: You won't lose files or data by disabling or uninstalling OneDrive on your computer. You can always access your files by signing in to OneDrive.com. In Windows 10, OneDrive is the default save location for your files and documents. This means new documents or files are automatically saved to OneDrive unless you opt to save them to a different location on your PC. Learn more about how files save to OneDrive by default in Windows 10. Unlink OneDrive Select the white or blue OneDrive cloud icon in the notification area, at the far right of the taskbar. Note: You might need to click the Show hidden icons arrow next to the notification area to see the OneDrive icon. If the icon doesn't appear in the notification area, OneDrive might not be running. Select Start, type OneDrive in the search box, and then select OneDrive in the search results. Select More > Settings. On the Account tab, click Unlink this PC and then Unlink account. Ken -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> Sent: September 6, 2019 11:03 AM To: 'The Master Genealogist (TMG) Rootsweb Email List' <[email protected]> Subject: [TMG] Re: TMG and onedrive Ken: I can't get TMG to work on my new Windows 10 computer because of One Drive. How did you unlink it? John -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, September 6, 2019 8:57 AM To: 'The Master Genealogist (TMG) Rootsweb Email List' <[email protected]> Subject: [TMG] Re: TMG and onedrive Thanks for the advice. Rather than uninstall it I have unlinked it from my computer. I hope that works. So far it seems to. Ken -----Original Message----- From: Dennis Lee Bieber <[email protected]> Sent: September 4, 2019 7:19 PM To: The Master Genealogist (TMG) Rootsweb Email List <[email protected]> Subject: [TMG] Re: TMG and onedrive At 01:41 PM 9/4/2019 -0400, <[email protected]> wrote: >I remember reading about the problems resulting from syncing TMG with >MS's onedrive. I find that onedrive has changed all my file >preferences, and when changed them back onedrive overrode my changes. >Can anyone advise me on how to stop onedrive from interfering? > Assuming Windows 10... The easiest (IMHO) is to: totally disable OneDrive and never use it. Win10 OneDrive does not act as a remote "backup" facility -- when OneDrive is active it treats your local computer as the "backup" and uses the remote storage for your home directory contents. This is sort of the reverse of how OneDrive operates on Win7. It offers configuration choices to prevent OneDrive subdirectories being copied to the local machine, but not the other way around. From an investigation back in March: -=-=-=- Note that https://support.office.com/en-ie/article/choose-which-onedrive-folders-to-sy nc-to-your-computer-98b8b011-8b94-419b-aa95-a14ff2415e85 has a disconcerting comment -- they speak of not syncing OneDrive content /to/ the computer, and state """ If you uncheck a folder you are syncing to your computer, the folder will be removed from your computer. The folder and its contents will still be available online. """ No mention of how not to sync the computer to OneDrive. Just another reason I don't have it installed/running (I think I may have it on my phone and Nook tablet, but even there I don't think I have it active). Based upon the online documentation, OneDrive wants to "be" the primary storage location for a user, with controls over how much of /its/ data is duplicated locally -- rather than being a secondary storage for selected local data. -=-=-=- From a week later: -=-=-=- Earlier this week I Googled pages for OneDrive... and the conclusion I reached is that the only configuration it provides is on which cloud directories are replicated on the local machine, but not which local directories are to be on the cloud. https://www.dummies.com/computers/operating-systems/windows-10/how-to-modify -onedrive-settings-in-windows-10/ Note the phrasing: "...which OneDrive folders should also live on your PC" OneDrive wants to be just that -- a cloud-based "One Drive" master for all your user data shared among desktop, tablet, phone, with ability to replicate some directories locally for off-line usage. Everything I've seen indicates that if OneDrive is active, it /will/ redirect your user directory to the cloud. https://mywindowshub.com/how-to-enable-or-disable-onedrive-integration-in-wi ndows-10/ Note that the instructions shown here essentially disable all of OneDrive. Not mentioned: you need to run as admin. """ This policy setting lets you prevent apps and features from working with files on OneDrive. If you enable this policy setting: * Users can't access OneDrive from the OneDrive app and file picker. * Windows Store apps can't access OneDrive using the WinRT API. * OneDrive doesn't appear in the navigation pane in File Explorer. * OneDrive files aren't kept in sync with the cloud. * Users can't automatically upload photos and videos from the camera roll folder. If you disable or do not configure this policy setting, apps and features can work with OneDrive file storage. """ One of the other items is "Save documents to OneDrive by default" which would be the nicer choice (it lets one still access OneDrive manually). Problem: The requirements state Windows Server 2012 R2, Win 8.1, or Win RT 8.1 only. Not of use for Win10. "Prevent OneDrive from generating network traffic until the user signs in to OneDrive" might be usable if one does not use an account that logs into M$ (ie; one is using a "local log-in" -- I got caught by that once when I had to register to activate the "free" Visual Studio; and then had to provide a password on my next login; Windows had changed my "no password, local" user account to a network login account). """ Enable this setting to prevent the OneDrive sync client (OneDrive.exe) from generating network traffic (checking for updates, etc.) until the user signs in to OneDrive or starts syncing files to the local computer. If you enable this setting, users must sign in to the OneDrive sync client on the local computer, or select to sync OneDrive or SharePoint files on the computer, for the sync client to start automatically. If this setting is not enabled, the OneDrive sync client will start automatically when users sign in to Windows. If you enable or disable this setting, do not return the setting to Not Configured. Doing so will not change the configuration and the last configured setting will remain in effect. """ -=-=-=- The only other option I know of is -- to move all your TMG projects OUT of user home directories into some directory created on C:\ or other partition... Where the data tends to become globally readable by any account on the computer unless one does tedious operations to change access permissions. _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

No on line presence? DWH On Tuesday, September 3, 2019, 05:11:45 p.m. EDT, Patt Ricketts <[email protected]> wrote: Hi listers, The Southern California TMG users group will meet Sat Sept 7, 2019 from 2:00 to 4:00 p.m. at the SCGS Library. 417 Irving Drive Burbank, CA Everyone is welcome -- Patt Ricketts www.jackandpatt.com _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Ken: I can't get TMG to work on my new Windows 10 computer because of One Drive. How did you unlink it? John -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, September 6, 2019 8:57 AM To: 'The Master Genealogist (TMG) Rootsweb Email List' <[email protected]> Subject: [TMG] Re: TMG and onedrive Thanks for the advice. Rather than uninstall it I have unlinked it from my computer. I hope that works. So far it seems to. Ken -----Original Message----- From: Dennis Lee Bieber <[email protected]> Sent: September 4, 2019 7:19 PM To: The Master Genealogist (TMG) Rootsweb Email List <[email protected]> Subject: [TMG] Re: TMG and onedrive At 01:41 PM 9/4/2019 -0400, <[email protected]> wrote: >I remember reading about the problems resulting from syncing TMG with >MS's onedrive. I find that onedrive has changed all my file >preferences, and when changed them back onedrive overrode my changes. >Can anyone advise me on how to stop onedrive from interfering? > Assuming Windows 10... The easiest (IMHO) is to: totally disable OneDrive and never use it. Win10 OneDrive does not act as a remote "backup" facility -- when OneDrive is active it treats your local computer as the "backup" and uses the remote storage for your home directory contents. This is sort of the reverse of how OneDrive operates on Win7. It offers configuration choices to prevent OneDrive subdirectories being copied to the local machine, but not the other way around. From an investigation back in March: -=-=-=- Note that https://support.office.com/en-ie/article/choose-which-onedrive-folders-to-sy nc-to-your-computer-98b8b011-8b94-419b-aa95-a14ff2415e85 has a disconcerting comment -- they speak of not syncing OneDrive content /to/ the computer, and state """ If you uncheck a folder you are syncing to your computer, the folder will be removed from your computer. The folder and its contents will still be available online. """ No mention of how not to sync the computer to OneDrive. Just another reason I don't have it installed/running (I think I may have it on my phone and Nook tablet, but even there I don't think I have it active). Based upon the online documentation, OneDrive wants to "be" the primary storage location for a user, with controls over how much of /its/ data is duplicated locally -- rather than being a secondary storage for selected local data. -=-=-=- From a week later: -=-=-=- Earlier this week I Googled pages for OneDrive... and the conclusion I reached is that the only configuration it provides is on which cloud directories are replicated on the local machine, but not which local directories are to be on the cloud. https://www.dummies.com/computers/operating-systems/windows-10/how-to-modify -onedrive-settings-in-windows-10/ Note the phrasing: "...which OneDrive folders should also live on your PC" OneDrive wants to be just that -- a cloud-based "One Drive" master for all your user data shared among desktop, tablet, phone, with ability to replicate some directories locally for off-line usage. Everything I've seen indicates that if OneDrive is active, it /will/ redirect your user directory to the cloud. https://mywindowshub.com/how-to-enable-or-disable-onedrive-integration-in-wi ndows-10/ Note that the instructions shown here essentially disable all of OneDrive. Not mentioned: you need to run as admin. """ This policy setting lets you prevent apps and features from working with files on OneDrive. If you enable this policy setting: * Users can't access OneDrive from the OneDrive app and file picker. * Windows Store apps can't access OneDrive using the WinRT API. * OneDrive doesn't appear in the navigation pane in File Explorer. * OneDrive files aren't kept in sync with the cloud. * Users can't automatically upload photos and videos from the camera roll folder. If you disable or do not configure this policy setting, apps and features can work with OneDrive file storage. """ One of the other items is "Save documents to OneDrive by default" which would be the nicer choice (it lets one still access OneDrive manually). Problem: The requirements state Windows Server 2012 R2, Win 8.1, or Win RT 8.1 only. Not of use for Win10. "Prevent OneDrive from generating network traffic until the user signs in to OneDrive" might be usable if one does not use an account that logs into M$ (ie; one is using a "local log-in" -- I got caught by that once when I had to register to activate the "free" Visual Studio; and then had to provide a password on my next login; Windows had changed my "no password, local" user account to a network login account). """ Enable this setting to prevent the OneDrive sync client (OneDrive.exe) from generating network traffic (checking for updates, etc.) until the user signs in to OneDrive or starts syncing files to the local computer. If you enable this setting, users must sign in to the OneDrive sync client on the local computer, or select to sync OneDrive or SharePoint files on the computer, for the sync client to start automatically. If this setting is not enabled, the OneDrive sync client will start automatically when users sign in to Windows. If you enable or disable this setting, do not return the setting to Not Configured. Doing so will not change the configuration and the last configured setting will remain in effect. """ -=-=-=- The only other option I know of is -- to move all your TMG projects OUT of user home directories into some directory created on C:\ or other partition... Where the data tends to become globally readable by any account on the computer unless one does tedious operations to change access permissions. _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Thanks for the advice. Rather than uninstall it I have unlinked it from my computer. I hope that works. So far it seems to. Ken -----Original Message----- From: Dennis Lee Bieber <[email protected]> Sent: September 4, 2019 7:19 PM To: The Master Genealogist (TMG) Rootsweb Email List <[email protected]> Subject: [TMG] Re: TMG and onedrive At 01:41 PM 9/4/2019 -0400, <[email protected]> wrote: >I remember reading about the problems resulting from syncing TMG with >MS's onedrive. I find that onedrive has changed all my file >preferences, and when changed them back onedrive overrode my changes. >Can anyone advise me on how to stop onedrive from interfering? > Assuming Windows 10... The easiest (IMHO) is to: totally disable OneDrive and never use it. Win10 OneDrive does not act as a remote "backup" facility -- when OneDrive is active it treats your local computer as the "backup" and uses the remote storage for your home directory contents. This is sort of the reverse of how OneDrive operates on Win7. It offers configuration choices to prevent OneDrive subdirectories being copied to the local machine, but not the other way around. From an investigation back in March: -=-=-=- Note that https://support.office.com/en-ie/article/choose-which-onedrive-folders-to-sy nc-to-your-computer-98b8b011-8b94-419b-aa95-a14ff2415e85 has a disconcerting comment -- they speak of not syncing OneDrive content /to/ the computer, and state """ If you uncheck a folder you are syncing to your computer, the folder will be removed from your computer. The folder and its contents will still be available online. """ No mention of how not to sync the computer to OneDrive. Just another reason I don't have it installed/running (I think I may have it on my phone and Nook tablet, but even there I don't think I have it active). Based upon the online documentation, OneDrive wants to "be" the primary storage location for a user, with controls over how much of /its/ data is duplicated locally -- rather than being a secondary storage for selected local data. -=-=-=- From a week later: -=-=-=- Earlier this week I Googled pages for OneDrive... and the conclusion I reached is that the only configuration it provides is on which cloud directories are replicated on the local machine, but not which local directories are to be on the cloud. https://www.dummies.com/computers/operating-systems/windows-10/how-to-modify -onedrive-settings-in-windows-10/ Note the phrasing: "...which OneDrive folders should also live on your PC" OneDrive wants to be just that -- a cloud-based "One Drive" master for all your user data shared among desktop, tablet, phone, with ability to replicate some directories locally for off-line usage. Everything I've seen indicates that if OneDrive is active, it /will/ redirect your user directory to the cloud. https://mywindowshub.com/how-to-enable-or-disable-onedrive-integration-in-wi ndows-10/ Note that the instructions shown here essentially disable all of OneDrive. Not mentioned: you need to run as admin. """ This policy setting lets you prevent apps and features from working with files on OneDrive. If you enable this policy setting: * Users can't access OneDrive from the OneDrive app and file picker. * Windows Store apps can't access OneDrive using the WinRT API. * OneDrive doesn't appear in the navigation pane in File Explorer. * OneDrive files aren't kept in sync with the cloud. * Users can't automatically upload photos and videos from the camera roll folder. If you disable or do not configure this policy setting, apps and features can work with OneDrive file storage. """ One of the other items is "Save documents to OneDrive by default" which would be the nicer choice (it lets one still access OneDrive manually). Problem: The requirements state Windows Server 2012 R2, Win 8.1, or Win RT 8.1 only. Not of use for Win10. "Prevent OneDrive from generating network traffic until the user signs in to OneDrive" might be usable if one does not use an account that logs into M$ (ie; one is using a "local log-in" -- I got caught by that once when I had to register to activate the "free" Visual Studio; and then had to provide a password on my next login; Windows had changed my "no password, local" user account to a network login account). """ Enable this setting to prevent the OneDrive sync client (OneDrive.exe) from generating network traffic (checking for updates, etc.) until the user signs in to OneDrive or starts syncing files to the local computer. If you enable this setting, users must sign in to the OneDrive sync client on the local computer, or select to sync OneDrive or SharePoint files on the computer, for the sync client to start automatically. If this setting is not enabled, the OneDrive sync client will start automatically when users sign in to Windows. If you enable or disable this setting, do not return the setting to Not Configured. Doing so will not change the configuration and the last configured setting will remain in effect. """ -=-=-=- The only other option I know of is -- to move all your TMG projects OUT of user home directories into some directory created on C:\ or other partition... Where the data tends to become globally readable by any account on the computer unless one does tedious operations to change access permissions. _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

On 9/5/2019 4:08 PM, Jim Slade wrote: > follow on to my previous message > When using LoP report to change a flag on everyone in current Focus Group, > TMG locks up when it gets to the dialog box: "Flag changes are complete, > 17 flags were prepared" computer locks, needs Task Manager to close TMG > Could there be any connection between the two lockups? Jim, I suspect what is happening is that there is a dialog box, maybe just an OK acknowledgement, that is being placed behind the main TMG screen so you can't see it. Some things you might try: - Press the Enter key when it locks up to see if you can "click" the OK button. - Use the Window > Center the Current Window menu command to see if that will bring the hidden window to the front. - Resize the main TMG window only to partial screen and position it to the side so the middle of your monitor is clear before taking the action that locks it up, so the OK dialog will not be hidden. Terry Reigel