Thanks but what about using the same project? -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2019 7:22 PM To: 'The Master Genealogist (TMG) Rootsweb Email List' <[email protected]> Subject: [TMG] Re: Two Instances of TMG Open at Same Time? Yes, I have my father's line and my mother's line on two separate trees. I work with both of them open all the time. _______________________ Stuart Park Kerikeri, New Zealand [email protected]  -----Original Message----- From: Walter Wood <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, September 16, 2019 11:09 AM To: TMG Rootsweb Email List <[email protected]> Subject: [TMG] Two Instances of TMG Open at Same Time? Just curious. I know FoxPro, which TMG is written in, is a multiuser system. My questions is, can you have two copies (instances) of TMG open on a single (or even two) PC at the same time and not mess anything up? Thanks Walter _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Is it certain you are both referring to the same thing? Certainly it is well known that a single instance of TMG can have two projects open. But that doesn't seem the same to me as having two *instances* of TMG open. John On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 11:21:59AM +1200, [email protected] wrote: > Yes, I have my father's line and my mother's line on two separate trees. I > work with both of them open all the time. > > _______________________ > Stuart Park > Kerikeri, New Zealand > [email protected]  > > -----Original Message----- > From: Walter Wood <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, September 16, 2019 11:09 AM > To: TMG Rootsweb Email List <[email protected]> > Subject: [TMG] Two Instances of TMG Open at Same Time? > > Just curious. > > > > I know FoxPro, which TMG is written in, is a multiuser system. My questions > is, can you have two copies (instances) of TMG open on a single (or even > two) PC at the same time and not mess anything up? > > > > Thanks > Walter

Yes, I have my father's line and my mother's line on two separate trees. I work with both of them open all the time. _______________________ Stuart Park Kerikeri, New Zealand [email protected]  -----Original Message----- From: Walter Wood <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, September 16, 2019 11:09 AM To: TMG Rootsweb Email List <[email protected]> Subject: [TMG] Two Instances of TMG Open at Same Time? Just curious. I know FoxPro, which TMG is written in, is a multiuser system. My questions is, can you have two copies (instances) of TMG open on a single (or even two) PC at the same time and not mess anything up? Thanks Walter _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Just curious. I know FoxPro, which TMG is written in, is a multiuser system. My questions is, can you have two copies (instances) of TMG open on a single (or even two) PC at the same time and not mess anything up? Thanks Walter

Jim Slade wrote: > I run Optimize & VFI regularly ... > if I then run VFI first, before Optimize... Hi Jim, Let me describe the recommended usage of Optimize and VFI, as you do not seem to be following the recommendations? ========== Run Optimize first, and then *immediately* run VFI on the optimized project. Now note whether VFI reported problems. If problems were reported then first repeat Optimize, and then VFI. Continue that pair of actions, back to back in that order, until VFI shows no problems. Finally, run Optimize one last time after the last VFI. ========== As I understand the routines, running a second Optimize immediatly after running an Optimize will do nothing and is likely a waste of time. Running Optimize before VFI is required to ensure VFI can do its best validation work on the project. Running a final Optimize after VFI is always required as VFI leaves some temporary data which can be cleaned up by the Optimize, so will show a difference which is the cleanup of that temporary VFI data. ======== > I attempted to run VFI, but TMG locked up That is a separate issue. You should run your VFI immediately after having run an Optimize. Does that sequence cause TMG to lock up? Michael

I run Optimize & VFI regularly after major data changes and always before & after any merger of datasets or projects. I just merged two projects, so Project A now has two datasets which I am planning to merge. However, before merging, I ran optimize twice to confirm zero change. Next, I attempted to run VFI, but TMG locked up and I have to use Task Mgr to close VFI & TMG. Upon starting TMG again, if I then run VFI first, before Optimize, VFI reports Validation complete, no problems. Next I ran Optimize again, but it had a significant difference, so ran second time. Next I tried to run VFI again but it locks up and has to use Task Mgr to close VFI & TMG. This cycle just keeps going round & round and now I am hesitant to proceed with merge until I know what is happening. Each time I run Optimize twice to zero, but after running VFI, Optimize always has same differences. I am running TMGv9.05 with Windows10/64, with latest Win updates. Anyone have any idea what is going on and how to fix it? Thanks, Jim

> On 13 Sep 2019, at 01:29, robin lamacraft wrote: > ... > (1) Does opening the TMG UK Example project work as expected? > (2) Does the project work correctly on another TMG (same version) computer? > > My impression is that something has corrupted the TMG auxiliary files used to manage the screen settings and actions. Robin, Thanks for your help. It turns out that this was a Windows 10 problem. When I went to Windows Explorer to load the Sample project I found that there were similar random blanks in the folders and files lists. "Windows Restart" gave the option to Update and Restart. It seems that I had been trying to use Windows when it was part way through an update. It is not always obvious when Windows is updating, and this is complicated by the fact that I am using Windows via VMWare Fusion on a Mac. Chris

Hi, Chris, 2 obvious checks: (1) Does opening the TMG UK Example project work as expected? (2) Does the project work correctly on another TMG (same version) computer? My impression is that something has corrupted the TMG auxiliary files used to manage the screen settings and actions. RobinL On 13/09/2019 3:36 am, Chris Sackett wrote: > On opening TMG, I am presented with a screen where the PE is blank apart from the little + and * signs, tags in the Details window have no dates, sort dates, nor source and exhibit indicators, the Subject’s name is blank, the header row in all windows is blank, and the primary tag labels, but not non-primary tag labels, have a horizontal line in the middle (I use 2-line tags). > > I’ve tried exiting and restarting the program and the usual computer re-start. I’ve run Reindex, Optimize, and VFI. VFI reported that it had corrected 4 potential problems. Re-running VFI produces “No problems found." > > I’m guessing that this is a program failure. I have a sqz backup from a couple of hours ago, but I don’t want to risk damaging that. Should I reinstall the program, or is there another possible remedy? > > Chris Sackett > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community -- Robin Lamacraft, Adelaide, Australia --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

On opening TMG, I am presented with a screen where the PE is blank apart from the little + and * signs, tags in the Details window have no dates, sort dates, nor source and exhibit indicators, the Subject’s name is blank, the header row in all windows is blank, and the primary tag labels, but not non-primary tag labels, have a horizontal line in the middle (I use 2-line tags). I’ve tried exiting and restarting the program and the usual computer re-start. I’ve run Reindex, Optimize, and VFI. VFI reported that it had corrected 4 potential problems. Re-running VFI produces “No problems found." I’m guessing that this is a program failure. I have a sqz backup from a couple of hours ago, but I don’t want to risk damaging that. Should I reinstall the program, or is there another possible remedy? Chris Sackett

That's a kind offer. I seem to have made a real mess of this. In my OneDrive folder I have two and sometimes three copies of each file. I have a desktop which is 3 or 4 years old and works very well. It has a 1TB hard drive with two partitions; C is the main drive, D (17.7GB) is HP's recovery partition. The processor is an i7-6700 running at 2.8GHz. There is 12GB Ram. I also have two external hard drives; F is 2TB for storage of photos and H is 4TB for backups. My objective is to prevent OneDrive from corrupting my TMG files, which are on drive C. I backup TMG when I shut it down, unless there have not been any changes. When I open backup, it offers to backup a TMG file from OneDrive. This is worrisome. The actual file it lists is "C:\Users\jkenn\OneDrive\Music\Documents\The Master Genealogist v(\Projects\wood_.PJC". I have no idea how that happened; why is Documents under Music? -----Original Message----- From: Walter Wood <[email protected]> Sent: September 10, 2019 4:35 PM To: 'The Master Genealogist (TMG) Rootsweb Email List' <[email protected]> Cc: [email protected] Subject: [TMG] Re: [EXTERNAL] RE: Re: TMG and OneDrive Hello Ken, >> I do not get settings. Why is this? Since all of my computers have the very latest update of Windows 10, Ver. 1903, I am not able to tell you much beyond what I wrote without seeing what you are seeing. Also diagnosis via this list is difficult since it does not support screen shots. What version of Windows are you running? If Windows 10, you can determine this by typing "Winver" into the search box next to the start icon on the left side of the Task Bar. I do software support for a living and would be happy to assist you off list at no charge either via email or in a video conference if that would be of interest to you. Contact me off list if you wish to do this. Walter PS - My son's name is Kenneth J Wood. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2019 3:44 PM To: 'The Master Genealogist (TMG) Rootsweb Email List' <[email protected]> Subject: [TMG] [EXTERNAL] RE: Re: TMG and OneDrive First let me confess that I do not understand OneDrive. What you have described is close to what I want to do, but I am not able to follow your directions. Starting at the beginning, when I Right Click the OneDrive taskbar icon, I do not get settings. Why is this? -----Original Message----- From: Walter Wood <[email protected]> Sent: September 9, 2019 9:37 AM To: 'The Master Genealogist (TMG) Rootsweb Email List' <[email protected]> Subject: [TMG] Re: TMG and OneDrive OneDrive can be setup without using it for all of your files. Also, you can change the location of your OneDrive folder by dong the following: Right click the OneDrive taskbar icon and select Settings. Click the Unlink OneDrive button under the Account tab. ... Launch File Explorer. Navigate to and select the OneDrive folder. ... Click the Move to button on the Home tab. Select Choose location. Select the new location and click Move. Note that this will create a new folder for you and may take a while to move any existing files. I have both an SSD and a 2 TB HD on my desktop. The SSD is my C: drive and the HD is my D: drive. The C: drive has the normal Documents folder with the TMG directory. I changed my OneDrive folder to D:\OneDrive and created a second "OneDrive Documents" folder there for most of my files other than TMG. This way, TMG is not included in, or copied to, OneDrive automatically. My laptop is setup similarly but I only use it for TMG when on vacation and I am very careful to create a backup on my desktop and then restore it to my laptop and then do the reverse AS SOON AS I RETURN to avoid creating two different copies. I also use the Settings to tell OneDrive what files to store locally on both computers. This is done by right-clicking the OneDrive taskbar icon and select Settings and choosing Manage Storage. This is especially handy if you have limited storage on your computer. For backup I use BackBlaze and also regularly copy my entire TMG folder to a OneDrive folder. Walter https:\\mywoodfamily.us -----Original Message----- From: Bruce W Fairhall <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, September 6, 2019 8:37 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [TMG] Re: TMG and onedrive Ken I use OneDrive but as I keep my TMG Data in my own choice of location on my D: Drove, (i.e. not in the Documents folder), One Drive doesn't get to sync it at all. I do a Copy operation each evening using my backup software (FileBack PC), copying my latest .SQZ file into the C:\User\Bruce\OneDrive\TMG Backups folder I created there. So I then have the .SQZ file backed up "elsewhere" AND OneDrive then uploads it to the "cloud" so that's another backup. As I cycle through 8 backups the archive should suffice for most purposes and occurrences. *Bruce Fairhall* On 07-Sep.-19 1:46 am, [email protected] wrote: > I googled "microsoft onedrive help" and got the following: > > Turn off, disable, or uninstall OneDrive > > If you don't want to use OneDrive, the easiest solution is to unlink it. > If you want to stop syncing for a while, you can temporarily pause > OneDrive and then resume syncing later. Learn how to pause and resume > sync in OneDrive. > Notes: > You won't lose files or data by disabling or uninstalling OneDrive on > your computer. You can always access your files by signing in to OneDrive.com. > In Windows 10, OneDrive is the default save location for your files > and documents. This means new documents or files are automatically > saved to OneDrive unless you opt to save them to a different location > on your PC. > Learn more about how files save to OneDrive by default in Windows 10. > Unlink OneDrive > Select the white or blue OneDrive cloud icon in the notification area, > at the far right of the taskbar. > > Note: You might need to click the Show hidden icons arrow next to the > notification area to see the OneDrive icon. If the icon doesn't appear > in the notification area, OneDrive might not be running. Select Start, > type OneDrive in the search box, and then select OneDrive in the > search results. > Select More > Settings. > > On the Account tab, click Unlink this PC and then Unlink account. > > Ken > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] <[email protected]> > Sent: September 6, 2019 11:03 AM > To: 'The Master Genealogist (TMG) Rootsweb Email List' > <[email protected]> > Subject: [TMG] Re: TMG and onedrive > > Ken: > > I can't get TMG to work on my new Windows 10 computer because of One Drive. > How did you unlink it? > > John > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, September 6, 2019 8:57 AM > To: 'The Master Genealogist (TMG) Rootsweb Email List' > <[email protected]> > Subject: [TMG] Re: TMG and onedrive > > Thanks for the advice. Rather than uninstall it I have unlinked it > from my computer. I hope that works. So far it seems to. > > Ken > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dennis Lee Bieber <[email protected]> > Sent: September 4, 2019 7:19 PM > To: The Master Genealogist (TMG) Rootsweb Email List > <[email protected]> > Subject: [TMG] Re: TMG and onedrive > > At 01:41 PM 9/4/2019 -0400, <[email protected]> wrote: >> I remember reading about the problems resulting from syncing TMG with >> MS's onedrive. I find that onedrive has changed all my file >> preferences, and when changed them back onedrive overrode my changes. >> Can anyone advise me on how to stop onedrive from interfering? >> > Assuming Windows 10... The easiest (IMHO) is to: totally disable > OneDrive and never use it. > > Win10 OneDrive does not act as a remote "backup" facility -- when > OneDrive is active it treats your local computer as the "backup" and > uses the remote storage for your home directory contents. This is sort > of the reverse of how OneDrive operates on Win7. > > It offers configuration choices to prevent OneDrive > subdirectories being copied to the local machine, but not the other > way around. From an investigation back in March: > > -=-=-=- > Note that > https://support.office.com/en-ie/article/choose-which-onedrive-folders > -to-sy > nc-to-your-computer-98b8b011-8b94-419b-aa95-a14ff2415e85 has a > disconcerting comment -- they speak of not syncing OneDrive content > /to/ the computer, and state """ > If you uncheck a folder you are syncing to your computer, the folder > will be removed from your computer. The folder and its contents will > still be available online. > """ > No mention of how not to sync the computer to OneDrive. > > Just another reason I don't have it installed/running (I think I > may have it on my phone and Nook tablet, but even there I don't think > I have it active). Based upon the online documentation, OneDrive wants > to "be" the primary storage location for a user, with controls over > how much of /its/ data is duplicated locally -- rather than being a > secondary storage for selected local data. > -=-=-=- > > From a week later: > > -=-=-=- > Earlier this week I Googled pages for OneDrive... and the > conclusion I reached is that the only configuration it provides is on > which cloud directories are replicated on the local machine, but not > which local directories are to be on the cloud. > > https://www.dummies.com/computers/operating-systems/windows-10/how-to- > modify > -onedrive-settings-in-windows-10/ > Note the phrasing: "...which OneDrive folders should also live on your PC" > > OneDrive wants to be just that -- a cloud-based "One Drive" > master for all your user data shared among desktop, tablet, phone, > with ability to replicate some directories locally for off-line usage. > > Everything I've seen indicates that if OneDrive is active, it > /will/ redirect your user directory to the cloud. > > https://mywindowshub.com/how-to-enable-or-disable-onedrive-integration > -in-wi > ndows-10/ > Note that the instructions shown here essentially disable all of OneDrive. > Not mentioned: you need to run as admin. > > """ > This policy setting lets you prevent apps and features from working > with files on OneDrive. > If you enable this policy setting: > > * Users can't access OneDrive from the OneDrive app and file picker. > * Windows Store apps can't access OneDrive using the WinRT API. > * OneDrive doesn't appear in the navigation pane in File Explorer. > * OneDrive files aren't kept in sync with the cloud. > * Users can't automatically upload photos and videos from the camera > roll folder. > > If you disable or do not configure this policy setting, apps and > features can work with OneDrive file storage. > """ > One of the other items is "Save documents to OneDrive by default" > which would be the nicer choice (it lets one still access OneDrive manually). > Problem: The requirements state Windows Server 2012 R2, Win 8.1, or > Win RT > 8.1 only. Not of use for Win10. > > "Prevent OneDrive from generating network traffic until the user > signs in to OneDrive" might be usable if one does not use an account > that logs into M$ (ie; one is using a "local log-in" -- I got caught > by that once when I had to register to activate the "free" Visual > Studio; and then had to provide a password on my next login; Windows > had changed my "no password, local" user account to a network login account). > > """ > Enable this setting to prevent the OneDrive sync client (OneDrive.exe) > from generating network traffic (checking for updates, etc.) until the > user signs in to OneDrive or starts syncing files to the local computer. > > If you enable this setting, users must sign in to the OneDrive sync > client on the local computer, or select to sync OneDrive or SharePoint > files on the computer, for the sync client to start automatically. > > If this setting is not enabled, the OneDrive sync client will start > automatically when users sign in to Windows. > > If you enable or disable this setting, do not return the setting to > Not Configured. Doing so will not change the configuration and the > last configured setting will remain in effect. > """ > -=-=-=- > > The only other option I know of is -- to move all your TMG > projects OUT of user home directories into some directory created on > C:\ or other partition... 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Hello Ken, >> I do not get settings. Why is this? Since all of my computers have the very latest update of Windows 10, Ver. 1903, I am not able to tell you much beyond what I wrote without seeing what you are seeing. Also diagnosis via this list is difficult since it does not support screen shots. What version of Windows are you running? If Windows 10, you can determine this by typing "Winver" into the search box next to the start icon on the left side of the Task Bar. I do software support for a living and would be happy to assist you off list at no charge either via email or in a video conference if that would be of interest to you. Contact me off list if you wish to do this. Walter PS - My son's name is Kenneth J Wood. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2019 3:44 PM To: 'The Master Genealogist (TMG) Rootsweb Email List' <[email protected]> Subject: [TMG] [EXTERNAL] RE: Re: TMG and OneDrive First let me confess that I do not understand OneDrive. What you have described is close to what I want to do, but I am not able to follow your directions. Starting at the beginning, when I Right Click the OneDrive taskbar icon, I do not get settings. Why is this? -----Original Message----- From: Walter Wood <[email protected]> Sent: September 9, 2019 9:37 AM To: 'The Master Genealogist (TMG) Rootsweb Email List' <[email protected]> Subject: [TMG] Re: TMG and OneDrive OneDrive can be setup without using it for all of your files. Also, you can change the location of your OneDrive folder by dong the following: Right click the OneDrive taskbar icon and select Settings. Click the Unlink OneDrive button under the Account tab. ... Launch File Explorer. Navigate to and select the OneDrive folder. ... Click the Move to button on the Home tab. Select Choose location. Select the new location and click Move. Note that this will create a new folder for you and may take a while to move any existing files. I have both an SSD and a 2 TB HD on my desktop. The SSD is my C: drive and the HD is my D: drive. The C: drive has the normal Documents folder with the TMG directory. I changed my OneDrive folder to D:\OneDrive and created a second "OneDrive Documents" folder there for most of my files other than TMG. This way, TMG is not included in, or copied to, OneDrive automatically. My laptop is setup similarly but I only use it for TMG when on vacation and I am very careful to create a backup on my desktop and then restore it to my laptop and then do the reverse AS SOON AS I RETURN to avoid creating two different copies. I also use the Settings to tell OneDrive what files to store locally on both computers. This is done by right-clicking the OneDrive taskbar icon and select Settings and choosing Manage Storage. This is especially handy if you have limited storage on your computer. For backup I use BackBlaze and also regularly copy my entire TMG folder to a OneDrive folder. Walter https:\\mywoodfamily.us -----Original Message----- From: Bruce W Fairhall <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, September 6, 2019 8:37 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [TMG] Re: TMG and onedrive Ken I use OneDrive but as I keep my TMG Data in my own choice of location on my D: Drove, (i.e. not in the Documents folder), One Drive doesn't get to sync it at all. I do a Copy operation each evening using my backup software (FileBack PC), copying my latest .SQZ file into the C:\User\Bruce\OneDrive\TMG Backups folder I created there. So I then have the .SQZ file backed up "elsewhere" AND OneDrive then uploads it to the "cloud" so that's another backup. As I cycle through 8 backups the archive should suffice for most purposes and occurrences. *Bruce Fairhall* On 07-Sep.-19 1:46 am, [email protected] wrote: > I googled "microsoft onedrive help" and got the following: > > Turn off, disable, or uninstall OneDrive > > If you don't want to use OneDrive, the easiest solution is to unlink it. > If you want to stop syncing for a while, you can temporarily pause > OneDrive and then resume syncing later. Learn how to pause and resume > sync in OneDrive. > Notes: > You won't lose files or data by disabling or uninstalling OneDrive on > your computer. You can always access your files by signing in to OneDrive.com. > In Windows 10, OneDrive is the default save location for your files > and documents. This means new documents or files are automatically > saved to OneDrive unless you opt to save them to a different location > on your PC. > Learn more about how files save to OneDrive by default in Windows 10. > Unlink OneDrive > Select the white or blue OneDrive cloud icon in the notification area, > at the far right of the taskbar. > > Note: You might need to click the Show hidden icons arrow next to the > notification area to see the OneDrive icon. If the icon doesn't appear > in the notification area, OneDrive might not be running. Select Start, > type OneDrive in the search box, and then select OneDrive in the > search results. > Select More > Settings. > > On the Account tab, click Unlink this PC and then Unlink account. > > Ken > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] <[email protected]> > Sent: September 6, 2019 11:03 AM > To: 'The Master Genealogist (TMG) Rootsweb Email List' > <[email protected]> > Subject: [TMG] Re: TMG and onedrive > > Ken: > > I can't get TMG to work on my new Windows 10 computer because of One Drive. > How did you unlink it? > > John > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, September 6, 2019 8:57 AM > To: 'The Master Genealogist (TMG) Rootsweb Email List' > <[email protected]> > Subject: [TMG] Re: TMG and onedrive > > Thanks for the advice. Rather than uninstall it I have unlinked it > from my computer. I hope that works. So far it seems to. > > Ken > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dennis Lee Bieber <[email protected]> > Sent: September 4, 2019 7:19 PM > To: The Master Genealogist (TMG) Rootsweb Email List > <[email protected]> > Subject: [TMG] Re: TMG and onedrive > > At 01:41 PM 9/4/2019 -0400, <[email protected]> wrote: >> I remember reading about the problems resulting from syncing TMG with >> MS's onedrive. I find that onedrive has changed all my file >> preferences, and when changed them back onedrive overrode my changes. >> Can anyone advise me on how to stop onedrive from interfering? >> > Assuming Windows 10... The easiest (IMHO) is to: totally disable > OneDrive and never use it. > > Win10 OneDrive does not act as a remote "backup" facility -- when > OneDrive is active it treats your local computer as the "backup" and > uses the remote storage for your home directory contents. This is sort > of the reverse of how OneDrive operates on Win7. > > It offers configuration choices to prevent OneDrive > subdirectories being copied to the local machine, but not the other > way around. From an investigation back in March: > > -=-=-=- > Note that > https://support.office.com/en-ie/article/choose-which-onedrive-folders > -to-sy > nc-to-your-computer-98b8b011-8b94-419b-aa95-a14ff2415e85 has a > disconcerting comment -- they speak of not syncing OneDrive content > /to/ the computer, and state """ > If you uncheck a folder you are syncing to your computer, the folder > will be removed from your computer. The folder and its contents will > still be available online. > """ > No mention of how not to sync the computer to OneDrive. > > Just another reason I don't have it installed/running (I think I > may have it on my phone and Nook tablet, but even there I don't think > I have it active). Based upon the online documentation, OneDrive wants > to "be" the primary storage location for a user, with controls over > how much of /its/ data is duplicated locally -- rather than being a > secondary storage for selected local data. > -=-=-=- > > From a week later: > > -=-=-=- > Earlier this week I Googled pages for OneDrive... and the > conclusion I reached is that the only configuration it provides is on > which cloud directories are replicated on the local machine, but not > which local directories are to be on the cloud. > > https://www.dummies.com/computers/operating-systems/windows-10/how-to- > modify > -onedrive-settings-in-windows-10/ > Note the phrasing: "...which OneDrive folders should also live on your PC" > > OneDrive wants to be just that -- a cloud-based "One Drive" > master for all your user data shared among desktop, tablet, phone, > with ability to replicate some directories locally for off-line usage. > > Everything I've seen indicates that if OneDrive is active, it > /will/ redirect your user directory to the cloud. > > https://mywindowshub.com/how-to-enable-or-disable-onedrive-integration > -in-wi > ndows-10/ > Note that the instructions shown here essentially disable all of OneDrive. > Not mentioned: you need to run as admin. > > """ > This policy setting lets you prevent apps and features from working > with files on OneDrive. > If you enable this policy setting: > > * Users can't access OneDrive from the OneDrive app and file picker. > * Windows Store apps can't access OneDrive using the WinRT API. > * OneDrive doesn't appear in the navigation pane in File Explorer. > * OneDrive files aren't kept in sync with the cloud. > * Users can't automatically upload photos and videos from the camera > roll folder. > > If you disable or do not configure this policy setting, apps and > features can work with OneDrive file storage. > """ > One of the other items is "Save documents to OneDrive by default" > which would be the nicer choice (it lets one still access OneDrive manually). > Problem: The requirements state Windows Server 2012 R2, Win 8.1, or > Win RT > 8.1 only. Not of use for Win10. > > "Prevent OneDrive from generating network traffic until the user > signs in to OneDrive" might be usable if one does not use an account > that logs into M$ (ie; one is using a "local log-in" -- I got caught > by that once when I had to register to activate the "free" Visual > Studio; and then had to provide a password on my next login; Windows > had changed my "no password, local" user account to a network login account). > > """ > Enable this setting to prevent the OneDrive sync client (OneDrive.exe) > from generating network traffic (checking for updates, etc.) until the > user signs in to OneDrive or starts syncing files to the local computer. > > If you enable this setting, users must sign in to the OneDrive sync > client on the local computer, or select to sync OneDrive or SharePoint > files on the computer, for the sync client to start automatically. > > If this setting is not enabled, the OneDrive sync client will start > automatically when users sign in to Windows. > > If you enable or disable this setting, do not return the setting to > Not Configured. Doing so will not change the configuration and the > last configured setting will remain in effect. > """ > -=-=-=- > > The only other option I know of is -- to move all your TMG > projects OUT of user home directories into some directory created on > C:\ or other partition... 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First let me confess that I do not understand OneDrive. What you have described is close to what I want to do, but I am not able to follow your directions. Starting at the beginning, when I Right Click the OneDrive taskbar icon, I do not get settings. Why is this? -----Original Message----- From: Walter Wood <[email protected]> Sent: September 9, 2019 9:37 AM To: 'The Master Genealogist (TMG) Rootsweb Email List' <[email protected]> Subject: [TMG] Re: TMG and OneDrive OneDrive can be setup without using it for all of your files. Also, you can change the location of your OneDrive folder by dong the following: Right click the OneDrive taskbar icon and select Settings. Click the Unlink OneDrive button under the Account tab. ... Launch File Explorer. Navigate to and select the OneDrive folder. ... Click the Move to button on the Home tab. Select Choose location. Select the new location and click Move. Note that this will create a new folder for you and may take a while to move any existing files. I have both an SSD and a 2 TB HD on my desktop. The SSD is my C: drive and the HD is my D: drive. The C: drive has the normal Documents folder with the TMG directory. I changed my OneDrive folder to D:\OneDrive and created a second "OneDrive Documents" folder there for most of my files other than TMG. This way, TMG is not included in, or copied to, OneDrive automatically. My laptop is setup similarly but I only use it for TMG when on vacation and I am very careful to create a backup on my desktop and then restore it to my laptop and then do the reverse AS SOON AS I RETURN to avoid creating two different copies. I also use the Settings to tell OneDrive what files to store locally on both computers. This is done by right-clicking the OneDrive taskbar icon and select Settings and choosing Manage Storage. This is especially handy if you have limited storage on your computer. For backup I use BackBlaze and also regularly copy my entire TMG folder to a OneDrive folder. Walter https:\\mywoodfamily.us -----Original Message----- From: Bruce W Fairhall <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, September 6, 2019 8:37 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [TMG] Re: TMG and onedrive Ken I use OneDrive but as I keep my TMG Data in my own choice of location on my D: Drove, (i.e. not in the Documents folder), One Drive doesn't get to sync it at all. I do a Copy operation each evening using my backup software (FileBack PC), copying my latest .SQZ file into the C:\User\Bruce\OneDrive\TMG Backups folder I created there. So I then have the .SQZ file backed up "elsewhere" AND OneDrive then uploads it to the "cloud" so that's another backup. As I cycle through 8 backups the archive should suffice for most purposes and occurrences. *Bruce Fairhall* On 07-Sep.-19 1:46 am, [email protected] wrote: > I googled "microsoft onedrive help" and got the following: > > Turn off, disable, or uninstall OneDrive > > If you don't want to use OneDrive, the easiest solution is to unlink it. > If you want to stop syncing for a while, you can temporarily pause > OneDrive and then resume syncing later. Learn how to pause and resume > sync in OneDrive. > Notes: > You won't lose files or data by disabling or uninstalling OneDrive on > your computer. You can always access your files by signing in to OneDrive.com. > In Windows 10, OneDrive is the default save location for your files > and documents. This means new documents or files are automatically > saved to OneDrive unless you opt to save them to a different location > on your PC. > Learn more about how files save to OneDrive by default in Windows 10. > Unlink OneDrive > Select the white or blue OneDrive cloud icon in the notification area, > at the far right of the taskbar. > > Note: You might need to click the Show hidden icons arrow next to the > notification area to see the OneDrive icon. If the icon doesn't appear > in the notification area, OneDrive might not be running. Select Start, > type OneDrive in the search box, and then select OneDrive in the > search results. > Select More > Settings. > > On the Account tab, click Unlink this PC and then Unlink account. > > Ken > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] <[email protected]> > Sent: September 6, 2019 11:03 AM > To: 'The Master Genealogist (TMG) Rootsweb Email List' > <[email protected]> > Subject: [TMG] Re: TMG and onedrive > > Ken: > > I can't get TMG to work on my new Windows 10 computer because of One Drive. > How did you unlink it? > > John > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, September 6, 2019 8:57 AM > To: 'The Master Genealogist (TMG) Rootsweb Email List' > <[email protected]> > Subject: [TMG] Re: TMG and onedrive > > Thanks for the advice. Rather than uninstall it I have unlinked it > from my computer. I hope that works. So far it seems to. > > Ken > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dennis Lee Bieber <[email protected]> > Sent: September 4, 2019 7:19 PM > To: The Master Genealogist (TMG) Rootsweb Email List > <[email protected]> > Subject: [TMG] Re: TMG and onedrive > > At 01:41 PM 9/4/2019 -0400, <[email protected]> wrote: >> I remember reading about the problems resulting from syncing TMG with >> MS's onedrive. I find that onedrive has changed all my file >> preferences, and when changed them back onedrive overrode my changes. >> Can anyone advise me on how to stop onedrive from interfering? >> > Assuming Windows 10... The easiest (IMHO) is to: totally disable > OneDrive and never use it. > > Win10 OneDrive does not act as a remote "backup" facility -- when > OneDrive is active it treats your local computer as the "backup" and > uses the remote storage for your home directory contents. This is sort > of the reverse of how OneDrive operates on Win7. > > It offers configuration choices to prevent OneDrive > subdirectories being copied to the local machine, but not the other > way around. From an investigation back in March: > > -=-=-=- > Note that > https://support.office.com/en-ie/article/choose-which-onedrive-folders > -to-sy > nc-to-your-computer-98b8b011-8b94-419b-aa95-a14ff2415e85 has a > disconcerting comment -- they speak of not syncing OneDrive content > /to/ the computer, and state """ > If you uncheck a folder you are syncing to your computer, the folder > will be removed from your computer. The folder and its contents will > still be available online. > """ > No mention of how not to sync the computer to OneDrive. > > Just another reason I don't have it installed/running (I think I > may have it on my phone and Nook tablet, but even there I don't think > I have it active). Based upon the online documentation, OneDrive wants > to "be" the primary storage location for a user, with controls over > how much of /its/ data is duplicated locally -- rather than being a > secondary storage for selected local data. > -=-=-=- > > From a week later: > > -=-=-=- > Earlier this week I Googled pages for OneDrive... and the > conclusion I reached is that the only configuration it provides is on > which cloud directories are replicated on the local machine, but not > which local directories are to be on the cloud. > > https://www.dummies.com/computers/operating-systems/windows-10/how-to- > modify > -onedrive-settings-in-windows-10/ > Note the phrasing: "...which OneDrive folders should also live on your PC" > > OneDrive wants to be just that -- a cloud-based "One Drive" > master for all your user data shared among desktop, tablet, phone, > with ability to replicate some directories locally for off-line usage. > > Everything I've seen indicates that if OneDrive is active, it > /will/ redirect your user directory to the cloud. > > https://mywindowshub.com/how-to-enable-or-disable-onedrive-integration > -in-wi > ndows-10/ > Note that the instructions shown here essentially disable all of OneDrive. > Not mentioned: you need to run as admin. > > """ > This policy setting lets you prevent apps and features from working > with files on OneDrive. > If you enable this policy setting: > > * Users can't access OneDrive from the OneDrive app and file picker. > * Windows Store apps can't access OneDrive using the WinRT API. > * OneDrive doesn't appear in the navigation pane in File Explorer. > * OneDrive files aren't kept in sync with the cloud. > * Users can't automatically upload photos and videos from the camera > roll folder. > > If you disable or do not configure this policy setting, apps and > features can work with OneDrive file storage. > """ > One of the other items is "Save documents to OneDrive by default" > which would be the nicer choice (it lets one still access OneDrive manually). > Problem: The requirements state Windows Server 2012 R2, Win 8.1, or > Win RT > 8.1 only. Not of use for Win10. > > "Prevent OneDrive from generating network traffic until the user > signs in to OneDrive" might be usable if one does not use an account > that logs into M$ (ie; one is using a "local log-in" -- I got caught > by that once when I had to register to activate the "free" Visual > Studio; and then had to provide a password on my next login; Windows > had changed my "no password, local" user account to a network login account). > > """ > Enable this setting to prevent the OneDrive sync client (OneDrive.exe) > from generating network traffic (checking for updates, etc.) until the > user signs in to OneDrive or starts syncing files to the local computer. > > If you enable this setting, users must sign in to the OneDrive sync > client on the local computer, or select to sync OneDrive or SharePoint > files on the computer, for the sync client to start automatically. > > If this setting is not enabled, the OneDrive sync client will start > automatically when users sign in to Windows. > > If you enable or disable this setting, do not return the setting to > Not Configured. Doing so will not change the configuration and the > last configured setting will remain in effect. > """ > -=-=-=- > > The only other option I know of is -- to move all your TMG > projects OUT of user home directories into some directory created on > C:\ or other partition... Where the data tends to become globally > readable by any account on the computer unless one does tedious > operations to change access permissions. > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal > RootsWeb community > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal > RootsWeb community > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal > RootsWeb community > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal > RootsWeb community > _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

At 9/9/2019 18:44, Jim Polson wrote >I can now see where many of these embedded citations come from. When >you add a son to a person, for example, you will be prompted at some >point for a source. That source is embedded in the person's Son-Bio >tag. I think it will also be embedded in the son's Name tag. I >presume the same thing happens with other people when they're added. As Michael says, "embedded" has a special meaning in TMG . Source Citations are _attached_ to Tags. Most often, they are attached in the Citations field near the bottom of a Tag. Citations can also be attached by embedding them within the text of Memo field -- see the Embedded Source Citation topic in TMG Help under the Memo topic for details. The advantage of Embedded Citations comes when you want to have the citation more closely associated with a fact in the Memo test of the resulting Tag Sentence than is usually the case for other attched (non-embedded) citation which show at the end of the sentence. If the Tag Sentence with its Memo text results in a very long sentence, multiple sentences, or a paragraph. In such cases, having the citation closer to what it supports sometimes helps. Lee

Jim Polson wrote: > My thanks to Michael, Toby, Lee, and Dorothy for their responses. Happy to help, Jim. > ... I was using List of Events, when I would have had > more success using List of Citations. > I can now see where many of these "embedded" citations come from. Ahhh... careful Jim, your misuse of terms is confusing both to you and to others trying to help you. The phrase "embedded citation" has a very specific special detailed meaning in TMG. It is NOT used for your situation: > When you add a son to a person, for example, you will be prompted > at some point for a source. That source is ***embedded*** in the > person's Son-Bio tag. I think it will also be ***embedded*** > in the son's Name tag. In TMG an "embedded citation" ONLY means a source which is cited by using the special [CIT:][:CIT] codes EMBEDDED in a memo or sentence. Thus your use of that term above is very confusing. I would recommend you use the following phrase: ... That source is "automatically cited" on the person's Son-Bio tag... it will also be "automatically cited" on the son's Name tag. In fact any citation(s) you identify on the Add Person screen will be "automatically cited" to *every* tag generated by that Add Person action. Thus for a "son" it will cite it to both parents' Relationship tags, the Name tag, and any Birth, Death, or other tag type which you have defined in the Add Person screen and for which you provide data. Hope this helps explain things, Michael

My thanks to Michael, Toby, Lee, and Dorothy for their responses. I think I've solved the problem. As is often the case, the difficulty arose from operator stupidity. I was using List of Events, when I would have had more success using List of Citations. I can now see where many of these embedded citations come from. When you add a son to a person, for example, you will be prompted at some point for a source. That source is embedded in the person's Son-Bio tag. I think it will also be embedded in the son's Name tag. I presume the same thing happens with other people when they're added. I think I have a bit of work to do. Jim Polson > I'm going through my Master Source List with a view to replacing > secondary sources I had to rely on when I started out with primary > ones I now have access to. > > I thought I could simply run a report like the following to get what > I wanted: > > List of Events > Any Citation Src Number = 64 > > This report turned up 4 citations. > The MSL says the source is used 88 times. > > I've found the source lurking in other places, such as the person's > Name, but I'm not finding them all. > > How do I find all the places a source is used? > > Jim Polson > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

On 9/9/2019 11:24 AM, Carol Hornung wrote: > Just wondering how others use the RESEARCHER tag. > > If I'm working with someone who descends from, i.e., my gt-aunt, and I have > quite a few of her descendants - including that researcher - in my database, > best to attach tag to both him and my gt-aunt? How many others??? > > Problem there is that tag would likely include his email addr, which I > probably wouldn't want published on FHH, although I could exclude that tag, > just as I do SSN. [Sorry - thinking this through as I type...] > > Currently, I keep that other researcher's emails in an Outlook family > subfolder, but don't always remember to check it after years pass since > original correspondence. > > Interested in how others track this info. Thanks! Carol, First, Researcher is not a standard tag type, so either you created it or it was created from an import from another program. I keep track of fellow researchers by adding them to my contacts in my email program, and making a note of their relationship in the Notes section of the contact record. They are only mentioned in my TMG data if I cite them for some information from an email or other document they send me, though if we have an extended communication I may enter them as a person in my database. Terry Reigel

Carol Hornung wrote: > Just wondering how others use the RESEARCHER tag. Well first, Carol, that is not a standard TMG tag, so I suspect there is not a common way to use it. Maybe a more appropriate question to ask is how others record source information which is provided by someone who is in the project. The methods can range from just to include their name in the Source Record, to linking them as a Repository, to some simple use of a "Researcher", to ever more complex methods. I am sure you will get many suggestions. I use "pseudo" people extensively in my projects, and one such "person" is a "source person". I briefly discuss the concept in my book here: https://www.mjh-nm.net/STYLE.HTML#SourcePerson and more fully describe this particular type of "person" here: https://www.mjh-nm.net/SRCGUIDE.HTML#SourcePerson I have custom tags which I assign to such people, most especially a "Transcript" tag which might be a transcript of communication with the person or a transcript of a family tree provided by the person, etc. Further all the people mentioned in such transcripts I include as Witnesses to that tag. While I define many different types of source people, one such "person" is actually a "duplicate" of a "real" person in the project. The source person's "Birth" (custom tag name Created) tag has a Witness link to the "real" person. Such duplicates of real people need to be dealt with carefully. They might be considered sources, and they might also be considered repositories. If their knowledge is the source, I usually include that based on the documentation of that information: interview, correspondence, etc. If they possess something that is the source, I usually consider them a repository. I can either have all Transcript tags linked to this source pseudo person, or could collect separate source persons for each "type" of source with a source person as the "father" of these separate types of source sons. In addition I link this "person" to all Source Records entered into the Master Source List which came from this source person with a custom Source Element which uses SecondSite's PageLink feature to produce a hyperlink to this source person as part of the source record output. While this is a bit complicated to set up, it is fully described in my book at the link above, and I find it very useful to keep separate tags about research information which are only assigned to the source "person", from tags about events in the life of the "real" person. May be more than you want, but hope this gives you ideas, Michael

Carol I use the RESEARCHER tag just to identify a cousin who is actually interested in/and or actively researching the family tree. I make the email address or any other sensitive information private. It helps whenever I discover new information as I can then run a report of all descendants of a particular person and find all the RESEARCHERs and send them the new information (I have far too many to remember them all off the top of my head). I really would like to extend this to include 'what' I have sent them, but will have to think this through first. Cheers Chris On Mon, 9 Sep 2019 at 11:25, Carol Hornung <[email protected]> wrote: > Just wondering how others use the RESEARCHER tag. > > If I'm working with someone who descends from, i.e., my gt-aunt, and I have > quite a few of her descendants - including that researcher - in my > database, > best to attach tag to both him and my gt-aunt? How many others??? > > Problem there is that tag would likely include his email addr, which I > probably wouldn't want published on FHH, although I could exclude that tag, > just as I do SSN. [Sorry - thinking this through as I type...] > > Currently, I keep that other researcher's emails in an Outlook family > subfolder, but don't always remember to check it after years pass since > original correspondence. > > Interested in how others track this info. Thanks! ~Carol > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Chris Wright http://www.chriswright.id.au https://sites.google.com/site/wrightholidays/ http://coolgarra-trips.blogspot.com/

Just wondering how others use the RESEARCHER tag. If I'm working with someone who descends from, i.e., my gt-aunt, and I have quite a few of her descendants - including that researcher - in my database, best to attach tag to both him and my gt-aunt? How many others??? Problem there is that tag would likely include his email addr, which I probably wouldn't want published on FHH, although I could exclude that tag, just as I do SSN. [Sorry - thinking this through as I type...] Currently, I keep that other researcher's emails in an Outlook family subfolder, but don't always remember to check it after years pass since original correspondence. Interested in how others track this info. Thanks! ~Carol

OneDrive can be setup without using it for all of your files. Also, you can change the location of your OneDrive folder by dong the following: Right click the OneDrive taskbar icon and select Settings. Click the Unlink OneDrive button under the Account tab. ... Launch File Explorer. Navigate to and select the OneDrive folder. ... Click the Move to button on the Home tab. Select Choose location. Select the new location and click Move. Note that this will create a new folder for you and may take a while to move any existing files. I have both an SSD and a 2 TB HD on my desktop. The SSD is my C: drive and the HD is my D: drive. The C: drive has the normal Documents folder with the TMG directory. I changed my OneDrive folder to D:\OneDrive and created a second "OneDrive Documents" folder there for most of my files other than TMG. This way, TMG is not included in, or copied to, OneDrive automatically. My laptop is setup similarly but I only use it for TMG when on vacation and I am very careful to create a backup on my desktop and then restore it to my laptop and then do the reverse AS SOON AS I RETURN to avoid creating two different copies. I also use the Settings to tell OneDrive what files to store locally on both computers. This is done by right-clicking the OneDrive taskbar icon and select Settings and choosing Manage Storage. This is especially handy if you have limited storage on your computer. For backup I use BackBlaze and also regularly copy my entire TMG folder to a OneDrive folder. Walter https:\\mywoodfamily.us -----Original Message----- From: Bruce W Fairhall <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, September 6, 2019 8:37 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [TMG] Re: TMG and onedrive Ken I use OneDrive but as I keep my TMG Data in my own choice of location on my D: Drove, (i.e. not in the Documents folder), One Drive doesn't get to sync it at all. I do a Copy operation each evening using my backup software (FileBack PC), copying my latest .SQZ file into the C:\User\Bruce\OneDrive\TMG Backups folder I created there. So I then have the .SQZ file backed up "elsewhere" AND OneDrive then uploads it to the "cloud" so that's another backup. As I cycle through 8 backups the archive should suffice for most purposes and occurrences. *Bruce Fairhall* On 07-Sep.-19 1:46 am, [email protected] wrote: > I googled "microsoft onedrive help" and got the following: > > Turn off, disable, or uninstall OneDrive > > If you don't want to use OneDrive, the easiest solution is to unlink it. > If you want to stop syncing for a while, you can temporarily pause > OneDrive and then resume syncing later. Learn how to pause and resume > sync in OneDrive. > Notes: > You won't lose files or data by disabling or uninstalling OneDrive on > your computer. You can always access your files by signing in to OneDrive.com. > In Windows 10, OneDrive is the default save location for your files > and documents. This means new documents or files are automatically > saved to OneDrive unless you opt to save them to a different location on your PC. > Learn more about how files save to OneDrive by default in Windows 10. > Unlink OneDrive > Select the white or blue OneDrive cloud icon in the notification area, > at the far right of the taskbar. > > Note: You might need to click the Show hidden icons arrow next to the > notification area to see the OneDrive icon. If the icon doesn't appear > in the notification area, OneDrive might not be running. Select Start, > type OneDrive in the search box, and then select OneDrive in the search results. > Select More > Settings. > > On the Account tab, click Unlink this PC and then Unlink account. > > Ken > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] <[email protected]> > Sent: September 6, 2019 11:03 AM > To: 'The Master Genealogist (TMG) Rootsweb Email List' > <[email protected]> > Subject: [TMG] Re: TMG and onedrive > > Ken: > > I can't get TMG to work on my new Windows 10 computer because of One Drive. > How did you unlink it? > > John > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, September 6, 2019 8:57 AM > To: 'The Master Genealogist (TMG) Rootsweb Email List' > <[email protected]> > Subject: [TMG] Re: TMG and onedrive > > Thanks for the advice. Rather than uninstall it I have unlinked it > from my computer. I hope that works. So far it seems to. > > Ken > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dennis Lee Bieber <[email protected]> > Sent: September 4, 2019 7:19 PM > To: The Master Genealogist (TMG) Rootsweb Email List > <[email protected]> > Subject: [TMG] Re: TMG and onedrive > > At 01:41 PM 9/4/2019 -0400, <[email protected]> wrote: >> I remember reading about the problems resulting from syncing TMG with >> MS's onedrive. I find that onedrive has changed all my file >> preferences, and when changed them back onedrive overrode my changes. >> Can anyone advise me on how to stop onedrive from interfering? >> > Assuming Windows 10... The easiest (IMHO) is to: totally disable > OneDrive and never use it. > > Win10 OneDrive does not act as a remote "backup" facility -- when > OneDrive is active it treats your local computer as the "backup" and > uses the remote storage for your home directory contents. This is sort > of the reverse of how OneDrive operates on Win7. > > It offers configuration choices to prevent OneDrive > subdirectories being copied to the local machine, but not the other > way around. From an investigation back in March: > > -=-=-=- > Note that > https://support.office.com/en-ie/article/choose-which-onedrive-folders > -to-sy > nc-to-your-computer-98b8b011-8b94-419b-aa95-a14ff2415e85 has a > disconcerting comment -- they speak of not syncing OneDrive content > /to/ the computer, and state """ > If you uncheck a folder you are syncing to your computer, the folder > will be removed from your computer. The folder and its contents will > still be available online. > """ > No mention of how not to sync the computer to OneDrive. > > Just another reason I don't have it installed/running (I think I > may have it on my phone and Nook tablet, but even there I don't think > I have it active). Based upon the online documentation, OneDrive wants > to "be" the primary storage location for a user, with controls over > how much of /its/ data is duplicated locally -- rather than being a > secondary storage for selected local data. > -=-=-=- > > From a week later: > > -=-=-=- > Earlier this week I Googled pages for OneDrive... and the > conclusion I reached is that the only configuration it provides is on > which cloud directories are replicated on the local machine, but not > which local directories are to be on the cloud. > > https://www.dummies.com/computers/operating-systems/windows-10/how-to- > modify > -onedrive-settings-in-windows-10/ > Note the phrasing: "...which OneDrive folders should also live on your PC" > > OneDrive wants to be just that -- a cloud-based "One Drive" > master for all your user data shared among desktop, tablet, phone, > with ability to replicate some directories locally for off-line usage. > > Everything I've seen indicates that if OneDrive is active, it > /will/ redirect your user directory to the cloud. > > https://mywindowshub.com/how-to-enable-or-disable-onedrive-integration > -in-wi > ndows-10/ > Note that the instructions shown here essentially disable all of OneDrive. > Not mentioned: you need to run as admin. > > """ > This policy setting lets you prevent apps and features from working > with files on OneDrive. > If you enable this policy setting: > > * Users can't access OneDrive from the OneDrive app and file picker. > * Windows Store apps can't access OneDrive using the WinRT API. > * OneDrive doesn't appear in the navigation pane in File Explorer. > * OneDrive files aren't kept in sync with the cloud. > * Users can't automatically upload photos and videos from the camera > roll folder. > > If you disable or do not configure this policy setting, apps and > features can work with OneDrive file storage. > """ > One of the other items is "Save documents to OneDrive by default" > which would be the nicer choice (it lets one still access OneDrive manually). > Problem: The requirements state Windows Server 2012 R2, Win 8.1, or > Win RT > 8.1 only. Not of use for Win10. > > "Prevent OneDrive from generating network traffic until the user > signs in to OneDrive" might be usable if one does not use an account > that logs into M$ (ie; one is using a "local log-in" -- I got caught > by that once when I had to register to activate the "free" Visual > Studio; and then had to provide a password on my next login; Windows > had changed my "no password, local" user account to a network login account). > > """ > Enable this setting to prevent the OneDrive sync client (OneDrive.exe) > from generating network traffic (checking for updates, etc.) until the > user signs in to OneDrive or starts syncing files to the local computer. > > If you enable this setting, users must sign in to the OneDrive sync > client on the local computer, or select to sync OneDrive or SharePoint > files on the computer, for the sync client to start automatically. > > If this setting is not enabled, the OneDrive sync client will start > automatically when users sign in to Windows. > > If you enable or disable this setting, do not return the setting to > Not Configured. Doing so will not change the configuration and the > last configured setting will remain in effect. > """ > -=-=-=- > > The only other option I know of is -- to move all your TMG > projects OUT of user home directories into some directory created on > C:\ or other partition... 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