Lee, I agree. When I have an obit or want to include a part of an obit, I just use an Anecdote tag and put the text in the memo section and typically use only the "sort date" field to force the info to show up in the right time frame. In the citation I can provide the source info for the obit (newspaper, date, town, etc.). Dave Ball -----Original Message----- From: Lee Hoffman [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, October 1, 2019 8:08 PM [snip] I understand. Your thiunking and mine are pretty much the same along thesse lines. As I said, I don't have an obit Tag and don't enter full obits at all. I do enter clips of obits where the wording is interesting. [snip] Lee

At 10/1/2019 20:52, John Cardinal wrote >I have to be conscious of watching the "primariness" of Obituary tags. If I >add one before adding a Death tag, I have to be undo TMG automatically >setting it to primary, and if I forget, then add a Death tag, the Death tag >won't be primary. > >Also I'd like to retain the option to mark an Obituary tag as primary in its >own right and thus be able to mark the best Obituary tag as primary when I >have more than one. > >Lastly, I don't audit very often, and avoiding some spurious entries in that >report is less important to me than keeping the Obituary tags in the Other >Group which is their natural home. In general, an Audit report is going to >have some (a lot?) of false positives and while it's not optimal to expand >that set, it's not a big issue for me. I understand. Your thiunking and mine are pretty much the same along thesse lines. As I said, I don't have an obit Tag and don't enter full obits at all. I do enter clips of obits where the wording is interesting. Mostly, I consider obits to be Sources rather than something to be entered into a Tag. So, most of an obit is entered into a number of Tags as dates, places, and (at most) a few word to possibly a couple or so sentences in the Tag Memo. In some cases (more often for the latter cases), the Tag Sentence has to be edited to make it produce what I want gramactically and to make it fit well with other parts of the narrative. While most of this thread pertains to obits, I treat other long narratives the same, be it from a 500 page biography or a story in a family letter. I am lucky and have a number of these letters -some of which are quite long. Mainly, I just feel that including a full obit or other narrative in a Tag is redundant and boring. Lee

Lee Hoffman wrote: > As I said, I don't see a problem with having obits and > custom Tags in the Death/Burial Tag Groups if the are > non-Primary. Lee, I will admit that my desire to use the database relatively strictly as it was intended is a key factor for me even though in this case there may not be serious consequences to doing otherwise. There are some negatives, however. I have to be conscious of watching the "primariness" of Obituary tags. If I add one before adding a Death tag, I have to be undo TMG automatically setting it to primary, and if I forget, then add a Death tag, the Death tag won't be primary. Also I'd like to retain the option to mark an Obituary tag as primary in its own right and thus be able to mark the best Obituary tag as primary when I have more than one. Lastly, I don't audit very often, and avoiding some spurious entries in that report is less important to me than keeping the Obituary tags in the Other Group which is their natural home. In general, an Audit report is going to have some (a lot?) of false positives and while it's not optimal to expand that set, it's not a big issue for me. John

John I won't comment on the OneDrive bits as others have done that already. As to alternatives, several of our TMG Sydney User Group switched to *The Family Historian* as it will directly import TMG data. Customised Tags are lumped together and need special follow up, but there is lots to like about the program. All options and actions are not fully on screen and some "exploration" of the various tabs, windows etc is required. Like TMG, many users have written reports, filters etc. which they are willing to share, and these are available on the web site. SEE:    http://www.family-historian.co.uk/ For a TFH video tour, see: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMVEvxC4itM Under development at present, is a program which will ultimately replace TMG and do lots more.  As it is being created on a shoe-string as a non-commercial piece of software by a small team of volunteers, it will be some time before it is released. That program is Human Resource Environment (HRE), and the team's great need at present is for a programmer. SEE: https://historyresearchenvironment.org/ Hope this raises a few thoughts! *Bruce Fairhall* On 02-Oct.-19 3:45 am, [email protected] wrote: > I am a long-time user of TMG but have not been able to get it to work on a > new Windows 10 computer that I purchased a couple of months ago. I think > the problem is associated with OneDrive. In any event posts to this list as > well as the Wholly Genes forum have not elicited a fix for my problem. I am > now considering switching to another genealogy program as a last resort. > Can anyone recommend a good program that would result in minimal data loss > in importing from TMG? > > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community >

Jim There are very few Options in the Audit Report configuration, as you noted, but in my case it DID find some duplicates. That may not be the intention of that particular report but in any case it is at least another way to achieve your goal. *Bruce Fairhall* On 02-Oct.-19 12:48 am, Jim Slade wrote: > Bruce & Lee, thank you for your responses. > > Bruce, Find Duplicates tool has no way to output to anything but > screen as far as I can tell. > > I do not see any way to configure Audit report to find Duplicates. Is > there a method that will? > > Summary: The Find Duplicates tool seems worthless as it pays no > attention to the filter settings. My results finds many "duplicate > candidates" where the given & surnames are both completely different > than each other and it has nothing to do with primary names. > > On Mon, Sep 30, 2019 at 8:12 PM Bruce W Fairhall <[email protected]> wrote: >> Jim >> >> The TMG Audit report will possibly identify some duplicates, but >> unfortunately it throws up lots of other "red herrings" like every lady >> who is recorded as having more than 12 children etc. >> >> One advantage over the Duplicates option is that you can output the >> report to Word, and then put it into 2 columns to save paper when >> printing. I also found that setting output to 12pt Arial gave a >> reasonable size text for checking. >> >> *Bruce Fairhall* >> >> >> On 01-Oct.-19 7:20 am, Jim Slade wrote: >>> I have no success trying to use Tool > Check for Duplicate People to >>> find identical people in the database. Occasionally, working a One >>> Name Study, I will unintentionally enter same family twice, so their >>> info is identical and should be found with this tool. >>> >>> I configured a filter setting as restrictive as I can, but results >>> always find matches with different surnames, or one of them without a >>> surname, even thought the filter specifically set to NOT show those as >>> matches. This project only has one dataset, so wrong dataset is not >>> a problem. I am using TMGv9.05 >>> >>> Anyone see something wrong with this filter? >>> or know how to write a more restrictive filter? >>> I would appreciate any suggestions. >>> Jim >>> >>> My Filter settings are as follws: >>> Configuration: Exact Match >>> Summary: Disqualifying pairs all 3 checked >>> Other: Circa means +/- 5 yrs >>> Bef/after means +/- 10 years >>> Update progress every 5% >>> Stop after: 50 duplicates >>> Surnames: must have identical spelling CHECKED >>> Match if either surname is unknow: NOT CHECKED >>> Given: must have identical spelling CHECKED >>> Match if either surname is unknow: NOT CHECKED >>> Birth: Years are with 2 years >>> Death: not evaluated >>> Parents: mothers & fathers have identical spelling CHECKED >>> match if either parents given name unknown UNCHECKED >>> Evaluate first name only (i.e., no middle name) CHECKED >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >>> Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] >>> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >>> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >>> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community >

At 10/1/2019 13:45, [email protected] wrote >I am a long-time user of TMG but have not been able to get it to work on a >new Windows 10 computer that I purchased a couple of months ago. I think >the problem is associated with OneDrive. In any event posts to this list as >well as the Wholly Genes forum have not elicited a fix for my problem. I am >now considering switching to another genealogy program as a last resort. As others have said, you are probably correct in that the problem is OneDrive (or any other Cloud software). I have never used OneDrive. In any case, like most Cloud programs, I feel sure that it coulc be configured to not be used with certain directories/folders. You might check this IF you want to continue OneDrive or whatever Cloud program. Lee

At 10/1/2019 13:42, Dick Martin wrote >Thanks, Lee. As you may have seen, I'm taking John Cardinal's advice to >leave my obit tags as they are. Thanks for taking the time to reply while >John's advice was "in flight". As I said, I don't see a problem with having obits and custom Tags in the Death/Burial Tag Groups if the are non-Primary. Having said that, I don't use such custom Tags regardless of the Tag Group for long textual data. Instead, I customize the entry depending on the Tag Type and the Tag Sentence and enter sentences/clauses/phrases that are interesting in the way it reads. An example is my three great grandfathers will in which he noted that he was not leaving anything to certain children because he had already given then enough to keep them comfortable if they took care and too much if they didn't. While this would go in a standard Will Tag, i use the same principle in all my Tags and more or less summarize everything unless there is need or the wording is especially interesting. Lee

I have used Windows 10 since it was 1st offered, no problems with TMG 9.5. I use One Drive but only for my OneNote, nothing else, so I have not had any problems with TMG and One Drive. I would never consider switching. On Wholly Genes forum if you type OneDrive as 1 word lots of post come up in search. When I run a search on the TMG mailing list using OneDrive search lots come up also. I hope you get it worked out! Cordially, DJH > On October 1, 2019 at 1:45 PM [email protected] wrote: > > > I am a long-time user of TMG but have not been able to get it to work on a > new Windows 10 computer that I purchased a couple of months ago. I think > the problem is associated with OneDrive. In any event posts to this list as > well as the Wholly Genes forum have not elicited a fix for my problem. I am > now considering switching to another genealogy program as a last resort. > Can anyone recommend a good program that would result in minimal data loss > in importing from TMG? > > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Jan, I think I remember that program - by Mike Daugherty. It was on GENMatcher (not GEDMatcher). The only other programs from MudCreek are the two GENViewer programs I mentioned. v1 of GENViewer reads a TMG project directly (as does GENMatcher) but for v2 of GENViewer (which I use more than v1 these days) requires exporting the TMG project to a GEDCOM file. Looking forward to John's new program to replace that *slow* TMG export process! John On Tue, Oct 01, 2019 at 04:15:52PM -0400, Janis Rodriguez via TMG wrote: > If you are a RUG member, there was a program done by Mike D... about how to use GEDMatcher. He virtually wrote a user manual. Looked like a great program. He did the same for another MudCreek program, don’t recall the name right now and just on phone. > > Jan Rodriguez > VP Arlington RUG > Rootsuser.org > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Oct 1, 2019, at 4:06 PM, John Cordes <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >  Jim, > > > > Have you ever tried Luc Comeau's GenMatcher program for finding > > duplicates? The site is here: > > http://www.mudcreeksoftware.com/ > > > > It says there that GenMatcher reads TMG files up to v7, but in > > fact it works fine on my TMG v9.05. > > > > I have had the program for a very long time, but never did use > > it a whole lot (I do use both versions 1 and 2 of the companion > > program GenViewer a *lot*). However, whenever I did run GenMatcher > > I was always impressed by its capabilities. I think I found it > > considerably better than TMG's built-in utility. > > > > There is a trial version of GenMatcher available for download > > from the MudCreek site. > > > > John > > > > > >> On Tue, Oct 01, 2019 at 09:48:55AM -0500, Jim Slade wrote: > >> Bruce & Lee, thank you for your responses. > >> > >> Bruce, Find Duplicates tool has no way to output to anything but > >> screen as far as I can tell. > >> > >> I do not see any way to configure Audit report to find Duplicates. Is > >> there a method that will? > >> > >> Summary: The Find Duplicates tool seems worthless as it pays no > >> attention to the filter settings. My results finds many "duplicate > >> candidates" where the given & surnames are both completely different > >> than each other and it has nothing to do with primary names. > >> > >>> On Mon, Sep 30, 2019 at 8:12 PM Bruce W Fairhall <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> > >>> Jim > >>> > >>> The TMG Audit report will possibly identify some duplicates, but > >>> unfortunately it throws up lots of other "red herrings" like every lady > >>> who is recorded as having more than 12 children etc. > >>> > >>> One advantage over the Duplicates option is that you can output the > >>> report to Word, and then put it into 2 columns to save paper when > >>> printing. I also found that setting output to 12pt Arial gave a > >>> reasonable size text for checking. > >>> > >>> *Bruce Fairhall* > >>> > >>> > >>> On 01-Oct.-19 7:20 am, Jim Slade wrote: > >>>> I have no success trying to use Tool > Check for Duplicate People to > >>>> find identical people in the database. Occasionally, working a One > >>>> Name Study, I will unintentionally enter same family twice, so their > >>>> info is identical and should be found with this tool. > >>>> > >>>> I configured a filter setting as restrictive as I can, but results > >>>> always find matches with different surnames, or one of them without a > >>>> surname, even thought the filter specifically set to NOT show those as > >>>> matches. This project only has one dataset, so wrong dataset is not > >>>> a problem. I am using TMGv9.05 > >>>> > >>>> Anyone see something wrong with this filter? > >>>> or know how to write a more restrictive filter? > >>>> I would appreciate any suggestions. > >>>> Jim > >>>> > >>>> My Filter settings are as follws: > >>>> Configuration: Exact Match > >>>> Summary: Disqualifying pairs all 3 checked > >>>> Other: Circa means +/- 5 yrs > >>>> Bef/after means +/- 10 years > >>>> Update progress every 5% > >>>> Stop after: 50 duplicates > >>>> Surnames: must have identical spelling CHECKED > >>>> Match if either surname is unknow: NOT CHECKED > >>>> Given: must have identical spelling CHECKED > >>>> Match if either surname is unknow: NOT CHECKED > >>>> Birth: Years are with 2 years > >>>> Death: not evaluated > >>>> Parents: mothers & fathers have identical spelling CHECKED > >>>> match if either parents given name unknown UNCHECKED > >>>> Evaluate first name only (i.e., no middle name) CHECKED

Thanks, John. Well, you could put development of an audit program on your "to-do someday/maybe/perhaps list". I am looking forward to your TMG-to-gedcom program. A gedcom audit tool would accompany that nicely! On Tue, Oct 1, 2019 at 2:50 PM John Cardinal <[email protected]> wrote: > Dick Martin wrote: > > John, although I don't see much configurability in the > > audit report especially in this regard > > John, > > Yeah, I looked, too, and I didn't find any way to customize TMG's Audit > report. That's a shame because it means the Audit report will include > messages about "event after death" conditions that are not errors. I > thought > there was a way to do it, but I must be thinking of something else. > > Perhaps I'll write an audit report program, though I think there are > programs that will audit a GEDCOM file, so maybe I should leave that off my > to-do list. > > John > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

If you are a RUG member, there was a program done by Mike D... about how to use GEDMatcher. He virtually wrote a user manual. Looked like a great program. He did the same for another MudCreek program, don’t recall the name right now and just on phone. Jan Rodriguez VP Arlington RUG Rootsuser.org Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 1, 2019, at 4:06 PM, John Cordes <[email protected]> wrote: > >  Jim, > > Have you ever tried Luc Comeau's GenMatcher program for finding > duplicates? The site is here: > http://www.mudcreeksoftware.com/ > > It says there that GenMatcher reads TMG files up to v7, but in > fact it works fine on my TMG v9.05. > > I have had the program for a very long time, but never did use > it a whole lot (I do use both versions 1 and 2 of the companion > program GenViewer a *lot*). However, whenever I did run GenMatcher > I was always impressed by its capabilities. I think I found it > considerably better than TMG's built-in utility. > > There is a trial version of GenMatcher available for download > from the MudCreek site. > > John > > >> On Tue, Oct 01, 2019 at 09:48:55AM -0500, Jim Slade wrote: >> Bruce & Lee, thank you for your responses. >> >> Bruce, Find Duplicates tool has no way to output to anything but >> screen as far as I can tell. >> >> I do not see any way to configure Audit report to find Duplicates. Is >> there a method that will? >> >> Summary: The Find Duplicates tool seems worthless as it pays no >> attention to the filter settings. My results finds many "duplicate >> candidates" where the given & surnames are both completely different >> than each other and it has nothing to do with primary names. >> >>> On Mon, Sep 30, 2019 at 8:12 PM Bruce W Fairhall <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Jim >>> >>> The TMG Audit report will possibly identify some duplicates, but >>> unfortunately it throws up lots of other "red herrings" like every lady >>> who is recorded as having more than 12 children etc. >>> >>> One advantage over the Duplicates option is that you can output the >>> report to Word, and then put it into 2 columns to save paper when >>> printing. I also found that setting output to 12pt Arial gave a >>> reasonable size text for checking. >>> >>> *Bruce Fairhall* >>> >>> >>> On 01-Oct.-19 7:20 am, Jim Slade wrote: >>>> I have no success trying to use Tool > Check for Duplicate People to >>>> find identical people in the database. Occasionally, working a One >>>> Name Study, I will unintentionally enter same family twice, so their >>>> info is identical and should be found with this tool. >>>> >>>> I configured a filter setting as restrictive as I can, but results >>>> always find matches with different surnames, or one of them without a >>>> surname, even thought the filter specifically set to NOT show those as >>>> matches. This project only has one dataset, so wrong dataset is not >>>> a problem. I am using TMGv9.05 >>>> >>>> Anyone see something wrong with this filter? >>>> or know how to write a more restrictive filter? >>>> I would appreciate any suggestions. >>>> Jim >>>> >>>> My Filter settings are as follws: >>>> Configuration: Exact Match >>>> Summary: Disqualifying pairs all 3 checked >>>> Other: Circa means +/- 5 yrs >>>> Bef/after means +/- 10 years >>>> Update progress every 5% >>>> Stop after: 50 duplicates >>>> Surnames: must have identical spelling CHECKED >>>> Match if either surname is unknow: NOT CHECKED >>>> Given: must have identical spelling CHECKED >>>> Match if either surname is unknow: NOT CHECKED >>>> Birth: Years are with 2 years >>>> Death: not evaluated >>>> Parents: mothers & fathers have identical spelling CHECKED >>>> match if either parents given name unknown UNCHECKED >>>> Evaluate first name only (i.e., no middle name) CHECKED >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >>>> Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] >>>> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >>>> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >>>> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >>> Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] >>> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >>> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >>> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Jim, Have you ever tried Luc Comeau's GenMatcher program for finding duplicates? The site is here: http://www.mudcreeksoftware.com/ It says there that GenMatcher reads TMG files up to v7, but in fact it works fine on my TMG v9.05. I have had the program for a very long time, but never did use it a whole lot (I do use both versions 1 and 2 of the companion program GenViewer a *lot*). However, whenever I did run GenMatcher I was always impressed by its capabilities. I think I found it considerably better than TMG's built-in utility. There is a trial version of GenMatcher available for download from the MudCreek site. John On Tue, Oct 01, 2019 at 09:48:55AM -0500, Jim Slade wrote: > Bruce & Lee, thank you for your responses. > > Bruce, Find Duplicates tool has no way to output to anything but > screen as far as I can tell. > > I do not see any way to configure Audit report to find Duplicates. Is > there a method that will? > > Summary: The Find Duplicates tool seems worthless as it pays no > attention to the filter settings. My results finds many "duplicate > candidates" where the given & surnames are both completely different > than each other and it has nothing to do with primary names. > > On Mon, Sep 30, 2019 at 8:12 PM Bruce W Fairhall <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Jim > > > > The TMG Audit report will possibly identify some duplicates, but > > unfortunately it throws up lots of other "red herrings" like every lady > > who is recorded as having more than 12 children etc. > > > > One advantage over the Duplicates option is that you can output the > > report to Word, and then put it into 2 columns to save paper when > > printing. I also found that setting output to 12pt Arial gave a > > reasonable size text for checking. > > > > *Bruce Fairhall* > > > > > > On 01-Oct.-19 7:20 am, Jim Slade wrote: > > > I have no success trying to use Tool > Check for Duplicate People to > > > find identical people in the database. Occasionally, working a One > > > Name Study, I will unintentionally enter same family twice, so their > > > info is identical and should be found with this tool. > > > > > > I configured a filter setting as restrictive as I can, but results > > > always find matches with different surnames, or one of them without a > > > surname, even thought the filter specifically set to NOT show those as > > > matches. This project only has one dataset, so wrong dataset is not > > > a problem. I am using TMGv9.05 > > > > > > Anyone see something wrong with this filter? > > > or know how to write a more restrictive filter? > > > I would appreciate any suggestions. > > > Jim > > > > > > My Filter settings are as follws: > > > Configuration: Exact Match > > > Summary: Disqualifying pairs all 3 checked > > > Other: Circa means +/- 5 yrs > > > Bef/after means +/- 10 years > > > Update progress every 5% > > > Stop after: 50 duplicates > > > Surnames: must have identical spelling CHECKED > > > Match if either surname is unknow: NOT CHECKED > > > Given: must have identical spelling CHECKED > > > Match if either surname is unknow: NOT CHECKED > > > Birth: Years are with 2 years > > > Death: not evaluated > > > Parents: mothers & fathers have identical spelling CHECKED > > > match if either parents given name unknown UNCHECKED > > > Evaluate first name only (i.e., no middle name) CHECKED > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Dick Martin wrote: > John, although I don't see much configurability in the > audit report especially in this regard John, Yeah, I looked, too, and I didn't find any way to customize TMG's Audit report. That's a shame because it means the Audit report will include messages about "event after death" conditions that are not errors. I thought there was a way to do it, but I must be thinking of something else. Perhaps I'll write an audit report program, though I think there are programs that will audit a GEDCOM file, so maybe I should leave that off my to-do list. John

John, I'm also in agreement for most of the comments relating to OneDrive: 1. TMG data files should never be stored or used from the OneDrive folder. They need to be in a static folder such as C:\user\documents\TMG Data etc. 2. OneDrive is a great place to put those backup files (which I do all the time). 3. I've also had no issues with TMG on Windows 10, as longer as you abide by #1 and #2 above. 4. I always run TMG as an administrator as well. I have it pinned to my taskbar, hold the shift key and left click on the icon and choose "Run as administrator." Those items should keep TMG working for quite sometime as it's mostly a self-contained application. Thanks, Kevin -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, 1 October, 2019 1:46 PM To: 'The Master Genealogist (TMG) Rootsweb Email List' <[email protected]> Subject: [TMG] TMG Alternative I am a long-time user of TMG but have not been able to get it to work on a new Windows 10 computer that I purchased a couple of months ago. I think the problem is associated with OneDrive. In any event posts to this list as well as the Wholly Genes forum have not elicited a fix for my problem. I am now considering switching to another genealogy program as a last resort. Can anyone recommend a good program that would result in minimal data loss in importing from TMG? _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

I have used Windows 10 for a while now. No problems with one Drive. Not even sure if it is still on my computer any more. Teresa Elliott > On Oct 1, 2019, at 1:42 PM, John Cardinal <[email protected]> wrote: > > I just switched to Win10 and I am not having any problems with TMG. However, > I have never kept my TMG projects under the Documents folder. I have them > under "c:\TMG Projects". > > For the first week or so after switching to Win10, I had OneDrive running. I > have since uninstalled it. It was not interfering with TMG, bit it was > annoying for other reasons and so I got rid of it. I've read online that it > may re-appear after a Windows Update. If so, I'll kill it again, and keep > killing it, until Windows Update gives up and accepts my decision about what > software I want on my PC. > > John > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

I just switched to Win10 and I am not having any problems with TMG. However, I have never kept my TMG projects under the Documents folder. I have them under "c:\TMG Projects". For the first week or so after switching to Win10, I had OneDrive running. I have since uninstalled it. It was not interfering with TMG, bit it was annoying for other reasons and so I got rid of it. I've read online that it may re-appear after a Windows Update. If so, I'll kill it again, and keep killing it, until Windows Update gives up and accepts my decision about what software I want on my PC. John

Win 10 Pro; 64-bit and TMG 9.05 I began experimenting with OneDrive a few months ago. I have certainly encountered problems, and am still not sure I'm going to keep using it. However, I have had no problems with TMG due to OneDrive. This is probably because my TMG is installed to C:\TMG and does not use any folders which are being watched by OneDrive. I do have a nightly job which copies my .sqz files to a OneDrive managed folder. All this seems to work just fine. John On Tue, Oct 01, 2019 at 02:24:09PM -0400, Bruce & Lydia wrote: > My alternative: > > TMG is too valuable to give up so I decided I could live without > OneDrive and deleted it through "Remove Programs". > > Both TMG and Windows seem to work fine without it. > > B Phalen > > On 10/1/2019 2:02 PM, James Holcombe wrote: >> Check the archives for the OneDrive problem then wait for JohnCardinal’s TMG2GEDCOM program and you will be able to import to the PC program or online database of your choice. >> >> Jim >> >> >> iSent from my iPhone; iTypos, iApologize. >> >>> On Oct 1, 2019, at 1:46 PM, [email protected] wrote: >>> >>> I am a long-time user of TMG but have not been able to get it to work on a >>> new Windows 10 computer that I purchased a couple of months ago. I think >>> the problem is associated with OneDrive. In any event posts to this list as >>> well as the Wholly Genes forum have not elicited a fix for my problem. I am >>> now considering switching to another genealogy program as a last resort. >>> Can anyone recommend a good program that would result in minimal data loss >>> in importing from TMG?

At 11:45 AM 10/1/2019 -0600, <[email protected]> wrote: >I am a long-time user of TMG but have not been able to get it to work on >a >new Windows 10 computer that I purchased a couple of months ago. I >think >the problem is associated with OneDrive. In any event posts to this list >as >well as the Wholly Genes forum have not elicited a fix for my problem. >I am >now considering switching to another genealogy program as a last resort. >Can anyone recommend a good program that would result in minimal data >loss >in importing from TMG? NO database oriented program will really be safe with things like OneDrive (or any other real-time sync/backup application). Programs that use a single file for all data may be somewhat safer -- but may also be limited to how much data they can store. For example, programs using M$ JET database engine (more commonly known as "Access"/MDB) will be limited to ~2GB maximum. In contrast, the FoxPro/DBase style used by TMG can get 2GB per TABLE (actually more, since one has the fixed width data fields [dates, places, names] in one file, and free form memo data is in a second file -- each of which can have 2G (while NTFS supports larger files, the antiquity of VFP probably doesn't take advantage of it). There have been a number of threads regarding OneDrive -- which operates differently on Win10 than it did on Win7. On Win7, one could configure which local directories were to be synced to the cloud. Win10 reverses this, one can specify which CLOUD directories are NOT to be synced to the local machine. From one of my posts in early September (and quoting stuff from back in March). -------------------- -=-=-=- Note that https://support.office.com/en-ie/article/choose-which-onedrive-folders-to-sync-to-your-computer-98b8b011-8b94-419b-aa95-a14ff2415e85 has a disconcerting comment -- they speak of not syncing OneDrive content /to/ the computer, and state """ If you uncheck a folder you are syncing to your computer, the folder will be removed from your computer. The folder and its contents will still be available online. """ No mention of how not to sync the computer to OneDrive. Just another reason I don't have it installed/running (I think I may have it on my phone and Nook tablet, but even there I don't think I have it active). Based upon the online documentation, OneDrive wants to "be" the primary storage location for a user, with controls over how much of /its/ data is duplicated locally -- rather than being a secondary storage for selected local data. -=-=-=- From a week later: -=-=-=- Earlier this week I Googled pages for OneDrive... and the conclusion I reached is that the only configuration it provides is on which cloud directories are replicated on the local machine, but not which local directories are to be on the cloud. https://www.dummies.com/computers/operating-systems/windows-10/how-to-modify-onedrive-settings-in-windows-10/ Note the phrasing: "...which OneDrive folders should also live on your PC" OneDrive wants to be just that -- a cloud-based "One Drive" master for all your user data shared among desktop, tablet, phone, with ability to replicate some directories locally for off-line usage. Everything I've seen indicates that if OneDrive is active, it /will/ redirect your user directory to the cloud. https://mywindowshub.com/how-to-enable-or-disable-onedrive-integration-in-windows-10/ Note that the instructions shown here essentially disable all of OneDrive. Not mentioned: you need to run as admin. """ This policy setting lets you prevent apps and features from working with files on OneDrive. If you enable this policy setting: * Users can't access OneDrive from the OneDrive app and file picker. * Windows Store apps can't access OneDrive using the WinRT API. * OneDrive doesn't appear in the navigation pane in File Explorer. * OneDrive files aren't kept in sync with the cloud. * Users can't automatically upload photos and videos from the camera roll folder. If you disable or do not configure this policy setting, apps and features can work with OneDrive file storage. """ One of the other items is "Save documents to OneDrive by default" which would be the nicer choice (it lets one still access OneDrive manually). Problem: The requirements state Windows Server 2012 R2, Win 8.1, or Win RT 8.1 only. Not of use for Win10. "Prevent OneDrive from generating network traffic until the user signs in to OneDrive" might be usable if one does not use an account that logs into M$ (ie; one is using a "local log-in" -- I got caught by that once when I had to register to activate the "free" Visual Studio; and then had to provide a password on my next login; Windows had changed my "no password, local" user account to a network login account). """ Enable this setting to prevent the OneDrive sync client (OneDrive.exe) from generating network traffic (checking for updates, etc.) until the user signs in to OneDrive or starts syncing files to the local computer. If you enable this setting, users must sign in to the OneDrive sync client on the local computer, or select to sync OneDrive or SharePoint files on the computer, for the sync client to start automatically. If this setting is not enabled, the OneDrive sync client will start automatically when users sign in to Windows. If you enable or disable this setting, do not return the setting to Not Configured. Doing so will not change the configuration and the last configured setting will remain in effect. """ -=-=-=- The only other option I know of is -- to move all your TMG projects OUT of user home directories into some directory created on C:\ or other partition... Where the data tends to become globally readable by any account on the computer unless one does tedious operations to change access permissions. ------------------ -- [email protected] Dennis Lee Bieber http://genealogy.microdiversity.freeddns.org/

My alternative: TMG is too valuable to give up so I decided I could live without OneDrive and deleted it through "Remove Programs". Both TMG and Windows seem to work fine without it. B Phalen On 10/1/2019 2:02 PM, James Holcombe wrote: > Check the archives for the OneDrive problem then wait for JohnCardinal’s TMG2GEDCOM program and you will be able to import to the PC program or online database of your choice. > > Jim > > > iSent from my iPhone; iTypos, iApologize. > >> On Oct 1, 2019, at 1:46 PM, [email protected] wrote: >> >> I am a long-time user of TMG but have not been able to get it to work on a >> new Windows 10 computer that I purchased a couple of months ago. I think >> the problem is associated with OneDrive. In any event posts to this list as >> well as the Wholly Genes forum have not elicited a fix for my problem. I am >> now considering switching to another genealogy program as a last resort. >> Can anyone recommend a good program that would result in minimal data loss >> in importing from TMG? >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Check the archives for the OneDrive problem then wait for JohnCardinal’s TMG2GEDCOM program and you will be able to import to the PC program or online database of your choice. Jim iSent from my iPhone; iTypos, iApologize. > On Oct 1, 2019, at 1:46 PM, [email protected] wrote: > > I am a long-time user of TMG but have not been able to get it to work on a > new Windows 10 computer that I purchased a couple of months ago. I think > the problem is associated with OneDrive. In any event posts to this list as > well as the Wholly Genes forum have not elicited a fix for my problem. I am > now considering switching to another genealogy program as a last resort. > Can anyone recommend a good program that would result in minimal data loss > in importing from TMG? > > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community