At 10/2/2019 05:19, Erik Hov wrote >I have windows 7 ,and just googled and found out that they are going to end >sending out updates for Windows 7 next year ,and I would then not be able to >use Win 7 for internet any more. >I do have TMG 9.05 on Windows 7 ,and it works fine there. >I really don`t want Windows 10 ,but now I might be forced to upgrade even if >I don`t want it ,I now wonder if TMG 9.05 will work there?. >I know that older versions than at least TMG 7 doesn`t work on Windows 7 >,but would f.ex TMG 4 work on Windows 10 at all in any way without having a >virtual harddisk? (TMG 4 works on XP but not Windows 7). Of course not >necessary having TMG 4 on Windows 10 if possible ,but just want to have an >answer to it. >I assume tmg utility will work though ,since it is working well on Windows >7. Basically, anything that runs on Win7 will run on Win10. The question is really what version of Win10 -- 32-bit or 64-bit. Early software (e.g., TMG v4x) will not run on 64-bit but will run on 32-bit. Other than this difference between 32- & 64-bit is that memory (RAM) is limited for 32-bit to 4GB while 64-bit Win10 is limited to 128G or 528GB depending on whethe it is Win10 Home or Pro. As for security of Win7, I would agree that following Microsoft's end of Win7 updates, there will be greater risks for Internet usage. However, that greater risk will not nccur at once.and with reasonable precautions will take some time. The number of Win7 machines is already relatively low and after the end of Microsoft support will be even lower. This will also reduce to some extent the potential victums that hackers will have. So, I would not worry too much about upgrading although it may (or may not) be more advantageous sooner than later. Lee

At 02:39 PM 10/2/2019 +0200, Erik Hov wrote: >Thanks. >Good to know that TMG 9.05 and utility works on Windows 10. What about >older >versions such as TMG 4? (that version doesn`t work on Windows 7 either.) > TMG v4 surely contains 16-bit code (the report writer was the last module to be converted to 32-bit, and that was TMG 7 or 8). The odds are good that you are running a 64-bit OS. 32-bit Windows can run 16-bit code 64-bit Windows can run 32-bit code 64-bit Windows CAN NOT run 16-bit code -- [email protected] Dennis Lee Bieber http://genealogy.microdiversity.freeddns.org/

I admit that all I'm doing with DNA matches in TMG is adding a tag to the cousin matches stating that they DNA-tested at a given company (and if they did Y or MtDNA). However, you might want to look for ideas at the way that Wikitree wishes users to document DNA relationships, which involves stating that the parent-child relationship was proven by DNA tests done by the following people. (See here for details: https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Help:DNA_Confirmation). Karla Huebner calypsospots AT gmail.com On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 11:02 AM Ruth Ann Greene <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi, > > I am trying to figure out how I want to document DNA matches in my TMG > database. I am thinking that each match or group of similar matches should > be a source that is then attached to the relationships back to the common > ancestor. The source could also then include editorial regarding the match. > > I am curious as to how other people are doing this. > > Thanks, > Ruth Ann Greene > > > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

At 10/2/2019 08:46, Dick Martin wrote >Obits sometimes give interesting background that sometimes are best read in >context of the obit. It may well be that no one ever opens the obit memo to >read the text but, if they do, it will be there as though they had >encountered the obit in their own research. I agree. In these case, I copy/paste only the interesting parts and include enough paraphrasing text of my own to give any needed context. Lee

Hi, I am trying to figure out how I want to document DNA matches in my TMG database. I am thinking that each match or group of similar matches should be a source that is then attached to the relationships back to the common ancestor. The source could also then include editorial regarding the match. I am curious as to how other people are doing this. Thanks, Ruth Ann Greene

DOSBox 0.74 does run on a Win 10 64-bit machine. ------ Thanks!. Very good to know that. Then I will be able to run my old DOS genealogyprogram on it hopefully?! Acrobat reader version 10 which came 2010 is one of the programs that works in Windows 7 64 bit but would not work in Windows 10 I think....anyone who can tell me more about that? Note to Karla: I believe what Erik meant, when he spoke of not accessing the internet any more with his Win 7 computer, was not that it wouldn't work, but that he was too concerned about security issues (after support ceases) to do so. ------ Exactly right!!. If it hadn`t been for the security issues with not having support on W7 anymore from january ,I would have kept on with W7 for (nearly) all eternity....

Erik, there could be various reasons you might want to leave Windows 7 in favor of Windows 10, but I don't know why you think you would no longer have internet access after Microsoft stops supporting 7. -------- I only leave Windows 7 if am forced to. But it is right ,I will still have internet access with Windows 7 after Microsoft stops supporting 7 ,but using it after the support ends will expose the system for threats and other bad things from the internet ,so it is not so secure any more even if I have an antivirusprogram. If Erik is right that he will lose internet access, could someone please explain that? Both of my laptops use Windows 7, and while eventually I'll have to get one with a newer operating system, I have been quite content to stick with 7. This is despite the fact that after I installed a new hard drive in this one several years ago, Windows has insisted that I don't have an authorized version, and has gradually removed a few functions. ---------- I will not lose the internet access even if chosing to continuing using W7 after they stop supporting it. I am also insisting on keeping on with W7 as long I can. I am not too fond of going on with a new operating system such as Windows 10 because some of my older programs can`t manage W10.

Thanks, Erik and John. The computer I'm typing on is from 2012 and 64bit, while the other laptop is later and I had the option of either Windows 7 or 10 when I bought it. From what the two of you are saying, I don't think I have too much to worry about. Karla Huebner calypsospots AT gmail.com On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 10:24 AM Erik Hov <[email protected]> wrote: > I think that depends on the computer. My Win 7 PC was designed for Win 10, > and I expect it can be upgraded to that successfully. If yours is older, > perhaps not. > -------- > I think mine are from 2013 or 2014 ,and I didn`t want to upgrade when the > advertisement came onto it to get me upgrade to Windows 10. > > Because it can access only 4GB of memory, which I think most people now > find > inadequate. But if that doesn't matter to you maybe you should consider it. > ------- > > On Windows 7 64 bit ,I have 24 GB of memory ,and that`s OK for me ,so I > don`t think I should go back to 32 bit ,allthough that would let me run > older programs etc. > Would been great if DosBox 074.0.0 works on Windows 10 64 bit. > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

Erik, DOSBox 0.74 does run on a Win 10 64-bit machine. Note to Karla: I believe what Erik meant, when he spoke of not accessing the internet any more with his Win 7 computer, was not that it wouldn't work, but that he was too concerned about security issues (after support ceases) to do so. John On Wed, Oct 02, 2019 at 04:23:40PM +0200, Erik Hov wrote: > I think that depends on the computer. My Win 7 PC was designed for Win 10, > and I expect it can be upgraded to that successfully. If yours is older, > perhaps not. > -------- > I think mine are from 2013 or 2014 ,and I didn`t want to upgrade when the > advertisement came onto it to get me upgrade to Windows 10. > > Because it can access only 4GB of memory, which I think most people now find > inadequate. But if that doesn't matter to you maybe you should consider it. > ------- > > On Windows 7 64 bit ,I have 24 GB of memory ,and that`s OK for me ,so I > don`t think I should go back to 32 bit ,allthough that would let me run > older programs etc. > Would been great if DosBox 074.0.0 works on Windows 10 64 bit.

On use of obits (not audits)--and tags generally--it's always interesting to know how people use them and why. Since I publish on the Web using Second Site, and only include a selection of the many tag types there (mainly because I'm including thousands of people, many of whom I don't have much data and don't want too much iffy stuff up), obituaries are one thing I do choose to publish, because while they may contain inaccuracies, they are not all readily available to other researchers and are usually at least somewhat interesting. Incidentally, speaking of the dead, last night I received a very kind letter from a coroner's office thanking me for the fact that my site (in some way) helped verify which nuclear family in a large extended family was the one to contact regarding a deceased transient. The transient wasn't listed on my site, but apparently my site still helped them puzzle out who to contact. It's always nice when my site turns out to have helped someone, even if in a sad circumstance such as this one. Karla Huebner calypsospots AT gmail.com On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 8:47 AM Dick Martin <[email protected]> wrote: > Hmmm. It seems I triggered an interesting discussion by my obit question. > Without meaning to extend it further, I thought I’d add my perspective. In > >

I think that depends on the computer. My Win 7 PC was designed for Win 10, and I expect it can be upgraded to that successfully. If yours is older, perhaps not. -------- I think mine are from 2013 or 2014 ,and I didn`t want to upgrade when the advertisement came onto it to get me upgrade to Windows 10. Because it can access only 4GB of memory, which I think most people now find inadequate. But if that doesn't matter to you maybe you should consider it. ------- On Windows 7 64 bit ,I have 24 GB of memory ,and that`s OK for me ,so I don`t think I should go back to 32 bit ,allthough that would let me run older programs etc. Would been great if DosBox 074.0.0 works on Windows 10 64 bit.

Erik, there could be various reasons you might want to leave Windows 7 in favor of Windows 10, but I don't know why you think you would no longer have internet access after Microsoft stops supporting 7. If Erik is right that he will lose internet access, could someone please explain that? Both of my laptops use Windows 7, and while eventually I'll have to get one with a newer operating system, I have been quite content to stick with 7. This is despite the fact that after I installed a new hard drive in this one several years ago, Windows has insisted that I don't have an authorized version, and has gradually removed a few functions. Karla Huebner calypsospots AT gmail.com On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 5:19 AM Erik Hov <[email protected]> wrote: > Hello. > I have windows 7 ,and just googled and found out that they are going to end > sending out updates for Windows 7 next year ,and I would then not be able > to > use Win 7 for internet any more. > I do have TMG 9.05 on Windows 7 ,and it works fine there. > I really don`t want Windows 10 ,but now I might be forced to upgrade even > if > I don`t want it ,I now wonder if TMG 9.05 will work there?. > I know that older versions than at least TMG 7 doesn`t work on Windows 7 > ,but would f.ex TMG 4 work on Windows 10 at all in any way without having a > virtual harddisk? (TMG 4 works on XP but not Windows 7). Of course not > necessary having TMG 4 on Windows 10 if possible ,but just want to have an > answer to it. > I assume tmg utility will work though ,since it is working well on Windows > 7. > Erik > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

On 10/2/2019 9:12 AM, Erik Hov wrote: > If I understand correctly ,it is said that you shouldn`t install windows 10 > on a computer you have had Windows 7 on before ,so I guess I might need a > new computer if have to go for Windows 10. Erik, I think that depends on the computer. My Win 7 PC was designed for Win 10, and I expect it can be upgraded to that successfully. If yours is older, perhaps not. > You said I wouldn`t > want Windows 10 32 bit ,why shouldn`t I choose that? Because it can access only 4GB of memory, which I think most people now find inadequate. But if that doesn't matter to you maybe you should consider it. Terry Reigel

I believe it actually does. What it (TMG 4) doesn't work on is a 64-bit version of Windows, which most new systems have been for something over 10 years. ------- So if I have had Windows 7 32 bit ,it would have worked ,and will work with Windows 10 32 bit??!.... My Windows 7 is 64 bit ,and TMG 4 doesn`t work there ,but I chose 64 bit because the 64 bit has more memory or work faster than a 32 bit (don`t remember exactly). It appears that Windows 10 was offered in a 32-bit version for those upgrading an old computer with a 32-bit processor. I don't think you can buy a new computer with 32-bit Windows 10, nor would you want to. ------- If I understand correctly ,it is said that you shouldn`t install windows 10 on a computer you have had Windows 7 on before ,so I guess I might need a new computer if have to go for Windows 10. Not the right place to ask about it ,but I also have an old DOS genealogyprogram. I can run it in Windows 7 64 bit using DosBox 0.74.00 ,but does that DosBox version work with Windows 10 64 bit?. You said I wouldn`t want Windows 10 32 bit ,why shouldn`t I choose that? Terry Reigel -----Opprinnelig melding----- Fra: Terry Reigel [mailto:[email protected]] Sendt: 2. oktober 2019 14:53 Til: The Master Genealogist (TMG) Rootsweb Email List <[email protected]>; Erik Hov <[email protected]> Emne: [TMG] Re: TMG on Windows 10? On 10/2/2019 8:39 AM, Erik Hov wrote: > Thanks. > Good to know that TMG 9.05 and utility works on Windows 10. What about > older versions such as TMG 4? (that version doesn`t work on Windows 7 > either.) Erik, I believe it actually does. What it doesn't work on is a 64-bit version of Windows, which most new systems have been for something over 10 years. It appears that Windows 10 was offered in a 32-bit version for those upgrading an old computer with a 32-bit processor. I don't think you can buy a new computer with 32-bit Windows 10, nor would you want to. Terry Reigel _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

On 10/2/2019 8:39 AM, Erik Hov wrote: > Thanks. > Good to know that TMG 9.05 and utility works on Windows 10. What about older > versions such as TMG 4? (that version doesn`t work on Windows 7 either.) Erik, I believe it actually does. What it doesn't work on is a 64-bit version of Windows, which most new systems have been for something over 10 years. It appears that Windows 10 was offered in a 32-bit version for those upgrading an old computer with a 32-bit processor. I don't think you can buy a new computer with 32-bit Windows 10, nor would you want to. Terry Reigel

Hmmm. It seems I triggered an interesting discussion by my obit question. Without meaning to extend it further, I thought I’d add my perspective. In this and lots of other postings, it’s pretty clear that Lee is primarily focused on producing narratives for journal and other reports. I think I’ve seen him mention that such reports are often created for others for whom he’s done research. My interests are rather different. I want to leave my genealogical efforts behind for my children and grandchildren. They are very much attuned to exploring web content than reading reports. Using The Next Generation and Second Site, my TMG data is spun off into web content. Obits sometimes give interesting background that sometimes are best read in context of the obit. It may well be that no one ever opens the obit memo to read the text but, if they do, it will be there as though they had encountered the obit in their own research. I totally understand and admire Lee’s focus. I just have a different purpose in mind. Thanks for the responses and interesting discussion. On Tue, Oct 1, 2019 at 10:15 PM Lee Hoffman <[email protected]> wrote: > At 10/1/2019 20:52, John Cardinal wrote > >I have to be conscious of watching the "primariness" of Obituary tags. If > I > >add one before adding a Death tag, I have to be undo TMG automatically > >setting it to primary, and if I forget, then add a Death tag, the Death > tag > >won't be primary. > > > >Also I'd like to retain the option to mark an Obituary tag as primary in > its > >own right and thus be able to mark the best Obituary tag as primary when I > >have more than one. > > > >Lastly, I don't audit very often, and avoiding some spurious entries in > that > >report is less important to me than keeping the Obituary tags in the Other > >Group which is their natural home. In general, an Audit report is going to > >have some (a lot?) of false positives and while it's not optimal to expand > >that set, it's not a big issue for me. > > I understand. Your thiunking and mine are pretty much the same along > thesse lines. As I said, I don't have an obit Tag and don't enter > full obits at all. I do enter clips of obits where the wording is > interesting. Mostly, I consider obits to be Sources rather than > something to be entered into a Tag. So, most of an obit is entered > into a number of Tags as dates, places, and (at most) a few word to > possibly a couple or so sentences in the Tag Memo. In some cases > (more often for the latter cases), the Tag Sentence has to be edited > to make it produce what I want gramactically and to make it fit well > with other parts of the narrative. > > While most of this thread pertains to obits, I treat other long > narratives the same, be it from a 500 page biography or a story in a > family letter. I am lucky and have a number of these letters -some > of which are quite long. > > Mainly, I just feel that including a full obit or other narrative in > a Tag is redundant and boring. > > Lee > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

Thanks. Good to know that TMG 9.05 and utility works on Windows 10. What about older versions such as TMG 4? (that version doesn`t work on Windows 7 either.) -----Opprinnelig melding----- Fra: ALAN HALE via TMG [mailto:[email protected]] Sendt: 2. oktober 2019 14:28 Til: The Master Genealogist (TMG) Rootsweb Email List <[email protected]> Kopi: ALAN HALE <[email protected]> Emne: [TMG] Re: TMG on Windows 10? Hi I use TMG on an upgraded from windows 7 to windows 10 latest update 1903 and also a an install to 1903 update and I have had no problems running either version - hope this helps Alan On Wednesday, October 2, 2019, 10:19:47 AM GMT+1, Erik Hov <[email protected]> wrote: Hello. I have windows 7 ,and just googled and found out that they are going to end sending out updates for Windows 7 next year ,and I would then not be able to use Win 7 for internet any more. I do have TMG 9.05 on Windows 7 ,and it works fine there. I really don`t want Windows 10 ,but now I might be forced to upgrade even if I don`t want it ,I now wonder if TMG 9.05 will work there?. I know that older versions than at least TMG 7 doesn`t work on Windows 7 ,but would f.ex TMG 4 work on Windows 10 at all in any way without having a virtual harddisk? (TMG 4 works on XP but not Windows 7). Of course not necessary having TMG 4 on Windows 10 if possible ,but just want to have an answer to it. I assume tmg utility will work though ,since it is working well on Windows 7. Erik _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Hi I use TMG on an upgraded from windows 7 to windows 10 latest update 1903 and also a an install to 1903 update and I have had no problems running either version - hope this helps Alan On Wednesday, October 2, 2019, 10:19:47 AM GMT+1, Erik Hov <[email protected]> wrote: Hello. I have windows 7 ,and just googled and found out that they are going to end sending out updates for Windows 7 next year ,and I would then not be able to use Win 7 for internet any more. I do have TMG 9.05 on Windows 7 ,and it works fine there. I really don`t want Windows 10 ,but now I might be forced to upgrade even if I don`t want it ,I now wonder if TMG 9.05 will work there?. I know that older versions than at least TMG 7 doesn`t work on Windows 7 ,but would f.ex TMG 4 work on Windows 10 at all in any way without having a virtual harddisk? (TMG 4 works on XP but not Windows 7). Of course not necessary having TMG 4 on Windows 10 if possible ,but just want to have an answer to it. I assume tmg utility will work though ,since it is working well on Windows 7. Erik _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

There is no problem running TMG 9.05 on Windows 10. Works perfectly fine. The utility also is fine. Constance On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 5:20 AM Erik Hov <[email protected]> wrote: > Hello. > I have windows 7 ,and just googled and found out that they are going to end > sending out updates for Windows 7 next year ,and I would then not be able > to > use Win 7 for internet any more. > I do have TMG 9.05 on Windows 7 ,and it works fine there. > I really don`t want Windows 10 ,but now I might be forced to upgrade even > if > I don`t want it ,I now wonder if TMG 9.05 will work there?. > I know that older versions than at least TMG 7 doesn`t work on Windows 7 > ,but would f.ex TMG 4 work on Windows 10 at all in any way without having a > virtual harddisk? (TMG 4 works on XP but not Windows 7). Of course not > necessary having TMG 4 on Windows 10 if possible ,but just want to have an > answer to it. > I assume tmg utility will work though ,since it is working well on Windows > 7. > Erik > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

Hello. I have windows 7 ,and just googled and found out that they are going to end sending out updates for Windows 7 next year ,and I would then not be able to use Win 7 for internet any more. I do have TMG 9.05 on Windows 7 ,and it works fine there. I really don`t want Windows 10 ,but now I might be forced to upgrade even if I don`t want it ,I now wonder if TMG 9.05 will work there?. I know that older versions than at least TMG 7 doesn`t work on Windows 7 ,but would f.ex TMG 4 work on Windows 10 at all in any way without having a virtual harddisk? (TMG 4 works on XP but not Windows 7). Of course not necessary having TMG 4 on Windows 10 if possible ,but just want to have an answer to it. I assume tmg utility will work though ,since it is working well on Windows 7. Erik