Lee Hoffman wrote: > The question is "when is the end of life for Win7". > I just heard that MicroSoft is going to extend the > Win7 end of life to 2023 -- for a price. The price > will go up each each, of course. Not sure how one > signs up or whatever. Lee, I don't think that option is available to consumers. I think it is reserved for business customers. John

Erik Hov wrote, in part: > OK ,then I should at least quit using Win7 even if it will still > work. That would be entirely safe as long it is not on internet > after Win7 support ends. Erik, No, Win7 will not be _entirely_ safe even if you keep it off the Internet after support ends. There are other ways to introduce a virus, such as by inserting a flash drive. That's a common way to move data to a device that is isolated from the Internet. > I do have a mouse and keyboard and monitor that works with > Windows 7 ,and also an external drive ,which also works with Win7 > ,but would they not work if I get Win10? If so ,why? They will probably work because the device probably has both a Win7 and a Win10 driver available. If the mouse is very old, it might not be compatible with Win10. If you stick with Win7, and then you replace your mouse in a year, the new mouse may or may not be compatible with Win7. It's very likely it will be compatible, but unless the manufacturer explicitly states that it is compatible with Win7, it might not be. Devices need "drivers" to work. Those drivers are the interface between the hardware and the Windows operating system. Drivers often have coding that is specific to a particular version of Windows. So, the same driver that works for Win7 may or may not work for Win10. That's the usual reason why a device will work with one version of Windows but not with another. John

I'm using Acrobat X on Win 10. It's a bit buggy, and some of the integration with Office disappeared when I moved to Office 2016, but it's functional. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ DeAnna Burghart TMG Shortcuts, Variables and Report Cheat Sheets (Word and PDF) http://www.rootsandthreads.com/tmg/ ------ Original Message ------ From: "Erik Hov" <[email protected]> To: "'The Master Genealogist (TMG) Rootsweb Email List'" <[email protected]> Sent: 10/2/2019 12:23:06 PM Subject: [TMG] Re: TMG on Windows 10? ><I have Acrobat Pro X from 2011. Works perfectly in Windows 10. > >Sounds great!. Probably one step further onto decision on what I should go for. >My relative named the version as "Acrobat Standard Version 10". Guess it would be about the same as the one you mentioned above? > >_______________________________________________ >Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] >Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

At 10/2/2019 13:08, John Cardinal wrote >I do not recommend sticking with Win7 after its end of life, mostly because >security updates will stop and that leaves you exposed. The question is "when is the end of life for Win7". I just heard that MicroSoft is going to extend the Win7 end of life to 2023 -- for a price. The price will go up each each, of course. Not sure how one signs up or whatever. Lee

<I have Acrobat Pro X from 2011. Works perfectly in Windows 10. Sounds great!. Probably one step further onto decision on what I should go for. My relative named the version as "Acrobat Standard Version 10". Guess it would be about the same as the one you mentioned above?

I have Acrobat Pro X from 2011. Works perfectly in Windows 10. DWH On Wednesday, October 2, 2019, 03:09:43 p.m. EDT, John Cordes <[email protected]> wrote: Erik, OK, so you were really referring to the commercial "Adobe Acrobat". It is particularly confusing (to those of us, such as you and I, with old versions of some programs) since 'way back' there used to be something called Adobe Acrobat Reader. But nowadays there is no such thing as 'Acrobat Reader' -- it's just 'Adobe Reader'. How do you know your Adobe Acrobat program won't work on Windows 10? Are you going by what Adobe says is supported? I have a truly ancient Adobe Acrobat program, v8.3. Although it's not supposed to work with Windows 10, according to some statements I've seen, it does work. It happens that I rarely use it anymore, but it *does* work. John On Wed, Oct 02, 2019 at 08:59:08PM +0200, Erik Hov wrote: > <Do you really mean to be saying "Acrobat reader"?  Or do you mean "Adobe > Acrobat", which is a <commercial program? The Adobe *Reader* program is free > and certainly works on Win 10. > > A relative told me that "Adobe provides Acrobat reader free of charge to > everyone" ,and that the newest version (also working with Win10) is called > DC. And further that I can`t even buy Acrobat DC anymore since it can only > be used by subscription about $100/year... > The acrobat version 10 ,came in 2010 ,and support ended in 2015. That > version 10 comes with a licence ,but it can`t be used with Windows 10.... _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

<How do you know your Adobe Acrobat program won't work on Windows 10? Are you going by what <Adobe says is supported? Actually yes ,and I haven`t tested Adobe Acrobat and Read version 10 on windows 10 ,but when I reread about it ,it doesn`t say that it can`t be used on Win10 64 bit.....anyone who knows? On Wed, Oct 02, 2019 at 08:59:08PM +0200, Erik Hov wrote: > <Do you really mean to be saying "Acrobat reader"? Or do you mean > "Adobe Acrobat", which is a <commercial program? The Adobe *Reader* > program is free and certainly works on Win 10. > > A relative told me that "Adobe provides Acrobat reader free of charge > to everyone" ,and that the newest version (also working with Win10) is > called DC. And further that I can`t even buy Acrobat DC anymore since > it can only be used by subscription about $100/year... > The acrobat version 10 ,came in 2010 ,and support ended in 2015. That > version 10 comes with a licence ,but it can`t be used with Windows 10.... _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Erik, OK, so you were really referring to the commercial "Adobe Acrobat". It is particularly confusing (to those of us, such as you and I, with old versions of some programs) since 'way back' there used to be something called Adobe Acrobat Reader. But nowadays there is no such thing as 'Acrobat Reader' -- it's just 'Adobe Reader'. How do you know your Adobe Acrobat program won't work on Windows 10? Are you going by what Adobe says is supported? I have a truly ancient Adobe Acrobat program, v8.3. Although it's not supposed to work with Windows 10, according to some statements I've seen, it does work. It happens that I rarely use it anymore, but it *does* work. John On Wed, Oct 02, 2019 at 08:59:08PM +0200, Erik Hov wrote: > <Do you really mean to be saying "Acrobat reader"? Or do you mean "Adobe > Acrobat", which is a <commercial program? The Adobe *Reader* program is free > and certainly works on Win 10. > > A relative told me that "Adobe provides Acrobat reader free of charge to > everyone" ,and that the newest version (also working with Win10) is called > DC. And further that I can`t even buy Acrobat DC anymore since it can only > be used by subscription about $100/year... > The acrobat version 10 ,came in 2010 ,and support ended in 2015. That > version 10 comes with a licence ,but it can`t be used with Windows 10....

<Do you really mean to be saying "Acrobat reader"? Or do you mean "Adobe Acrobat", which is a <commercial program? The Adobe *Reader* program is free and certainly works on Win 10. A relative told me that "Adobe provides Acrobat reader free of charge to everyone" ,and that the newest version (also working with Win10) is called DC. And further that I can`t even buy Acrobat DC anymore since it can only be used by subscription about $100/year... The acrobat version 10 ,came in 2010 ,and support ended in 2015. That version 10 comes with a licence ,but it can`t be used with Windows 10....

Erik, You wrote: > I think most of the programs I have on my Win7 will work on > Win10 ,but one who don`t is Acrobat reader version 10. I need to > use it when editing a pdf of a large word document. I am aware > of that it is a version of acrobat (DC) that works on Win10 ,but > that version is not for sale ,only on subscription.... while the > version acrobat version 10 is coming with a licence... Do you really mean to be saying "Acrobat reader"? Or do you mean "Adobe Acrobat", which is a commercial program? The Adobe *Reader* program is free and certainly works on Win 10. John On Wed, Oct 02, 2019 at 08:28:21PM +0200, Erik Hov wrote: > I agree it might be wise to switch in time before Win7 is "dead". Then as > you said ,I will have some time to find possibilities for those few programs > that might not work in Win10. I think most of the programs I have on my Win7 > will work on Win10 ,but one who don`t is Acrobat reader version 10. I need > to use it when editing a pdf of a large word document. I am aware of that it > is a version of acrobat (DC) that works on Win10 ,but that version is not > for sale ,only on subscription.... while the version acrobat version 10 is > coming with a licence...

<I do not recommend sticking with Win7 after its end of life, mostly because security updates will stop and <that leaves you exposed. OK ,then I should at least quit using Win7 even if it will still work. That would be entirely safe as long it is not on internet after Win7 support ends. <A vulnerability might appear one day after Win7 updates end, or never, but you can't predict that. Also, <starting relatively soon after official support ends, many hardware manufacturers will stop testing their <devices with Win7, and some may have already done so. So, if you buy an external drive, new <mouse/keyboard, or extra monitor, it might not work as advertised. I do have a mouse and keyboard and monitor that works with Windows 7 ,and also an external drive ,which also works with Win7 ,but would they not work if I get Win10? If so ,why? <I would not wait until the last minute to switch. You don't need to act today, but waiting until the night <before the deadline is not a good idea. < Many people will wait until the last minute and they will flood support systems asking for help with <issues that arise during the process. That will make it harder for you to get support if you need it. Fortunately I am aware of the "problem" now ,so I have two months to think what to do. <Also, some shady suppliers may try to take advantage of the situation. For example, if you have a program <you use a lot, but the version you have won't work under Win10, you may have to pay for an upgrade. <That's reasonable, but it's not OK if the supplier raises the price of the upgrade as the Win7 e-o-l deadline <nears. You might want to switch programs to avoid that supplier, and having a little time to investigate <other options helps avoid making a decision under time pressure. I agree it might be wise to switch in time before Win7 is "dead". Then as you said ,I will have some time to find possibilities for those few programs that might not work in Win10. I think most of the programs I have on my Win7 will work on Win10 ,but one who don`t is Acrobat reader version 10. I need to use it when editing a pdf of a large word document. I am aware of that it is a version of acrobat (DC) that works on Win10 ,but that version is not for sale ,only on subscription.... while the version acrobat version 10 is coming with a licence...

I had no problems installing Win10 on my rather ancient Win7 box. BUT! I did not install /over/ a working Windows system. I'd had a hard drive failure and had to replace my main OS drive. The "recovery media" Dell provided was a partition on the failed drive, so I had to purchase Win10 Pro to have any OS on the new system. ------- Then ,if I decide to go for Win10 ,I will have a new box for it. (That would be the 4th I get...as the one I am using now is number 3).

Erik Hov wrote: > So ,what do you think I should do?. Wait and continue using > Windows 7 as I have done until now ,also after the updates ends?. > Would be nice to never need to update Windows again....starting to > get tired of all the changes with Windows versions... Erik, I stuck with Win7 on my primary PC until just recently. After a routine (I thought) Windows Update, Win7 was trashed and try as I might, I could not fix it without re-installing the OS and losing the contents of the "C" drive as I did so. I decided if I was going to go through the hassle of re-installing all the programs I use and customizing my Windows configuration, I might as well install Win10 because the end-of-life for Win7 is right around the corner and I planned to switch to Win10 before that anyway. Can you stick with Win7 until end-of-life, or after? Yes, but there are risks and inconveniences. Should you? Hard to answer, but I'll give you my opinion. I do not recommend sticking with Win7 after its end of life, mostly because security updates will stop and that leaves you exposed. A vulnerability might appear one day after Win7 updates end, or never, but you can't predict that. Also, starting relatively soon after official support ends, many hardware manufacturers will stop testing their devices with Win7, and some may have already done so. So, if you buy an external drive, new mouse/keyboard, or extra monitor, it might not work as advertised. I would not wait until the last minute to switch. You don't need to act today, but waiting until the night before the deadline is not a good idea. Many people will wait until the last minute and they will flood support systems asking for help with issues that arise during the process. That will make it harder for you to get support if you need it. Also, some shady suppliers may try to take advantage of the situation. For example, if you have a program you use a lot, but the version you have won't work under Win10, you may have to pay for an upgrade. That's reasonable, but it's not OK if the supplier raises the price of the upgrade as the Win7 e-o-l deadline nears. You might want to switch programs to avoid that supplier, and having a little time to investigate other options helps avoid making a decision under time pressure. My $0.02. John

Hi Dennis, apparently putting in the larger hard drive was enough to annoy Windows, as the only other change up to that time was that I had replaced the fan. I have tried repeatedly to get Windows to recognize that it is, in fact, authorized, but have pretty much given up trying. The lost functions are a bit annoying but have not really stopped me from doing normal work on this laptop--seems to be mainly stuff like less functionality on Searching files, Troubleshooting, and on Task Manager. If I could find another laptop that has pen input AND a bay for a second internal hard drive, I'd consider retiring this laptop (I later damaged the screen and had to replace that, which resulted in some keys no longer working), but the overall design of this particular laptop has been ideal for my purposes. I bought my newer laptop when I wasn't sure I could replace the damaged screen on this one, and while I use it more and more, its lack of a second hard drive is a problem. External hard drives are not the answer for me--too easily dropped, etc. Since this is all OT I'll shut up now! Karla Huebner calypsospots AT gmail.co <http://gmail.com>m On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 11:47 AM Dennis Lee Bieber < [email protected]> wrote: > At 10:12 AM 10/2/2019 -0400, Karla Huebner wrote: > >stick with 7. This is despite the fact that after I installed a new hard > >drive in this one several years ago, Windows has insisted that I don't > >have > >an authorized version, and has gradually removed a few functions. > > > Windows uses some log of what equipment was on the machine when the OS > is initially installed/authorized. Making too many hardware changes results > in Windows deciding it is no longer on the original licensed machine. As I > recall Win7 was the most strict. It's quite possible that just changing one > hard drive was sufficient to trigger the unlicensed mode. > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

At 10/2/2019 12:03, Erik Hov wrote >So ,what do you think I should do?. Wait and continue using Windows 7 as I >have done until now ,also after the updates ends?. I have a Win7 system that my wife uses. We are not rushing into upgrading to Win10. >Would be nice to never need to update Windows again....starting to >get tired of all the changes with Windows versions... LOL!!! Well, I have no clue as to when Win11 (or whatever) might be forthcoming. But as for not needing to "update Windows again" you can forget that. Win10 get an automatic whether you want it or not update every few months. You can delay the update, but eventually it will update for you. In most cases, it is no big deal. But occasionally, the update will break something in some random program that you use. Fortunately MicroSoft is fairly quick to respond to the worst of these, but it may take some time on other. Lee

Basically, anything that runs on Win7 will run on Win10. The question is really what version of Win10 -- 32-bit or 64-bit. Early software (e.g., TMG v4x) will not run on 64-bit but will run on 32-bit. Other than this difference between 32- & 64-bit is that memory (RAM) is limited for 32-bit to 4GB while 64-bit Win10 is limited to 128G or 528GB depending on whethe it is Win10 Home or Pro. --------- I have W7 64 bit ,and chose 64 bit because it was more memory (RAM) ,and now have 24 GB RAM. I thought that was better than abt 4 which it would have been with 32 bit. As for security of Win7, I would agree that following Microsoft's end of Win7 updates, there will be greater risks for Internet usage. However, that greater risk will not nccur at once.and with reasonable precautions will take some time. The number of Win7 machines is already relatively low and after the end of Microsoft support will be even lower. This will also reduce to some extent the potential victums that hackers will have. So, I would not worry too much about upgrading although it may (or may not) be more advantageous sooner than later. ---------- So ,what do you think I should do?. Wait and continue using Windows 7 as I have done until now ,also after the updates ends?. Would be nice to never need to update Windows again....starting to get tired of all the changes with Windows versions...

What I've done for DNA matches is probably overkill, but I've managed to record all the info I want so far. I've created 3 custom tags, DNA_MATCH, DNA_PATH, and MRCA, plus flags of the same names, because I'm a big user of colors. The citation for the DNA_MATCH tag for the person who actually did the test gives the testing company and the URL of the match info. The DNA_PATH is for the people who are in the line between the tester and the MRCA and the citation is to the tester's tree if there is one (with lowering surety as generations go back) and/or my own research. The MRCA tag is for the couple that is our most recent common ancestor, and I have a "Match" witness, so I can see all the people connected to that MRCA easily. My DNA_Match sentence is, "[P] has a DNA match with me at <[M1]>. MRCA: <[M2]> <and [M3]> <and [M4]> <and [M5]>." M1 is the testing company. I have the MRCA extras because I've some cousins I'm related to in more ways than one. My sentence for DNA_Path is, "[P] is on a DNA path from match(es) <[M1]> to MRCA <[M2]> <and [M3]> <and [M4]>" where M1 is the name of the tester - or a list of names if there are multiple people on the same path. For the MRCA tag, it is "[P] <is a MRCA|and [PO] are MRCAs> for match(es) <[WO]>" and the witness sentence is "[P]<is an MRCA|and [PO] are MRCAs> of match [W]." On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 11:29 AM Karla Huebner <[email protected]> wrote: > I admit that all I'm doing with DNA matches in TMG is adding a tag to the > cousin matches stating that they DNA-tested at a given company (and if they > did Y or MtDNA). However, you might want to look for ideas at the way that > Wikitree wishes users to document DNA relationships, which involves stating > that the parent-child relationship was proven by DNA tests done by the > following people. (See here for details: > https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Help:DNA_Confirmation). > > > Karla Huebner > calypsospots AT gmail.com > > > On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 11:02 AM Ruth Ann Greene <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > I am trying to figure out how I want to document DNA matches in my TMG > > database. I am thinking that each match or group of similar matches > should > > be a source that is then attached to the relationships back to the common > > ancestor. The source could also then include editorial regarding the > match. > > > > I am curious as to how other people are doing this. > > > > Thanks, > > Ruth Ann Greene > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > > community > > > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

At 10:12 AM 10/2/2019 -0400, Karla Huebner wrote: >stick with 7. This is despite the fact that after I installed a new hard >drive in this one several years ago, Windows has insisted that I don't >have >an authorized version, and has gradually removed a few functions. > Windows uses some log of what equipment was on the machine when the OS is initially installed/authorized. Making too many hardware changes results in Windows deciding it is no longer on the original licensed machine. As I recall Win7 was the most strict. It's quite possible that just changing one hard drive was sufficient to trigger the unlicensed mode.

TMG v4 surely contains 16-bit code (the report writer was the last module to be converted to 32-bit, and that was TMG 7 or 8). The odds are good that you are running a 64-bit OS. 32-bit Windows can run 16-bit code 64-bit Windows can run 32-bit code 64-bit Windows CAN NOT run 16-bit code ---------------- Yes ,I am running Windows 7 64 bit now ,and that must of course be the reason TMG 4 doesn`t work on 64 bit. Any way of running a 16 bit code on a 64 bit system? An emulator maybe? DosBox works on 64 bit and let me run old Dos programs....

At 03:12 PM 10/2/2019 +0200, Erik Hov wrote: >If I understand correctly ,it is said that you shouldn`t install windows >10 >on a computer you have had Windows 7 on before ,so I guess I might need >a >new computer if have to go for Windows 10. I had no problems installing Win10 on my rather ancient Win7 box. BUT! I did not install /over/ a working Windows system. I'd had a hard drive failure and had to replace my main OS drive. The "recovery media" Dell provided was a partition on the failed drive, so I had to purchase Win10 Pro to have any OS on the new system. I was able to restore all but three weeks of user data (saved emails) from my backup (each drive gets backed up once a month -- three drives). Had to reinstall applications so the registry was correctly configured, but other than that tedium no real problem.