On 10/3/2019 1:33 PM, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote: > So far as a quick glance at the contents of > C:\Users\Wulfraed\AppData\Roaming\The Master Genealogist v9\app.ini > > shows, the only bar to restoring it is that it contains full paths to projects: > > [Database] > Prefix= > project1=c:\Users\Wulfraed\Documents\The Master Genealogist v9\Projects\Bieber__.PJC > project2=c:\Users\Wulfraed\Documents\The Master Genealogist v9\Projects\Sample\sample__.pjc > .. > PRJRoot=C:\Users\Wulfraed\Documents\The Master Genealogist v9\Projects\ > etc. Mine includes a number of other paths as well. In addition, it includes the position and sizes of a number of interior windows. These would not be an issue if moving to the same size or larger (in pixels) monitor, but could be if moving to a smaller one, for example to a laptop, as some windows could be placed out of view. Terry Reigel

At 11:49 AM 10/3/2019 +0200, Erik Hov wrote: >I have never tried Debian or Linux at all ,and I guess it would be like >starting on a completely new operativesystem?... Seems to me , I should Yes -- it IS totally different. And even within one distribution you have options for something like 5 or 6 different Window Managers, each looking different in some aspects. The application menu may be on the top of the screen, on the bottom of the screen, or attached to a right-click menu. The icon bar on which the menu is placed may be full width, centered in the middle, etc. You also really need to learn to use it from a command line since so much of Linux is based upon text console commands, which do not have GUI equivalents. >have >some OS ,maybe Win10 64 bit with some VirtualBox to run maybe Win7 32 bit >or >even 64 bit. In Win 7 it is possible to have XP mode ,but that isn`t >available in Win 10 (I think) ,so have to be another virtualprogram. I I think "XP Mode" was a sop to persuade users to upgrade to Win7 -- I never used it. The only programs I had that might have needed it were graphics intensive games from the Win9X era. (Of course, downloading the XP Mode installer over a DSL line that peaked out a 1.4Mbps, and was prone to restart at any time, didn't help either) However... https://www.download3k.com/articles/How-to-add-an-XP-Mode-Virtual-Machine-to-Windows-10-or-8-using-Hyper-V-00770 >have >to ger another OS than Win7 anyway ,so then it also look like I need to >have >a license for both the new OS and the 32 bit OS to install on the >virtual >environment?. That was the main feature of XP Mode -- the Win7 license covered the XP Mode operation. >Sounds to me that Win10 want to control you more than needed? >A hard decision to chose what I need here!!. Not really -- go to ANY corporate environment and you find the same restrictions: USER accounts are just that -- users. Anything that could affect/change the configuration of the computer requires one to have privileged admin/root accounts. Same behavior one had in the days of mainframes and multi-user minicomputers. Current practice for Linux systems is that the root account doesn't even have direct login privileges -- one has to log into a user account that has been configured for "sudo" privilege, and then prefix system commands with "sudo the-command" -- "sudo" ("super-user do") then prompts the user for the /user's/ password before executing the command. If the user was not added to the sudoers config file (Debian does this for the first user during the OS install) or does not know the password (stranger trying to commit mayhem on your terminal while your back is turned) they can not run those commands. {Now, something I hope doesn't offend, but is there some way you can configure your mail client to use a more internet friendly quoting method -- trying to find your text within these messages is somewhat painful. The headers indicate you are using some form of Outlook. If it is similar to the one I don't use [I think I have Office 2016] File / Options Mail (scroll down to) Replies and Forwards and change "Include original text" to "Prefix each line of the original message" (and have something like > (that's a > and a space) } -- [email protected] Dennis Lee Bieber http://genealogy.microdiversity.freeddns.org/

At 08:33 AM 10/3/2019 -0400, Judy Madnick wrote: on. > >When I checked all my notes, I found the suggestion to back up the >project and customizations separately and have a separate backup for >customizations. Also, it was suggested to "not restore the Preferences >> Program Options customization (the app.ini file) to computers other >than the one on which the backup was made." > So far as a quick glance at the contents of C:\Users\Wulfraed\AppData\Roaming\The Master Genealogist v9\app.ini shows, the only bar to restoring it is that it contains full paths to projects: [Database] Prefix= project1=c:\Users\Wulfraed\Documents\The Master Genealogist v9\Projects\Bieber__.PJC project2=c:\Users\Wulfraed\Documents\The Master Genealogist v9\Projects\Sample\sample__.pjc .. PRJRoot=C:\Users\Wulfraed\Documents\The Master Genealogist v9\Projects\ etc. Since I always use the SAME USER NAME AND DEFAULT LOCATIONS when setting up on a new computer/OS, I can move from computer to computer and restore with no problems. The only time this did not hold was the conversion from WinXP to Win7 (when "Documents and Settings" changed to "Users" -- a simple find/replace ALL in a text editor solved that {in truth, I ran a PowerShell script to search ALL files for old location strings and edited all those configurations}). -- [email protected] Dennis Lee Bieber http://genealogy.microdiversity.freeddns.org/

Lee, How about if you have a new computer? What customizations can't be restored to a new computer? Judy Madnick Albany, NY On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 10:09 AM Lee Hoffman <[email protected]> wrote: > > At 10/2/2019 16:40, Judy Madnick wrote > >I recall being told not to back up everything (minus exhibits). If in > >the future a backup file is to be restored to the same computer, is it > >okay to back up everything but exhibits? If you have to install TMG on > >a new computer, it's my understanding that some items shouldn't be > >checked off. I would love to have a list of what to back up (or not!) > >for each scenario. > > If you perform backups more or less properly (at least once each > sesssion - usually at the end of a session), I would suggest having > two (or more) Backup Configurations. One would be the project less > Exhibits. The second would be everything (again except > Exhibits). Then I would use the everything Backup Configuration > (say) once a week, and the project only Configuration the rest of the > time (daily or more). > > You probably already know this, but the reason not to include > Exhibits is that those are not changed that often and are normally > included in normal system backups outside TMG. Further, a single > Exhibit file is large and since most of us have hundreds (more?) > Exhibits then a TMG Backup including Exhibit can get to be huge. > > The idea of the two Backup Configurations is that the everything > Backup Configuration would include items that rarely change and in > most cases are not criticaal if you don't have the latest > change. For exaample, when was the last time that you made a change > to Custom Frames, DNA Fingerprint templates, or State > Abbreviations. The most likely items to be change are Preferences , > Layouts, and Toolbars with Report Configurations more likely than > some others. A lot of the reason to include these other items are > for convenience. So, you change something, and later have to Restore > without having backed up that change. You just have to make the > change again (after you remember that you need to <g>). One other > suggestion with this is that when you create the everything Backup -- > make a copy of it and store that somewhere outside your home (say at > the office, or a relative's or friend's house). This protect against > fire or other disaster. > > You can actually have many Backup Configurations and work up a > schedule of when to use each. For example, you might have another > Configurtion for project only plus Preferences and Layouts. This > might be run only when that changes in between the everything Configuration. > > If you need to Restore, you would normally use the latest. But the > idea of the added items is again for the convenience of not having to > make those changes to the various items (if you can remember which > were changed <g>). > > Another option is to have just the one everything Backup > Configuration and use it all the time. Then as you need to Restore > on an evryday basis (you got a little heavy with the editing of > someone or inadvertantly deleted someone). In that case, in the > Restore Configuration, just uncheck everything but the project and > other items needed. The downside of this method is that the Backup > files will be quite large. Again, here, I recommend periodically > storing a Backup off-site. > > There may be other ways to doing things. Just work up a routine that > fits your needs and how you work. > > Lee > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

At 10/2/2019 16:40, Judy Madnick wrote >I recall being told not to back up everything (minus exhibits). If in >the future a backup file is to be restored to the same computer, is it >okay to back up everything but exhibits? If you have to install TMG on >a new computer, it's my understanding that some items shouldn't be >checked off. I would love to have a list of what to back up (or not!) >for each scenario. If you perform backups more or less properly (at least once each sesssion - usually at the end of a session), I would suggest having two (or more) Backup Configurations. One would be the project less Exhibits. The second would be everything (again except Exhibits). Then I would use the everything Backup Configuration (say) once a week, and the project only Configuration the rest of the time (daily or more). You probably already know this, but the reason not to include Exhibits is that those are not changed that often and are normally included in normal system backups outside TMG. Further, a single Exhibit file is large and since most of us have hundreds (more?) Exhibits then a TMG Backup including Exhibit can get to be huge. The idea of the two Backup Configurations is that the everything Backup Configuration would include items that rarely change and in most cases are not criticaal if you don't have the latest change. For exaample, when was the last time that you made a change to Custom Frames, DNA Fingerprint templates, or State Abbreviations. The most likely items to be change are Preferences , Layouts, and Toolbars with Report Configurations more likely than some others. A lot of the reason to include these other items are for convenience. So, you change something, and later have to Restore without having backed up that change. You just have to make the change again (after you remember that you need to <g>). One other suggestion with this is that when you create the everything Backup -- make a copy of it and store that somewhere outside your home (say at the office, or a relative's or friend's house). This protect against fire or other disaster. You can actually have many Backup Configurations and work up a schedule of when to use each. For example, you might have another Configurtion for project only plus Preferences and Layouts. This might be run only when that changes in between the everything Configuration. If you need to Restore, you would normally use the latest. But the idea of the added items is again for the convenience of not having to make those changes to the various items (if you can remember which were changed <g>). Another option is to have just the one everything Backup Configuration and use it all the time. Then as you need to Restore on an evryday basis (you got a little heavy with the editing of someone or inadvertantly deleted someone). In that case, in the Restore Configuration, just uncheck everything but the project and other items needed. The downside of this method is that the Backup files will be quite large. Again, here, I recommend periodically storing a Backup off-site. There may be other ways to doing things. Just work up a routine that fits your needs and how you work. Lee

Richard, Exhibits aren't the issue. In my case, they are all external. The original question was in relationship to Bruce's suggestion to back up everything but exhibits so that your layouts, etc., would be in place in the event of a reinstallation. When I checked all my notes, I found the suggestion to back up the project and customizations separately and have a separate backup for customizations. Also, it was suggested to "not restore the Preferences > Program Options customization (the app.ini file) to computers other than the one on which the backup was made." As a result of all this, I do a basic backup (Project data files, Accents, and Filters -- although I'm not sure why the last two -- LOL!) and have notes regarding all my other settings. Judy On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 7:51 AM Richard Damon <[email protected]> wrote: > > On 10/3/19 7:14 AM, Judy Madnick wrote: > > Hi, Bruce, > > > > Were all installations on the same computer? Hmmm...you mentioned needing a > > new hard drive but no problems with the installation. I don't recall why it > > was recommended not to back up all but exhibits. Perhaps someone will jump > > in with more info AND I'll check my notes further. > > > > Thanks! > > > > Judy > > > With TMG it is better to backup your exhibits separately (but still back > them up!) because if you backup and restore exhibits with TMG, the > folder structure of your exhibits are lost. Also, if you regularly > backup your exhibits with TMG your backup files are big, and since > exhibits don't normally change often, you have a lot of redundant copies > that are just taking space, so you will tend to back up less often than > you should. > > -- > Richard Damon > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

On 10/3/19 7:14 AM, Judy Madnick wrote: > Hi, Bruce, > > Were all installations on the same computer? Hmmm...you mentioned needing a > new hard drive but no problems with the installation. I don't recall why it > was recommended not to back up all but exhibits. Perhaps someone will jump > in with more info AND I'll check my notes further. > > Thanks! > > Judy > With TMG it is better to backup your exhibits separately (but still back them up!) because if you backup and restore exhibits with TMG,  the folder structure of your exhibits are lost. Also, if you regularly backup your exhibits with TMG your backup files are big, and since exhibits don't normally change often, you have a lot of redundant copies that are just taking space, so you will tend to back up less often than you should. -- Richard Damon

Hi, Bruce, Were all installations on the same computer? Hmmm...you mentioned needing a new hard drive but no problems with the installation. I don't recall why it was recommended not to back up all but exhibits. Perhaps someone will jump in with more info AND I'll check my notes further. Thanks! Judy On Thu, Oct 3, 2019, 2:16 AM Bruce W Fairhall <[email protected]> wrote: > Judy > > I configured my Backup several years ago, backing up everything EXCEPT > Exhibits and created a new backup configuration with a distinctive name. > The next time I backed up I selected that configuration and opted to use > it as saved (no changes), and from then on that option comes up as the > selected item. > In those years I've had two full reinstallations of Windows 10 (fiorst > was voluntary - the previous was over Win7 and starting to get very > sluggish), and the second because of a hard drive failure. > Both times TMG reinstalled, I set it to load as Administrator then > Restored my last SQZ file. It set up my custom toolbar, accents etc. all > as needed. Once I pointed to where my Exhibits were kept (on my D: > drive) it Reindexed and ran perfectly. I Optimised and ran VFI before > the next Backup. > > *Bruce Fairhall* > > On 03-Oct.-19 6:40 am, Judy Madnick wrote: > > On 9/24, Bruce Fairhall said this: "Might I suggest when you configure > > the Backup process, you use the "save as a new configuration", giving > > it with a recognisable name and step through the wizard ticking every > > option except Exhibits.Then all future backups use that option rather > > than the installed ones. That will mean all of your layouts, toolbars > > etc. will in future be saved (and then restored) in every backup - > > this saves lots of time and pain when you have to reinstall for some > > reason in the future." > > > > I recall being told not to back up everything (minus exhibits). If in > > the future a backup file is to be restored to the same computer, is it > > okay to back up everything but exhibits? If you have to install TMG on > > a new computer, it's my understanding that some items shouldn't be > > checked off. I would love to have a list of what to back up (or not!) > > for each scenario. > > > > Thanks! > > > > Judy Madnick > > Albany, NY > > > > On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 8:07 PM Bruce W Fairhall <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Liz, > >> As Lee said, they are in your App Data/Roaming ... folder by default. > >> > >> Might I suggest when you configure the Backup process, you use the "save > >> as a new configuration", giving it with a recognisable name and step > >> through the wizard ticking every option except Exhibits. > >> Then all future backups use that option rather than the installed ones. > >> That will mean all of your layouts, toolbars etc. will in future be > >> saved (and then restored) in every backup - this saves lots of time and > >> pain when you have to reinstall for some reason in the future. > >> > >> > >> *Bruce Fairhall* > >> > >> On 25-Sep.-19 9:10 am, Liz Heaton Brown wrote: > >>> Greetings! This is serious.... Something totally changed my computer > today and I can't find everything. It didn't find my restore points, so I > couldn't go back. (Is there another way?) My Desktop is gone, my email > program had to be set up again and it took me forever to find my TMG > project files. I think they're safe, thank goodness! I haven't begun to > figure out everything else yet -- and I have no idea how this could have > happened. > >>> > >>> My immediate TMG issue is that I can't find my layouts. The only one > recognized is "standard". I've been able to reset the paths to my project > and configuration files, but how do I find all the layouts I have? Is there > an extension or file name I should search for? > >>> > >>> Your help and advice will be greatly appreciated, as always. > Thanks... Liz > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > >>> Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > >>> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > >>> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > >>> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal > RootsWeb community > >>> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > >> Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > >> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > > _______________________________________________ > > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > > > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

Hi John TMG will import into Legacy, Roots Magic & Family Historian either by a Gedcom import or as a direct import from your TMG project file as far as I'm aware you can try sampling all three programs free. I did this a couple of years ago and chose Family Historian Regards Rich Scantlebury -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, 1 October 2019 18:46 To: 'The Master Genealogist (TMG) Rootsweb Email List' <[email protected]> Subject: [TMG] TMG Alternative I am a long-time user of TMG but have not been able to get it to work on a new Windows 10 computer that I purchased a couple of months ago. I think the problem is associated with OneDrive. In any event posts to this list as well as the Wholly Genes forum have not elicited a fix for my problem. I am now considering switching to another genealogy program as a last resort. Can anyone recommend a good program that would result in minimal data loss in importing from TMG? _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Thanks for all answers on my question regarding Windows 10... It`s a a triple nightmare finding out what to chose. I am used to windows XP and 7 ,but they are not to be used on internet anymore ,so I have to change the OS to something other than Win7. It`s relief to know that TMG 9.05 works on windows 10. Win10 may be too different from Win7 which I am used to ,but on the same time ,it may be better to use Win10 than going to Linux or Os X (Mac)?..... I guess since DosBox 074.0.0 work on Windows 10 64 bit as well as Win7 64 bit ,I should only need Win10 64 bit (to get the extra RAM memory) with DosBox on. The only programs I can`t use then would be the 16 bit programs made for 32 bit. But then you have Win10 updates that makes some of the programs etc on the computer unusable ,so you will have no idea of knowing which updates to install or not......and you can`t just quit installing updates either?!. Dennis: <You would need something like Oracle VirtualBox (though Win10Pro, if the hardware is capable, does <include M$ version of a virtual processor manager -- but I found it wasn't as flexible as VBox)... AND you <would need a licensed copy of a 32-bit OS to install within the virtual environment (I don't use it to run <Windows -- I run Debian Linux in a virtual environment [It's that, or boot a Raspberry-Pi or Beaglebone <Black as both use versions of Debian]). I have never tried Debian or Linux at all ,and I guess it would be like starting on a completely new operativesystem?... Seems to me , I should have some OS ,maybe Win10 64 bit with some VirtualBox to run maybe Win7 32 bit or even 64 bit. In Win 7 it is possible to have XP mode ,but that isn`t available in Win 10 (I think) ,so have to be another virtualprogram. I have to ger another OS than Win7 anyway ,so then it also look like I need to have a license for both the new OS and the 32 bit OS to install on the virtual environment?. <The most problematic might by your graphics card, and maybe your sound card. Guess that wouldn`t be a problem if I get a new computer with all that should be in it?!. <Please review <https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_other-windows_ins tall/windows-7-81-10-compatibility-testing-for-windows/310e06a4-b181-45ec-ae 6d-ee93a1632932< <(and maybe see if the upgrade checker for Win10 is still available -- if it is, run it)< I found a upgrade checker for Win10 ,but saving that to my computer and trying to run it only resulted in an internet page saying something about that I should have a windows 10 license before I could go further. And I don`t have a license and are not going to upgrade since I have you shouldn`t install Windows over Windows 7. <The most difficult item I've encountered with Win10 is that an update this summer would not install due <to the age of the Intel Rapid Storage Technology system...... It seems you have had a lot of trouble with Windows 10....if it is so that Win10`s updates does things with programs and other things on Win10 which make them not work properly ,then I can never be sure which updates to actually install ,and I have no way to know which updates that should be installed either..... so what`s the point of having Win10 if some updates only causes trouble for programs or certain files? <Win10 actually drew back from some of the changes that Win8 introduced. Though I do complain about <the look of Win10. After all the hype about the "aero" interface of Win7 (if one had higher end graphics <cards, things like window title bars could be semi transparent, letting one see what is behind the window), <and after the even older development of rounded window corners, 3-D button, and gradated shades in <window titles... Win10 has reverted to a high-res version of 1985 -- windows have square corners, solid <shade title bars, and buttons are no longer "buttons", just flat icons. I have never had Win8 and never will ,but I have also seen that it is some changes in Win10 with the different windows ,but mostly the start-menu. It is seemingly possible to get it pretty much as Windows 7 allthough not quite the same. <Possibly the biggest change is that Win10 fully attempts to protect the system from inadvertent changes -<- WinXP had account isolation, but it was a snap to set it to store user data in the system application <install directories; Win7 got stricter, but still allowed one to override. Under Win10, even an admin <account has to approve any action that would modify the application and system code directories. Sounds to me that Win10 want to control you more than needed? A hard decision to chose what I need here!!.

Judy I configured my Backup several years ago, backing up everything EXCEPT Exhibits and created a new backup configuration with a distinctive name. The next time I backed up I selected that configuration and opted to use it as saved (no changes), and from then on that option comes up as the selected item. In those years I've had two full reinstallations of Windows 10 (fiorst was voluntary - the previous was over Win7 and starting to get very sluggish), and the second because of a hard drive failure. Both times TMG reinstalled, I set it to load as Administrator then Restored my last SQZ file. It set up my custom toolbar, accents etc. all as needed. Once I pointed to where my Exhibits were kept (on my D: drive) it Reindexed and ran perfectly. I Optimised and ran VFI before the next Backup. *Bruce Fairhall* On 03-Oct.-19 6:40 am, Judy Madnick wrote: > On 9/24, Bruce Fairhall said this: "Might I suggest when you configure > the Backup process, you use the "save as a new configuration", giving > it with a recognisable name and step through the wizard ticking every > option except Exhibits.Then all future backups use that option rather > than the installed ones. That will mean all of your layouts, toolbars > etc. will in future be saved (and then restored) in every backup - > this saves lots of time and pain when you have to reinstall for some > reason in the future." > > I recall being told not to back up everything (minus exhibits). If in > the future a backup file is to be restored to the same computer, is it > okay to back up everything but exhibits? If you have to install TMG on > a new computer, it's my understanding that some items shouldn't be > checked off. I would love to have a list of what to back up (or not!) > for each scenario. > > Thanks! > > Judy Madnick > Albany, NY > > On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 8:07 PM Bruce W Fairhall <[email protected]> wrote: >> Liz, >> As Lee said, they are in your App Data/Roaming ... folder by default. >> >> Might I suggest when you configure the Backup process, you use the "save >> as a new configuration", giving it with a recognisable name and step >> through the wizard ticking every option except Exhibits. >> Then all future backups use that option rather than the installed ones. >> That will mean all of your layouts, toolbars etc. will in future be >> saved (and then restored) in every backup - this saves lots of time and >> pain when you have to reinstall for some reason in the future. >> >> >> *Bruce Fairhall* >> >> On 25-Sep.-19 9:10 am, Liz Heaton Brown wrote: >>> Greetings! This is serious.... Something totally changed my computer today and I can't find everything. It didn't find my restore points, so I couldn't go back. (Is there another way?) My Desktop is gone, my email program had to be set up again and it took me forever to find my TMG project files. I think they're safe, thank goodness! I haven't begun to figure out everything else yet -- and I have no idea how this could have happened. >>> >>> My immediate TMG issue is that I can't find my layouts. The only one recognized is "standard". I've been able to reset the paths to my project and configuration files, but how do I find all the layouts I have? Is there an extension or file name I should search for? >>> >>> Your help and advice will be greatly appreciated, as always. Thanks... Liz >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >>> Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] >>> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >>> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >>> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community >

Hi All, Since the material I have is copyrighted, I decided not to post without getting permission. You can find the latest info here (this morning's edition - Wed 10/2/19): https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/10/02/windows_7_extended_security/ For those not aware of The Register, it is a British Tech newsletter and is full of British slang, so may need to take a bit of time reading the article. This article is pretty straight forward with the English.... Charles Wolfe -----Original Message----- From: tmg-request <[email protected]> To: tmg <[email protected]> Sent: Wed, Oct 2, 2019 1:14 pm ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2019 16:02:58 -0400 From: Lee Hoffman <[email protected]> Subject: [TMG] Re: TMG on Windows 10? To: "The Master Genealogist (TMG) Rootsweb Email List"     <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10/2/2019 13:08, John Cardinal wrote >I do not recommend sticking with Win7 after its end of life, mostly because >security updates will stop and that leaves you exposed. The question is "when is the end of life for Win7".  I just heard that MicroSoft is going to extend the Win7 end of life to 2023 -- for a price.  The price will go up each each, of course.  Not sure how one signs up or whatever. Lee ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2019 20:07:00 +0000 From: "DeAnna Burghart" <[email protected]> Subject: [TMG] Re: TMG on Windows 10? To: "The Master Genealogist (TMG) Rootsweb Email List"     <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=utf-8 I'm using Acrobat X on Win 10. It's a bit buggy, and some of the integration with Office disappeared when I moved to Office 2016, but it's functional. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ DeAnna Burghart TMG Shortcuts, Variables and Report Cheat Sheets (Word and PDF) http://www.rootsandthreads.com/tmg/ ------ Original Message ------ From: "Erik Hov" <[email protected]> To: "'The Master Genealogist (TMG) Rootsweb Email List'" <[email protected]> Sent: 10/2/2019 12:23:06 PM Subject: [TMG] Re: TMG on Windows 10? ><I have Acrobat Pro X from 2011. Works perfectly in Windows 10. > >Sounds great!. Probably one step further onto decision on what I should go for. >My relative named the version as "Acrobat Standard Version 10". Guess it would be about the same as the one you mentioned above? > >_______________________________________________ >Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] >Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2019 16:11:39 -0400 From: "John Cardinal" <[email protected]> Subject: [TMG] Re: TMG on Windows 10? To: "'The Master Genealogist \(TMG\) Rootsweb Email List'"     <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain;      charset="us-ascii" Erik Hov wrote, in part: > OK ,then I should at least quit using Win7 even if it will still > work. That would be entirely safe as long it is not on internet > after Win7 support ends. Erik, No, Win7 will not be _entirely_ safe even if you keep it off the Internet after support ends. There are other ways to introduce a virus, such as by inserting a flash drive. That's a common way to move data to a device that is isolated from the Internet. > I do have a mouse and keyboard and monitor that works with > Windows 7 ,and also an external drive ,which also works with Win7 > ,but would they not work if I get Win10? If so ,why? They will probably work because the device probably has both a Win7 and a Win10 driver available. If the mouse is very old, it might not be compatible with Win10. If you stick with Win7, and then you replace your mouse in a year, the new mouse may or may not be compatible with Win7. It's very likely it will be compatible, but unless the manufacturer explicitly states that it is compatible with Win7, it might not be. Devices need "drivers" to work. Those drivers are the interface between the hardware and the Windows operating system. Drivers often have coding that is specific to a particular version of Windows. So, the same driver that works for Win7 may or may not work for Win10. That's the usual reason why a device will work with one version of Windows but not with another. John ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2019 16:12:56 -0400 From: "John Cardinal" <[email protected]> Subject: [TMG] Re: TMG on Windows 10? To: "'The Master Genealogist \(TMG\) Rootsweb Email List'"     <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain;      charset="us-ascii" Lee Hoffman wrote: > The question is "when is the end of life for Win7". > I just heard that MicroSoft is going to extend the > Win7 end of life to 2023 -- for a price.  The price > will go up each each, of course.  Not sure how one > signs up or whatever. Lee, I don't think that option is available to consumers. I think it is reserved for business customers. 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Win 7 extended support is available to business users, not home users. The price is per machine. I don't think the Home edition and maybe Pro are covered by the extended coverage. If I can find the info I read a few hours ago, I'll post it. Charles Wolfe --------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2019 16:02:58 -0400 From: Lee Hoffman <[email protected]> Subject: [TMG] Re: TMG on Windows 10? To: "The Master Genealogist (TMG) Rootsweb Email List"     <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10/2/2019 13:08, John Cardinal wrote >I do not recommend sticking with Win7 after its end of life, mostly because >security updates will stop and that leaves you exposed. The question is "when is the end of life for Win7".  I just heard that MicroSoft is going to extend the Win7 end of life to 2023 -- for a price.  The price will go up each each, of course.  Not sure how one signs up or whatever. Lee ************************

At 10:32 PM 10/2/2019 +0200, Erik Hov wrote: >Anyway ,it sems I have to learn how to use Win10 or Mac then?.....what >would >be the easiest...I am used to Windows... > Win10 actually drew back from some of the changes that Win8 introduced. Though I do complain about the look of Win10. After all the hype about the "aero" interface of Win7 (if one had higher end graphics cards, things like window title bars could be semi transparent, letting one see what is behind the window), and after the even older development of rounded window corners, 3-D button, and gradated shades in window titles... Win10 has reverted to a high-res version of 1985 -- windows have square corners, solid shade title bars, and buttons are no longer "buttons", just flat icons. Possibly the biggest change is that Win10 fully attempts to protect the system from inadvertent changes -- WinXP had account isolation, but it was a snap to set it to store user data in the system application install directories; Win7 got stricter, but still allowed one to override. Under Win10, even an admin account has to approve any action that would modify the application and system code directories. -- [email protected] Dennis Lee Bieber http://genealogy.microdiversity.freeddns.org/

At 04:12 PM 10/2/2019 -0400, John Cardinal wrote: >Lee Hoffman wrote: >> The question is "when is the end of life for Win7". >> I just heard that MicroSoft is going to extend the >> Win7 end of life to 2023 -- for a price. The price >> will go up each each, of course. Not sure how one >> signs up or whatever. > >Lee, > >I don't think that option is available to consumers. I think it is >reserved >for business customers. And they're probably already paying for site-level licenses, allowing them to install the OS on any machine owned by the firm.

At 08:28 PM 10/2/2019 +0200, Erik Hov wrote: > >I do have a mouse and keyboard and monitor that works with Windows 7 >,and >also an external drive ,which also works with Win7 ,but would they not >work >if I get Win10? If so ,why? > Those should be the least problematic items -- Win10 tends to have more up-to-date drivers that cover a wider span of hardware. The most problematic might by your graphics card, and maybe your sound card. Please review https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_other-windows_install/windows-7-81-10-compatibility-testing-for-windows/310e06a4-b181-45ec-ae6d-ee93a1632932 (and maybe see if the upgrade checker for Win10 is still available -- if it is, run it) The most difficult item I've encountered with Win10 is that an update this summer would not install due to the age of the Intel Rapid Storage Technology system (my machine has a 30GB SSD that is only meant to be used as a fast cache for the 2TB hard-drive). The newest version of IRST turns out to incompatible with my configuration, and it took days to get an intermediate version to install -- there were remnants of critical files that had to be removed before a version could be installed (I had to do something like reinstall the non functional version, do a formal uninstall, then install my original version and uninstall that, and only then could I install and configure the intermediate version -- the key was that I had to first disable IRST and uninstall versions, rather than just install over the existing). Even Qualcomm Eudora 7.1 (not to be confused with Eudora OSE -- which was just a skin over Thunderbird) runs (it has problems with root certificates, but that's because it hadn't been updated before Qualcomm gave up on maintaining it). That last version of Eudora is dated October of 2006 -- or 13 years ago. TMG v9 is practically a baby in comparison (somewhere between 2010 and 2014). -- [email protected] Dennis Lee Bieber http://genealogy.microdiversity.freeddns.org/

At 05:47 PM 10/2/2019 +0200, Erik Hov wrote: >Yes ,I am running Windows 7 64 bit now ,and that must of course be the >reason TMG 4 doesn`t work on 64 bit. >Any way of running a 16 bit code on a 64 bit system? An emulator maybe? >DosBox works on 64 bit and let me run old Dos programs.... You would need something like Oracle VirtualBox (though Win10Pro, if the hardware is capable, does include M$ version of a virtual processor manager -- but I found it wasn't as flexible as VBox)... AND you would need a licensed copy of a 32-bit OS to install within the virtual environment (I don't use it to run Windows -- I run Debian Linux in a virtual environment [It's that, or boot a Raspberry-Pi or Beaglebone Black as both use versions of Debian]).

On 9/24, Bruce Fairhall said this: "Might I suggest when you configure the Backup process, you use the "save as a new configuration", giving it with a recognisable name and step through the wizard ticking every option except Exhibits.Then all future backups use that option rather than the installed ones. That will mean all of your layouts, toolbars etc. will in future be saved (and then restored) in every backup - this saves lots of time and pain when you have to reinstall for some reason in the future." I recall being told not to back up everything (minus exhibits). If in the future a backup file is to be restored to the same computer, is it okay to back up everything but exhibits? If you have to install TMG on a new computer, it's my understanding that some items shouldn't be checked off. I would love to have a list of what to back up (or not!) for each scenario. Thanks! Judy Madnick Albany, NY On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 8:07 PM Bruce W Fairhall <[email protected]> wrote: > > Liz, > As Lee said, they are in your App Data/Roaming ... folder by default. > > Might I suggest when you configure the Backup process, you use the "save > as a new configuration", giving it with a recognisable name and step > through the wizard ticking every option except Exhibits. > Then all future backups use that option rather than the installed ones. > That will mean all of your layouts, toolbars etc. will in future be > saved (and then restored) in every backup - this saves lots of time and > pain when you have to reinstall for some reason in the future. > > > *Bruce Fairhall* > > On 25-Sep.-19 9:10 am, Liz Heaton Brown wrote: > > Greetings! This is serious.... Something totally changed my computer today and I can't find everything. It didn't find my restore points, so I couldn't go back. (Is there another way?) My Desktop is gone, my email program had to be set up again and it took me forever to find my TMG project files. I think they're safe, thank goodness! I haven't begun to figure out everything else yet -- and I have no idea how this could have happened. > > > > My immediate TMG issue is that I can't find my layouts. The only one recognized is "standard". I've been able to reset the paths to my project and configuration files, but how do I find all the layouts I have? Is there an extension or file name I should search for? > > > > Your help and advice will be greatly appreciated, as always. Thanks... Liz > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > > > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

I've worried less about the "science" of my matches and more about the genealogy of them. For matches of 4th-5th cousin or less with people that I wasn't aware of, I have added their ancestry back to the common ancestor we share in TMG (sometimes takes some real sleuthing). I've found the new Ancestry tools really helpful if the match is on Ancestry. This has proven to be a really useful path for proving some of my more obscure lines. I have spent some time on Ancestry's ThruLines with earlier matches (than 4th-5th cousin) if the proposed common ancestor is not in my database or is someone I have little info on. In TMG I add the full line back to that ancestor. On the person page to the living individual to with whom I have the match, I use a "Note" to record the match and identify the ThruLines page address and that person's profile page. In that Note, I add the first common ancestor as a " "Also Mentioned" to that Note. You can see an example of this at https://www.acvancestors.com/g3/p3001.htm#i90012 (The DNA note appears toward the end of the page just before the citations). I append a screenshot of the connection chart from Ancestry's ThruLines to each such note. Unfortunately, very few of my matches on FTDNA seem interested enough to either post their own trees or answer emails, so I've stopped checking there very often. Greg On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 11:51 AM Lynn McLaughlin <[email protected]> wrote: > What I've done for DNA matches is probably overkill, but I've managed to > record all the info I want so far. I've created 3 custom tags, DNA_MATCH, > DNA_PATH, and MRCA, plus flags of the same names, because I'm a big user of > colors. The citation for the DNA_MATCH tag for the person who actually did > the test gives the testing company and the URL of the match info. The > DNA_PATH is for the people who are in the line between the tester and the > MRCA and the citation is to the tester's tree if there is one (with > lowering surety as generations go back) and/or my own research. The MRCA > tag is for the couple that is our most recent common ancestor, and I have a > "Match" witness, so I can see all the people connected to that MRCA easily. > My DNA_Match sentence is, "[P] has a DNA match with me at <[M1]>. MRCA: > <[M2]> <and [M3]> <and [M4]> <and [M5]>." M1 is the testing company. I have > the MRCA extras because I've some cousins I'm related to in more ways than > one. My sentence for DNA_Path is, "[P] is on a DNA path from match(es) > <[M1]> to MRCA <[M2]> <and [M3]> <and [M4]>" where M1 is the name of the > tester - or a list of names if there are multiple people on the same path. > For the MRCA tag, it is "[P] <is a MRCA|and [PO] are MRCAs> for match(es) > <[WO]>" and the witness sentence is "[P]<is an MRCA|and [PO] are MRCAs> of > match [W]." > > On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 11:29 AM Karla Huebner <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > I admit that all I'm doing with DNA matches in TMG is adding a tag to the > > cousin matches stating that they DNA-tested at a given company (and if > they > > did Y or MtDNA). However, you might want to look for ideas at the way > that > > Wikitree wishes users to document DNA relationships, which involves > stating > > that the parent-child relationship was proven by DNA tests done by the > > following people. (See here for details: > > https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Help:DNA_Confirmation). > > > > > > Karla Huebner > > calypsospots AT gmail.com > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 11:02 AM Ruth Ann Greene <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > I am trying to figure out how I want to document DNA matches in my TMG > > > database. I am thinking that each match or group of similar matches > > should > > > be a source that is then attached to the relationships back to the > common > > > ancestor. The source could also then include editorial regarding the > > match. > > > > > > I am curious as to how other people are doing this. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Ruth Ann Greene > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > > > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > > > community > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > > community > > > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

<I'm using Acrobat X on Win 10. It's a bit buggy, and some of the integration with Office disappeared when <I moved to Office 2016, but it's functional. 32 or 64 bit? It has to work well with Office/word etc!. Hmmm......how does Acrobat X work on Win7 64 bit? If it works better on Win 7 64 bit than on Win10 64 bit ,maybe I should do it this way then?: 1 have a Win10 64 bit with a virtual Win7 64 bit 2 not let Win7 get access to internet 3 and having acrobat X and all pds and word docs etc on Win7 virtual.... Another possibillity might be to have a Mac with parallels and Windows 7 64 bit there? Anyway ,it sems I have to learn how to use Win10 or Mac then?.....what would be the easiest...I am used to Windows...