My HP system installed the latest BIOS update for Windows 10. TMG is working, but I now have a couple irritating keyboard issues - like needing to press the 'fn' key in order to get the function keys to work. Anyone know what combination of keyboard attributes I need to change to get the Function keys to work by just pressing one key? I've fooled with this all day trying to figure it out! Linda Wines

The Home page has a link at bottom right for screenshots. John Cordes ________________________________ From: TMG <tmg-bounces+john.cordes=dal.ca@rootsweb.com> on behalf of W. Fred Rump <fredrump@gmail.com> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 10:41 AM To: The Master Genealogist Rootsweb Email List Subject: Re: [TMG] Announcing a genealogy project: History Research Environment (HRE) On Sat, Sep 17, 2016 at 9:13 AM, Constance Chappell Horne < constancehorne@gmail.com> wrote: > > Subject: Announcing a genealogy project: History Research Environment (HRE) > Hi > > I am pleased to be able to tell you that work has been quietly continuing > for some time, and that today we are able to announce an open source > project to create a new program called HRE (History Research > Environment). It > is our intention that HRE will be compatible with existing TMG databases. > Wonderful. I just made a donation in pounds via paypal. I see nothing for comments on the website but I love the proposed screen shots. I just hope I live long enough to see this become functional Fred -- Fred Rump, 730 5th St. NW Naples, FL 34120 fredrump@gmail.com 239-775-7838 http://www.rumpfamily1.phanfare.com http://fredrump.blogspot.com http://www.facebook.com/fred.rump The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TMG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

At 9/17/2016 13:27, you wrote: >Apparently HRE will not be able to import data from any genealogy >programs other than TMG As Fred said, HRE will have GEDCOM capability which should take care of more needs. And since the developers are working closely with the TMG environment, it is expected that HRE will import directly from TMG. As for direct import from other programs, that remains to be seen as it is not mentioned. However, I expect that such capability will exist -- although maybe not in the first version. Keep in mind that TMG is a very comprehensive program. Also the project is entirely non-profit and volunteer-based. Further the announcement indicates that HRE will be even more comprehensive than TMG having a wide range of other historical and social research needs. Thus, it will take time for ALL the bells and whistles to be included in the final product. Lee

The way I read (interpreted?) the information on the website, the INITIAL offering will only import TMG data directly (no GEDCOM) but that feature would be added at a later date. Chuck -----Original Message----- From: TMG [mailto:tmg-bounces+chux.genes=gmail.com@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of W. Fred Rump Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 1:41 PM To: The Master Genealogist Rootsweb Email List <tmg@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [TMG] Announcing a genealogy project: History Research Environment (HRE) On Sat, Sep 17, 2016 at 1:27 PM, Carol Anne <clkonfetti@gmail.com> wrote: > Apparently HRE will not be able to import data from any genealogy > programs other than TMG??? > I don't think that 'feature' should be anywhere near the top. As long as it can read and write GEDCOM it would be fine. The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TMG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks, John. I completely overlooked that on my first go-round. Chuck -----Original Message----- From: TMG [mailto:tmg-bounces+chux.genes=gmail.com@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John Cordes Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 10:50 AM To: The Master Genealogist Rootsweb Email List <tmg@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [TMG] Announcing a genealogy project: History Research Environment (HRE) The Home page has a link at bottom right for screenshots. John Cordes ________________________________ From: TMG <tmg-bounces+john.cordes=dal.ca@rootsweb.com> on behalf of W. Fred Rump <fredrump@gmail.com> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 10:41 AM To: The Master Genealogist Rootsweb Email List Subject: Re: [TMG] Announcing a genealogy project: History Research Environment (HRE) On Sat, Sep 17, 2016 at 9:13 AM, Constance Chappell Horne < constancehorne@gmail.com> wrote: > > Subject: Announcing a genealogy project: History Research Environment > (HRE) Hi > > I am pleased to be able to tell you that work has been quietly > continuing for some time, and that today we are able to announce an > open source project to create a new program called HRE (History > Research Environment). It is our intention that HRE will be > compatible with existing TMG databases. > Wonderful. I just made a donation in pounds via paypal. I see nothing for comments on the website but I love the proposed screen shots. I just hope I live long enough to see this become functional Fred -- Fred Rump, 730 5th St. NW Naples, FL 34120 fredrump@gmail.com 239-775-7838 http://www.rumpfamily1.phanfare.com http://fredrump.blogspot.com http://www.facebook.com/fred.rump The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TMG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TMG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On Sat, Sep 17, 2016 at 1:27 PM, Carol Anne <clkonfetti@gmail.com> wrote: > Apparently HRE will not be able to import data from any genealogy > programs other than TMG??? > I don't think that 'feature' should be anywhere near the top. As long as it can read and write GEDCOM it would be fine.

Apparently HRE will not be able to import data from any genealogy programs other than TMG??? Carol Anne On Sat, Sep 17, 2016 at 11:23 AM, Teresa Elliott <cheasa@bellsouth.net> wrote: > > Over the years, I have written many TMG sentences and timelines which I have freely shared with The TMG community. HRE has my permission to use any or all of those that would benefit the HRE community as well! > Teresa Elliott > > >> On Sep 17, 2016, at 8:13 AM, Constance Chappell Horne <constancehorne@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> One of our members cannot post due to rootweb issues so I am posting his >> message for him. See below: >> >> ===================================== >> >> Subject: Announcing a genealogy project: History Research Environment (HRE) >> Hi >> >> I am pleased to be able to tell you that work has been quietly continuing >> for some time, and that today we are able to announce an open source >> project to create a new program called HRE (History Research Environment). It >> is our intention that HRE will be compatible with existing TMG databases. >> >> Over the past year or so a small team of experienced TMG users has been >> preparing the ground for HRE. Our website and wiki are now live, and a >> company (History Research Environment Ltd) has been registered to ensure >> that we can properly handle project funds and deal with copyright and other >> legal issues. >> >> HRE is being written from scratch, and will not directly use or copy the >> program code within the Wholly Genes product TMG. However, we recognize >> that in order to ensure compatibility with existing TMG user data, there >> will necessarily be some similarities between TMG and HRE, including >> underlying data structures, default sentence structures, modes of >> operation, and potentially “look and feel”. >> We are very pleased to be able to say that Wholly Genes (Bob Velke) has >> kindly granted us permission to reuse any aspects of TMG (other than the >> source code) for which they control the copyright. As HRE will be an >> entirely new program, we have not sought permission to re-use or de-compile >> TMG source code. Ownership of copyright in some elements of TMG, including >> translations and some timelines, remains with the original authors and if >> there is any benefit in our reusing such third-party content, we will make >> separate arrangements. >> We are most grateful to Bob for his generosity and encouragement in our >> endeavour to build on his groundbreaking original work in event-driven >> history research software. >> A significant amount of work has already been done on the functionality and >> design of HRE, and we are now ready to open the project to volunteer >> developers who can help us develop HRE into a viable open source product >> for free public release. >> >> In order for this project to succeed we will need to be able to attract >> both funds and volunteers. >> >> If > > > The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ > Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TMG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Fred, Where did you see the proposed screen shots? I've been all over (I thought) the HRE website and didn't see them. Chuck -----Original Message----- From: TMG [mailto:tmg-bounces+chux.genes=gmail.com@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of W. Fred Rump Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 9:42 AM To: The Master Genealogist Rootsweb Email List <tmg@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [TMG] Announcing a genealogy project: History Research Environment (HRE) On Sat, Sep 17, 2016 at 9:13 AM, Constance Chappell Horne < constancehorne@gmail.com> wrote: > > Subject: Announcing a genealogy project: History Research Environment > (HRE) Hi > > I am pleased to be able to tell you that work has been quietly > continuing for some time, and that today we are able to announce an > open source project to create a new program called HRE (History > Research Environment). It is our intention that HRE will be > compatible with existing TMG databases. > Wonderful. I just made a donation in pounds via paypal. I see nothing for comments on the website but I love the proposed screen shots. I just hope I live long enough to see this become functional Fred -- Fred Rump, 730 5th St. NW Naples, FL 34120 fredrump@gmail.com 239-775-7838 http://www.rumpfamily1.phanfare.com http://fredrump.blogspot.com http://www.facebook.com/fred.rump

Over the years, I have written many TMG sentences and timelines which I have freely shared with The TMG community. HRE has my permission to use any or all of those that would benefit the HRE community as well! Teresa Elliott > On Sep 17, 2016, at 8:13 AM, Constance Chappell Horne <constancehorne@gmail.com> wrote: > > One of our members cannot post due to rootweb issues so I am posting his > message for him. See below: > > ===================================== > > Subject: Announcing a genealogy project: History Research Environment (HRE) > Hi > > I am pleased to be able to tell you that work has been quietly continuing > for some time, and that today we are able to announce an open source > project to create a new program called HRE (History Research Environment). It > is our intention that HRE will be compatible with existing TMG databases. > > Over the past year or so a small team of experienced TMG users has been > preparing the ground for HRE. Our website and wiki are now live, and a > company (History Research Environment Ltd) has been registered to ensure > that we can properly handle project funds and deal with copyright and other > legal issues. > > HRE is being written from scratch, and will not directly use or copy the > program code within the Wholly Genes product TMG. However, we recognize > that in order to ensure compatibility with existing TMG user data, there > will necessarily be some similarities between TMG and HRE, including > underlying data structures, default sentence structures, modes of > operation, and potentially “look and feel”. > We are very pleased to be able to say that Wholly Genes (Bob Velke) has > kindly granted us permission to reuse any aspects of TMG (other than the > source code) for which they control the copyright. As HRE will be an > entirely new program, we have not sought permission to re-use or de-compile > TMG source code. Ownership of copyright in some elements of TMG, including > translations and some timelines, remains with the original authors and if > there is any benefit in our reusing such third-party content, we will make > separate arrangements. > We are most grateful to Bob for his generosity and encouragement in our > endeavour to build on his groundbreaking original work in event-driven > history research software. > A significant amount of work has already been done on the functionality and > design of HRE, and we are now ready to open the project to volunteer > developers who can help us develop HRE into a viable open source product > for free public release. > > In order for this project to succeed we will need to be able to attract > both funds and volunteers. > > If

On Sat, Sep 17, 2016 at 9:13 AM, Constance Chappell Horne < constancehorne@gmail.com> wrote: > > Subject: Announcing a genealogy project: History Research Environment (HRE) > Hi > > I am pleased to be able to tell you that work has been quietly continuing > for some time, and that today we are able to announce an open source > project to create a new program called HRE (History Research > Environment). It > is our intention that HRE will be compatible with existing TMG databases. > Wonderful. I just made a donation in pounds via paypal. I see nothing for comments on the website but I love the proposed screen shots. I just hope I live long enough to see this become functional Fred -- Fred Rump, 730 5th St. NW Naples, FL 34120 fredrump@gmail.com 239-775-7838 http://www.rumpfamily1.phanfare.com http://fredrump.blogspot.com http://www.facebook.com/fred.rump

Hi Lee and Walter My belated thanks for your advice on TMG and CrashPlan. I've been busily trying to get all of this to work. The additional discussion has been great. I did take Lee's advice and (tried) to find all thse TMG files to exclude them from the backup. In the process discovered that I have both TMG 7 and TMG 8 as well as 9 (currently using) on my computer. I have no idea why I left them on but will sort that out and remove them. I've been having a trouble just getting my first back-up done to CrashPlan - 5 days so far and still only half done. Have spent hours researching and adjusting settings to speed things up. Maybe my portable hard drives are not as inconvenient as I thought! Anyway, I'll report back once I've got a backup finally loaded to CrashPlan and will then doublecheck that I've excluded all the right TMG files. Will also try to understand the separate backup set for TMG as this seems to mean more than just the .sqz files. Ann -----Original Message----- From: TMG [mailto:tmg-bounces+annmcarson=gmail.com@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lee Hoffman/KY Sent: Saturday, 17 September 2016 8:25 AM To: The Master Genealogist Rootsweb Email List Subject: Re: [TMG] Managing TMG with CrashPlan At 9/16/2016 16:16, you wrote: >In view of the discussion of allowing CrashPlan to backup your TMG >database, I wrote to CrashPlan (Code42 Software) support specifically >asking about this. Below is their response. > >What I got from their response is that CrashPlan will not corrupt TMG >files but restoring the individual files could be problematic because >CrashPlan my save each file at a slightly different. To avoid this they >recommend creating a separate backup set in CrashPlan and schedule that >to run when TMG would not be in use. > >Of course you should also create a backup(s) within TMG and include >those files in any CrashPlan backup. > >Comments? This is consistent with how it has always been recommended here and in other TMG forums. This would be similar to most (all?) other large database management programs should be done. Such program keep many files open when the program is running and only writes changes to those files.

One of our members cannot post due to rootweb issues so I am posting his message for him. See below: ===================================== Subject: Announcing a genealogy project: History Research Environment (HRE) Hi I am pleased to be able to tell you that work has been quietly continuing for some time, and that today we are able to announce an open source project to create a new program called HRE (History Research Environment). It is our intention that HRE will be compatible with existing TMG databases. Over the past year or so a small team of experienced TMG users has been preparing the ground for HRE. Our website and wiki are now live, and a company (History Research Environment Ltd) has been registered to ensure that we can properly handle project funds and deal with copyright and other legal issues. HRE is being written from scratch, and will not directly use or copy the program code within the Wholly Genes product TMG. However, we recognize that in order to ensure compatibility with existing TMG user data, there will necessarily be some similarities between TMG and HRE, including underlying data structures, default sentence structures, modes of operation, and potentially “look and feel”. We are very pleased to be able to say that Wholly Genes (Bob Velke) has kindly granted us permission to reuse any aspects of TMG (other than the source code) for which they control the copyright. As HRE will be an entirely new program, we have not sought permission to re-use or de-compile TMG source code. Ownership of copyright in some elements of TMG, including translations and some timelines, remains with the original authors and if there is any benefit in our reusing such third-party content, we will make separate arrangements. We are most grateful to Bob for his generosity and encouragement in our endeavour to build on his groundbreaking original work in event-driven history research software. A significant amount of work has already been done on the functionality and design of HRE, and we are now ready to open the project to volunteer developers who can help us develop HRE into a viable open source product for free public release. In order for this project to succeed we will need to be able to attract both funds and volunteers. If you have skills that the project could make use of, please volunteer: https://historyresearchenvironment.org/become-a-volunteer/ If don't have skills in this area, or if you don't have time to help out, please make a monetary donation: https://historyresearchenvironment. org/donate <https://historyresearchenvironment.org/donate/>All donations are very gratefully received, and will be used solely for the purpose of advancing the HRE project. Thank you! Here are some useful links: Project website: https://historyresearchenvironment.org Volunteer skills required: https://historyresearchenvironment. org/become-a-volunteer/ Donate: https://historyresearchenvironment.org/donate/ Wiki: http://hrewiki.org/index.php?title=Main_Page With very best regards Robin ____________ Chairperson History Research Environment Ltd Disclaimer. HRE is an independent voluntary open source project. Wholly Genes, Inc., the developer of The Master Genealogist (‘TMG‘), is not directly involved in the HRE project and will not provide technical support nor assume any responsibility or liability for the project. All trademarks of Wholly Genes, Inc., including ‘Wholly Genes’, ‘TMG’, ‘The Master Genealogist’, ‘GenBridge’, ‘VCF’ and ‘Visual Chartform’ are acknowledged. Any use by the HRE project of these marks is by permission and is subject to the above disclaimer. __._,_.___ ------------------------------ Posted by: Robin Lamacraft <robin.lamacraft@internode.com.au> <robin.lamacraft@internode.com.au>

At 9/16/2016 19:37, you wrote: >Anyway, I'll report back once I've got a backup finally loaded to CrashPlan >and will then doublecheck that I've excluded all the right TMG files. Will >also try to understand the separate backup set for TMG as this seems to mean >more than just the .sqz files. Depending on what you include in the TMG Backup SQZ file, there may be other things or not. When you select to start the Backup wizard in TMG, in Step 1, you may choose one of three options (there may be more that you have added): 1. Backup ALL (the currently open project and all customizations) 2. Backup just the customizations. 3. Backup just the currently open project. These are the default options and for any of these, you may choose to make changes to the default and then save those as a fourth (or greater) option. Or you may choose to make changes and only use those changes once (e.g., not save the changes). Step 2 provides the means to choose the project to backup and the filename to be given the Backup SQZ file. Step 2 is where you choose what is included in the backup. There are three areas of options: (1) the project and project-related data, (2) Program configuration items, and (3) advanced program files. For the last two of these, the loss would be more of inconvenience than anything else as you could recreate them over time. It would be time-consuming and some things might not be exactly the same, but there would be no loss of any actual data. For the project and project-related data, only two might be called critical -- the project data files and any External Exhibits. Like the above item, Accents and Filters can be re-created and their loss would just be inconvenient. There may be reasons to backup only the configuration items (either all of them or just certain ones). Usually, this would be to share with a colleague or to copy to another computer. I usually select to backup only the project. This somewhat depends on how often I make changes to the various configurations. But, normally, I backup configurations either monthly or quarterly with and occasional added one here and there. Project backups come after each session if I have made any change to the project. Even just correcting the obvious spelling of a word in a comment will cause me to make a backup of that project. On the other hand, if all I have done is open the project, view certain data, and close the project, I won't do a backup. As for External Exhibits, I don;t always include them in my backups again depending on the amount of change I make in that area. Since these are outside the actual project, I include them in my other backups (outside TMG) and don't need to be as concerned as with the project itself. So, I include the External Exhibits in a Backup about monthly. This is more for convenience than anything else. A couple of things to keep in mind regarding backups (besides the security aspect that is). The more items included in a TMG Backup, the longer it will take to complete the backup. Conversely, if you are doing a recovery of TMG (and everything else) following a computer crash, a TMG Backup of everything is the quickest way to recovery insofar as TMG is concerned. That is, one SQZ file is less time-consuming than multiple SQZ files. Of course, if you have multiple projects, and all are full backups then you will want to tailor the Restore to a Full Restore on one project and maybe just the project Restores on other projects. In any case, outside of this, the only other thing (TMG-wise) that you want to backup is the TMG installation file, and your license information. I keep a CD of these two files in a safe place. An easy way, to save the license key information is to select Help from the main TMG menu and choose Technical Support. Then click on the [Trouble Report] button. This creates a text file called "trouble.txt" in the Logs folder that includes your license key information as well as information about your computer and the TMG installation. With this and your TMG Installation file (tmg9setup.exe or tmguk9setup.exe) on a CD (or other media) plus your Backup SQZ files, you are set to go. Lee

At 9/16/2016 16:16, you wrote: >In view of the discussion of allowing CrashPlan to backup your TMG database, >I wrote to CrashPlan (Code42 Software) support specifically asking about >this. Below is their response. > >What I got from their response is that CrashPlan will not corrupt TMG files >but restoring the individual files could be problematic because CrashPlan my >save each file at a slightly different. To avoid this they recommend >creating a separate backup set in CrashPlan and schedule that to run when >TMG would not be in use. > >Of course you should also create a backup(s) within TMG and include those >files in any CrashPlan backup. > >Comments? This is consistent with how it has always been recommended here and in other TMG forums. This would be similar to most (all?) other large database management programs should be done. Such program keep many files open when the program is running and only writes changes to those files. For example, if you add a Tag to a person in TMG, and click to close the Tag Entry Screen, TMG then writes to the related files (up to about a dozen -- the person, event, place, citation and possibly more) and only a single record to each file. Therefore a any one file might be backed up by non-TMG backup programs at a different time than related files. So, recovering the backup might give you the person and event databases with the updated record, but the place, citation, etc. databases might not have been updated. This is different than how other programs (say a word processor or spreadsheet) works. Those programs keep the full file in memory when the file is open. Then when the programs is close or told to save the document, the entire file is written at one time. Lee

In view of the discussion of allowing CrashPlan to backup your TMG database, I wrote to CrashPlan (Code42 Software) support specifically asking about this. Below is their response. What I got from their response is that CrashPlan will not corrupt TMG files but restoring the individual files could be problematic because CrashPlan my save each file at a slightly different. To avoid this they recommend creating a separate backup set in CrashPlan and schedule that to run when TMG would not be in use. Of course you should also create a backup(s) within TMG and include those files in any CrashPlan backup. Comments? Walter PS - I have added a few comments in brackets [] to aid in understanding what they wrote. --------------------------------------- Hello Walter, My name is Matthew and I am a technical support agent with Code42 Software. I understand that you are trying to backup a [TMG] FoxPro database. CrashPlan does not lock software from being written, as it works passively compared to other programs on your computer. CrashPlan does not affect your saved files in any way, although because this is a database, CrashPlan may run into stalling issues before it can effectively backup this information. While CrashPlan does try to back up VSS snapshots (shadow copies of files that are open in your Windows operating system), databases often cause problems for CrashPlan application until they are saved and closed. In short, CrashPlan does not risk corrupting your active database. Moreso, the active database stalls CrashPlan's backup. Another consideration is whether CrashPlan can back up a stable version of that database for restore. Without the correct settings, a restore of this database may not be functional. Vendor websites that handle database software sometimes have mentioned that CrashPlan is not a recommended software to use in conjunction with theirs for this reason. ________________________________________ However, there are a couple ways around this problem to ensure you can back up a functional version of your database for restore: . Have your CrashPlan application not back up your database files, but an area where you can create a "dump" [TMG created backup] of that database that CrashPlan can back up. . Configure CrashPlan to use Backup Sets, and prioritize one specifically to back up just your database. With the second option we would recommend doing the following: 1. Create separate backup sets for your main backup, and for your database backup. 2. Configure the database backup so that it is not configured to back up in real-time, nor backup open files. 3. Run it on a schedule sometime when that data is not in use. If you have any other questions about the above, feel free to get in contact with us, and we would be more than happy to assist you however we can! Best regards, Matthew Tier 1 Customer Champion Code42 Support -----Original Message----- From: TMG [mailto:tmg-bounces+walterwood44=gmail.com@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lee Hoffman/KY Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 11:12 PM To: The Master Genealogist Rootsweb Email List <tmg@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [TMG] Managing TMG with CrashPlan At 9/15/2016 16:34, you wrote: >There seems to be a possibility that Win 10 might be the source of some >of my TMG problems. Hmmm! Maybe. But, it is more likely some setting(s) either in Win10 or TMG or both. >Last night by manually moving files around I did get my main Project > loaded and made a TMG backup of it. > >Here is what I'm seeing inTMG. >I determined the following file paths. > >This PC\Documents\TMGv9\Projects\Sample > > Threre are no project files other than Sample. > > If I use the path: > >OS(C:)\Users\BobBlack\Documents\ > >This bring up the full list of documents. In the list is another >Document folder and it has only DCad22 and TMGv9. The first Document >folder has a Project folder that has all of my projects and I can >select the RPB main project file. One thing I did not mention is the settings in Preferences in TMG: - Programs Options=>General=>Default Project Path - Current Project Options=>Advanced The first tells TMG where to look for projects. By default, this is in the Projects folder on your User Data folder (often in the Documents folder). The second tells TMG where various files should be found/stored (including backups and reports among others. It sounds like the folder with your project is the old folder for TMG use. That should have remained, but in some cases got changed. In any case, check that the paths in Preferences are correctly set. The use TMG's File=>Copy Project to move the projects to the correct locations. After the move (and the project work correctly in the their new location, you can use the TMG File=>Delete Project to delete the now redundant old location project. > I went through the 2nd document folder that has TMG 9 and transferred >all of the files in the TMG v9 folder to the TMG v9 folder in the first >Document folder. I then deleted TMGv9 in the second Document folder. >Later it reappeared. This is because the Preferences setting are set to the second folder. >When I open TMG from the desktop it opens fine but when I try to select >a project my only available choice is Sample. Again, the Preferences setting. > The file path This PC\OS(C:)\Program Data\TMG v9\Projects\Projects >has all of my project files in the second Projects folder Set the Preferences file paths -- in this case, primarily the Program Options=>Default Project Path. Lee The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TMG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The Boston Area TMG user's group will meet this Saturday, 17 Sep, from 1-4 in Burlington on Commonwealth Executive Drive at the Patriot Energy/Mint Energy building. John Lucas will update the status of Robin Lamacroft's new program that hopefully will replace TMG. Everyone should bring their concerns, problems, and new ideas - we are open to all. I thought a discussion of sources might be interesting - I have been involved in census sources for the past many months, so my mind is heading in that direction.....but we could certainly use a review on all sources. Directions: Turn off 95/128 at exit 32B, Middlesex Tpke, heading towards Boston (away from the Burlington Mall). Immediate left onto Wheeler Road. Then first left (about 1/4 mile) onto Commonwealth Executive Drive. There is only one building, at the end of the road. Go in the front door, upstairs. The meeting will be on the left on the second floor. There is an elevator. If there are any last-minute questions my cell phone is 781-999-2451 Hope to see you - and remember, we have refreshments..... Linda Reinfeld

At 9/15/2016 16:34, you wrote: >There seems to be a possibility that Win 10 might be the source of some of >my TMG problems. Hmmm! Maybe. But, it is more likely some setting(s) either in Win10 or TMG or both. >Last night by manually moving files around I did get my main Project > loaded and made a TMG backup of it. > >Here is what I'm seeing inTMG. >I determined the following file paths. > >This PC\Documents\TMGv9\Projects\Sample > > Threre are no project files other than Sample. > > If I use the path: > >OS(C:)\Users\BobBlack\Documents\ > >This bring up the full list of documents. In the list is another Document >folder and it has only DCad22 and TMGv9. The first Document folder has a >Project folder that has all of my projects and I can select the RPB main >project file. One thing I did not mention is the settings in Preferences in TMG: - Programs Options=>General=>Default Project Path - Current Project Options=>Advanced The first tells TMG where to look for projects. By default, this is in the Projects folder on your User Data folder (often in the Documents folder). The second tells TMG where various files should be found/stored (including backups and reports among others. It sounds like the folder with your project is the old folder for TMG use. That should have remained, but in some cases got changed. In any case, check that the paths in Preferences are correctly set. The use TMG's File=>Copy Project to move the projects to the correct locations. After the move (and the project work correctly in the their new location, you can use the TMG File=>Delete Project to delete the now redundant old location project. > I went through the 2nd document folder that has TMG 9 and transferred all >of the files in the TMG v9 folder to the TMG v9 folder in the first >Document folder. I then deleted TMGv9 in the second Document folder. Later >it reappeared. This is because the Preferences setting are set to the second folder. >When I open TMG from the desktop it opens fine but when I try to select a >project my only available choice is Sample. Again, the Preferences setting. > The file path This PC\OS(C:)\Program Data\TMG v9\Projects\Projects has all >of my project files in the second Projects folder Set the Preferences file paths -- in this case, primarily the Program Options=>Default Project Path. Lee

Bob - The article below includes a link to an article explaining TMG's Data File storage system. You may find it helpful. It was written for v8 but is still applicable. http://www.whollygenes.com/forums201/index.php?/topic/14442-my-new-favorite-layout-customizing-the-workspace-in-v8/ The link to the Data File Storage article is in the 3d message in that thread, I believe. Virginia On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 4:26 PM, Lee Hoffman/KY <azchief@bellsouth.net> wrote: > At 9/14/2016 15:21, you wrote: >> >> Thanks for your response. Pardon my thank you being so slow but I just >> completed 15 day of antibiotics for respiratory problems and haven't done >> much of anything for the last couple of weeks. > > > That sure is a downer as I have dealt with the same thing in the recent > past. I expect you are still feeling the effects of it, but glad you're on > the road to recovery. > >> I'm trying to go about this in a systematic manner. I first compared the >> five locations you mentioned to what I find on my computer. First one on >> your list caused a question. >> >> First question. In my computer Program Files (x86) ­ this hasTMG v9, >> Program >> Files does not. Should I move TMMGv9 into Program Files? > > > For all practical purposes, these are the same thing. The Program Files > (x86) folder is used for programs that are 32-bit applications while the > Program Files folder [not x86] is for 64-bit application. This is a Windows > set-up to provide for smooth running of the 32-bit programs in a 64-bit > environment. TMG (or at least the latest versions) is a 32-bit program. > > Lee > > > The TMG archive is found here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ > Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TMG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message

I think Lee's advice was very timely for me. I took my desktop into Micro Center and had tech service look at my file organization problems. I'm running TMG v9 and Win10. The guy felt like the folder duplications I'm seeing might be a derivative of upgrading to Win 10. His advice, get a good backup and come back and he would try to solve my problem. Just before I bought and installed an online backup service I read this thread and put on the brakes. I'm not sure why I should exclude TMG from the backup but I pay attention to what Lee says. There seems to be a possibility that Win 10 might be the source of some of my TMG problems. Last night by manually moving files around I did get my main Project loaded and made a TMG backup of it. Here is what I'm seeing inTMG. I determined the following file paths. This PC\Documents\TMGv9\Projects\Sample Threre are no project files other than Sample. If I use the path: OS(C:)\Users\BobBlack\Documents\ This bring up the full list of documents. In the list is another Document folder and it has only DCad22 and TMGv9. The first Document folder has a Project folder that has all of my projects and I can select the RPB main project file. I went through the 2nd document folder that has TMG 9 and transferred all of the files in the TMG v9 folder to the TMG v9 folder in the first Document folder. I then deleted TMGv9 in the second Document folder. Later it reappeared. When I open TMG from the desktop it opens fine but when I try to select a project my only available choice is Sample. The file path This PC\OS(C:)\Program Data\TMG v9\Projects\Projects has all of my project files in the second Projects folder I'd like to get a backup program, run it ans see if Micro Center can solve my duplicate folder problem. My concern is that TMG seems to be scattered throught my computer and I might not exclude all of it from the backup process. Anybody see a path through the woods. Any comments and ideas will be appreciated. I plan to buy IDrive for the online backup. Regards, Bob Black On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 1:19 PM, Walter Wood <walterwood44@gmail.com> wrote: > Hello Ann, > > I have been using CrashPlan with TMG for 3 or 4 years without a problem. I > keep my TMG files (except for Backups) in my Documents directory and do not > exclude them from CrashPlan. During the time I have used CrashPlan with TMG > I have gone from Windows 7 to 8, 8.1 and now 10. > > I do have TMG save my backup files to OneDrive though. However, my OneDrive > folder is also backed up by CrashPlan so I get double backups. > > Walter > > -----Original Message----- > From: TMG [mailto:tmg-bounces+walterwood44=gmail.com@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf > Of Ann Shepherd > Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 5:23 PM > To: TMG@rootsweb.com > Subject: [TMG] Managing TMG with CrashPlan > > I've just purchased CrashPlan and want to use it as my main backup now > rather than the hard drive/s I've been using. > > > > What do I have to do to exclude TMG from the backups - or from the syncing? > At the moment I've just excluded everything with 'The Master Genealogist' > in > the file path. I'd certainly like to back up my .sqz files (10 > automatically > numbered/renewed by TMG). > > > > Thanks in advance > > > > Ann > > The TMG archive is found here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ > Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TMG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb. > ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ > Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb. > ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TMG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Thank you. On to the next step. bob On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 3:47 PM, <cjd@denbow.org> wrote: > > > Bob, > > > > Your TMG is installed in the correct directory. Program Files is for > 64-bit programs only, all others go in Program Files (x86). > > > > Carl > > > > > ==================================== Carl Jón Denbow 17 Coventry Lane > Athens, Ohio 45701-3718 (x-apple-data-detectors://0/1) (740) 592-2133 > (tel:(740)%20592-2133) (home) (740) 591-8471 (tel:(740)%20591-8471) > (mobile) http://www.denbow.org http://www.78ohio.org Paternal Lines: > DENBOW, EMMONS, GIGAX/GYGAX, HALDEMAN, HANLEY, ROSE, SHARP, SMITH, STEVENS, > TENNER/TANNER, TIPTON, THOMPSON, WILLIAMS. Maternal Lines: BJÖRNSON in > U.S., HURDAL in Canada (No surnames before 1870 in Old Country, traditional > Icelandic naming system used.) ==================================== > > > > > > This (https://itunes.apple.com/app/apple-store/id922793622?pt= > 814382&mt=8&ct=how_i_email) is how I Email now > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sep 14, 2016 at 3:21 PM, <Bob Black (mailto:blackbob31@gmail.com)> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi Lee, > > > > Thanks for your response. Pardon my thank you being so slow but I just > > completed 15 day of antibiotics for respiratory problems and haven't done > > much of anything for the last couple of weeks. > > > > I'm trying to go about this in a systematic manner. I first compared the > > five locations you mentioned to what I find on my computer. First one on > > your list caused a question. > > > > First question. In my computer Program Files (x86) – this hasTMG v9, > Program > > Files does not. Should I move TMMGv9 into Program Files? > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > Bob Black > > > > On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 4:46 PM, Lee Hoffman/KY <azchief@bellsouth.net > (mailto:azchief@bellsouth.net)> > > wrote: > > > > > At 8/30/2016 11:39, you wrote: > > > > > >> Would someone please tell me where TMG would be installed if I did a > new > > >> clean install? > > >> Would TMG have any files normally showing up in Documents? > > >> > > >> Please understand that I think this is fault of my file > organization. I > > >> don't think there is anything wrong with TMG. What I have now is TMG > v9 > > >> appearing in OS(C:)\Program Files\The Master Genealogist v9. > > >> > > >> TMG 9 also appears in the Program Data folder, same thing for the > > >> Documents > > >> Folder. > > >> > > >> I know it's a mess of my own creation but believe it or not it's > cleaner > > >> than it was. > > >> > > > > > > There are basically five locations in which TMG files may be located > based > > > on a default installation. Three of these are controlled by the user > based > > > on information found in the TMG Help topic "Data File Storage" (and > related > > > topics). > > > > > > The program files themselves are placed in the TMG folder of the > system > > > folder "Program Files". > > > > > > Then there is the folder "Program Data" which may have two sub-folders > > > related to TMG. One of these is TMG Installation and contains the > > > installation program file and the installation log. > > > > > > The other sub folder in the Program Data folder is what "Data File > > > Storage" calls "Shared Program Data" (SPD). These files are used by > the > > > program and mostly controlled from within TMG (TMG Help files, > dictionary > > > files, languages, etc.). > > > > > > There is also a folder of "User Program Data" (UPD) found in the > > > AppData/Roaming folder of your User's folder. This is mainly data > files > > > related to how you (the user) configure TMG. Each user on a computer > has > > > this folder and thus each may configure TMG differently without > affecting > > > other users. > > > > > > Finally there is the TMG "User Data" (UD) folder located in the > Documents > > > folder. Mostly, this is your data. It contains about ten sub-folders > > > including your project(s), backups, Exhibits, report configurations, > > > reports, and more. > > > > > > As noted, you pretty much have full control of where TMG is installed > as > > > described in the TMG Help. When the program is installed, the program > > > files are installed and certain other files. Then, when TMG is first > > > started, TMG sets up other files. If you have followed the > instructions in > > > TMG Help "Data File Storage" and created a small text file which TMG > sees > > > on the first start-up after installation then TMG locates the SPD, > UPD, and > > > UD folders/files according to the small text file. > > > > > > There is more to this than I have said, but this is the nutshell. > > > > > > Lee > > > > > > > > > The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ances > > > try.com/th/index/TMG/ (http://try.com/th/index/TMG/) > > > Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry > > > .com/index/other/Software/TMG.html > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > TMG-request@rootsweb.com (mailto:TMG-request@rootsweb.com) with > the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb. > ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ (http://archiver.rootsweb. > ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/Instructions) > > Instructions (http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ > Instructions) on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb. > ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html (http://lists.rootsweb. > ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html------------- > ------------------To) > > ------------------------------- (http://lists.rootsweb. > ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html------------- > ------------------To) > > To (http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/ > Software/TMG.html-------------------------------To) unsubscribe from the > list, please send an email to TMG-request@rootsweb.com (mailto: > TMG-request@rootsweb.com) with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb. > ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ > Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb. > ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TMG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >