Michael Hannah's list to Excel method may be the best for your purposes, Greg, but depending on my desired report options, I use either the Individual Narrative report or the Journal report when I want a point-to-point report. The former, with minimal tags included and sorted by birth date comes closest to what you want. You do need to add numbers to the individuals, though. I use the latter when I want each couple's children listed. The filter for either report is the following: (Is an Ancestor of ID # [?] AND Is a Descendant of ID # [?]) OR (ID number = [?] OR ID number = [?]) END Enter the endpoint descendant's ID number in lines 1 and 3 and the endpoint ancestor's number in lines 2 and 4. This filter can be used in Michael's LOP report, also. I think it's a little easier than setting flags. Note that I have not tested this with multiple lines back to the same ancestor. I know I must have some in my database, but I don't know of a quick way to find them. Susan Johnston On 2/17/2017 7:55 PM, Greg Cooke wrote: > Greetings, > > This ought to be child's play, Given I'm on Medicare, that's probably > why I can't figure it out. > > Can TMG produce a SIMPLE report showing the line of descent between > two people? For example, similar to the lines in G. B. Roberts' Royal > Descents of 600 Immigrants, or something akin to this: (copied from > soc.genealogy.medieval) that shows the descent of Thomas Dudley from > Llywellen ap Iowerth: > 1. Llywellen ap Iowerth > 2a. Margred verch Llywellen m. Walter de Clifford > 3a. Maud de Clifford m. John Giffard > 4a. Katherine Giffard m. Nicholas de Audley > 5a. Nicholas de Audley m. Joan Martin > 6a. Alice de Audley m. Hugh de Meynell > 7a. Isabel de Meynell m. Thomas de Shirley > 8a. Hugh Shirley m. Beatrice Brewes > 9a. Ralph Shirley m. Joan Basset > 10a. Beatrice Shirley m. John Brome > 11a. Isabel Brome m. John Denton > 12a. Alice Denton m. Nicholas Purefoy > 13a. Edward Purefoy m. Anne Fettiplace > 14a. Mary Purefoy m. Thomas Thorne > 15a. Susanna Thorne m. Roger Dudley > 16a. Thomas Dudley b.1576 immigrant > > More complicated, many gateway ancestors have multiple lines of > descent from a single person of note. Example, Rev. Wm Skepper has > multiple lines from the above Llywellen ap Iowerth. How do I get those > to show up on such a report? > > Minimal post processing is preferred: minimal white space, doesn't > need special formatting. Putting it in earliest to latest order would > be a big plus. > > Thanks > > Greg Cooke > The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ > Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TMG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

An afterthought on the Ahnentafel-Direct Line method. With a couple of additional simple post processing steps you can replace the Ahnentafel numbers with sequential numbers. Word's global replace command can delete all the Ahnentafel numbers as a group by searching for the wildcard string [0-9.]@ with font format Bold and replacing it with nothing. Remember to check the "Use wildcards" box. Then to add sequential numbers just choose one of the number formats in the Bullets and Numbering dialog. With a bit more post processing you can reverse the order of the list so earliest will be on top. This involves automatically converting the list to a Word table and adding a sequence number column using one of Word's field codes. There are a handful of steps to set this up but they process the entire list as a group, so there is no need to edit individual lines in the list. If you have any further interest in this method I'll be happy to provide details of the procedure. On 2/17/2017 10:07 PM, Donald Range wrote: > You can produce something close to your example with TMG's > Ahnentafel-Direct Line report, although it will use Ahnentafel > numbering rather than the sequential numbers you show and the order is > latest to earliest. To make the report look close to yours, change the > global marriage tag type sentence to [P] m. [PO] and set the report > options to Selected Tags, including only the marriage tag. The > resulting report looks pretty much like yours except for white space > and generation markers like "--- 3rd Generation ---". By sending the > report to Word you can quickly remove all the generation markers with > a global replacement of all center-aligned paragraphs with nothing. A > second global replace step which replaces all pairs of paragraph marks > with nothing will remove all the white space. It's only a few seconds > of post processing. I don't know how this would handle multiple lines > of descent. > > On 2/17/2017 6:55 PM, Greg Cooke wrote: >> Greetings, >> >> This ought to be child's play, Given I'm on Medicare, that's probably >> why I can't figure it out. >> >> Can TMG produce a SIMPLE report showing the line of descent between >> two people? For example, similar to the lines in G. B. Roberts' Royal >> Descents of 600 Immigrants, or something akin to this: (copied from >> soc.genealogy.medieval) that shows the descent of Thomas Dudley from >> Llywellen ap Iowerth: >> 1. Llywellen ap Iowerth >> 2a. Margred verch Llywellen m. Walter de Clifford >> 3a. Maud de Clifford m. John Giffard >> 4a. Katherine Giffard m. Nicholas de Audley >> 5a. Nicholas de Audley m. Joan Martin >> 6a. Alice de Audley m. Hugh de Meynell >> 7a. Isabel de Meynell m. Thomas de Shirley >> 8a. Hugh Shirley m. Beatrice Brewes >> 9a. Ralph Shirley m. Joan Basset >> 10a. Beatrice Shirley m. John Brome >> 11a. Isabel Brome m. John Denton >> 12a. Alice Denton m. Nicholas Purefoy >> 13a. Edward Purefoy m. Anne Fettiplace >> 14a. Mary Purefoy m. Thomas Thorne >> 15a. Susanna Thorne m. Roger Dudley >> 16a. Thomas Dudley b.1576 immigrant >> >> More complicated, many gateway ancestors have multiple lines of >> descent from a single person of note. Example, Rev. Wm Skepper has >> multiple lines from the above Llywellen ap Iowerth. How do I get those >> to show up on such a report? >> >> Minimal post processing is preferred: minimal white space, doesn't >> need special formatting. Putting it in earliest to latest order would >> be a big plus. >> >> > >

Greg Cooke replied: > The goal is to eliminate all the formatting, extra space, etc.-- > for example, compress a 15 generation lineage to fifteen lines. Either method can do this, and both require editing of the basic report produced. > Also, the relationship chart doesn't show alternative lines of > descent-- Not true. The Relationship Chart in the final V9.5 will show all alternative lines. (Some earlier versions did not.) But you have to be sure to not select either of the two Report Options on the Miscellaneous Tab ("Closest relationship only" and "direct drop") to be sure to get all the alternative lines. I would also suggest that the Names tab select "No caps" and "None" for identifiers, In fact, if you really are interested in all the alternative lines (which I did not realize), then I would actually recommend the Relationship Chart that Paul mentioned in favor of the method I suggested. I would output the report twice: once as a chart so that you can visually refer to it when doing your post editing, and once as "unformatted text" as the file you would edit to make the desired list. For each person in that text file there will be separate lines for: Name, birth date, birth location, death date, death location, marriage date, marriage location Then the spouse will follow with their name beginning with a '+'. So to get the list you want, Greg, you simply have to delete the extra information which the chart produces, and then number each line appropriately based on the alternate lines you see in the chart form. Michael

Paul Lawrence commented: > Am I missing something? Isn't what is being requested simply > the standard Relationship chart between to individuals??? Well, yes and no, Paul. Yes, it will output the desired people and the appropriate spouse, and if the Report Definition options on the Miscellaneous tab are selected to show "Closest relationship only" and "direct drop" it will avoid showing any multiple relationship paths which may exist. But... There are no options to restrict the output to only the data Greg asked for. And most of the output methods produce a graphic chart, not a list. One could output the Relationship Chart as unformatted text and then delete the text which was not desired and reformat the rest to produce the desired list. Whether that is less work to produce only the list desired is a matter of opinion. For a relationship path with multiple spouses and multiple paths it probably would be less work. For a lengthy but straightforward relationship path I am not so sure. But you are completely correct that the purpose of the Relationship Chart is to show exactly such a direct line of descent. Michael

The goal is to eliminate all the formatting, extra space, etc.-- for example, compress a 15 generation lineage to fifteen lines. Also, the relationship chart doesn't show alternative lines of descent--example: Thomas Bradbury is the 13th, 14th, & 15th great gr child of Llywelyn ap Iowerth. The relationship chart doesn't show those other two direct direct descents, other than the shortest. I've unchecked the option to show the closest relationship only, but that doesn't give the longer, additional descents. Michael's method at least gives those extra people which I can then sort in Excel. Probably the best I can hope for. On Sat, Feb 18, 2017 at 2:17 PM, Paul E. Lawrence <paul@lawrencefamhis.com> wrote: > Am I missing something? Isn't what is being requested simply the standard > Relationship chart between to individuals??? > > > On 2/18/2017 11:34 AM, Michael J Hannah wrote: >> >> Greg Cooke wondered: >>> >>> Given I'm on Medicare, that's probably >>> why I can't figure it out. >> >> >> So have I been for some time <grin> >> >>> Can TMG produce a SIMPLE report showing the line of descent between >>> two people? >> >> >> I think your request is in two separate parts: >> >> a) identifying the people who are in a direct line from Ancestor X to >> Descendant Y >> >> b) generating the simplified report. >> >> I think it is simpler if you do each step separately. >> Two temporary Flags, three simple separate List of People (LOP) reports, >> plus editing the final report using a spreadsheet should do the trick. >> >> For a) I would create a temporary FLAG (e.g. ANC) with N as default. >> Now run a LOP report with a Filter of: >> Is an Ancestor // of ID # // (Y's ID) // END >> In the Report Options set the Secondary Output to Change Flag ANC to Y. >> >> Now create a temporary FLAG (e.g. DES) with N as default. >> Run a second LOP report with a Filter of: >> Is a Descendant // of ID # // (X's ID) // END >> In the Report Options set the Secondary Output to Change Flag DES to Y. >> >> For b) run a third LOP report with the compound Filter of: >> ANC // = EQUALS // Y // AND >> DES // = EQUALS // Y // END >> That will filter for the people on a direct line. >> >> In the Options I would have at least the Output Columns of: >> >> Name Group* tag; Given Last Names >> Spouse's Name Group* tag; Given Last Names >> Birth Group* tag; Date >> # of Spouses >> >> I would sort on the birth date so they are ordered from eldest to >> youngest. I would also save the report to a Comma Separated Value (CSV) >> file for input to a spreadsheet for minor reformatting. >> >> One problem may occur if there are multiple paths of descendancy. You >> could tell this using TMG's Relationship calculator or Relationship Chart >> for X and Y. You would then have to examine the list and decide if you want >> to include all paths, or if you want to delete some people to only leave one >> path. If the former you may have to resort or chose some kind of numbering >> when editing the spreadsheet file to indicate the separate paths shown by a >> Relationship Chart. If the latter, for a person to be deleted change one of >> the FLAGs to 'N' and rerun the LOP. >> >> A final problem with this report could come from the spouse's name if a >> person in the direct line had more than one spouse, which will be indicated >> by that column in the report. You should check those direct line people and >> possibly do the trick of making the appropriate spouse Primary using the >> Tree View to ensure the report lists the correct spouse who begat the direct >> child. If you have to make any changes in Primary spouses, just rerun the >> report. >> >> In most cases probably neither of these issues will occur. >> >> Import the CSV file to a spreadsheet program (e.g. Excel). Now delete the >> birth date and spouse count columns which are not desired in the final >> report. Add a column in front which numbers the rows, possibly indicating >> multiple paths. Add a column between the person's name and their spouse >> with the text "m. ". Now simply print the rows which should produce the >> simple report you asked for. >> >> Takes longer to explain than it probably will to generate the report. >> >> Hope this gives you ideas, >> >> Michael >> The TMG archive is found here: >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ >> Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: >> http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> TMG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in >> the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > The TMG archive is found here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ > Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TMG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message

Am I missing something? Isn't what is being requested simply the standard Relationship chart between to individuals??? On 2/18/2017 11:34 AM, Michael J Hannah wrote: > Greg Cooke wondered: >> Given I'm on Medicare, that's probably >> why I can't figure it out. > > So have I been for some time <grin> > >> Can TMG produce a SIMPLE report showing the line of descent between >> two people? > > I think your request is in two separate parts: > > a) identifying the people who are in a direct line from Ancestor X to > Descendant Y > > b) generating the simplified report. > > I think it is simpler if you do each step separately. > Two temporary Flags, three simple separate List of People (LOP) > reports, plus editing the final report using a spreadsheet should do > the trick. > > For a) I would create a temporary FLAG (e.g. ANC) with N as default. > Now run a LOP report with a Filter of: > Is an Ancestor // of ID # // (Y's ID) // END > In the Report Options set the Secondary Output to Change Flag ANC to Y. > > Now create a temporary FLAG (e.g. DES) with N as default. > Run a second LOP report with a Filter of: > Is a Descendant // of ID # // (X's ID) // END > In the Report Options set the Secondary Output to Change Flag DES to Y. > > For b) run a third LOP report with the compound Filter of: > ANC // = EQUALS // Y // AND > DES // = EQUALS // Y // END > That will filter for the people on a direct line. > > In the Options I would have at least the Output Columns of: > > Name Group* tag; Given Last Names > Spouse's Name Group* tag; Given Last Names > Birth Group* tag; Date > # of Spouses > > I would sort on the birth date so they are ordered from eldest to > youngest. I would also save the report to a Comma Separated Value > (CSV) file for input to a spreadsheet for minor reformatting. > > One problem may occur if there are multiple paths of descendancy. You > could tell this using TMG's Relationship calculator or Relationship > Chart for X and Y. You would then have to examine the list and decide > if you want to include all paths, or if you want to delete some people > to only leave one path. If the former you may have to resort or chose > some kind of numbering when editing the spreadsheet file to indicate > the separate paths shown by a Relationship Chart. If the latter, for > a person to be deleted change one of the FLAGs to 'N' and rerun the LOP. > > A final problem with this report could come from the spouse's name if > a person in the direct line had more than one spouse, which will be > indicated by that column in the report. You should check those direct > line people and possibly do the trick of making the appropriate spouse > Primary using the Tree View to ensure the report lists the correct > spouse who begat the direct child. If you have to make any changes in > Primary spouses, just rerun the report. > > In most cases probably neither of these issues will occur. > > Import the CSV file to a spreadsheet program (e.g. Excel). Now delete > the birth date and spouse count columns which are not desired in the > final report. Add a column in front which numbers the rows, possibly > indicating multiple paths. Add a column between the person's name and > their spouse with the text "m. ". Now simply print the rows which > should produce the simple report you asked for. > > Takes longer to explain than it probably will to generate the report. > > Hope this gives you ideas, > > Michael > The TMG archive is found here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ > Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TMG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Greg Cooke wondered: > Given I'm on Medicare, that's probably > why I can't figure it out. So have I been for some time <grin> > Can TMG produce a SIMPLE report showing the line of descent between > two people? I think your request is in two separate parts: a) identifying the people who are in a direct line from Ancestor X to Descendant Y b) generating the simplified report. I think it is simpler if you do each step separately. Two temporary Flags, three simple separate List of People (LOP) reports, plus editing the final report using a spreadsheet should do the trick. For a) I would create a temporary FLAG (e.g. ANC) with N as default. Now run a LOP report with a Filter of: Is an Ancestor // of ID # // (Y's ID) // END In the Report Options set the Secondary Output to Change Flag ANC to Y. Now create a temporary FLAG (e.g. DES) with N as default. Run a second LOP report with a Filter of: Is a Descendant // of ID # // (X's ID) // END In the Report Options set the Secondary Output to Change Flag DES to Y. For b) run a third LOP report with the compound Filter of: ANC // = EQUALS // Y // AND DES // = EQUALS // Y // END That will filter for the people on a direct line. In the Options I would have at least the Output Columns of: Name Group* tag; Given Last Names Spouse's Name Group* tag; Given Last Names Birth Group* tag; Date # of Spouses I would sort on the birth date so they are ordered from eldest to youngest. I would also save the report to a Comma Separated Value (CSV) file for input to a spreadsheet for minor reformatting. One problem may occur if there are multiple paths of descendancy. You could tell this using TMG's Relationship calculator or Relationship Chart for X and Y. You would then have to examine the list and decide if you want to include all paths, or if you want to delete some people to only leave one path. If the former you may have to resort or chose some kind of numbering when editing the spreadsheet file to indicate the separate paths shown by a Relationship Chart. If the latter, for a person to be deleted change one of the FLAGs to 'N' and rerun the LOP. A final problem with this report could come from the spouse's name if a person in the direct line had more than one spouse, which will be indicated by that column in the report. You should check those direct line people and possibly do the trick of making the appropriate spouse Primary using the Tree View to ensure the report lists the correct spouse who begat the direct child. If you have to make any changes in Primary spouses, just rerun the report. In most cases probably neither of these issues will occur. Import the CSV file to a spreadsheet program (e.g. Excel). Now delete the birth date and spouse count columns which are not desired in the final report. Add a column in front which numbers the rows, possibly indicating multiple paths. Add a column between the person's name and their spouse with the text "m. ". Now simply print the rows which should produce the simple report you asked for. Takes longer to explain than it probably will to generate the report. Hope this gives you ideas, Michael

This worked just wonderful, a lot less complicated than I imagined Many thanks to all who responded Alexander -----Original Message----- From: TMG [mailto:tmg-bounces+awpayne=outlook.com@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Terry Reigel Sent: February 16, 2017 20:32 To: The Master Genealogist Rootsweb Email List <tmg@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [TMG] Export a Family from Project On 2/16/2017 6:49 PM, Alexander Payne wrote: > I need the main project to remain in tack, thus I need to copy these > persons to the new project Alexander, If the objective is to copy the target persons to a new project, you identify them either with a Flag as David described or in a Focus Group, then create a new Project with only them in it with the Secondary Output of the List of People Report. I think the Focus Group method is the simplest. Start with an empty FG, and Add the starting person. In the Add Others box check Ancestors and set the number of Generations higher than the number in your project. Make sure the person in the FG is selected (highlighted) and click the Add Others button. That gives you all the ancestors of the starting person. Next un-check the Ancestors box and check the Descendants box, again setting the number of generations appropriately. Click the Select All button to select everyone already in the FG, and then click the Add Others button. You now have all the descendants of all those ancestors. Un-check the Descendants box and check the Spouses box. Again click the Select All then the Add Others button. You now have all the spouses of the ancestors and their descendants. You can now use the FG in the List of People report to create the new Project. Terry Reigel The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TMG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

You can produce something close to your example with TMG's Ahnentafel-Direct Line report, although it will use Ahnentafel numbering rather than the sequential numbers you show and the order is latest to earliest. To make the report look close to yours, change the global marriage tag type sentence to [P] m. [PO] and set the report options to Selected Tags, including only the marriage tag. The resulting report looks pretty much like yours except for white space and generation markers like "--- 3rd Generation ---". By sending the report to Word you can quickly remove all the generation markers with a global replacement of all center-aligned paragraphs with nothing. A second global replace step which replaces all pairs of paragraph marks with nothing will remove all the white space. It's only a few seconds of post processing. I don't know how this would handle multiple lines of descent. On 2/17/2017 6:55 PM, Greg Cooke wrote: > Greetings, > > This ought to be child's play, Given I'm on Medicare, that's probably > why I can't figure it out. > > Can TMG produce a SIMPLE report showing the line of descent between > two people? For example, similar to the lines in G. B. Roberts' Royal > Descents of 600 Immigrants, or something akin to this: (copied from > soc.genealogy.medieval) that shows the descent of Thomas Dudley from > Llywellen ap Iowerth: > 1. Llywellen ap Iowerth > 2a. Margred verch Llywellen m. Walter de Clifford > 3a. Maud de Clifford m. John Giffard > 4a. Katherine Giffard m. Nicholas de Audley > 5a. Nicholas de Audley m. Joan Martin > 6a. Alice de Audley m. Hugh de Meynell > 7a. Isabel de Meynell m. Thomas de Shirley > 8a. Hugh Shirley m. Beatrice Brewes > 9a. Ralph Shirley m. Joan Basset > 10a. Beatrice Shirley m. John Brome > 11a. Isabel Brome m. John Denton > 12a. Alice Denton m. Nicholas Purefoy > 13a. Edward Purefoy m. Anne Fettiplace > 14a. Mary Purefoy m. Thomas Thorne > 15a. Susanna Thorne m. Roger Dudley > 16a. Thomas Dudley b.1576 immigrant > > More complicated, many gateway ancestors have multiple lines of > descent from a single person of note. Example, Rev. Wm Skepper has > multiple lines from the above Llywellen ap Iowerth. How do I get those > to show up on such a report? > > Minimal post processing is preferred: minimal white space, doesn't > need special formatting. Putting it in earliest to latest order would > be a big plus. > >

Greetings, This ought to be child's play, Given I'm on Medicare, that's probably why I can't figure it out. Can TMG produce a SIMPLE report showing the line of descent between two people? For example, similar to the lines in G. B. Roberts' Royal Descents of 600 Immigrants, or something akin to this: (copied from soc.genealogy.medieval) that shows the descent of Thomas Dudley from Llywellen ap Iowerth: 1. Llywellen ap Iowerth 2a. Margred verch Llywellen m. Walter de Clifford 3a. Maud de Clifford m. John Giffard 4a. Katherine Giffard m. Nicholas de Audley 5a. Nicholas de Audley m. Joan Martin 6a. Alice de Audley m. Hugh de Meynell 7a. Isabel de Meynell m. Thomas de Shirley 8a. Hugh Shirley m. Beatrice Brewes 9a. Ralph Shirley m. Joan Basset 10a. Beatrice Shirley m. John Brome 11a. Isabel Brome m. John Denton 12a. Alice Denton m. Nicholas Purefoy 13a. Edward Purefoy m. Anne Fettiplace 14a. Mary Purefoy m. Thomas Thorne 15a. Susanna Thorne m. Roger Dudley 16a. Thomas Dudley b.1576 immigrant More complicated, many gateway ancestors have multiple lines of descent from a single person of note. Example, Rev. Wm Skepper has multiple lines from the above Llywellen ap Iowerth. How do I get those to show up on such a report? Minimal post processing is preferred: minimal white space, doesn't need special formatting. Putting it in earliest to latest order would be a big plus. Thanks Greg Cooke

Mr. Payne, Use focus groups to start from a person and acquire ancestors and their spouses. Identify the end of line ancestors yourself. Then add the descendants of each end of line ancestors, one end of line ancestor at a time. Export the final focus group to a new project. This will take some work, but seems doable. Ed Feustel The trouble is, you think you have time . . . JACK KORNFIELD On 2017-02-16 18:05, Alexander Payne wrote: > > I have a large data set that I want to extract a family to another project. > A person plus all ancestors with spouses, then all descendants of the end of line ancestors with spouses. > Is this due able > > Alexander Payne > > > The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ > Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TMG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I need the main project to remain in tack, thus I need to copy these persons to the new project Thank You Alexander -----Original Message----- From: TMG [mailto:tmg-bounces+awpayne=outlook.com@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of David Ball Sent: February 16, 2017 19:55 To: 'The Master Genealogist Rootsweb Email List' <tmg@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [TMG] Export a Family from Project Alexander, This can be done in two ways.....either creation of a focus group (others can explain that option, but it will be fairly similar to what is below) or marking people to be copied with a FLAG and then creating a new project with those people. Be careful to think through the impact of each step, especially if you are actually intending to extract these people from your main Project, rather than just making a copy of them in a new Project. I have always just made a copy and left my main Project alone. Extract of Subset of a Project The following are the steps needed to extract the people appropriate from the main project. The same process works for extracting a subset COPY of the main project to send to someone else. The following is designed to extract all the descendants of a branch head, but can be modified to do the same for all of the ancestors of one person. . "File", "Flag Manager", "Add", "Label" enter EXPORT, click on "OK". Use the default settings. . Go to the head of each line that needs to be extracted from the file and manually change that person's EXPORT flag to "Y" . Run the List of People report that can be called "export to a new project" . Filter conditions include: EXPORT = Equals Y END . For the initial runs of the report at the bottom of the filter conditions check the "Spouses" box and the "Descendants" box and enter "20" in the "generations" box. Leave the "Ancestors box unchecked. Click on "OK". . Click on the "Options" button at the lower left of the Report Definition Screen. Click on "Secondary Output", "Change Flag", and enter "EXPORT" and "Y" (both without the quotation marks). Check "Suppress output to screen, file, and printer". Click on "OK". . Click on "Create Report", answer "Yes" to change the flag for those that met the filter, "No" to change the last edit date, and "OK". As the filter is applied there is a progress screen that shows whether new people are meeting the filter criteria. Rerun the same LOP report until there are no new people added that need to have their flag changed to "Y". This process continues to find spouses, other marriages of those spouses, and step-children and their descendants, etc. . Run the same LOP report, but when the Report Definition Screen comes up, click "Edit", uncheck both the "Spouses" box and the "Descendants" box, and now check the "Ancestors" box and enter "1" in the "generations" box. Click on "OK". . Again, Click on "Create Report", answer "Yes" to change the flag for those that met the filter, "No" to change the last edit date, and "OK. Run this configuration only once to locate all of the parents of all spouses. This will also mark the parents of the original starting person(s), so it may be necessary to manually go in and change the EXPORT flag for them back to "?" or "N", if they are not intended for the new file. . Run the same LOP report, but when the Report Definition Screen comes up, click "Edit", uncheck the "Ancestors" box. Click on "OK". . Click on the "Options" button at the lower left of the Report Definition Screen. Click on "Secondary Output". Uncheck the "Change Flag" box and check "Create New Project". Enter the name of the new project that will only contain to people whose EXPORT flag equals "Y". Click "OK" and "Create Report" and create the new project. . So that the next running of any LOP report doesn't try to create a new project, run the same LOP report, click on the "Options" button at the lower left of the Report Definition Screen. Click on "Secondary Output". Uncheck the "Create New Project" and the "Suppress output to screen, file, and printer", if needed. Click "OK" and "Save Settings". Hope this helps, Dave Ball Compiler of the New England Ball Project -----Original Message----- From: TMG [mailto:tmg-bounces+dgballtmg=shaw.ca@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Alexander Payne Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 3:06 PM To: The Master Genealogist Rootsweb Email List Subject: [TMG] Export a Family from Project I have a large data set that I want to extract a family to another project. A person plus all ancestors with spouses, then all descendants of the end of line ancestors with spouses. Is this due able Alexander Payne The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TMG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TMG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have a large data set that I want to extract a family to another project. A person plus all ancestors with spouses, then all descendants of the end of line ancestors with spouses. Is this due able Alexander Payne

At 10:39 AM 2/16/2017, Terry Reigel wrote: >My other new peripheral is a keyboard. For may years I have used >keyboards with the 10 function keys on the left of the main keys, in >addition to those across the top. I early on found this very useful >with TMG - being able to access the Search, Repeat, Edit, and Close >keys (F2, F3, F4, F5, and F9) without having to find them on the top >row (where I never learned touch type them) was a big help. With the >keys on the side I found I learned easily to use them by touch. >Sadly, this key arrangement has been increasingly difficult to find, >and now seems to be nearly impossible. While I've not made use of the [m] keys, I've been using a Razer BlackWidow Ultimate 2013 for years. I have NOT connected the second half of the cable (USB/audio). The (then new) Dell computer came with a very cheap chiclet type keyboard which I refused to use. I was very happy to encounter a keyboard with real key clicks (since it uses the old style electrical fingers for contacts, and double-injection molded keys -- instead of bubble membranes with conductive foam and decals). They've been feeding me adverts for the new version... Instead of plain green back-light (which I've toned down to a low level -- how any one can operated with a keyboard that cycles from dim to bright and back I don't know) the new variant backlight spans the spectrum from red on the left to violet on the right... (and I wouldn't be surprised if it had a mode that scrolled the rainbow). -- bieber.genealogy@earthlink.net Dennis Lee Bieber HTTP://home.earthlink.net/~bieber.genealogy/

On 2/16/2017 6:49 PM, Alexander Payne wrote: > I need the main project to remain in tack, thus I need to copy these persons to the new project Alexander, If the objective is to copy the target persons to a new project, you identify them either with a Flag as David described or in a Focus Group, then create a new Project with only them in it with the Secondary Output of the List of People Report. I think the Focus Group method is the simplest. Start with an empty FG, and Add the starting person. In the Add Others box check Ancestors and set the number of Generations higher than the number in your project. Make sure the person in the FG is selected (highlighted) and click the Add Others button. That gives you all the ancestors of the starting person. Next un-check the Ancestors box and check the Descendants box, again setting the number of generations appropriately. Click the Select All button to select everyone already in the FG, and then click the Add Others button. You now have all the descendants of all those ancestors. Un-check the Descendants box and check the Spouses box. Again click the Select All then the Add Others button. You now have all the spouses of the ancestors and their descendants. You can now use the FG in the List of People report to create the new Project. Terry Reigel

Alexander, This can be done in two ways.....either creation of a focus group (others can explain that option, but it will be fairly similar to what is below) or marking people to be copied with a FLAG and then creating a new project with those people. Be careful to think through the impact of each step, especially if you are actually intending to extract these people from your main Project, rather than just making a copy of them in a new Project. I have always just made a copy and left my main Project alone. Extract of Subset of a Project The following are the steps needed to extract the people appropriate from the main project. The same process works for extracting a subset COPY of the main project to send to someone else. The following is designed to extract all the descendants of a branch head, but can be modified to do the same for all of the ancestors of one person. . "File", "Flag Manager", "Add", "Label" enter EXPORT, click on "OK". Use the default settings. . Go to the head of each line that needs to be extracted from the file and manually change that person's EXPORT flag to "Y" . Run the List of People report that can be called "export to a new project" . Filter conditions include: EXPORT = Equals Y END . For the initial runs of the report at the bottom of the filter conditions check the "Spouses" box and the "Descendants" box and enter "20" in the "generations" box. Leave the "Ancestors box unchecked. Click on "OK". . Click on the "Options" button at the lower left of the Report Definition Screen. Click on "Secondary Output", "Change Flag", and enter "EXPORT" and "Y" (both without the quotation marks). Check "Suppress output to screen, file, and printer". Click on "OK". . Click on "Create Report", answer "Yes" to change the flag for those that met the filter, "No" to change the last edit date, and "OK". As the filter is applied there is a progress screen that shows whether new people are meeting the filter criteria. Rerun the same LOP report until there are no new people added that need to have their flag changed to "Y". This process continues to find spouses, other marriages of those spouses, and step-children and their descendants, etc. . Run the same LOP report, but when the Report Definition Screen comes up, click "Edit", uncheck both the "Spouses" box and the "Descendants" box, and now check the "Ancestors" box and enter "1" in the "generations" box. Click on "OK". . Again, Click on "Create Report", answer "Yes" to change the flag for those that met the filter, "No" to change the last edit date, and "OK. Run this configuration only once to locate all of the parents of all spouses. This will also mark the parents of the original starting person(s), so it may be necessary to manually go in and change the EXPORT flag for them back to "?" or "N", if they are not intended for the new file. . Run the same LOP report, but when the Report Definition Screen comes up, click "Edit", uncheck the "Ancestors" box. Click on "OK". . Click on the "Options" button at the lower left of the Report Definition Screen. Click on "Secondary Output". Uncheck the "Change Flag" box and check "Create New Project". Enter the name of the new project that will only contain to people whose EXPORT flag equals "Y". Click "OK" and "Create Report" and create the new project. . So that the next running of any LOP report doesn't try to create a new project, run the same LOP report, click on the "Options" button at the lower left of the Report Definition Screen. Click on "Secondary Output". Uncheck the "Create New Project" and the "Suppress output to screen, file, and printer", if needed. Click "OK" and "Save Settings". Hope this helps, Dave Ball Compiler of the New England Ball Project -----Original Message----- From: TMG [mailto:tmg-bounces+dgballtmg=shaw.ca@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Alexander Payne Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 3:06 PM To: The Master Genealogist Rootsweb Email List Subject: [TMG] Export a Family from Project I have a large data set that I want to extract a family to another project. A person plus all ancestors with spouses, then all descendants of the end of line ancestors with spouses. Is this due able Alexander Payne The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TMG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Like Terry, I use a M705 mouse which has programmable buttons. When doing TMG data entry F2 and F3 are among my most common actions, and I programmed the mouse to provide these functions. A click of the scroll wheel issues F3 when running TMG, and this does not interfere with its normal scrolling function. Holding down the Control key when clicking the scroll wheel brings up the most recent 15 entries just as if the F3 key had been pressed on the keyboard. I have both the forward and back buttons on the side of the mouse set to issue F2 when running TMG because I don't have to be precise about where on the side I'm pressing. Having the F2 and F3 functions available on the mouse is very helpful to me. On 2/16/2017 7:39 AM, Terry Reigel wrote: > I've recently come to replace two mainstay peripherals to my computer > - my mouse and keyboard - and have found some features available that > are helpful to my use of TMG and Second Site. I thought I'd describe > what I've found for other users who might find this of interest. > > First, the mouse. I've been using for several years a mouse with > "Forward" and "Back" buttons on the side, designed to serve the > functions of the similar buttons on all web browsers. Instead of > having to move the cursor to those on-screen buttons you simply > squeeze the button with the thumb or finger already on the mouse to > view the following or preceding webpage. I found this very handy when > searching for online data, and when editing my website created with > Second Site. > > But there is more. The software associated with the mouse allows one > to use the same buttons for different purposes with other > applications. They can be used to move between pages in a PDF viewer > or a word processor, for example. And while TMG doesn't have a real > forward/back function, the buttons can be set to trigger the "Previous > Person" function, so you can switch easily between the last two > persons. I've gotten very used to this feature. > > These two buttons have been commonly available for some years. If your > mouse has them and you haven't made use of them - try it out for a few > days. I think you will become as addicted to their use as I have. > > My new mouse, a Logitech M705, has another feature I find very useful. > Logitech calls it "Hyper-fast scrolling." What it really is is a mode > in which the scroll wheel is free to spin. You give it a swipe and it > spins several revolutions, allowing you to quickly scroll several > pages worth of a long document or webpage. I have found that very > useful in viewing online data and in editing my website in Second > Site. Several Logitech models have this feature, but I don't know > whether other brands offer it. With mice as inexpensive as they on > places like Amazon there is little reason not try out new models. > > My other new peripheral is a keyboard. For may years I have used > keyboards with the 10 function keys on the left of the main keys, in > addition to those across the top. I early on found this very useful > with TMG - being able to access the Search, Repeat, Edit, and Close > keys (F2, F3, F4, F5, and F9) without having to find them on the top > row (where I never learned touch type them) was a big help. With the > keys on the side I found I learned easily to use them by touch. Sadly, > this key arrangement has been increasingly difficult to find, and now > seems to be nearly impossible. > > However, a number of keyboards designed for gaming have five or so > buttons on the left which can be programmed to deliver any keystroke > or string. Since I only use five of the ten function keys for TMG this > has proven to be a very satisfactory solution. It really helps speed > up data entry in TMG. > > These gaming keyboards have a variety of specialized key mechanisms, > each with a quite different "feel" when typing on them. Personal > preference is probably important in selecting one that feels right to > a user. I used a Razer BlackWidow for several years and never got used > to it's feel - I ended up with lots of extraneous "l's" in my text > because my "L-finger" seems to rest too heavily on that key. > > I recently purchased a Logitech G910 which works better for me. It > also has four additional programmable keys way up at the top of the > keyboard that I've found useful for some commonly used text strings. > It has another feature which is totally unnecessary but that I've > found useful. The keys are lighted, so you can use them in dim light, > and the color of each key can be set individually. > > While this is totally more "bling" than necessary, I've found it > useful to set most keys to just white, but set individual colors to > the twelve function keys across the top. I use them heavily for TMG's > Text Macros to insert commonly used phrases in Citations, Memos, and > Sentences. I've had trouble remembering which key was associated with > which text string. By setting related keys to a common color I find it > easier to recall the key I need for a specific entry. > > Keyboards with these features are clearly more expensive than those > commonly available, but if you are doing a lot of data entry one might > be worth considering.

I've recently come to replace two mainstay peripherals to my computer - my mouse and keyboard - and have found some features available that are helpful to my use of TMG and Second Site. I thought I'd describe what I've found for other users who might find this of interest. First, the mouse. I've been using for several years a mouse with "Forward" and "Back" buttons on the side, designed to serve the functions of the similar buttons on all web browsers. Instead of having to move the cursor to those on-screen buttons you simply squeeze the button with the thumb or finger already on the mouse to view the following or preceding webpage. I found this very handy when searching for online data, and when editing my website created with Second Site. But there is more. The software associated with the mouse allows one to use the same buttons for different purposes with other applications. They can be used to move between pages in a PDF viewer or a word processor, for example. And while TMG doesn't have a real forward/back function, the buttons can be set to trigger the "Previous Person" function, so you can switch easily between the last two persons. I've gotten very used to this feature. These two buttons have been commonly available for some years. If your mouse has them and you haven't made use of them - try it out for a few days. I think you will become as addicted to their use as I have. My new mouse, a Logitech M705, has another feature I find very useful. Logitech calls it "Hyper-fast scrolling." What it really is is a mode in which the scroll wheel is free to spin. You give it a swipe and it spins several revolutions, allowing you to quickly scroll several pages worth of a long document or webpage. I have found that very useful in viewing online data and in editing my website in Second Site. Several Logitech models have this feature, but I don't know whether other brands offer it. With mice as inexpensive as they on places like Amazon there is little reason not try out new models. My other new peripheral is a keyboard. For may years I have used keyboards with the 10 function keys on the left of the main keys, in addition to those across the top. I early on found this very useful with TMG - being able to access the Search, Repeat, Edit, and Close keys (F2, F3, F4, F5, and F9) without having to find them on the top row (where I never learned touch type them) was a big help. With the keys on the side I found I learned easily to use them by touch. Sadly, this key arrangement has been increasingly difficult to find, and now seems to be nearly impossible. However, a number of keyboards designed for gaming have five or so buttons on the left which can be programmed to deliver any keystroke or string. Since I only use five of the ten function keys for TMG this has proven to be a very satisfactory solution. It really helps speed up data entry in TMG. These gaming keyboards have a variety of specialized key mechanisms, each with a quite different "feel" when typing on them. Personal preference is probably important in selecting one that feels right to a user. I used a Razer BlackWidow for several years and never got used to it's feel - I ended up with lots of extraneous "l's" in my text because my "L-finger" seems to rest too heavily on that key. I recently purchased a Logitech G910 which works better for me. It also has four additional programmable keys way up at the top of the keyboard that I've found useful for some commonly used text strings. It has another feature which is totally unnecessary but that I've found useful. The keys are lighted, so you can use them in dim light, and the color of each key can be set individually. While this is totally more "bling" than necessary, I've found it useful to set most keys to just white, but set individual colors to the twelve function keys across the top. I use them heavily for TMG's Text Macros to insert commonly used phrases in Citations, Memos, and Sentences. I've had trouble remembering which key was associated with which text string. By setting related keys to a common color I find it easier to recall the key I need for a specific entry. Keyboards with these features are clearly more expensive than those commonly available, but if you are doing a lot of data entry one might be worth considering. Terry Reigel

On 2/11/2017 6:44 PM, Michael J Hannah wrote: > Sally V Houston reported: >> When I try to create including a particular ancestor, TMG refuses >> to complete it, giving the message "conversion error #6..." > > Hi Sally, > > Since the problem does not occur if you do not include this person I > would suspect two possiblilities: > > - Check for an exhibit being linked to this person where the type of > image file is something other than the typical .jpg etc. > > - Check for a memo which contains wierd special characters. > > Those are the two most likely causes which come to mind. > > Hope this gives you ideas, > > Michael > The TMG archive is found here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ > Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TMG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

? No message? On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 6:31 PM, gwmproxy <gwmproxy@centurytel.net> wrote: > > > On 2/11/2017 6:44 PM, Michael J Hannah wrote: > >> Sally V Houston reported: >> >>> When I try to create including a particular ancestor, TMG refuses >>> to complete it, giving the message "conversion error #6..." >>> >> >> Hi Sally, >> >> Since the problem does not occur if you do not include this person I >> would suspect two possiblilities: >> >> - Check for an exhibit being linked to this person where the type of >> image file is something other than the typical .jpg etc. >> >> - Check for a memo which contains wierd special characters. >> >> Those are the two most likely causes which come to mind. >> >> Hope this gives you ideas, >> >> Michael >> The TMG archive is found here: >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ >> Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: >> http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> TMG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ances > try.com/th/index/TMG/ > Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry > .com/index/other/Software/TMG.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TMG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >