Bruce Fairhall wrote: > Thanks for this thread to all who participated (so far?). > I was one who had a problem last year because I changed the > default sequence of the three options for the LIVING Flag As we discovered at the time, and I have documented in my book, you did not "change the default sequence" of this Standard Flag. You only mistakenly "thought" you did. See the topic "Languages and Flags" in the _Style_ chapter of my on-line book here: http://www.mjh-nm.net/STYLE.HTML#FlagLanguages Lee also commented: > Standard Flags may not be edited. You may change the setting > for a person, but you cannot change the Flag name, > or the series of settings or their order. That is true, Lee, *only* if TMG's language is currently set to the default of "English (U.S.)". If the program is set to any other language any of these values can be changed/translated. A user can only change these values of Standard Flags when using a language other than "English (U.S.)" (which includes "English (U.K.)"). What Bruce did was "translate" to different letters the three options of that Flag for use in his alternate language. As noted in my book, the character in the third position for the LIVING Flag will *always* be interpreted by TMG as meaning "living". A user can choose to "translate" that third character to an 'N' in their alternate language, but it doesn't change the meaning of that position as understood by the system. Thus setting a person's value of LIVING to 'N', when it is the third character when using the alternate language, will still be interpreted by TMG to mean the person is living. I mention this here again as this is a easy "trap" for users to fall into. This ability to "translate" Standard Flag values, labels, and descriptions when in an alternate language can be a useful "feature". But if not understood and inadvertently misused it can cause serious problems which "appear" to be a bug, but which are not. Just a word of caution for those users who set TMG to alternate languages (including "English (U.K.)") and also customize Flags, Michael

Larry & Kathy, Michael has understood my interest in this strange error. I want to see what has happened as a lesson to be avoided in future applications. If you are willing to send me a SQZ backup file of the corrupted project, then that would aid me to the understand the problem. [Your data will be considered as confidential, and any files will be destroyed once the corruption has been understood.] BTW: I have recently seen another example of an unexpected corruption. The TMG builtin flags like SEX, etc are special. Operations on Custom Flags allow the editing of their names, etc but you can't edit the name of a builtin flag like SEX. A user had a corruption where adding a custom flag overwrote the name of the SEX flag. The flag values were OK, just its name was corrupted making running of Filters on SEX not work. There is clearly a hole in the custom flag creation code that can cause this problem. Robin On 13-Mar-17 05:00 AM, Michael J Hannah wrote: > robin lamacraft wrote: >> BTW: I would still like to see the nature of the corrupt even >> though you have decided to rebuilt the database. > > Note that Robin is creating HRE and would likely want to figure this > out to avoid something similar occurring in HRE. > > Larry & Kathy noted: > >> > we have come to the conclusion it will be easier to start >>> a new project out of our main project - our roles and sentences >>> will then be in place and will eliminate hours of work in one step. > > And Robin suggested: >> I would recommend starting a new project and slowly re-entering data >> to it. >> It is possible to create a new project with all your custom tag >> definitions, etc. Michael J. Hannah, Lee Hoffman or Terry Reigel can >> make suggestions about the best way to get a new copy of your TMG >> environment without carrying over the corruptions that you now have. > > And Larry & Kathy replied: >> To clearify, we are not creating a new dataset - we will use >> our "healthy" main project and use the features on TMG to create >> a new project from there so that we will have all the roles etc >> that we have used with that project. > > Just to be clear to anyone following this discusson, if you want to > create a new Project but retain customizations, then the most > efficient way is actually to begin by creating a new Dataset. > > In the "Importing and Exporting" chapter of my book see the section > titled "Project Files with Customizations": > http://www.mjh-nm.net/IMEXPORT.HTML#MergingFiles > > There are two main methods described there which depend upon whether > you wish to select which types of customizations are copied such as > all your Sources and Repositories, or automatically copy all > customizations but just retain the Source Types and only a few of the > Sources/Repositories. > > As described there, to create a brand-new Project which retains some > desired customizations of an existing project perform the following > steps. (Always Backup your Project before you start, just in case.) > > Start by creating a Dataset: > - Either A) use File / Dataset Manager to Add a new *Dataset* and > select everything you wish to copy into this new Dataset (probably > everything) > or > - B) Run a List of People report filtered for at least one person in > the Project which has all the customizations. Set the Secondary > Output tab to Create New *Dataset* (not a new Project). > > For either method do not create a new Project, create a new Dataset > within this customized Project. Now: > > - Under the File menu do a *Copy* of this Project to create your new > Project. > - Now within this main Project use File / Dataset Manager to delete > the extra Dataset which you created above. > - Do an Optimize / VFI / Optimize set of routines on this main Project. > - Exit this Project and open the newly created Project. > - Now within this new Project use File / Dataset Manager to delete the > main Dataset to leave only the extra Dataset which you created above. > - Do an Optimize / VFI / Optimize set of routines on this new Project. > - You can now > > The new Project will have customizations from your main Project. If > you chose method A) it will have everything you seleted when you added > the new Dataset but no people or existing events. > > However, if you chose method B) it will have all customizations but > only have the Sources and Repositories associated with the citations > to the filtered set of people from the List of People report. And > with B) you will also have all these people and their events. If you > also want all the Sources and Repositories, just export the remaining > Sources from the main Project and import them into the new Project. > > Hope this gives you ideas, > > Michael > The TMG archive is found here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ > Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TMG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Robin Lamacraft, Adelaide, Australia

At 3/12/2017 21:36, Bruce Fairhall wrote > Thanks for this thread to all who participated (so far?). A very > worthwhile discussion to have "in public"! > I was one who had a problem last year because I changed the default > sequence of the three options for the LIVING Flag for a large data > entry, and because it was "hard wired" that change caused chaos! > People still living at 400 years of age etc!!! > After help from this List, I was able to return LIVING to its default > options, create a report of all people edited since a certain date, > then fix all the affected persons. > Lee has noted that SEX is another option that should not be changed. > Just for interest: Are there any more? Bruce - There are seven Standard Flags in TMG: SEX LIVING BIRTH ORDER MULTIPLE BIRTH ADOPTED ANCESTER [INTEREST] DESCENDANT [INTEREST] In addition to these, you can have as many Custom Flags as you wish. All of the Standard Flags are "hard-wired" into TMG and as such have specific purposes and in many cases are set automatically under certain conditions. For example, if you add a Death Tag to a person then the LIVING Flag is set to N unless it is already set. Similarly, if you add the ADOPTION Flag to someone then the ADOPTED Flag is changed to Y for that person. The SEX Flag is often set based on how you are adding the person, i.e., as a brother, sister, son, or daughter. Most other Standard Flags are manually set. But all have specific meanings based on their settings. Standard Flags may not be edited. You may change the setting for a person, but you cannot change the Flag name, or the series of settings or their order. Custom Flags are just that -- Custom. So you can change anything about them at any time. That is, you can change a Custom Fla's name (helpful if you realize you spelled it wrong when creating it), you can change a Custom Flag's settings by adding, deleting, or changing the order of the settings; and the Default setting may be changed after the Flag is created. Lee

When it comes to illegitimate births ,I do have many of the parents married to each other even if they wasn`t. That`s only because when I transferred it into tmg ,I chose to add marriages (or something like that?) ,so that the father/mother of each child was shown as married to other parent and that I would know who the other parent was. Guess I shouldn`t have! ,but am trying to sort out some of them now. Guess my main project will never be "correct" either.... -----Opprinnelig melding----- Fra: TMG [mailto:tmg-bounces+gj_erov7=bbnett.no@rootsweb.com] På vegne av Lee Hoffman/KY Sendt: 12. mars 2017 23:03 Til: The Master Genealogist Rootsweb Email List <tmg@rootsweb.com> Emne: Re: [TMG] how to find all illegitimate births At 3/12/2017 16:07, Susan G. Johnston wrote >You can now refine the Excel file a little more by applying a >conditional filter to the Birth Date column, highlighting all identical >dates that appear in sequence. My dates were in column G, so the two >formulas are: (first) =G1=G2; (second) =OR(G2=G1,G2=G3). > >The birth date column can now be filtered by the fill color, and the >subsequent result can be filtered for all multibirth flags = ?. This >left me with 156 names to check - and the discovery that I have no >triplets in my database. Time expended, about 15 minutes. I had not thought of filtering. It would have made the screening much more quickly. Also, I would not have missed one pair. In any case, these reports and filters may not catch all (potential) multibirths. In fact, it missed three sets of known twins -- primarily due to unknown mother or no birth dates. But, the overall study also disclosed several pairs where the Flag wasn't properly marked -- one twin was, but the other was not. One of these centuries (should I live so long), maybe I will have an error-free project. <LOL> Lee The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TMG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks for all suggestions!. Will try to get time to try some of these tomorrow. I guess I might have some twins I haven`t marked as twins. I also know I have at least 2 twin pairs that has no birth year. Is it any way of doing a filter for father and mother who has children born the same year? That should get most of the twins/triplets etc?.... -----Opprinnelig melding----- Fra: TMG [mailto:tmg-bounces+gj_erov7=bbnett.no@rootsweb.com] På vegne av Lee Hoffman/KY Sendt: 12. mars 2017 23:03 Til: The Master Genealogist Rootsweb Email List <tmg@rootsweb.com> Emne: Re: [TMG] how to find all illegitimate births At 3/12/2017 16:07, Susan G. Johnston wrote >You can now refine the Excel file a little more by applying a >conditional filter to the Birth Date column, highlighting all identical >dates that appear in sequence. My dates were in column G, so the two >formulas are: (first) =G1=G2; (second) =OR(G2=G1,G2=G3). > >The birth date column can now be filtered by the fill color, and the >subsequent result can be filtered for all multibirth flags = ?. This >left me with 156 names to check - and the discovery that I have no >triplets in my database. Time expended, about 15 minutes. I had not thought of filtering. It would have made the screening much more quickly. Also, I would not have missed one pair. In any case, these reports and filters may not catch all (potential) multibirths. In fact, it missed three sets of known twins -- primarily due to unknown mother or no birth dates. But, the overall study also disclosed several pairs where the Flag wasn't properly marked -- one twin was, but the other was not. One of these centuries (should I live so long), maybe I will have an error-free project. <LOL> Lee The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TMG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

At 3/12/2017 18:09, Erik Hov wrote >I guess I might have some twins I haven`t marked as twins. I also know I >have at least 2 twin pairs that has no birth year. Is it any way of doing a >filter for father and mother who has children born the same year? That >should get most of the twins/triplets etc?.... Using the List of People report as I described sent to a spreadsheet with the filtering as described by Susan should get most of what you want. In further studies of this, it appears that a significant number of twins in my project were missed (the Flag was already set though). I am trying to figure that out as to why they were missed if they were. I am re-trying it all from the beginning. Lee

Not a problem! BTW: I would still like to see the nature of the corrupt even though you have decided to rebuilt the database. It is not clear to me that you should create a new dataset in the same project. I would recommend starting a new project and slowly re-entering data to it. It is possible to create a new project with all your custom tag definitions, etc. Michael J. Hannah, Lee Hoffman or Terry Reigel can make suggestions about the best way to get a new copy of your TMG environment without carrying over the corruptions that you now have. I am always interested in problems that can occur within the TMG user interface - clearly you did not try to create this error! This kind of error would be hard to protect from happening unless one knew how it started. While designing HRE, I am aware that it far better to check the validity of data before it enters the database rather than discovering problem when the user goes to retrieve the stored data. Regards, RobinL On 12-Mar-17 03:25 PM, Kathy & Larry McCurdy wrote: > Robin, > We are so appreciative of all your efforts on our behalf. Kathy and I have > been talking about this project and how old it is. Since we worked on this > we have added [that is mostly Kathy] many many roles and sentences. What is > on this project is a bare bones of what we now have. Many of the records > are also minimal and will need a lot of fleshing out as well. So . . . we > have come to the conclusion it will be easier to start a new project out of > our main project - our roles and sentences will then be in place and will > eliminate hours of work in one step. We will be keeping your instructions > for zip files - that is something we could and will use. Again thanks so > much for everything and also thank your friend Bryan for his offer of help > - hope he is recovering from the surgery quickly and back at it soon. > Thanks so much > Kathy & Larry > > On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 11:31 PM, robin lamacraft < > robin.lamacraft@internode.on.net> wrote: > >> A VERY GOOD suggestion Lee! >> >> Larry & Kathy - please send me a current backup of the project >> >> Thanks, >> >> Tobin >> >> >> >> On 12-Mar-17 02:29 PM, Lee Hoffman/KY wrote: >> >>> Robin - >>> >>> Since Larry & Kathy's project only has a 1000 persons, would it not be >>> simpler to just have Larry send the project SQZ file? It should not be very >>> large. This way, you/Bryan would have the complete project to test that the >>> corrections are right. >>> >>> Lee >>> >>> The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ances >>> try.com/th/index/TMG/ >>> Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry >>> .com/index/other/Software/TMG.html >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> TMG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> -- >> Robin Lamacraft, Adelaide, Australia >> >> The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ances >> try.com/th/index/TMG/ >> Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry >> .com/index/other/Software/TMG.html >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> TMG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ > Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TMG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Robin Lamacraft, Adelaide, Australia

Robin, I sent you the sqz file, but I just discovered I had a typo in your email address. Sorry, I will send it again. On Sun, Mar 12, 2017 at 6:08 PM, robin lamacraft < robin.lamacraft@internode.on.net> wrote: > Larry & Kathy, > > Michael has understood my interest in this strange error. I want to see > what has happened as a lesson to be avoided in future applications. If you > are willing to send me a SQZ backup file of the corrupted project, then > that would aid me to the understand the problem. [Your data will be > considered as confidential, and any files will be destroyed once the > corruption has been understood.] > > BTW: I have recently seen another example of an unexpected corruption. The > TMG builtin flags like SEX, etc are special. Operations on Custom Flags > allow the editing of their names, etc but you can't edit the name of a > builtin flag like SEX. A user had a corruption where adding a custom flag > overwrote the name of the SEX flag. The flag values were OK, just its name > was corrupted making running of Filters on SEX not work. There is clearly a > hole in the custom flag creation code that can cause this problem. > > Robin > > > > On 13-Mar-17 05:00 AM, Michael J Hannah wrote: > >> robin lamacraft wrote: >> >>> BTW: I would still like to see the nature of the corrupt even >>> though you have decided to rebuilt the database. >>> >> >> Note that Robin is creating HRE and would likely want to figure this out >> to avoid something similar occurring in HRE. >> >> Larry & Kathy noted: >> >> > we have come to the conclusion it will be easier to start >>> >>>> a new project out of our main project - our roles and sentences >>>> will then be in place and will eliminate hours of work in one step. >>>> >>> >> And Robin suggested: >> >>> I would recommend starting a new project and slowly re-entering data to >>> it. >>> It is possible to create a new project with all your custom tag >>> definitions, etc. Michael J. Hannah, Lee Hoffman or Terry Reigel can make >>> suggestions about the best way to get a new copy of your TMG environment >>> without carrying over the corruptions that you now have. >>> >> >> And Larry & Kathy replied: >> >>> To clearify, we are not creating a new dataset - we will use >>> our "healthy" main project and use the features on TMG to create >>> a new project from there so that we will have all the roles etc >>> that we have used with that project. >>> >> >> Just to be clear to anyone following this discusson, if you want to >> create a new Project but retain customizations, then the most efficient way >> is actually to begin by creating a new Dataset. >> >> In the "Importing and Exporting" chapter of my book see the section >> titled "Project Files with Customizations": >> http://www.mjh-nm.net/IMEXPORT.HTML#MergingFiles >> >> There are two main methods described there which depend upon whether you >> wish to select which types of customizations are copied such as all your >> Sources and Repositories, or automatically copy all customizations but just >> retain the Source Types and only a few of the Sources/Repositories. >> >> As described there, to create a brand-new Project which retains some >> desired customizations of an existing project perform the following steps. >> (Always Backup your Project before you start, just in case.) >> >> Start by creating a Dataset: >> - Either A) use File / Dataset Manager to Add a new *Dataset* and select >> everything you wish to copy into this new Dataset (probably everything) >> or >> - B) Run a List of People report filtered for at least one person in the >> Project which has all the customizations. Set the Secondary Output tab to >> Create New *Dataset* (not a new Project). >> >> For either method do not create a new Project, create a new Dataset >> within this customized Project. Now: >> >> - Under the File menu do a *Copy* of this Project to create your new >> Project. >> - Now within this main Project use File / Dataset Manager to delete the >> extra Dataset which you created above. >> - Do an Optimize / VFI / Optimize set of routines on this main Project. >> - Exit this Project and open the newly created Project. >> - Now within this new Project use File / Dataset Manager to delete the >> main Dataset to leave only the extra Dataset which you created above. >> - Do an Optimize / VFI / Optimize set of routines on this new Project. >> - You can now >> >> The new Project will have customizations from your main Project. If you >> chose method A) it will have everything you seleted when you added the new >> Dataset but no people or existing events. >> >> However, if you chose method B) it will have all customizations but only >> have the Sources and Repositories associated with the citations to the >> filtered set of people from the List of People report. And with B) you >> will also have all these people and their events. If you also want all the >> Sources and Repositories, just export the remaining Sources from the main >> Project and import them into the new Project. >> >> Hope this gives you ideas, >> >> Michael >> The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ances >> try.com/th/index/TMG/ >> Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry >> .com/index/other/Software/TMG.html >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> TMG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > > -- > Robin Lamacraft, Adelaide, Australia > > The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ances > try.com/th/index/TMG/ > Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry > .com/index/other/Software/TMG.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TMG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

At 3/12/2017 16:07, Susan G. Johnston wrote >You can now refine the Excel file a little more by applying a >conditional filter to the Birth Date column, highlighting all >identical dates that appear in sequence. My dates were in column G, >so the two formulas are: (first) =G1=G2; (second) =OR(G2=G1,G2=G3). > >The birth date column can now be filtered by the fill color, and the >subsequent result can be filtered for all multibirth flags = ?. This >left me with 156 names to check - and the discovery that I have no >triplets in my database. Time expended, about 15 minutes. I had not thought of filtering. It would have made the screening much more quickly. Also, I would not have missed one pair. In any case, these reports and filters may not catch all (potential) multibirths. In fact, it missed three sets of known twins -- primarily due to unknown mother or no birth dates. But, the overall study also disclosed several pairs where the Flag wasn't properly marked -- one twin was, but the other was not. One of these centuries (should I live so long), maybe I will have an error-free project. <LOL> Lee

Please send me a copy of those instructions too ,so I can try them in tmg4!. That report might give me other names who also is born illegitimate. -----Opprinnelig melding----- Fra: TMG [mailto:tmg-bounces+gj_erov7=bbnett.no@rootsweb.com] På vegne av Susan G. Johnston Sendt: 12. mars 2017 15:04 Til: The Master Genealogist Rootsweb Email List <tmg@rootsweb.com> Emne: Re: [TMG] how to find all illegitimate births If you identified those births with the BirthIlleg tag, then you can create a list of events report filtered for: Tag Type... Label = BirthIlleg. If you created a custom flag in your old database identifying illegitimate births, then you can create a list of people report for those with that flag value. If you did neither of these things, I have a report that identifies any children whose births preceded their parents' marriage date or whose parents were never married to each other. Of course, you will need to eyeball the final results to exclude those records in which the parents' marriage information is simply missing. I think this report will work for TMG 4, but I don't have that version in which to test it. Let me know if you need a copy of the instructions for that report. Regards, Susan Johnston On 3/12/2017 5:02 AM, Erik Hov wrote: > I am going through old records ,and just found another thing that went > wrong when I transferred TMG 4 to TMG 7, years ago (!!). In the > process of transferring ,several illegitimate births went missing > after I got it into the new TMG so they are no longer there even if I had them in TMG 4. > Now I want to find these illegitimate births in TMG 4 ,and wonder how > I can do it.....any filter I can do to find them? After that I will go > through them manually in the TMG I am working in now and enter the > missing information. As far I can see, the once who is adopted has > lost their adoptedflag too after transferring ,but that I guess can be > done by filtering flags in TMG 4 to find all the ones with the adopted flag. > Thanks. > > The TMG archive is found here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ > Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TMG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TMG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks for answering!. I found abt 500 illegitimate births ,and also was able to make a report of stillbirths. Thanks You!. Does anyone know how to make a report from TMG 4 of all the people with multibirths. I know I have several ,but I don`t know how to make a report that tells me who they are!.... -----Opprinnelig melding----- Fra: TMG [mailto:tmg-bounces+gj_erov7=bbnett.no@rootsweb.com] På vegne av Susan G. Johnston Sendt: 12. mars 2017 15:04 Til: The Master Genealogist Rootsweb Email List <tmg@rootsweb.com> Emne: Re: [TMG] how to find all illegitimate births If you identified those births with the BirthIlleg tag, then you can create a list of events report filtered for: Tag Type... Label = BirthIlleg. If you created a custom flag in your old database identifying illegitimate births, then you can create a list of people report for those with that flag value. If you did neither of these things, I have a report that identifies any children whose births preceded their parents' marriage date or whose parents were never married to each other. Of course, you will need to eyeball the final results to exclude those records in which the parents' marriage information is simply missing. I think this report will work for TMG 4, but I don't have that version in which to test it. Let me know if you need a copy of the instructions for that report. Regards, Susan Johnston On 3/12/2017 5:02 AM, Erik Hov wrote: > I am going through old records ,and just found another thing that went > wrong when I transferred TMG 4 to TMG 7, years ago (!!). In the > process of transferring ,several illegitimate births went missing > after I got it into the new TMG so they are no longer there even if I had them in TMG 4. > Now I want to find these illegitimate births in TMG 4 ,and wonder how > I can do it.....any filter I can do to find them? After that I will go > through them manually in the TMG I am working in now and enter the > missing information. As far I can see, the once who is adopted has > lost their adoptedflag too after transferring ,but that I guess can be > done by filtering flags in TMG 4 to find all the ones with the adopted flag. > Thanks. > > The TMG archive is found here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ > Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TMG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TMG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

At 3/12/2017 13:28, Lee Hoffman/KY wrote >However, more specific to your question, it would depend on whether >you set the MULTIBIRTH Flag at the time you added the children. If >so, you could create a List of People report with a filter like: > Multibirth Flag Does Not Equal ? OR > Multibirth Flag Does Not Equal N END >Of course, you could filter for just twins and/or just triplets >and/or some other multibirth number using the = Equals Operator and >the appropriate Value. Oops, the filter should us the AND connection like: Multibirth Flag Does Not Equal ? AND Multibirth Flag Does Not Equal N END >Other than this, the only other idea I can devise is to create a >List of People report with a filter like: > Sex Flag =Equals F END >and select [X] Descendants __1__ generations. >In the Output Colums tab, include Name, ID #, BIRTH* Date, Mother* >ID, Father* ID and sort by Mother* ID (1), Father* ID (2), and Birth* Date (3). I would suggest the Date be split into three columns for Year, month, and day due to the limitations of spradsheets. You may also want to include the MULTIBIRTH Flag in the output. If you have tried to populate that Flag as you entered data then it can help in the screening. For my 60,000 person project with 352 persons with the Multibirth Flag set, I ran the above filter and got 49000 mothers with children. When I opened the report in the spreadsheet, I was able to eliminate 44000 entries. These had no parents at all, had no mother entered, or had not birth year (these last probably need to be reviewed more). This left only 5000 persons that needed screening (less the 352 with the MULTIBIRTH Flag set. I was able to go through the 5000 in about an hour. In this screening, I noted about two dozen persons that did not have the MULTIBIRTH Flag set who needed more checking. Most of these had wrong dates for one or all potential multibirth children of a mother. This left a dozen that needed more study including one pair whose birthdates were recorded as a day apart. One pair definitely needs looking into as it would mean that my great grandfather was a twin (going a long way toward explaining why twins are noted in the later generations). The sister was added later and the potential was never noted until now. In any case, the study has revealed some errors and some new questions. Thanks for the question, Erik. Lee

A VERY GOOD suggestion Lee! Larry & Kathy - please send me a current backup of the project Thanks, Tobin On 12-Mar-17 02:29 PM, Lee Hoffman/KY wrote: > Robin - > > Since Larry & Kathy's project only has a 1000 persons, would it not be > simpler to just have Larry send the project SQZ file? It should not be > very large. This way, you/Bryan would have the complete project to > test that the corrections are right. > > Lee > > The TMG archive is found here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ > Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TMG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Robin Lamacraft, Adelaide, Australia

Hi Kay & Larry, 2 things to say: A) I talked this morning with Bryan Wetton (friend and author of Pathwiz) who has a Visual Fox Pro installation. He is willing to do the changes in the file on my instructions by a VFP command which is much more consistent than any hand-editing. So this will not be a time consuming exercise - but it may take a few days as Bryan is recovering from some recent surgery. B) Ease of creating a zip file dependent on which operating system you are on. On 2 of my W10 boxes 7-Zip is installed (I think that it is part of the standard installation) - for the moment let me assume that the following instructions will also apply to you. 1. Open TMG on your project. 2. Use the menu *Help *> *Access Folders* 3. Write down the**value for *Current project folder* 4. Close TMG* * 5. Hold down the "Windows" key + "E" to open the Windows File Explorer 6. Navigate to that folder (my TMG default path for the sample project is /c:\users\robin\Documents\The Master Genealogist v9\Projects\sample/) 7. In that your project folder you should find the 2 files I want you to zip up <YPN> means Your Project Name; the 2 files are <YPN>_F.DBF and <YPN>_F.FPT 8. Note: there are other files with other extensions there - they are not relevant Also don't worry about the file extension be upper or lower case. 9. Select the <YPN>_F.DBF and <YPN>_F.FPT, then right-click. Select the *7-Zip* entry (4th on my system) 10. Select the *Add to Archive *which opens a small window 11. Here, under archive format select *Zip*, _note the name of the archive file_ ("something".zip) 12. Click OK and wait until completed. 13. The "something".zip is likely to be saved in your project folder. 14. *Now send me an email direct to robin.lamacraft@internode.on.net with file attached. ** * 15. *Please include in that email the ID numbers of children who rightly are designated as -ADO, if there are any.* These instruction are likely to work on W8. On W7 you may need to install a zipping application. Regards, Robin On 12-Mar-17 01:00 PM, Kathy & Larry McCurdy wrote: > It has been a long time and a few versions of Windows since I have zipped > up a file. Please send me a quick course in the same. > Robin , if this is going to take a lot of your time - it is not worth it - > the project has just over a 1000 individuals and I can create a new project > and do a lot of cut and paste. Being the project is so old and started when > we were new to the program - there is also a large amount of cleanup and > changes/additions that need to be made. So again, it is not worth you > taking a lot of your time. We do really appreciate the offer. > As for the back ups - I do have a number from this and previous versions > and they all have the same corruption. Apparently, I have just been > carrying it forward every new version and since not working on it have not > noticed the problem. > > Michael and Lee thank you so much for your input - Lee, as to the other > tags - we have used some of them and they do not seem to have a problem. > Thanks again to all > Kathy & Larry > > > > On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 6:03 PM, robin lamacraft < > robin.lamacraft@internode.on.net> wrote: > >> The relationship tags are a special set within TMG. Although they are >> stored with the other tag definitions, there are marked as special and go >> through a different processing pathway. >> >> The results of your experiments suggest that it is the _F.dbf table that >> has the corruption as you can create new, correctly-labelled relationships >> which has been done using the data in the _T table. >> >> *Can you please zip up the files <YourProjectName>_F.DBF and >> <YourProjectName>_F.FPT and send them to me to examine? * >> >> IF you don't know how to do this then ask this list and you will get a >> reply. >> >> From that pair of files, I will be able to determine what has happened and >> whether it is easily fixable. It would be useful to know whether there are >> any intentional uses of -ADO suffex in your project and if so to send a >> list of the IDs those example children. >> >> Robin >> >> >> >> On 12-Mar-17 06:19 AM, Lee Hoffman/KY wrote: >> >>> At 3/11/2017 12:02, Michael J Hannah wrote >>> >>>> Kathy & Larry McCurdy wrote: >>>> >>>>> To add an adopted son [I have never had to do that] >>>>> >>>> Your method confirms the above, but for your future information... >>>> >>>> To add a specific "type" of child to a person, use the Add Tag >>>> function. Now choose the Son-ado or Daughter-ado tag type to add that >>>> relationship to a parent. The Tag Entry screen will propagate the Parent >>>> ID with the ID of this person, but the Child ID will be zero. To connect >>>> to an existing person as the child simply enter their ID number or search >>>> for them with the Binocs. Instead if you are adding a new person as the >>>> child, put the cursor in the Child ID entry field and click on the Add >>>> Person icon in the upper right corner. >>>> >>>> Takes a whole lot longer to describe than to do the actions of a couple >>>> of clicks. >>>> >>> Note that Michael's method is good -- especially if you are only adding >>> the child to one parent. If another parent is involved then you need to do >>> the same process for that parent. >>> >>> As an alternative method, I suggest adding the child to both parents as >>> normal. -- selecting the other parent (or not) when asked. Then in the >>> child's Person View, double-click on the [Father] Tag Type to display the >>> Relationship Tag Entry Screen. Then, click on the [Tag Type ] button to >>> select the Father-Adopted (or other appropriate ) relationship. and click >>> [OK] to close that window. Now, do the same thing for the [Mother] Tag Type. >>> >>> Both methods get to the same result. With Michael's, you have to >>> remember to add the child to the second parent. With mine, you have to >>> remember to change the Relationship for both parents. It is really just >>> personal preference. >>> >>> I like this second method as it is more (to me) straight forward and >>> follows what I do most of the time. I just need to change the Relationship >>> Tags Types for the situation. >>> >>> If no other versions restore or open correctly the only option I know to >>>> do is to hope one of our advanced users will offer to manually modify the >>>> database tables for you. However this is a very risky option since if this >>>> Relationship type entry is corrupted there is a good chance there are other >>>> corruptions which are not as clearly evident. >>>> >>> I would agree. In fact, I suggest that you look at the project to see >>> if you have any of the following Tag Types in use: >>> Stake >>> AFN >>> Telephone >>> Namesake >>> Number of Marriages >>> Number of Children >>> Age >>> Nationality >>> SSN >>> Description >>> HTML >>> Narrative Children >>> JournalIntro >>> Journal Conclusion >>> >>> If any are used, check them out to see if they seem to be as you expect. >>> Also, Look at any Note and History Tags to see that they seem normal. >>> >>> If all these seem to be normal, then only the Relationship Tags are off >>> although I cannot think why. >>> >>> Lee >>> >>> >>> The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ances >>> try.com/th/index/TMG/ >>> Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry >>> .com/index/other/Software/TMG.html >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> TMG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> -- >> Robin Lamacraft, Adelaide, Australia >> >> The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ances >> try.com/th/index/TMG/ >> Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry >> .com/index/other/Software/TMG.html >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> TMG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ > Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TMG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Robin Lamacraft, Adelaide, Australia

On 3/12/2017 11:28 AM, Lee Hoffman/KY wrote: > At 3/12/2017 11:06, Erik Hov wrote >> Does anyone know how to make a report from TMG 4 of all the people with >> multibirths. I know I have several ,but I don`t know how to make a >> report >> that tells me who they are!.... > > Other than this, the only other idea I can devise is to create a List > of People report with a filter like: > Sex Flag =Equals F END > and select [X] Descendants __1__ generations. > In the Output Colums tab, include Name, ID #, BIRTH* Date, Mother* ID, > Father* ID and sort by Mother* ID (1), Father* ID (2), and Birth* Date > (3). > > This will probably give you a very long list. I'd send it to a > spreadsheet where you can do a quick review and eliminate most of the > entries. There will be a lot of no ID# for mother and father. You > can delete those right away. The rest you can also delete many by > just scanning. For the remainder, you can find parents with multiple > children. Then you can see if the children have the same dates. I used a different filter: (Father* is known OR Mother* is known) AND Birth... Date Is not empty. Assuming one use of this list is to edit the multibirth flag, I added a column for that value, but otherwise my output columns were the same. (about 12,000 names in this list) You can now refine the Excel file a little more by applying a conditional filter to the Birth Date column, highlighting all identical dates that appear in sequence. My dates were in column G, so the two formulas are: (first) =G1=G2; (second) =OR(G2=G1,G2=G3). The birth date column can now be filtered by the fill color, and the subsequent result can be filtered for all multibirth flags = ?. This left me with 156 names to check - and the discovery that I have no triplets in my database. Time expended, about 15 minutes. I also thank you for the question, Erik. I love these unique reports. Regards, Susan Johnston

Robin, To clearify, we are not creating a new dataset - we will use our "healthy" main project and use the features on TMG to create a new project from there so that we will have all the roles etc that we have used with that project. We have done with other "new" projects - that is not a problem for us. I will create a sqz.file and send it to your private email. If it will help you in anyway, something good can come from this besides us finally getting this project in shape. Kathy & Larry On Sun, Mar 12, 2017 at 5:03 AM, robin lamacraft < robin.lamacraft@internode.on.net> wrote: > Not a problem! BTW: I would still like to see the nature of the corrupt > even though you have decided to rebuilt the database. It is not clear to me > that you should create a new dataset in the same project. I would recommend > starting a new project and slowly re-entering data to it. > > It is possible to create a new project with all your custom tag > definitions, etc. Michael J. Hannah, Lee Hoffman or Terry Reigel can make > suggestions about the best way to get a new copy of your TMG environment > without carrying over the corruptions that you now have. > > I am always interested in problems that can occur within the TMG user > interface - clearly you did not try to create this error! This kind of > error would be hard to protect from happening unless one knew how it > started. > > While designing HRE, I am aware that it far better to check the validity > of data before it enters the database rather than discovering problem when > the user goes to retrieve the stored data. > > Regards, > > RobinL > > > > On 12-Mar-17 03:25 PM, Kathy & Larry McCurdy wrote: > >> Robin, >> We are so appreciative of all your efforts on our behalf. Kathy and I have >> been talking about this project and how old it is. Since we worked on this >> we have added [that is mostly Kathy] many many roles and sentences. What >> is >> on this project is a bare bones of what we now have. Many of the records >> are also minimal and will need a lot of fleshing out as well. So . . . we >> have come to the conclusion it will be easier to start a new project out >> of >> our main project - our roles and sentences will then be in place and will >> eliminate hours of work in one step. We will be keeping your instructions >> for zip files - that is something we could and will use. Again thanks so >> much for everything and also thank your friend Bryan for his offer of help >> - hope he is recovering from the surgery quickly and back at it soon. >> Thanks so much >> Kathy & Larry >> >> On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 11:31 PM, robin lamacraft < >> robin.lamacraft@internode.on.net> wrote: >> >> A VERY GOOD suggestion Lee! >>> >>> Larry & Kathy - please send me a current backup of the project >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Tobin >>> >>> >>> >>> On 12-Mar-17 02:29 PM, Lee Hoffman/KY wrote: >>> >>> Robin - >>>> >>>> Since Larry & Kathy's project only has a 1000 persons, would it not be >>>> simpler to just have Larry send the project SQZ file? It should not be >>>> very >>>> large. This way, you/Bryan would have the complete project to test that >>>> the >>>> corrections are right. >>>> >>>> Lee >>>> >>>> The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ances >>>> try.com/th/index/TMG/ >>>> Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry >>>> .com/index/other/Software/TMG.html >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> TMG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >>>> in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> -- >>> Robin Lamacraft, Adelaide, Australia >>> >>> The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ances >>> try.com/th/index/TMG/ >>> Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry >>> .com/index/other/Software/TMG.html >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> TMG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ances >> try.com/th/index/TMG/ >> Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry >> .com/index/other/Software/TMG.html >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> TMG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > > -- > Robin Lamacraft, Adelaide, Australia > > The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ances > try.com/th/index/TMG/ > Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry > .com/index/other/Software/TMG.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TMG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

robin lamacraft wrote: > BTW: I would still like to see the nature of the corrupt even > though you have decided to rebuilt the database. Note that Robin is creating HRE and would likely want to figure this out to avoid something similar occurring in HRE. Larry & Kathy noted: > > we have come to the conclusion it will be easier to start >> a new project out of our main project - our roles and sentences >> will then be in place and will eliminate hours of work in one step. And Robin suggested: > I would recommend starting a new project and slowly re-entering data to it. > It is possible to create a new project with all your custom tag > definitions, etc. Michael J. Hannah, Lee Hoffman or Terry Reigel can > make suggestions about the best way to get a new copy of your TMG > environment without carrying over the corruptions that you now have. And Larry & Kathy replied: > To clearify, we are not creating a new dataset - we will use > our "healthy" main project and use the features on TMG to create > a new project from there so that we will have all the roles etc > that we have used with that project. Just to be clear to anyone following this discusson, if you want to create a new Project but retain customizations, then the most efficient way is actually to begin by creating a new Dataset. In the "Importing and Exporting" chapter of my book see the section titled "Project Files with Customizations": http://www.mjh-nm.net/IMEXPORT.HTML#MergingFiles There are two main methods described there which depend upon whether you wish to select which types of customizations are copied such as all your Sources and Repositories, or automatically copy all customizations but just retain the Source Types and only a few of the Sources/Repositories. As described there, to create a brand-new Project which retains some desired customizations of an existing project perform the following steps. (Always Backup your Project before you start, just in case.) Start by creating a Dataset: - Either A) use File / Dataset Manager to Add a new *Dataset* and select everything you wish to copy into this new Dataset (probably everything) or - B) Run a List of People report filtered for at least one person in the Project which has all the customizations. Set the Secondary Output tab to Create New *Dataset* (not a new Project). For either method do not create a new Project, create a new Dataset within this customized Project. Now: - Under the File menu do a *Copy* of this Project to create your new Project. - Now within this main Project use File / Dataset Manager to delete the extra Dataset which you created above. - Do an Optimize / VFI / Optimize set of routines on this main Project. - Exit this Project and open the newly created Project. - Now within this new Project use File / Dataset Manager to delete the main Dataset to leave only the extra Dataset which you created above. - Do an Optimize / VFI / Optimize set of routines on this new Project. - You can now The new Project will have customizations from your main Project. If you chose method A) it will have everything you seleted when you added the new Dataset but no people or existing events. However, if you chose method B) it will have all customizations but only have the Sources and Repositories associated with the citations to the filtered set of people from the List of People report. And with B) you will also have all these people and their events. If you also want all the Sources and Repositories, just export the remaining Sources from the main Project and import them into the new Project. Hope this gives you ideas, Michael

I am going through old records ,and just found another thing that went wrong when I transferred TMG 4 to TMG 7, years ago (!!). In the process of transferring ,several illegitimate births went missing after I got it into the new TMG so they are no longer there even if I had them in TMG 4. Now I want to find these illegitimate births in TMG 4 ,and wonder how I can do it.....any filter I can do to find them? After that I will go through them manually in the TMG I am working in now and enter the missing information. As far I can see, the once who is adopted has lost their adoptedflag too after transferring ,but that I guess can be done by filtering flags in TMG 4 to find all the ones with the adopted flag. Thanks.

If you identified those births with the BirthIlleg tag, then you can create a list of events report filtered for: Tag Type... Label = BirthIlleg. If you created a custom flag in your old database identifying illegitimate births, then you can create a list of people report for those with that flag value. If you did neither of these things, I have a report that identifies any children whose births preceded their parents' marriage date or whose parents were never married to each other. Of course, you will need to eyeball the final results to exclude those records in which the parents' marriage information is simply missing. I think this report will work for TMG 4, but I don't have that version in which to test it. Let me know if you need a copy of the instructions for that report. Regards, Susan Johnston On 3/12/2017 5:02 AM, Erik Hov wrote: > I am going through old records ,and just found another thing that went wrong > when I transferred TMG 4 to TMG 7, years ago (!!). In the process of > transferring ,several illegitimate births went missing after I got it into > the new TMG so they are no longer there even if I had them in TMG 4. > Now I want to find these illegitimate births in TMG 4 ,and wonder how I can > do it.....any filter I can do to find them? After that I will go through > them manually in the TMG I am working in now and enter the missing > information. As far I can see, the once who is adopted has lost their > adoptedflag too after transferring ,but that I guess can be done by > filtering flags in TMG 4 to find all the ones with the adopted flag. > Thanks. > > The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ > Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TMG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Robin, We are so appreciative of all your efforts on our behalf. Kathy and I have been talking about this project and how old it is. Since we worked on this we have added [that is mostly Kathy] many many roles and sentences. What is on this project is a bare bones of what we now have. Many of the records are also minimal and will need a lot of fleshing out as well. So . . . we have come to the conclusion it will be easier to start a new project out of our main project - our roles and sentences will then be in place and will eliminate hours of work in one step. We will be keeping your instructions for zip files - that is something we could and will use. Again thanks so much for everything and also thank your friend Bryan for his offer of help - hope he is recovering from the surgery quickly and back at it soon. Thanks so much Kathy & Larry On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 11:31 PM, robin lamacraft < robin.lamacraft@internode.on.net> wrote: > A VERY GOOD suggestion Lee! > > Larry & Kathy - please send me a current backup of the project > > Thanks, > > Tobin > > > > On 12-Mar-17 02:29 PM, Lee Hoffman/KY wrote: > >> Robin - >> >> Since Larry & Kathy's project only has a 1000 persons, would it not be >> simpler to just have Larry send the project SQZ file? It should not be very >> large. This way, you/Bryan would have the complete project to test that the >> corrections are right. >> >> Lee >> >> The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ances >> try.com/th/index/TMG/ >> Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry >> .com/index/other/Software/TMG.html >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> TMG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > > -- > Robin Lamacraft, Adelaide, Australia > > The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ances > try.com/th/index/TMG/ > Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry > .com/index/other/Software/TMG.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TMG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >