They were migrated into V9. Have been sitting all day trying out things ,and to figure out the best way to get it to work. I have 13 projects ,all from 8.04. I did a backup of all of them ,and simply restored them in V9. No ,only my main V8 project were using the special name and place style ,while the other projects mostly is using US standard name and place styles ,so I have to get all the name and place styles into my special style. I did find it easy to use John Cardinal`s TMG utility to switch all of names and place styles over to my special style ,but I had to create those styles in the other projects before TMG utility could change them to my special style. That was not much trouble..... Then I started to try out how to get the tagtypes straight ,so that the tagtypes in my main-project was the same as in the others. That was a bit a hard though. I don`t think I have found the most proper way of doing that yet... First ,I started to have my main project and one other project open at same time and comparing the tags against each other ,and write in sentences ,translations from the main project ,but found out that it takes very much time..... After that, I found that it was possible to import tagtypes from another project ,and restore them into another. Therefore ,I tried to export the tagtypes from my main project into a tags.xtt file ,and then importing those tags into the other projects afterwards. I tried it with one project ,and took a look at the tagtypelists in both projects ,and the result was good ,at least they had the same information ,sentences etc ,so it might be what I should do tomorrow.....??. ..........At least ,it is faster to do it that way ,than going through all the tagtypes comparing them to the main project with each of all the other projects..... That was as far I got today ,but will try a bit more tomorrow with this. Also tried to make an empty project ,and restoring a backup into it ,but anyway you will have the same tagtypes and will need to do the same things as if you just restore them into V9...... Maybe it is possible to make an empty project ,then first importing the tagtype xtt file ,and then secondly restore one of the backup projects after that?. Thinking thinking........ >From what you wrote..... "In your case you may only wish to copy the Tag Type list, the Master Place List, and the Styles. Then as continued in my book: . Close the project within TMG and then use TMG to copy the entire project with its new empty dataset into a new project . Delete all datasets in the new project except the new empty one, and renumber the empty dataset to '1' . Go back to your original project and delete the added empty dataset..........." I was able to copy the tag type list and styles to another dataset which I called "1" ,but did not get any further after that!!.... Close what project? ,I can`t get into that project 1 ,and to copy project (which??). and if I am going to delete all datasets in the new project except the empty one ,then I would have to delete the main project as well?? Hmmmmm -----Opprinnelig melding----- Fra: Michael J Hannah [mailto:mjh@rr-nm.net] Sendt: 29. mars 2017 23:14 Til: The Master Genealogist Rootsweb Email List <tmg@rootsweb.com> Kopi: gj_erov7@bbnett.no Emne: Re: [TMG] place and name styles into 9.05 Erik Hov wrote: > I have now finally gotten my projects into version 9.05... > I have changed the place and namestyles... How did you do this? You mentioned earlier that you had version 8 projects. Did you do a backup in V8 and restore in V9? Or did you simply Open the V8 projects in V9? Were the V8 projects already using your special place and name styles? If they were already being used in the V8 projects I don't understand why they were not migrated. However, as I mentioned earlier, I am not familiar with using alternate languages in TMG, so maybe some other user with experience in languages might have and idea and can help. However I do use alternate styles and have encountered issues with them. Styles are unique to a given dataset within a given project. > I have created another place/name style than US standard on some of > the other projects, but the rest are still using the US standard style... If you have not yet used these new styles in some projects, I do know that the *order* in which you create custom styles in the list of styles affects importing data which uses alternate custom styles. So if you import tags which use custom name or place styles, it appears that the style is stored upon export of that tag type as the n-th style in the list of Styles. The import does not match styles based on the style name, only on the position in the list. If the /sequence/ of styles in the exporting dataset and the importing dataset are not identical, the tag type will be linked to a different style in the imported dataset than it was in the exported dataset. If you have created a new Project with new customizations, and want to apply those customizations to other existing Projects, that can be a chore. Since you have quite a number, you may wish to consider my suggestions in my on-line book. See the topic concerning merging "Project Files with Customizations" in the Import/Export chapter: http://www.mjh-nm.net/IMEXPORT.HTML#MergingFiles This topic mentions methods of creating a new Project with the desired customizations, then importing/merging an existing dataset/project into this new Project which already has all the desired customizations, like styles. I would suggest the first of the two methods I mention under the subtopic "Retain Sources and Repositories." You would "Add" a new empty dataset (not a new Project) using the Dataset Manager to the existing project which has the desired customizations, such as styles. The "Add" action provides options to select which of various features will be copied from the currently selected existing dataset. I generally choose to retain all of these for my purposes, but you may not wish to. . Master Source List, categories, templates, and elements (all or nothing) . Master Repository List (all or nothing) . Tag Type List, global sentence structures, and roles (all or nothing) . Master Place List (all or nothing) . Flags (all or nothing) . Name and place styles (all or none) In your case you may only wish to copy the Tag Type list, the Master Place List, and the Styles. Then as continued in my book: . Close the project within TMG and then use TMG to copy the entire project with its new empty dataset into a new project . Delete all datasets in the new project except the new empty one, and renumber the empty dataset to '1' . Go back to your original project and delete the added empty dataset Now you have a new project with an empty dataset but with the copied customizations. Use TMG to make as many copies of this empty project as desired. Now you can Import and merge the data from each old project into its new customized project. Hope this gives you ideas, Michael

Hi Graeme, Somewhere in my collection of computers, I have a machine which has 2 versions of TMG on it, one that will open a .VCH file, and the other that can save a .VC2 file. I have done this for someone else. What you do is open the .VCH file CTRL+A, CTRL+C putting all the chart on the clipboard, then in the later Visual Chartform .VC2 version, with a new (empty chart) , click mouse at the top-left corner, then CRTL+V to paste it, in then save the file. Please send me a direct email (robin.lamacraft@internode.on.net) and we can discuss other options. Robin On 28-Mar-17 09:10 PM, Don Ferguson wrote: > Graeme, > I think I'm right in saying VCH belonged to Visual Chartform V1, which > shipped as part of TMG v4. > TMG v5.03 was using Visual Chartform v2.1, which I think was were VC2 files > arrived, so somewhere in-between is your answer.... > > As far as I know there is no VCH to VC2 conversion path, so your thinking is > correct (namely use an old version to read it). > I may still have my v4 CD somewhere if you get stuck (for those who don't > realise, Graeme and I are in the same city!) > > Good luck, > Don > > -----Original Message----- > From: TMG [mailto:tmg-bounces+don=ferguson.name@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > Graeme Simpson > Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 9:14 PM > To: TMG Main List <tmg@rootsweb.com> > Subject: [TMG] Read a VCH Chart > > I am trying to help someone read a VCH Chart which I understand is an early > version of VCF? > > What I need to know is what version of TMG do I need to be able to read this > file? The earliest version of TMG I own is 4.0a but have no idea where my > disk might be after all those years. > > Would TMG 5 be able to read this file? > > My aim is to output an image file so the person can look at the data it > contains. > > Any help greatly appreciated. > > Thanks > > Regards > Graeme Simpson > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > The TMG archive is found here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ > Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TMG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ > Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TMG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Robin Lamacraft, Adelaide, Australia

Graeme, I think I'm right in saying VCH belonged to Visual Chartform V1, which shipped as part of TMG v4. TMG v5.03 was using Visual Chartform v2.1, which I think was were VC2 files arrived, so somewhere in-between is your answer.... As far as I know there is no VCH to VC2 conversion path, so your thinking is correct (namely use an old version to read it). I may still have my v4 CD somewhere if you get stuck (for those who don't realise, Graeme and I are in the same city!) Good luck, Don -----Original Message----- From: TMG [mailto:tmg-bounces+don=ferguson.name@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Graeme Simpson Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 9:14 PM To: TMG Main List <tmg@rootsweb.com> Subject: [TMG] Read a VCH Chart I am trying to help someone read a VCH Chart which I understand is an early version of VCF? What I need to know is what version of TMG do I need to be able to read this file? The earliest version of TMG I own is 4.0a but have no idea where my disk might be after all those years. Would TMG 5 be able to read this file? My aim is to output an image file so the person can look at the data it contains. Any help greatly appreciated. Thanks Regards Graeme Simpson --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TMG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am trying to help someone read a VCH Chart which I understand is an early version of VCF? What I need to know is what version of TMG do I need to be able to read this file? The earliest version of TMG I own is 4.0a but have no idea where my disk might be after all those years. Would TMG 5 be able to read this file? My aim is to output an image file so the person can look at the data it contains. Any help greatly appreciated. Thanks Regards Graeme Simpson --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Cheryl, My last message and yours must have crossed in the mail. I see that you have found the issue, and it was language related. I am glad I could help. John

John, you nailed my problem and I am so grateful! My SS site uses a custom language with default to English, and I have my TMG IN reports set to that same custom language while I am trying to recreate the site. While my English U.S. sentence does not contain a leading space after the conditional bracket, my custom language sentence did - by accident, not design.) I had forgotten to check that and thank you so much! Cheryl Freeman -----Original Message----- From: TMG [mailto:tmg-bounces+cheryl=genattic.com@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John Cardinal Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 8:48 AM To: 'The Master Genealogist Rootsweb Email List' Subject: Re: [TMG] Missing preposition in sentence Cheryl, If the sentence preview shows the preposition, but TMG reports and SS do not, then my guess is that TMG reports and SS are not using the same sentence definition as the sentence preview. That can happen due to a language mismatch: you are using TMG in "English (U.S.)", but the reports are set to use "English (UK)", for example. You can determine which Sentence Language SS is using in the Language section of your SDF file. The sentence that is being used, the one without the preposition, probably has a leading space before [L], like this: < [L]> Alternatively, it may not be conditional: [L] Either one will disable the addition of the preposition. John

Lee, Thanks for the suggestions, and my apologies for sending this question twice. I've been out of the country for a month and forgot I had created a temporary rule in Outlook for list messages to move them from my Inbox :( There is no space before the conditional bracket and the [L]. I even got out my copy of GMOOT to make sure I remembered correctly! Since this seems to be a one-time situation, apparently not related to a user issue, I will hard code the preposition. Thanks! Cheryl Freeman -----Original Message----- From: TMG [mailto:tmg-bounces+cheryl=genattic.com@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lee Hoffman/KY Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 9:30 AM To: The Master Genealogist Rootsweb Email List Subject: Re: [TMG] Missing preposition in sentence At 3/27/2017 00:26, Cheryl Freeman wrote >The TMG sentence: >[:CR:][:CR:][S] witnessed the will of [R:Testator] <[D]> <[L]> > >shows the sentence preview: >Isaac Freeman witnessed the will of Henry Crumpton on 15 Jul 1806 in >Fairfield District, South Carolina. > >However, in a report (and in Second Site output) it generates this >sentence without the location preposition: >Isaac Freeman witnessed the will of Henry Crumpton (15732) on 15 Jul >1806 Fairfield District, South Carolina. > >All other sentences have their corresponding location prepositions, but >I can't get a preposition to appear here. What am I doing wrong? My first though was that your Report Definition Screen=>[Options]=>Places tab had the Preposition option set to "(blank)". However, you state that all other sentences had the preposition. Thus there must be some other reason. It may be that a spurious space has crept into your Sentence Structure. Specifically that the "<[L]>" entry has a space like this: "< [L]>" with the space before the left square bracket. Remove that space and the preposition should appear. If that does not resolve the problem, all I can suggest is that you force the preposition by hard coding it like: "<at [L]>" or "<in [L]>". Lee The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TMG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am asking for help. This is the TMG sentence: [:CR:][:CR:][S] witnessed the will of [R:Testator] <[D]> <[L]> This is what appears in the sentence preview: Isaac Freeman witnessed the will of Henry Crumpton on 15 Jul 1806 in Fairfield District, South Carolina. However, in a report (and in Second Site output) it generates this sentence without the location preposition: Isaac Freeman witnessed the will of Henry Crumpton (15732) on 15 Jul 1806 Fairfield District, South Carolina. All other sentences have their corresponding location prepositions, but I can't get a preposition to appear here. What am I doing wrong? Thanks!

Still working on that filter for non primary and primary marriages. Hopefully I might find out about it soon. Thanks so far. By the way...what version of TMG 8 (8.04 or 8.08) would get the results when it is going to be restored into 9.05? (No use in making much maintenance in 8.04 if it`s better to migrate from 8.08 to 9.05....) -----Opprinnelig melding----- Fra: TMG [mailto:tmg-bounces+gj_erov7=bbnett.no@rootsweb.com] På vegne av Lee Hoffman/KY Sendt: 25. mars 2017 16:36 Til: The Master Genealogist Rootsweb Email List <tmg@rootsweb.com> Emne: Re: [TMG] primary and non marriage tags on personview... At 3/25/2017 06:55, Erik Hov wrote > From where do I use this filter? ,project manager ,any reports? This is a 'people' filter and thus can be used in the List of People (LOP) report, and the Project Manager (PM). With the LOP report, you could also set a Custom Flag using the report's Secondary Output and also use the Flag to filter the PM -- like: [FLAG NAME] =EQUALS Y END This last is not _needed_, it would just simplify the PM filtering later if you do the work in multiple sessions. The Flag could also be used with other filter conditions to create more complex filters if they are needed. >Worth to try ,but the issue is not about merging. Got several of these >after importing from Gedcom (Family Edge plus) into TMG 4 in abt 2003. >The marriages could be listed as > A. Person (Male) [ID#1] > B. Person (Male) [ID#1] > C. Person (Female) [ID#2] > D. Person (Female) [ID#2] >They are to the same person ,only one tag is marked as primary ,the >others non primary. >(it was even worse if I had entered a divorce in family edge plus. Then >,I got lots of divorce tags as well (one primary and some non primary >(same ID) ,and also a memo tag with a note saying "location of >divorce..."....I have found most of these though). If you have a person with multiple marriages to the same person, only one can be Primary. The others would have to be non-Primary because only one Tag of a Tag Type may be Primary for the same Principal(s). The same would also apply to Divorce Tags or even Name, Birth, Death, Burial, Relationship, or any other Tag (except History -- History Tags don't have Principals). As to how these came to be multiple Tags, either there was a merging at some point, or someone added the Marriage Tag multiple times. During a merge of persons, TMG will retain all Tags from both persons even if they are for the exact same event because one Tag may contain something slightly different from the other. Usually this is the Memo, Witnesses, or Citations. Even if the Citations are the same, they may differ in the Citation Detail or Citation Memo. Further, the Surety Values of Citations may differ. These are all things that the user has to determine whether/how they should be retained. Lee The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TMG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The panic is over - I found the problem was my carelessness. Garry > Hello again Folks > > Now I have struck another problem. > I find that the current Dataset that was fine a short time ago has > become Locked. The Dataset Manager does not allow me to unlock it. > What do I do to correct the problem? > > Thanks > Garry >

At 3/27/2017 00:26, Cheryl Freeman wrote >The TMG sentence: >[:CR:][:CR:][S] witnessed the will of [R:Testator] <[D]> <[L]> > >shows the sentence preview: >Isaac Freeman witnessed the will of Henry Crumpton on 15 Jul 1806 in >Fairfield District, South Carolina. > >However, in a report (and in Second Site output) it generates this sentence >without the location preposition: >Isaac Freeman witnessed the will of Henry Crumpton (15732) on 15 Jul 1806 >Fairfield District, South Carolina. > >All other sentences have their corresponding location prepositions, but I >can't get a preposition to appear here. What am I doing wrong? My first though was that your Report Definition Screen=>[Options]=>Places tab had the Preposition option set to "(blank)". However, you state that all other sentences had the preposition. Thus there must be some other reason. It may be that a spurious space has crept into your Sentence Structure. Specifically that the "<[L]>" entry has a space like this: "< [L]>" with the space before the left square bracket. Remove that space and the preposition should appear. If that does not resolve the problem, all I can suggest is that you force the preposition by hard coding it like: "<at [L]>" or "<in [L]>". Lee

Cheryl, If the sentence preview shows the preposition, but TMG reports and SS do not, then my guess is that TMG reports and SS are not using the same sentence definition as the sentence preview. That can happen due to a language mismatch: you are using TMG in "English (U.S.)", but the reports are set to use "English (UK)", for example. You can determine which Sentence Language SS is using in the Language section of your SDF file. The sentence that is being used, the one without the preposition, probably has a leading space before [L], like this: < [L]> Alternatively, it may not be conditional: [L] Either one will disable the addition of the preposition. John

Make sentence < [L]> Notice space. Teresa Elliott > On Mar 26, 2017, at 11:26 PM, Cheryl Freeman <cheryl@genattic.com> wrote: > > > The TMG sentence: > [:CR:][:CR:][S] witnessed the will of [R:Testator] <[D]> <[L]> > > shows the sentence preview: > Isaac Freeman witnessed the will of Henry Crumpton on 15 Jul 1806 in > Fairfield District, South Carolina. > > However, in a report (and in Second Site output) it generates this sentence > without the location preposition: > Isaac Freeman witnessed the will of Henry Crumpton (15732) on 15 Jul 1806 > Fairfield District, South Carolina. > > All other sentences have their corresponding location prepositions, but I > can't get a preposition to appear here. What am I doing wrong? > > > Thanks! > > Cheryl Freeman > > > > > The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ > Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TMG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The TMG sentence: [:CR:][:CR:][S] witnessed the will of [R:Testator] <[D]> <[L]> shows the sentence preview: Isaac Freeman witnessed the will of Henry Crumpton on 15 Jul 1806 in Fairfield District, South Carolina. However, in a report (and in Second Site output) it generates this sentence without the location preposition: Isaac Freeman witnessed the will of Henry Crumpton (15732) on 15 Jul 1806 Fairfield District, South Carolina. All other sentences have their corresponding location prepositions, but I can't get a preposition to appear here. What am I doing wrong? Thanks! Cheryl Freeman

John - Thank you very much for the TMGU idea with the flag. I don't know why I didn't think of that - it's perfect. Actually I know why I missed it - it's way at the bottom. And thanks for the check about BMD tags. The BirthProb didn't create a birthdate to use for age calculating. However I have thousands of tags with other roles, such as residence, Military, Immigration, etc. Lee - I used roles primarily for creating different kinds of sentences. My residence tag has roles for moved, wasof, withdate, etc. If I didn't fix them, they would create not accurate data. Thanks again - Linda > On March 26, 2017 at 2:37 PM Lee Hoffman/KY <azchief@bellsouth.net> wrote: > > > At 3/26/2017 14:12, Linda Reinfeld wrote > >In preparation for moving (at some time) out of TMG I must convert > >all my P1 tags with roles to P1 tags with no roles. I have thousands > >of these tags. I have done some event by event, but it is tedious > > Are you sure that you need to do this? It sounds like a lot of work > for no need. > > All Tags have Roles. Which Role is used by the user basically > depends on the Tag/Witness Sentence that is desired. The default > Role for most Tags is Principal for the two Principal slots (P1 & > P2), and Witness for all Witnesses. But, it is not really any > different (other than the associated Sentences) than any other Role. > > If the transfer to a new program is via GEDCOM, Roles are not > included anyway. If the transfer is by GenBridge (direct transfer) > then there should be no concern as the Roles would also transfer IF > the new program has that provision. If the new program does not have > Roles then which Roles is in use in TMG will not make a difference. > > Lee >

At 3/26/2017 14:12, Linda Reinfeld wrote >In preparation for moving (at some time) out of TMG I must convert >all my P1 tags with roles to P1 tags with no roles. I have thousands >of these tags. I have done some event by event, but it is tedious Are you sure that you need to do this? It sounds like a lot of work for no need. All Tags have Roles. Which Role is used by the user basically depends on the Tag/Witness Sentence that is desired. The default Role for most Tags is Principal for the two Principal slots (P1 & P2), and Witness for all Witnesses. But, it is not really any different (other than the associated Sentences) than any other Role. If the transfer to a new program is via GEDCOM, Roles are not included anyway. If the transfer is by GenBridge (direct transfer) then there should be no concern as the Roles would also transfer IF the new program has that provision. If the new program does not have Roles then which Roles is in use in TMG will not make a difference. Lee

Linda, Change Event Type supports TMGU's Flag Filter. If you set a custom flag for everyone whose Birth Event you want to change to a BirthProb event, then you can tell TMGU to change Birth events only for those people. Unfortunately, if you have some people with multiple Birth events, but only one of those should be changed, you are out of luck; using the Flag Filter, TMGU will either change all of the Birth tags for a person, or none of them. Before you do anything, you should verify that the target application will produce a reasonable outcome when you use a non-standard Birth Group event. Perhaps there are other event types where using a custom event will help, but in my experience, other applications have restrictions on the Birth, Death and (to a lesser extent) Marriage event types. The custom tag may not be recognized as a birth, or it may be recognized as a birth but imported such that BirthProb is indistinguishable from Birth after it is loaded. John

Hi John - In preparation for moving (at some time) out of TMG I must convert all my P1 tags with roles to P1 tags with no roles. I have thousands of these tags. I have done some event by event, but it is tedious..... Is there a facility in TMGU that I am overlooking? I would like to change tag Birth.Probably to a new tag BirthProb (that I have already defined). I have run TMGU to find out the roles. I can't do Events/Change Event Type because I have thousands of Births that shouldn't be changed. Thanks for the help Linda Reinfeld

Hi From the Report Definition Screen I am trying to0 save a Report but I keep getting the Error Message: Printer not activated Error Code 30. What am I doing wrong? Thanks Garry

At 3/25/2017 20:51, Garry F Bell wrote > From the Report Definition Screen I am trying to0 save a Report but > I keep getting the Error Message: Printer not activated Error Code 30. > >What am I doing wrong? Probably only saving with the printer set to a non-existent printer. In most cases, the printer is set properly, but sometimes the setting is not right. In the Report Definition Screen, click on the [Properties] buttin in the Report Destination section to display the Printer setup window. Choose the Windows default or the appropriate Selected printer and any other desired settings. Click [OK] to save the selections. This should allow you to save the Report Definition/ Lee