John, I checked the two brothers and both have "U.S. Standard Name" In fact, I checked everyone in the family and they were *all* "U.S. Standard Name", even though 4 were indexed in one group and 6 in another. Jim On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 11:37 AM, John Cardinal <John@johncardinal.com> wrote: > Jim, > > It's possible you created custom Name Styles without doing so deliberately. > > The Surname sort template is a property of a Name Style. > > To see which Name Style is used by a name, double-click the name record to > open the Tag Entry window. You'll see a button labeled "Name Style". The > text to the right of the button is the current Name Style. For U.S. users, > the Name Style is typically "U.S. Standard Name". > > Open the two names for the brothers to see if they are using the same Name > Style. If they are both using "U.S. Standard Name", we can move on to other > possible causes. If they are not the same, or they are the same, but they > are not using "U.S. Standard Name", let me know. > > John > > > > The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb. > ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ > Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb. > ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TMG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Jim, It's possible you created custom Name Styles without doing so deliberately. The Surname sort template is a property of a Name Style. To see which Name Style is used by a name, double-click the name record to open the Tag Entry window. You'll see a button labeled "Name Style". The text to the right of the button is the current Name Style. For U.S. users, the Name Style is typically "U.S. Standard Name". Open the two names for the brothers to see if they are using the same Name Style. If they are both using "U.S. Standard Name", we can move on to other possible causes. If they are not the same, or they are the same, but they are not using "U.S. Standard Name", let me know. John

John, thanks for your reply, I have never used name style, Where do I look to see if they are different? Also, where do I find the Sort Output Template? Jim On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 6:59 AM, John Cardinal <John@johncardinal.com> wrote: > Jim, > > Do the two brother's names use the same Name Style? If not, check the name > styles and copy/paste the Sort output template in your reply. There may be > an error in the template. > > John > > The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb. > ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ > Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb. > ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TMG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Jim, Do the two brother's names use the same Name Style? If not, check the name styles and copy/paste the Sort output template in your reply. There may be an error in the template. John

SS Surname Index shows two entries for same surname and in Master Name Index shows two groupings with same surname. There are two brothers from same family where one shows up in one index group and his brother in the other group. I have checked spelling in TMG to see if there is extra space or some hidden reason why two groups show up, but can find no reason. What else could I check? using TMG v9.05, SSv6.2.9, Windows 10/64 Thanks, Jim

Nancy Lawson asked: > I am able to fix most of the data by going to Preferences, > Program Options, Data Entry. But nothing I do seems to change > the TAG ENTRY lines once they have been filled in and bringing > them up to check info. TAG LIST increases, sentence structure > increases, but never the final entry screen. Hi Nancy, I cover setting fonts in the Style chapter of my on-line book: http://www.mjh-nm.net/STYLE.HTML#DisplayFonts If I understand you correctly, I don't know of a way in TMG: "I also can find no settings which affect the date and location fields in the Tag Entry screen, the repeat fields popup lists, the list of people in the Bookmarks, nor the size of fonts in the “Tips and Hints” separate window." I also mention in a footnote: "It is possible that some font size MS Windows Advanced Display Option for one of the many types/versions of MS windows may affect some of the fields which do not have a TMG option, but I have not discovered one." You can try various MS Windows font size settings and you may find something which helps. Michael

TMG users, Near the end of March, I announced a free license offer: purchase a web hosting package from my Family History Hosting service, and receive a free license for either Second Site or GedSite. That offer expired on March 31st. I published the offer via Dick Eastman's newsletter, and I don't think many TMG users heard about it. Almost all the responses were for GedSite. I should have announced the offer here, too, given it's a popular spot for TMG users. So, for the next ten days, I am repeating the offer but only announcing it here and on the WG Forum. If you want to get online, this is the way to do it. You'll get a free license for Second Site (or GedSite, if you want), and I will personally help you through the steps of publishing your first site. If you already have a license for Second Site, you can give the free license to someone else. To take advantage of the offer, contact me off-list at JFCardinal@gmail.com. This offer expires at midnight on April 20th, 2017. John Cardinal Second Site - GedSite - Family History Hosting

I am able to fix most of the data by going to Preferences, Program Options, Data Entry. But nothing I do seems to change the TAG ENTRY lines once they have been filled in and bringing them up to check info. TAG LIST increases, sentence structure increases, but never the final entry screen. Thank you for your help. Thank you, Nancy

I followed your instructions and the error message no longer appears. Thank you Mr Bieber!! FYI, I believe that file was probably loaded and mistakenly left in when one of your colleagues helped me repair a corrupted file about 2 years ago. My bad. Now fixed. -----Original Message----- From: TMG [mailto:tmg-bounces+gsbrown=q.com@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of tmg-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, April 7, 2017 1:01 AM To: tmg@rootsweb.com Subject: TMG Digest, Vol 12, Issue 141 Send TMG mailing list submissions to tmg@rootsweb.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists2.rootsweb.ancestry.com/mailman/listinfo/tmg or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to tmg-request@rootsweb.com

I decided this sounded logical and just did it. TMG is working perfectly on my new notebook. Thanks for the help! Cheryl -----Original Message----- From: Cheryl Freeman [mailto:cheryl@genattic.com] Sent: Thursday, April 6, 2017 9:47 AM To: 'The Master Genealogist Rootsweb Email List' <tmg@rootsweb.com> Subject: Exporting Importing custom language Was RE: [TMG] Restoring TMG project to new PC Yes, Lee, I have been navigating in it and all appears well. Thanks so much for the confirmation. One more question, if I may. I have a Second Site heavily customized language, and as I am installing TMG on my new PC, I am getting the message about strings.dbf and exporting my custom language. I remember doing this in 2014, but can't find exact directions in these archives or on the WG Community site. Maybe I'm not using the right search terms. At any rate, is this correct process? 1) Install the last version of TMG on my notebook. Do I select yes or no to overwrite my strings.dbf file as I will be restoring a backup later? Does it matter? 2) From my old notebook that still has my project open, I select File/Language/Customize/Export and export my customized language. 3) After restoring a backup on my new PC, I open my project and select File/Lanugage/Customize/Import and import the language file I exported in step 2. Am I missing anything? Just want to be sure I understand what I am doing so I don't have rework. Thanks! Cheryl

At 04:55 PM 4/6/2017, Garry Brown wrote: >When I open TMG on the desktop I get the following message. File Access >Denied c:\Programdata\TheMasterGenealogist v9\repair.chk 11 >TMGAPPOBJ.MFOXFIX There are three options: Well... the normal investigation would be to find out /why/ that file is giving you a file access error. Note: ProgramData is normally a hidden directory; you may have to set your computer to show hidden directories and files before you can find the named file. Note that I do not have such a file. I'd suggest as a test renaming the file to repair.chk-old and trying to run TMG (I'd also suggest a restart of the computer, or at least logging off and back on, after renaming the file -- just in case there is something hanging around linked to the file). -- bieber.genealogy@earthlink.net Dennis Lee Bieber HTTP://home.earthlink.net/~bieber.genealogy/

I am running TMG 9.05.0000 on two different computers, a Surface Pro3 laptop and a Dell Desktop, both are 64 bit machines running the latest updates of Windows 10. TMG was installed on both machines from the same download. When I open TMG on the laptop it starts correctly and runs without problems. When I open TMG on the desktop I get the following message. File Access Denied c:\Programdata\TheMasterGenealogist v9\repair.chk 11 TMGAPPOBJ.MFOXFIX There are three options: 1. Retry (Selecting this simply yields the same message) 2. Abort ( If this is selected the program runs with no apparent problem) 3. Ignore (If selected I get the following message-Repair mode has been activated. The application will now operate more slowly as it validates each file that is opened. Repair mode will off the next time you run. I click OK and TMG appears to run correctly but I will repeat this process every time I run.) I understand that one could say "What's the problem? Click Abort." However I am somewhat nervous about being so dependent on a no longer supported program. I want to keep it as clean as possible. Can you tell me how to make this go away or can you at least reassure me that there is no problem? Garry Brown gsbrown@q.com

Yes, Lee, I have been navigating in it and all appears well. Thanks so much for the confirmation. One more question, if I may. I have a Second Site heavily customized language, and as I am installing TMG on my new PC, I am getting the message about strings.dbf and exporting my custom language. I remember doing this in 2014, but can't find exact directions in these archives or on the WG Community site. Maybe I'm not using the right search terms. At any rate, is this correct process? 1) Install the last version of TMG on my notebook. Do I select yes or no to overwrite my strings.dbf file as I will be restoring a backup later? Does it matter? 2) From my old notebook that still has my project open, I select File/Language/Customize/Export and export my customized language. 3) After restoring a backup on my new PC, I open my project and select File/Lanugage/Customize/Import and import the language file I exported in step 2. Am I missing anything? Just want to be sure I understand what I am doing so I don't have rework. Thanks! Cheryl -----Original Message----- From: TMG [mailto:tmg-bounces+cheryl=genattic.com@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lee Hoffman/KY Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2017 9:56 PM To: The Master Genealogist Rootsweb Email List <tmg@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [TMG] Restoring TMG project to new PC If TMG opens the project of copied files and allows you to navigate to various persons, places, Sources, Repositories, Tasks, Exhibits, Tag Entry Screens, and any other records then there is probably not a problem. Further, if you can create a TMG backup of those files, again it is probably good. Yes, I would keep the older backup in case.

At 4/5/2017 22:38, Cheryl Freeman wrote >Is there any risk to backing up this project created from copied files, and >installing the resulting updated .sqz file to my new PC? I would, of >course, keep my 24 March backup, but if there is a possibility that I've >damaged something by copying my data files back to my old notebook rather >than restoring a backup, I'd rather know now, than a month from now after >more data entry's been done. If TMG opens the project of copied files and allows you to navigate to various persons, places, Sources, Repositories, Tasks, Exhibits, Tag Entry Screens, and any other records then there is probably not a problem. Further, if you can create a TMG backup of those files, again it is probably good. Yes, I would keep the older backup in case. Lee

The love of my life spilled a glass of champagne on my 3 year old notebook PC, and it is dying a slow death. (My PC, that is!) I have a new notebook and am incredibly grateful that I had just put a 2TB storage system on my network and backed up to it. I am now moving files and installing programs on my new notebook. The date of my last TMG project backup is 24 March 17. I have done maybe 10 hours worth of work in TMG since then; work I would rather not lose, if possible. Before I realized my backup was 10 days old, I'd deleted my TMG files from the old notebook but not uninstalled the program. I copied the files in my TMG v.9 user folder (data files, not program files) from my storage device back to old the old notebook. Then I opened the program and TMG said it was running in repair mode; rebuilt the indexes, etc. The result seems to be stable and my data appears to be there. Is there any risk to backing up this project created from copied files, and installing the resulting updated .sqz file to my new PC? I would, of course, keep my 24 March backup, but if there is a possibility that I've damaged something by copying my data files back to my old notebook rather than restoring a backup, I'd rather know now, than a month from now after more data entry's been done. Thanks! Cheryl Freeman

Thanks to Don and Robin for offering advise and help. Robin is going to help me convert the VCH chart to an image file. Regards Graeme Simpson >I am trying to help someone read a VCH Chart which I understand is an early >version of VCF? --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Thank you Bob for your interest. As soon as possible after the release of HRE 1.0 we would like to add a *Place Research Type* for all those researchers who are doing One-Place Studies. Location names are part of this but they are separate from the research of Events that are related to each Place within a study area like parish or a settlement I know of a number of TMG users who have twisted TMG to work for their one-place studies. Regards,Robin On 03-Apr-17 06:05 PM, Bob Hunter wrote: > That, Robin, is much more than I was hoping for! But I can see myself using > all the options you describe, particularly the "relationship tags" and the > grouping facility. Thank you! > > BobH > > > -----Original Message----- > From: TMG [mailto:tmg-bounces+rmwhunter=blueyonder.co.uk@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of robin lamacraft > Sent: 03 April 2017 01:05 > To: The Master Genealogist Rootsweb Email List <tmg@rootsweb.com> > Subject: [TMG] HRE Locations (was Re: Sentence structure help) > > Michael and Richard are correct. > > HRE raises the Location to the equivalent status and tools that are > associated with Persons. > > An HRE Location has its own Location ID with Name Variants defined by > Location Name Tags. One Location Name Variant can be marked primary, while > others can be selected for output with a particular Event, Task or > Repository. Locations have user-definable Location Flags. These can be used > in filters. Each Location Name Variant can have a valid date-range, > sentences and a set of memos, leading to the ability to define a narrative > report about a selected group of Locations - quite important anywhere where > there has been considerable change over time, particularly in European > history. > > Locations in HRE also have Location Relationship Tags which allow for > relationships like "contains", "touches", "near", "distance between", > "north of", etc to enable locations to be clustered. > > A Location in HRE is classified as a "Group-Derived" type of data. This > means that, unlike Persons (which are Biological Items), a Location can be > split into smaller Locations or a number of Locations can be combined into a > larger Location, e.g. plots of land. In both cases the new entities get > their own unique IDs, but the links back to the prior state remain. > > Sentences will also allow the presentation of more than one Location Name > Variant of a Location. This has 2 forms of use and output: > (Examples only - added extra text is defined by a user-controlled template) > > An event occurred at *A (now known as B)* > - B the primary or an nominated commonly-used alternative location name > > An event occurred at *A* (A)* > - where A* is the name of that location in another, usually the native, > language and > - A is the name of the location in the Reporting Language > > I hope that clarifies change of status of Locations in HRE. > > RobinL > > > The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ > Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TMG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Robin Lamacraft, Adelaide, Australia

That, Robin, is much more than I was hoping for! But I can see myself using all the options you describe, particularly the "relationship tags" and the grouping facility. Thank you! BobH -----Original Message----- From: TMG [mailto:tmg-bounces+rmwhunter=blueyonder.co.uk@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of robin lamacraft Sent: 03 April 2017 01:05 To: The Master Genealogist Rootsweb Email List <tmg@rootsweb.com> Subject: [TMG] HRE Locations (was Re: Sentence structure help) Michael and Richard are correct. HRE raises the Location to the equivalent status and tools that are associated with Persons. An HRE Location has its own Location ID with Name Variants defined by Location Name Tags. One Location Name Variant can be marked primary, while others can be selected for output with a particular Event, Task or Repository. Locations have user-definable Location Flags. These can be used in filters. Each Location Name Variant can have a valid date-range, sentences and a set of memos, leading to the ability to define a narrative report about a selected group of Locations - quite important anywhere where there has been considerable change over time, particularly in European history. Locations in HRE also have Location Relationship Tags which allow for relationships like "contains", "touches", "near", "distance between", "north of", etc to enable locations to be clustered. A Location in HRE is classified as a "Group-Derived" type of data. This means that, unlike Persons (which are Biological Items), a Location can be split into smaller Locations or a number of Locations can be combined into a larger Location, e.g. plots of land. In both cases the new entities get their own unique IDs, but the links back to the prior state remain. Sentences will also allow the presentation of more than one Location Name Variant of a Location. This has 2 forms of use and output: (Examples only - added extra text is defined by a user-controlled template) An event occurred at *A (now known as B)* - B the primary or an nominated commonly-used alternative location name An event occurred at *A* (A)* - where A* is the name of that location in another, usually the native, language and - A is the name of the location in the Reporting Language I hope that clarifies change of status of Locations in HRE. RobinL

Michael and Richard are correct. HRE raises the Location to the equivalent status and tools that are associated with Persons. An HRE Location has its own Location ID with Name Variants defined by Location Name Tags. One Location Name Variant can be marked primary, while others can be selected for output with a particular Event, Task or Repository. Locations have user-definable Location Flags. These can be used in filters. Each Location Name Variant can have a valid date-range, sentences and a set of memos, leading to the ability to define a narrative report about a selected group of Locations - quite important anywhere where there has been considerable change over time, particularly in European history. Locations in HRE also have Location Relationship Tags which allow for relationships like "contains", "touches", "near", "distance between", "north of", etc to enable locations to be clustered. A Location in HRE is classified as a "Group-Derived" type of data. This means that, unlike Persons (which are Biological Items), a Location can be split into smaller Locations or a number of Locations can be combined into a larger Location, e.g. plots of land. In both cases the new entities get their own unique IDs, but the links back to the prior state remain. Sentences will also allow the presentation of more than one Location Name Variant of a Location. This has 2 forms of use and output: (Examples only - added extra text is defined by a user-controlled template) An event occurred at *A (now known as B)* - B the primary or an nominated commonly-used alternative location name An event occurred at *A* (A)* - where A* is the name of that location in another, usually the native, language and - A is the name of the location in the Reporting Language I hope that clarifies change of status of Locations in HRE. RobinL On 03-Apr-17 05:38 AM, Michael J Hannah wrote: >>> Bob Hunter commented: >>>> I use the place name as it existed / was recorded at the time. > > So do I, Bob. But I do try to have some indication that the name is > no longer current. Often I add a comment to the Citation which is the > source of this name indicating alternative names. > >>>> One of the refinements I would like TMG to have had (and which I >>>> believe HRE will have) is the ability for a place to have >>>> Name Variations in the same way as a person can. > > You "sort of" can in TMG, see below. Of course as Susan mentions > below you also could include a Date range and/or a Comment in that > location's Master Place Record giving its valid time span and > referring to other name variations. Second Site allows output of > those Comments (but not date range) as Information about a Place > record in a Place Index. > >> Richard Damon replied: >>> My understanding is that HRE will have something akin to that. TMG >>> sort of does, as it doesn't really have a strong concept of a >>> 'Place', but just 'names' for a place, so you can enter as many >>> different 'names' as you want for a given location, you are just >>> missing something to pull them all to a common record of other >>> information about the place. > > As I understand it, HRE will have more options to connect more and > different database records. I believe HRE will have the concept of a > "thing" (my "technical" term <grin>) which can have many other > database "things" connected to it. So a "location thing" could have > multiple "name things" as well as multiple "event things" connected to > it. I believe its design is to have more flexibility in the tools > which allows more options for the user to define such concepts. > > and Susan G. Johnston responded: >> TMG's Master Place List allows one to enter a start year and an end >> year, as well as comments, for each place name. I use this >> extensively for some areas whose history and name changes I've found >> very confusing. There are other areas where I should be using this >> more. It's not quite as flexible or informative as a >> PlaceName-Variation would be, but it's better than nothing. > > Yes, I use TMG's Place Record Comments for many purposes like this > because they output in Second Site. All of the above suggestions are > helpful. But... Richard complained: >>> you are just missing something to pull them all to a common record >>> of other information about the place. > > Well, you "can" create something in TMG to pull these multiple names > to a common record with other information. For a few locations (such > as cemeteries) which are of significance to me in my project I use > Location "pseudo people". Such a "person" can then have non-Primary > (custom) Name Variations. Those Name tags of course can have date > ranges and memos which will output in their sentences. Such a > "person" can even have a Created (Birth) tag and a Dissolved (Death) > tag to indicate a fixed time range during which such a location > existed, and Relationship tags to link them to their predecessors, > successors, or associated locations. These "people" can also have > other (custom) tags describing any additional information. And such a > "person" can be linked as a Witness with a (custom) role using any of > their Name Variations to any other tag associated with that location. > One can even use that witness' name variation instead of the Location > field in that tag's sentences. > > All takes a bit more work to do the data entry, so I only do it for > special locations, but it "can" be very useful. > > For descriptions of some of my ideas on using this TMG customization > see the topic "Location Person" in the Style chapter of my on-line book: > http://www.mjh-nm.net/STYLE.HTML#LocationPerson > > Hope this gives you ideas, > > Michael > The TMG archive is found here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ > Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TMG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Robin Lamacraft, Adelaide, Australia

On 4/3/17 4:35 AM, Bob Hunter wrote: > That, Robin, is much more than I was hoping for! But I can see myself using > all the options you describe, particularly the "relationship tags" and the > grouping facility. Thank you! > > BobH > One way to look at the idea behind HRE, is that you can have a number of different types of 'Focus Items', the things you want to talk about. These can be persons, places, things, events, sources, etc. You can define a number of different relationships between these Focus Items, and assign properties to them. properties describe the item by itself, being things like a name, description, sex, etc. Relationships are any sort of interaction or interrelationship between items, like was parent of, married, contains, became, documents, etc (these are in TMG thing like the relationship tags, event tags, and source citations). This is a very general purpose model, which can be adapted for lots of different usages. Some items have a built in meaning, so that for instance the parent-of relationship can be used to build a genealogical tree. Others can be invented by the user to represent any interaction they want. There will no longer be a need for a pseudo-person, as the focus item concept IS generalized, so there is no need to be pseudo about it. -- Richard Damon