I took all advice and would like to thank everyone for their suggestions. SOME THING WORKED. And I was able to successfully use TMG v9.05 to develop a family gedcom that was accepted by Ancestry.com without error...that I know of at this time. What I did was go into my computer and found that I had a number of cloud computing services installed but did not know that I had them. I deinstalled Amazon drive, edrive, Microsoft one drive, icloud and idrive v60. One of them was the culprit but I do not know which one. Interestingly, the only one that seemed to be working was Amazon Drive where I found that it stored pictures. The others had not been used to my knowledge. I will reinstall one by one starting with Amazon drive and see if any affects TMG when I develop gedcoms. Thanks again...Roger N. Whiting.

It is not necessarily a backup program. It could be any program that is accessing your files. As well as backups, other culprits have included Anti-Malware programs doing their scans, as well as such as Dropbox if you are using their folders for storing files. For example - I used to have all my TMG files on One-Drive and never had any problems - but understood how there could be problems so I placed them elsewhere. The only files now on One-Drive are the TMG backups which I manually place there after a backup so that I have an online backup. My overall backup program (Acronis) runs at 20:30 every day and copies everything to an external drive. It only takes a few minutes for the incremental backup (more for the weekly full) and I am careful not to use applications at that time. Regards Chris -----Original Message----- From: TMG [mailto:tmg-bounces+christopher.gray=gray-ons.org@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Roger N Whiting Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2017 2:19 PM To: tmg@rootsweb.com Subject: [TMG] Back up Issues... First as far as I know, I do not have an automated backup program running. Prior to my attempting to develop a family gedcom, I did reindex, optimize and backed up the particular family data base. I now have closed reopened TMG 9.05 and attempted to develop another family gedcom...a family separate from the first that failed. Still no luck. Any suggestions how I might find if another backup program inadvertently had backed up my TMG 9.05 data bases or in fact others data bases. Thanks...Roger N. Whiting On 6/24/17 1:00 AM, tmg-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Send TMG mailing list submissions to > tmg@rootsweb.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists2.rootsweb.ancestry.com/mailman/listinfo/tmg > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > tmg-request@rootsweb.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > tmg-owner@rootsweb.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of TMG digest..." > > > The TMG archive is at: > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ > How to subscribe to TMG is at: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Gedcom Creation Error (Dennis Lee Bieber) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2017 22:43:06 -0400 > From: Dennis Lee Bieber <bieber.genealogy@earthlink.net> > To: The Master Genealogist Rootsweb Email List <tmg@rootsweb.com> > Cc: <TMG-L@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [TMG] Gedcom Creation Error > Message-ID: <E1dObdz-000ASA-Fr@elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > At 04:20 PM 6/23/2017, Roger N Whiting wrote: >> Recently I have developed several family gedcoms for use at Ancestry >> and to send to relatives. All of have worked quite well until today >> when an error message occurred twice when trying to develop a >> particular family gedcom. During the gedcom export process using TMG >> 9.05, I received an error message as follows three or four times when >> developing the gedcom: >> >> File access is denied. >> >> c:\users\owner\appdata\local\temp\tmg35496085\_file_e.fpt. 4736 >> MSUBSTITUTION_E > And the usual suspects must be interrogated... > > Do you have any sort of real-time backup system running? If > you do, is that directory (C:\...\temp) included in the backup? If it > is, the odds are that the backup system has locked the file between > TMG accesses. > > -- > bieber.genealogy@earthlink.net Dennis Lee Bieber > HTTP://home.earthlink.net/~bieber.genealogy/ > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > To contact the TMG list administrator, send an email to > TMG-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the TMG mailing list, send an email to TMG@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TMG-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. > > > ------------------------------ > > End of TMG Digest, Vol 12, Issue 278 > ************************************ The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TMG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

TMG Users: I have been following the GEDCOM creation error thread with some interest. I use Carbonite to back-up my files on a daily basis. Can a program such as Carbonite, which is constantly running when my computer is on, create problems when, for example I create a GEDCOM and save in my TMGv9/Export file? If so I can block Carbonite from backing up the TMGv9/Export file. I'm looking forward to your input, so I can get in front of this possible issue. Regards, Sandra Imyak

I recently had the same problem. I have DropBox and Mozy backup. They were not the problem. I started deleting or disabling various programs. I discovered it was a program called CyberRansom that was causing the error. I suggest disabling the various malware programs until you find the one causing the issue. Louise Rosett > On Jun 24, 2017, at 9:04 AM, <christopher.gray@gray-ons.org> <christopher.gray@gray-ons.org> wrote: > > It is not necessarily a backup program. It could be any program that is > accessing your files. As well as backups, other culprits have included > Anti-Malware programs doing their scans, as well as such as Dropbox if you > are using their folders for storing files. For example - I used to have all > my TMG files on One-Drive and never had any problems - but understood how > there could be problems so I placed them elsewhere. The only files now on > One-Drive are the TMG backups which I manually place there after a backup so > that I have an online backup. > > My overall backup program (Acronis) runs at 20:30 every day and copies > everything to an external drive. It only takes a few minutes for the > incremental backup (more for the weekly full) and I am careful not to use > applications at that time. > > Regards > > Chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: TMG [mailto:tmg-bounces+christopher.gray=gray-ons.org@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Roger N Whiting > Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2017 2:19 PM > To: tmg@rootsweb.com > Subject: [TMG] Back up Issues... > > First as far as I know, I do not have an automated backup program running. > Prior to my attempting to develop a family gedcom, I did reindex, optimize > and backed up the particular family data base. I now have closed reopened > TMG 9.05 and attempted to develop another family gedcom...a family separate > from the first that failed. Still no luck. > > Any suggestions how I might find if another backup program inadvertently had > backed up my TMG 9.05 data bases or in fact others data bases. > > Thanks...Roger N. Whiting > > On 6/24/17 1:00 AM, tmg-request@rootsweb.com wrote: >> Send TMG mailing list submissions to >> tmg@rootsweb.com >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://lists2.rootsweb.ancestry.com/mailman/listinfo/tmg >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> tmg-request@rootsweb.com >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> tmg-owner@rootsweb.com >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of TMG digest..." >> >> >> The TMG archive is at: >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ >> How to subscribe to TMG is at: >> http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: Gedcom Creation Error (Dennis Lee Bieber) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2017 22:43:06 -0400 >> From: Dennis Lee Bieber <bieber.genealogy@earthlink.net> >> To: The Master Genealogist Rootsweb Email List <tmg@rootsweb.com> >> Cc: <TMG-L@rootsweb.com> >> Subject: Re: [TMG] Gedcom Creation Error >> Message-ID: <E1dObdz-000ASA-Fr@elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >> >> At 04:20 PM 6/23/2017, Roger N Whiting wrote: >>> Recently I have developed several family gedcoms for use at Ancestry >>> and to send to relatives. All of have worked quite well until today >>> when an error message occurred twice when trying to develop a >>> particular family gedcom. During the gedcom export process using TMG >>> 9.05, I received an error message as follows three or four times when >>> developing the gedcom: >>> >>> File access is denied. >>> >>> c:\users\owner\appdata\local\temp\tmg35496085\_file_e.fpt. 4736 >>> MSUBSTITUTION_E >> And the usual suspects must be interrogated... >> >> Do you have any sort of real-time backup system running? If >> you do, is that directory (C:\...\temp) included in the backup? If it >> is, the odds are that the backup system has locked the file between >> TMG accesses. >> >> -- >> bieber.genealogy@earthlink.net Dennis Lee Bieber >> HTTP://home.earthlink.net/~bieber.genealogy/ >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Subject: Digest Footer >> >> To contact the TMG list administrator, send an email to >> TMG-admin@rootsweb.com. >> >> To post a message to the TMG mailing list, send an email to > TMG@rootsweb.com. >> >> __________________________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> TMG-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> End of TMG Digest, Vol 12, Issue 278 >> ************************************ > > The TMG archive is found here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ > Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TMG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ > Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TMG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

First as far as I know, I do not have an automated backup program running. Prior to my attempting to develop a family gedcom, I did reindex, optimize and backed up the particular family data base. I now have closed reopened TMG 9.05 and attempted to develop another family gedcom...a family separate from the first that failed. Still no luck. Any suggestions how I might find if another backup program inadvertently had backed up my TMG 9.05 data bases or in fact others data bases. Thanks...Roger N. Whiting On 6/24/17 1:00 AM, tmg-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Send TMG mailing list submissions to > tmg@rootsweb.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists2.rootsweb.ancestry.com/mailman/listinfo/tmg > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > tmg-request@rootsweb.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > tmg-owner@rootsweb.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of TMG digest..." > > > The TMG archive is at: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ > How to subscribe to TMG is at: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Gedcom Creation Error (Dennis Lee Bieber) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2017 22:43:06 -0400 > From: Dennis Lee Bieber <bieber.genealogy@earthlink.net> > To: The Master Genealogist Rootsweb Email List <tmg@rootsweb.com> > Cc: <TMG-L@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [TMG] Gedcom Creation Error > Message-ID: <E1dObdz-000ASA-Fr@elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > At 04:20 PM 6/23/2017, Roger N Whiting wrote: >> Recently I have developed several family gedcoms for use at Ancestry >> and to send to relatives. All of have worked quite well until today >> when an error message occurred twice when trying to develop a >> particular family gedcom. During the gedcom export process using >> TMG 9.05, I received an error message as follows three or four times >> when developing the gedcom: >> >> File access is denied. >> >> c:\users\owner\appdata\local\temp\tmg35496085\_file_e.fpt. 4736 >> MSUBSTITUTION_E > And the usual suspects must be interrogated... > > Do you have any sort of real-time backup system running? If > you do, is that directory (C:\...\temp) included in the backup? If it > is, the odds are that the backup system has locked the file between > TMG accesses. > > -- > bieber.genealogy@earthlink.net Dennis Lee Bieber > HTTP://home.earthlink.net/~bieber.genealogy/ > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > To contact the TMG list administrator, send an email to > TMG-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the TMG mailing list, send an email to TMG@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TMG-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > ------------------------------ > > End of TMG Digest, Vol 12, Issue 278 > ************************************

At 04:20 PM 6/23/2017, Roger N Whiting wrote: >Recently I have developed several family gedcoms for use at Ancestry >and to send to relatives. All of have worked quite well until today >when an error message occurred twice when trying to develop a >particular family gedcom. During the gedcom export process using >TMG 9.05, I received an error message as follows three or four times >when developing the gedcom: > > File access is denied. > > c:\users\owner\appdata\local\temp\tmg35496085\_file_e.fpt. 4736 >MSUBSTITUTION_E And the usual suspects must be interrogated... Do you have any sort of real-time backup system running? If you do, is that directory (C:\...\temp) included in the backup? If it is, the odds are that the backup system has locked the file between TMG accesses. -- bieber.genealogy@earthlink.net Dennis Lee Bieber HTTP://home.earthlink.net/~bieber.genealogy/

On 6/23/2017 4:20 PM, Roger N Whiting wrote: > Recently I have developed several family gedcoms for use at Ancestry > and to send to relatives. All of have worked quite well until today > when an error message occurred twice when trying to develop a > particular family gedcom. During the gedcom export process using TMG > 9.05, I received an error message as follows three or four times when > developing the gedcom: > > File access is denied. > > c:\users\owner\appdata\local\temp\tmg35496085\_file_e.fpt. > 4736 MSUBSTITUTION_E > > I was allowed 3 decision choices...abort, retry or ignore. I tried > all three options several times. Obviously when I used the second or > third choice, the program continued. As said, the error message > appeared several times with no difference in message. > > When I transfer the gedcom to Ancestry, the individuals are not > connected to parents, siblings, or spouses...BUT...are in the Ancestry > tree but not connected to one another. > > When I transfer the gedcom to RootsMagic7, importing the gedcom fails > but direct transfer using the TMG 9.05 data base does transfer. > > What to do... Roger, Remove the program that is interfering with the creation of the GEDCOM. It is most likely a cloud backup or sync program, but could also be an antivirus. TMG needs exclusive access to it's files and the GEDCOM while the file is being created. Terry Reigel

Recently I have developed several family gedcoms for use at Ancestry and to send to relatives. All of have worked quite well until today when an error message occurred twice when trying to develop a particular family gedcom. During the gedcom export process using TMG 9.05, I received an error message as follows three or four times when developing the gedcom: File access is denied. c:\users\owner\appdata\local\temp\tmg35496085\_file_e.fpt. 4736 MSUBSTITUTION_E I was allowed 3 decision choices...abort, retry or ignore. I tried all three options several times. Obviously when I used the second or third choice, the program continued. As said, the error message appeared several times with no difference in message. When I transfer the gedcom to Ancestry, the individuals are not connected to parents, siblings, or spouses...BUT...are in the Ancestry tree but not connected to one another. When I transfer the gedcom to RootsMagic7, importing the gedcom fails but direct transfer using the TMG 9.05 data base does transfer. What to do... Roger N. Whiting 1302 Banyan Drive Fort Collins, CO 80521

On 6/20/2017 11:26 AM, Roger Troutman wrote: > My biggest problem is that I can no longer find my serial number for said > version.- My BAD! If you can't find your serial number you can email support@whollygenes.com and ask them to find it for you. At last report someone was still reading those emails and responding, though it may take a while. In the meantime you can install TMG 9 and use it for the free 30-day trial you automatically get when you install. However don't do this if you intend to keep using TMG 8 as discussed below, because you will not be able to import any data you save in TMG 9 back into TMG8. > First, v. 9 installed successfully on a Windows 7 PC as an Administrator. > > However, I (probably in extreme error) used a v. 4.xx key. > This action allowed me to continue operation of the v. 9 on a 30-day trial > basis. Actually that had nothing to do with the 30-day trial. It is automatically in effect once you install and open the program until you successfully activate it with a valid serial number. > Questions: 1) can v. 9.04 be loaded and run successfully using a v. 8.04 > key? No. They are separate programs and only a TMG 9 serial number will unlock TMG 9. > 2) Out of curiosity, why does the v.4 serial number > reappear (and was not deleted) during an otherwise successful program > deletion? So the program is automatically unlocked on re-install (assuming you had used a valid serial number. In addition, the fact that you have previously installed a given version prevents you from getting another 30-day free trial by simply uninstalling an re-installing. > 3) Do I have to buy a new v. 9 key in order to use TMG > beyond 30 days? Yes, unless you can successfully recover your previous one as I described above. > 4) Are said keys (I presume I don't need the software, > available from Mr. Goegebeur: (the last person I heard might have a key > available. Yes. > 5) Is there an alternative workaround for my problem? You have three choices, so far as I can tell. 1. Get your previous serial number from Wholly Genes. 2. Buy a new one from Harry. 3. install and use TMG 8, assuming you have a copy of your data in TMG 8 or earlier format. > 6) Failing a workaround or the lacking availability of a > 9.xx key, is a download version available on the internet to reload my v. > 8 on to another computer? Yes. Several places, including those listed on my website at http://tmg.reigelridge.com/future.htm#wait You don't have to load it on a different computer - TMG 8 and 9 are separate programs and can co-exist on the same computer. However data once imported into TMG 9 can no longer be opened in TMG 8. BTW, TMG 9.04 is obsolete. If you do get a TMG 9 serial number you should install TMG 9.05, which is available from a link on the above page. Terry Reigel

Well at least they answered!! Not much solace but...... Kaye Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 20, 2017, at 11:36 AM, Toby Turner <tturner1984@comcast.net> wrote: > > I received this message from the Family History Center this morning: "Thank you for notifying us of this error in our records. We believe this was fixed, but apparently the problem has arisen again. > We have notified the engineers of the problem. We have no idea of how long the correction will take.” > > I am still finding nearly one-half of all entries checked to link to the wrong image - anywhere from one to 16 images off. > Toby Turner > The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ > Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TMG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I received this message from the Family History Center this morning: "Thank you for notifying us of this error in our records. We believe this was fixed, but apparently the problem has arisen again. We have notified the engineers of the problem. We have no idea of how long the correction will take.” I am still finding nearly one-half of all entries checked to link to the wrong image - anywhere from one to 16 images off. Toby Turner

After a couple of year hiatus doing genealogy work, I am attempting to load my personal Gold copy of TMG v. 9.04 which I bought a couple of years ago. This was in anticipation of TMG's developmental demise. A prudent precaution even though I would not, at that time, be using TMG for the then foreseeable future. This a.m. I attempted loading v. 9.04 from my diskette but soon realized that the above ungrade delay was ill advised. M y biggest problem is that I can no longer find my serial number for said version.- My BAD! Lacking the proper serial number, I continued to load TMG while attempting to use old serial numbers. First, v. 9 installed successfully on a Windows 7 PC as an Administrator. However, I (probably in extreme error) used a v. 4.xx key. This action allowed me to continue operation of the v. 9 on a 30-day trial basis. I then found a key for v. 8.04 on another computer with my name and email listed on the initial splash screen and the About TMG tab I uninstalled TMG and used the newer key to reinstall TMG. It installed ok, but still listed the v. 4. key. I then entered the 8.04 key but again the installation was deemed invalid. I did this several times to no avail (Note: during each attempt, the old v. 4 serial number appeared on the initial splash screen). Questions: 1) can v. 9.04 be loaded and run successfully using a v. 8.04 key? 2) Out of curiosity, why does the v.4 serial number reappear (and was not deleted) during an otherwise successful program deletion? 3) Do I have to buy a new v. 9 key in order to use TMG beyond 30 days? 4) Are said keys (I presume I don't need the software, available from Mr. Goegebeur: (the last person I heard might have a key available. 5) Is there an alternative workaround for my problem? 6) Failing a workaround or the lacking availability of a 9.xx key, is a download version available on the internet to reload my v. 8 on to another computer? I hope you are all having a better genealogical day than I am. Thanks for any response in helping me resolve my situation. Roger Troutman Mansfield Ohio

Interesting.  I'm a FaG contributor myself, but I've never dealt with a  prefix to a name. It looks like FaG ignores the "prefix" and only searches using the first, last and middle names. If you search only for "Henry Sellers," you'll get that person (among others).  The memorial number is certainly helpful! Brian  On Monday, June 19, 2017 10:11 AM, Lee Hoffman/KY <azchief@bellsouth.net> wrote: At 6/19/2017 12:36, Robin Kaspar wrote > > On Jun 19, 2017, at 11:52 AM, Lee Hoffman/KY > <azchief@bellsouth.net> wrote: > > > > There are Find A Grave  memorials that cannot > be accessed by the name of the deceased. > > You can find the memorial if you know the > memorial number or the contributor's name. > > As far as I can tell, this only applies to > memorial where there is not a known grave and > > cemetery.  The memorial number is best, but > you can find it under the contributor though > > that might take a bit of scanning if the > contributor made many contributions. > >Tell me more about this. I have been able to >find memorials for unknown burials (i.e. >cremations) by the name of the deceased. The >times I have trouble finding a memorial is if I >am searching on information that is not present >in the memorial or if I’m spelling the name >differently, or they’ve put the first and >middle name in the first name box, maiden name >in the middle name box, etc. IE birth date. I >may know the birthdate but the memorial creator >has input it as unknown. Or maybe I’m trying >search criteria that’s too specific. And I >know you can click on the contributor’s link >on a memorial and go to their profile, see all >the memorials they’ve created, their public >message list, etc. But as far as I know, you >cannot search for a contributor without the link >on the memorial. If someone knows how to do >that, please let me know. It would be helpful at times. An example would be to find:         SGT Henry Sellers, born 1744 in Edgecombe County, North Carolina Entering the above does not find the page for me.  But if you search for Memorial# 180379024, you will find the page. Now, it may be that my search entries have been different from the expected, but finding the page via the contributor or the memorial number always find the page.  And I cannot find that I entered the wrong search information when I do get the page. Lee The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TMG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Robin, I think Lee and Terry have said everything I could say, and more. The one thing I will emphasize is something that Terry touched on... The more independent sources for citations you have, the more confidence you can have in the citation.  Independence is key. For example, an original (or image) of a birth certificate is a good source for birth date, but it could be in error.  A  contemporaneous newspaper notice of the birth is an independent source for that date. As another example, my dad told me that family lore said my great-grandmother was a Byerly.  I later discovered a death certificate for a relative which listed his parents, and his mother was a Byerly.  Success!  Oh, wait, my grand aunt filled out that part of the certificate.  Oops.  Family lore, again. I generally cite things like FamilySearch database listings only until I've seen the original microfilm (assuming there is one).  I then cite the film and delete the database listings.  Terry's  obviously much more careful - his approach is a prudent one.  Soapbox.  I've found so many crazy things in Ancestry trees that I never cite them.  For the most part they have no citations, and the ones that do often cite sources that don't contain information to support what's being claimed, or claim things that are impossible (people alive decades after their death, etc.)  I  sometimes put  information from them that has no citation in my "things to research" list, but that's about it.  Those trees are a terrible example of multiple dependent sources.  Soapbox off. Brian .   On Monday, June 19, 2017 10:09 AM, Terry Reigel <terry@reigelridge.com> wrote: On 6/19/2017 10:44 AM, Robin Kaspar wrote: > Speaking of source citations, I’ve been wondering. > > How many sources do you cite for any particular fact? Do you give yourself a limit? (We should be so fortunate to have multiple sources for all our events). Robin, Basically, all I find. I do draw a line with adding citations to less reliable sources after I have a dozen or so which include some sound ones. But I never remove old ones, so a few tags have more than tag. For example, I find 22 name tags with over 15 citations, and 3 with over 20. However, I exclude all but two or three citations, or occasionally a couple more when the information is conflicted. That way all the sources I've found are visible from the tag, but there are a reasonable number of footnotes. I am particularly interested having available what all my sources show about a person's name and about what they say about a person's age/birthdate and birth place when I don't have solid sources for those. I exclude any citation that seems to be a derivative of another source I've cited. I sort the remaining citations based on my perception of the source's reliability and whether they provided information not provided by another, then exclude those after two or three unless more are needed to support all the data in the tag. I update this process whenever I add a new citation to a tag. The one exception I make to this "rule" is for occupation tags when I have sources reporting for different time periods, like census records. In that case I leave most or all of them un-excluded. Terry Reigel The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TMG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On 6/19/2017 3:22 PM, ronrad@epix.net wrote: > Hi, > I have version 9.04 Silver and didn’t realize that I needed the gold version to print an index. Is this gold version available anywhere to purchase? Paula, Yes. See the link to Harry Goegebeur at http://tmg.reigelridge.com/future.htm#resellers You don't need to re-install to change to the gold version. Just use got to the Help menu and upgrade to the gold version using the serial number you get from Harry. However, I would think it best to upgrade from TMG 9.04 to 9.05. To do that, download the 9.05 installer (link on the same page) and run it. Terry Reigel

Hi, I have version 9.04 Silver and didn’t realize that I needed the gold version to print an index. Is this gold version available anywhere to purchase? Thanks, Paula

At 6/19/2017 14:01, Brian Gross wrote >Interesting.  I'm a FaG contributor myself, but >I've never dealt with a  prefix to a name. It >looks like FaG ignores the "prefix" and only >searches using the first, last and middle names. >If you search only for "Henry Sellers," you'll >get that person (among others).  The memorial number is certainly helpful! And Robin also said it was found by just the name without the title. Interestingly, I did not find it that way, but by just the memorial number. And, I could also find it via the contributor's page -- tho' that would not be as simple. Lee

> On Jun 19, 2017, at 1:10 PM, Lee Hoffman/KY <azchief@bellsouth.net> wrote: > > An example would be to find: > SGT Henry Sellers, born 1744 in Edgecombe County, North Carolina > Entering the above does not find the page for me. But if you search for Memorial# 180379024, you will find the page. He came right up for me. The creator put the SGT in the prefix field and you can’t search on prefix. If you were trying the SGT in the first name field, that’s probably why it isn’t working. I searched on Henry Sellers b. 1744. Robin in Short Pump

At 6/19/2017 12:36, Robin Kaspar wrote > > On Jun 19, 2017, at 11:52 AM, Lee Hoffman/KY > <azchief@bellsouth.net> wrote: > > > > There are Find A Grave memorials that cannot > be accessed by the name of the deceased. > > You can find the memorial if you know the > memorial number or the contributor's name. > > As far as I can tell, this only applies to > memorial where there is not a known grave and > > cemetery. The memorial number is best, but > you can find it under the contributor though > > that might take a bit of scanning if the > contributor made many contributions. > >Tell me more about this. I have been able to >find memorials for unknown burials (i.e. >cremations) by the name of the deceased. The >times I have trouble finding a memorial is if I >am searching on information that is not present >in the memorial or if I’m spelling the name >differently, or they’ve put the first and >middle name in the first name box, maiden name >in the middle name box, etc. IE birth date. I >may know the birthdate but the memorial creator >has input it as unknown. Or maybe I’m trying >search criteria that’s too specific. And I >know you can click on the contributor’s link >on a memorial and go to their profile, see all >the memorials they’ve created, their public >message list, etc. But as far as I know, you >cannot search for a contributor without the link >on the memorial. If someone knows how to do >that, please let me know. It would be helpful at times. An example would be to find: SGT Henry Sellers, born 1744 in Edgecombe County, North Carolina Entering the above does not find the page for me. But if you search for Memorial# 180379024, you will find the page. Now, it may be that my search entries have been different from the expected, but finding the page via the contributor or the memorial number always find the page. And I cannot find that I entered the wrong search information when I do get the page. Lee

On 6/19/2017 10:44 AM, Robin Kaspar wrote: > Speaking of source citations, I’ve been wondering. > > How many sources do you cite for any particular fact? Do you give yourself a limit? (We should be so fortunate to have multiple sources for all our events). Robin, Basically, all I find. I do draw a line with adding citations to less reliable sources after I have a dozen or so which include some sound ones. But I never remove old ones, so a few tags have more than tag. For example, I find 22 name tags with over 15 citations, and 3 with over 20. However, I exclude all but two or three citations, or occasionally a couple more when the information is conflicted. That way all the sources I've found are visible from the tag, but there are a reasonable number of footnotes. I am particularly interested having available what all my sources show about a person's name and about what they say about a person's age/birthdate and birth place when I don't have solid sources for those. I exclude any citation that seems to be a derivative of another source I've cited. I sort the remaining citations based on my perception of the source's reliability and whether they provided information not provided by another, then exclude those after two or three unless more are needed to support all the data in the tag. I update this process whenever I add a new citation to a tag. The one exception I make to this "rule" is for occupation tags when I have sources reporting for different time periods, like census records. In that case I leave most or all of them un-excluded. Terry Reigel