I did create the temporary folder to restore to and I confirmed the wizard pointed to that folder. Was there a special place that folder should have been located? I put it as a sub folder under the projects folder. I was surprised it was detecting existing files. Sent from my iPad > On Feb 4, 2019, at 4:40 PM, Michael J. Hannah <mjh@rr-nm.net> wrote: > > Robin Kaspar wrote: >> Looks like my restore went well. During the process it asked if >> I wanted to override a bunch of files that were “existing” >> and I said no to all. Hope that was the right answer. > > Possibly not, Robin. It sounds like you did not follow my suggestion to create a new temporary Windows folder and restore the project into that empty folder. Since it asked to override files, it sounds like you were restoring into the same Windows folder as where your original project files were located. Since you did not "override", it is possible that some corrupted files of that project may have been left intact. > >> ...when you say to have TMG “delete” and “move” the files, >> are you talking about just editing the path to the files >> in the Preferences? > > No, this is different. *If* you restored the project to a different folder than where your original project was located, once you verify it is good you may wish to "move" it (back) to the orginal project folder. When in TMG, "File/Close" the current project (not Exit). This will leave you in TMG, but no project actively showing. Now use the TMG File menu still on the screen and choose "File/Delete Project" to delete all of the many files of the bad project. That gets rid of all the old, possibly corrupted, files of that project. Then use the TMG File menu and choose "Move Project" to move all the files of the verified good restored project back to the original folder. > > Realize that a TMG project contains many tens of files. It is not just one file. That is why you let TMG do the moving/deleting. > > Once the resored project is back in the original Windows folder you should still check the paths to files in the Preferences to be sure they point to the correct Windows folder. That is a separate thing. > > Hope this makes more sense, > > Michael

At 2/4/2019 4:44 PM, leoglue wrote: >I am not at my computer but I recall a report that may be titled "places" >or something like that where you can edit the addresses which worked very >well for me. You can sort your data by detail, city, county, state or >country etc. You can edit from the report saving you the effort to go back >to the person to make the edits.Leo Glueckstein 920 698 1669Sent from my > U.S.Cellular© Smartphone S9 To my knowledge NONE of the TMG "reports" provide a feature for data editing (except if exporting as CSV -- as that can be imported into Excel... But getting the edits back into TMG is a different matter). I suspect you are referring to Tools/ Master Place List -- bieber.genealogy@earthlink.net Dennis Lee Bieber HTTP://home.earthlink.net/~bieber.genealogy/

On 2/4/2019 4:44 PM, leoglue wrote: > I am not at my computer but I recall a report that may be titled "places" or something like that where you can edit the addresses which worked very well for me. You can sort your data by detail, city, county, state or country etc. You can edit from the report saving you the effort to go back to the person to make the edits. Leo, What you are describing is not a Report, but the Master Place List. But I'm not seeing how that relates to Joel's question. Terry

I am not at my computer but I recall a report that may be titled "places" or something like that where you can edit the addresses which worked very well for me. You can sort your data by detail, city, county, state or country etc. You can edit from the report saving you the effort to go back to the person to make the edits.Leo Glueckstein 920 698 1669Sent from my U.S.Cellular© Smartphone S9 -------- Original message --------From: "Michael J. Hannah" <mjh@rr-nm.net> Date: 2/4/19 3:10 PM (GMT-05:00) To: The Master Genealogist Rootsweb Email List <tmg@rootsweb.com> Cc: BARB & JOEL WATNE <j.watne@comcast.net> Subject: [TMG] Re: Number of Citations in Master Place List Joel Watne commented:> Typing “Alexandria” in the “city” space brings up ten places using F2,> including several with GPS coordinates and cities in Virginia and South Dakota.No, Joel, F2 does not bring up ten "places" in your example.  As Terry wrote, what F2 produces is "a specialized list of place *fragments* starting from the field you were in when you pressed that key."  In fact only if one enters data in a very strict way and uses F2 in an extremely limited way will it ever bring up "places".The following is from the beginning of the section in my "Data Entry" chapter of my on-line book where I describe usage of the F2 key in a location field of a tag entry screen.  See:https://www.mjh-nm.net/DATENTRY.HTML#F2Code"Unwanted duplicates or unwanted changes to the MPL are often introduced due to the clever and (probably) useful but non-intuitive (to me) functioning of the F2 key as it applies to searching for existing places. In searching for an existing place in the MPL, F2 finds all entries that match what is entered in the field containing the cursor and _higher_ level fields from that point on. All _lower_ level fields are left blank even though the MPL may have multiple matching entries with non-blank lower fields. They are left blank because TMG has no way to determine which one you want. The only way to ensure that when you use F2 you search the _entire_ MPL is to force a non-blank value in the Addressee [L1] field of _every_ place, and always put your cursor in a blank [L1] field when you use F2."It is because of this (non-intuitive) functioning of the F2 key that I enter a custom "F2 sort code" value in [L1] of *every* MPL "place". Because *all* of my "places" have this non-blank [L1], when I press F2 in a blank [L1] of a tag entry screen its "specialized list of place fragments" now contains every MPL "place" sorted by the values in [L1].   I find [F2] used this way allows me to find any existing "place" to be selected and thus copied into the tag entry fields.Hope this gives you ideas,Michael_______________________________________________Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebprefUnsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/tmg@rootsweb.comPrivacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY  Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blogRootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Thanks so much, both Michael and Lee - very helpful. Regards Jacquie -----Original Message----- From: Lee Hoffman <azchief@bellsouth.net> Sent: Tuesday, 5 February 2019 8:13 AM To: The Master Genealogist Rootsweb Email List <tmg@rootsweb.com> Subject: [TMG] Re: Adding people from Geni At 2/4/2019 15:28, Michael J. Hannah wrote >Hi Jacquie, > >No one seems to have replied, and I don't use Geni so can't answer your >specific question. But... > >After many problems caused, I never import other's data directly into >TMG. I always simply view the information window and enter it myself >into TMG using my data entry standards and conventions. This has >regularly saved me lots of grief and mix-up in my data. Like Michael, I also do not use Geni, but having looked at it, the only way that I see that data on GENI can be shared is through export via a GEDCOM file. And, yes, TMG can import a GEDCOM file. Having said that, there are many downsides to using GEDCOM. The basic problem is that there is no GEDCOM _standard_. The LDS Church developed GEDCOM as a method of transferring genealogical data. The idea was well-accepted by the community. However, the GEDCOM specifications have not been written in such a way that genealogy program vendors can implement the protocol unambiguously. This is primarily due to the fact that many terms used by genealogists are not precisely defined. In most cases, GEDCOM can be used to transfer _basic_ data (name, sex, date/place for birth, marriage, death, burial). Beyond this, some data may be lost on import. The better program will output an "error" report describing the non-imported data. One thing to keep in mind is that imported data from a GEDCOM import will always go into a new data set (you can make it a new project). I seldom import GEDCOM precisely because such files are subject to data loss as well as often containing unreliable data. However, it is a way to import large amounts of data with a minimum of typing. Once I have the GEDCOM file imported then I massage each and every pieve of data. The end result is almost as much typing as just hand-entering the data. Still, there is some advantage to having it in TMG so I can verify the data and insure that each and every piece of data is documented with Source Citations telling where I got the data from as well as adding other confirming Source Citations. After this verification and associated "clean-up" (making sure the data is entered inaccordance with my data-entry standards (see <http://www.tmgtips.com/datentry.htm>). I _may_ then decide to merge the resulting data set into another data set and then make any further merging of people and added connections. There are times that I do not add the cleaned-up data set to another for a variety of reasons. Notably, I don't because I have found that the data from the GEDCOM is flawed, not related to anyone in my own data, or just isn't worth the bother. On the other hand, one piece of data that I find in a GEDCOM is whose entered the data in the first place. Using this as a contact, I can often meet a new cousin and that usually geives me much new information about another branch of my family. Lee _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/tmg@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Robin Kaspar wrote: > Looks like my restore went well. During the process it asked if > I wanted to override a bunch of files that were “existing” > and I said no to all. Hope that was the right answer. Possibly not, Robin. It sounds like you did not follow my suggestion to create a new temporary Windows folder and restore the project into that empty folder. Since it asked to override files, it sounds like you were restoring into the same Windows folder as where your original project files were located. Since you did not "override", it is possible that some corrupted files of that project may have been left intact. > ...when you say to have TMG “delete” and “move” the files, > are you talking about just editing the path to the files > in the Preferences? No, this is different. *If* you restored the project to a different folder than where your original project was located, once you verify it is good you may wish to "move" it (back) to the orginal project folder. When in TMG, "File/Close" the current project (not Exit). This will leave you in TMG, but no project actively showing. Now use the TMG File menu still on the screen and choose "File/Delete Project" to delete all of the many files of the bad project. That gets rid of all the old, possibly corrupted, files of that project. Then use the TMG File menu and choose "Move Project" to move all the files of the verified good restored project back to the original folder. Realize that a TMG project contains many tens of files. It is not just one file. That is why you let TMG do the moving/deleting. Once the resored project is back in the original Windows folder you should still check the paths to files in the Preferences to be sure they point to the correct Windows folder. That is a separate thing. Hope this makes more sense, Michael

At 2/4/2019 15:28, Michael J. Hannah wrote >Hi Jacquie, > >No one seems to have replied, and I don't use Geni so can't answer >your specific question. But... > >After many problems caused, I never import other's data directly >into TMG. I always simply view the information window and enter it >myself into TMG using my data entry standards and conventions. This >has regularly saved me lots of grief and mix-up in my data. Like Michael, I also do not use Geni, but having looked at it, the only way that I see that data on GENI can be shared is through export via a GEDCOM file. And, yes, TMG can import a GEDCOM file. Having said that, there are many downsides to using GEDCOM. The basic problem is that there is no GEDCOM _standard_. The LDS Church developed GEDCOM as a method of transferring genealogical data. The idea was well-accepted by the community. However, the GEDCOM specifications have not been written in such a way that genealogy program vendors can implement the protocol unambiguously. This is primarily due to the fact that many terms used by genealogists are not precisely defined. In most cases, GEDCOM can be used to transfer _basic_ data (name, sex, date/place for birth, marriage, death, burial). Beyond this, some data may be lost on import. The better program will output an "error" report describing the non-imported data. One thing to keep in mind is that imported data from a GEDCOM import will always go into a new data set (you can make it a new project). I seldom import GEDCOM precisely because such files are subject to data loss as well as often containing unreliable data. However, it is a way to import large amounts of data with a minimum of typing. Once I have the GEDCOM file imported then I massage each and every pieve of data. The end result is almost as much typing as just hand-entering the data. Still, there is some advantage to having it in TMG so I can verify the data and insure that each and every piece of data is documented with Source Citations telling where I got the data from as well as adding other confirming Source Citations. After this verification and associated "clean-up" (making sure the data is entered inaccordance with my data-entry standards (see <http://www.tmgtips.com/datentry.htm>). I _may_ then decide to merge the resulting data set into another data set and then make any further merging of people and added connections. There are times that I do not add the cleaned-up data set to another for a variety of reasons. Notably, I don't because I have found that the data from the GEDCOM is flawed, not related to anyone in my own data, or just isn't worth the bother. On the other hand, one piece of data that I find in a GEDCOM is whose entered the data in the first place. Using this as a contact, I can often meet a new cousin and that usually geives me much new information about another branch of my family. Lee

Hi Jacquie, No one seems to have replied, and I don't use Geni so can't answer your specific question. But... After many problems caused, I never import other's data directly into TMG. I always simply view the information window and enter it myself into TMG using my data entry standards and conventions. This has regularly saved me lots of grief and mix-up in my data. Just my way of working, Michael

Joel Watne commented: > Typing “Alexandria” in the “city” space brings up ten places using F2, > including several with GPS coordinates and cities in Virginia and South Dakota. No, Joel, F2 does not bring up ten "places" in your example. As Terry wrote, what F2 produces is "a specialized list of place *fragments* starting from the field you were in when you pressed that key." In fact only if one enters data in a very strict way and uses F2 in an extremely limited way will it ever bring up "places". The following is from the beginning of the section in my "Data Entry" chapter of my on-line book where I describe usage of the F2 key in a location field of a tag entry screen. See: https://www.mjh-nm.net/DATENTRY.HTML#F2Code "Unwanted duplicates or unwanted changes to the MPL are often introduced due to the clever and (probably) useful but non-intuitive (to me) functioning of the F2 key as it applies to searching for existing places. In searching for an existing place in the MPL, F2 finds all entries that match what is entered in the field containing the cursor and _higher_ level fields from that point on. All _lower_ level fields are left blank even though the MPL may have multiple matching entries with non-blank lower fields. They are left blank because TMG has no way to determine which one you want. The only way to ensure that when you use F2 you search the _entire_ MPL is to force a non-blank value in the Addressee [L1] field of _every_ place, and always put your cursor in a blank [L1] field when you use F2." It is because of this (non-intuitive) functioning of the F2 key that I enter a custom "F2 sort code" value in [L1] of *every* MPL "place". Because *all* of my "places" have this non-blank [L1], when I press F2 in a blank [L1] of a tag entry screen its "specialized list of place fragments" now contains every MPL "place" sorted by the values in [L1]. I find [F2] used this way allows me to find any existing "place" to be selected and thus copied into the tag entry fields. Hope this gives you ideas, Michael

On 3 February 2019, Terry Reigel wrote: "Remember that a "place" consists of an entry with all values being exactly the same. If the entry in any field is different, a new "place" is created. Thus, every time you enter a new Detail - street address for example - you create a new place. Likewise, if you omit any field, say county, state, or country, or add a field, say LatLong, you create a new place. "Beginning there, when you press F2 you are not bringing up the Master Place List. You are bringing up a specialized list of place fragments starting from the field you were in when you pressed that key. Each of those fragments may appear in several different "places" as defined above. That is, when you see "Alexandria, Douglas County, Minnesota" listed because you have pressed F2 from the City field, that may be a part of dozens of different "places" with different values in the Details field. "The "frequency" column in that list does not mean the number of times that place is entered, but rather the number of "places" that place fragment appears in. The number after a city/county/state entry will only increase when you add a new Detail with that same city/county/state." …. Thanks, Terry, for the clarification as to what the numbers in the “frequency” column represent. I was aware that any change in details, including typos, creates a new “place.” Typing “Alexandria” in the “city” space brings up ten places using F2, including several with GPS coordinates and cities in Virginia and South Dakota. Joel

Thanks! Joan -----Original Message----- From: archde.omaha@cox.net <archde.omaha@cox.net> Sent: Monday, February 4, 2019 9:43 AM To: 'The Master Genealogist Rootsweb Email List' <tmg@rootsweb.com> Subject: [TMG] Re: Filtered Right-click anywhere in the section below the red filtered, then scroll down to Filter For, open the list to the right of the arrow and uncheck the box. Nancy > -----Original Message----- > From: joanklince@earthlink.net <joanklince@earthlink.net> > Sent: Sunday, February 3, 2019 10:14 PM > > In the Person View my screen says Filtered in red on the left near the top. > I used to know how to clear it, but it has escaped me, and I couldn't > find the > answer in Help or in GTMOOTMG. Would some kind soul help me out? _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/tmg@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Thank you! Joan -----Original Message----- From: Donald Range <deranger2@gmail.com> Sent: Sunday, February 3, 2019 11:36 PM To: tmg@rootsweb.com Subject: [TMG] Re: Filtered Joan, Select any tag name below the "Filtered" word, right-click the tag name, choose "Filter for," and click on any item that is checked to uncheck it. If more than one item is checked repeat until no items are checked. That should cause all tags to be displayed and remove the red "Filtered" sign. On 2/3/2019 8:13 PM, joanklince@earthlink.net wrote: > In the Person View my screen says Filtered in red on the left near the top. > I used to know how to clear it, but it has escaped me, and I couldn't > find the answer in Help or in GTMOOTMG. Would some kind soul help me out? > > Joan Lince > _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/tmg@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Robert Thorpe asked: > Does TMG have a direct import from RootsMagic? Roger, The direct import options for TMG are listed in TMG's HELP in the topic "Import From..." which does not list RootsMagic. As any current version of RootsMagic was probably released after the development of TMG ended, it should be clear that TMG would not handle it. I don't know about any possible options in RootsMagic, but it was based on the older program named "Family Origins", for which TMG had a direct import of versions up to number 10. Possibly? RootsMagic might have an option to create a backwards compatible backup ".FOW" file for that older program/version? If so, TMG could import that. Hope this helps, Michael

Brian Gross wrote: > Thank you for the tip. I clearly don't understand the correct way to do > this. > > I have a Marriage tag followed by a Name-Marr tag. I'd originally used a > single date for the Date and Sort Date for both events. The resulting > sentences were not in the correct order in the report. > > Incrementing the Sort Date for the Name-Marr tag by one day produced a > correct report output. > > Trying to follow your information by using a single date but appending a "?" > to the Sort Date of the Name-Marr tag produced two outputs of the Name-Marr > sentence in the report. Hi Brian, The only way I can imagine producing two outputs of the Name-Marr sentence is if there are two Name-Marr tags. There should only be one for a given Marriage. Commonly a Name-Marr tag is automatically produced by TMG (possibly as a result of agreeing to a prompt) when you Add a Marriage tag. That automatically produced Name-Marr tag will be created with the same Date and Sort Date as the Marriage tag. Just open that existing Name-Marr tag for edit, put your cursor at the end of its existing Sort Date, add a question mark character at the end, and Okay the tag edit window. Hope this helps, Michael

Right-click anywhere in the section below the red filtered, then scroll down to Filter For, open the list to the right of the arrow and uncheck the box. Nancy > -----Original Message----- > From: joanklince@earthlink.net <joanklince@earthlink.net> > Sent: Sunday, February 3, 2019 10:14 PM > > In the Person View my screen says Filtered in red on the left near the top. > I used to know how to clear it, but it has escaped me, and I couldn't find the > answer in Help or in GTMOOTMG. Would some kind soul help me out?

Thank you Dennis, I will certainly try it. -----Message d'origine----- De : Dennis Lee Bieber <bieber.genealogy@earthlink.net> Envoyé : jeudi 31 janvier 2019 17:43 À : The Master Genealogist Rootsweb Email List <tmg@rootsweb.com> Objet : [TMG] Re: MyHeritage gedcom file At 1/31/2019 4:43 PM, <alain.vanwayenberge@skynet.be> wrote: >Hi, > >I am trying to import a gedcom file produced by MyHeritage into TMG. > >The program keeps telling me the UFT-8 gedcom file can't be imported. > >Is there a way to avoid that? > Well... Make sure the program that is generating the GEDCOM is using 7-bit ASCII or ANSEL. In the meantime -- open the GEDCOM using a plain text editor (NOT a word processor). Visually scan the file looking for anything that is not ASCII -- ie; any accented characters, foreign language glyphs. If you don't see any, go back to the top of the file and change the line that states UTF-8 to read ASCII instead, save the file, and try importing that version. -- bieber.genealogy@earthlink.net Dennis Lee Bieber HTTP://home.earthlink.net/~bieber.genealogy/ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/tmg@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Thank you John, I will certainly try it. Alain -----Message d'origine----- De : John Cordes <john.cordes@dal.ca> Envoyé : jeudi 31 janvier 2019 17:11 À : tmg@rootsweb.com Objet : [TMG] Re: MyHeritage gedcom file You could try doing this (on a backup of the file!): Open the Gedcom file in a text editor such as Notepad and look for a line fairly near the top which probably looks like this: 1 CHAR UTF-8 Change the UTF-8 to ANSI and save. This should allow the file to be read by TMG. John Cordes On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 04:43:18PM +0100, alain.vanwayenberge@skynet.be wrote: > Hi, > > I am trying to import a gedcom file produced by MyHeritage into TMG. > > The program keeps telling me the UFT-8 gedcom file can't be imported. > > Is there a way to avoid that? > > Thanks for your help. > > Alain Van Wayenberge _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/tmg@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

No need to respond. I have helped this user. Constance Chappell Horne TMG List Administrator

Looks like my restore went well. During the process it asked if I wanted to override a bunch of files that were “existing” and I said no to all. Hope that was the right answer. Now when you say to have TMG “delete” and “move” the files, are you talking about just editing the path to the files in the Preferences? Robin > On Feb 2, 2019, at 12:04 PM, Michael J. Hannah <mjh@rr-nm.net> wrote: > > Robin, > > Create a new temporary Windows folder. Now in Step 2 of the Restore, select that folder in "Restore project to this folder". Once done you can open and check that the project is complete. > > If desired, you can now use TMG to "rename" the project. Or you can use TMG to "delete" the bad project in your original folder, and use TMG to "move" the restored project from the temporary folder into your original folder. > > It would also be appropriate to review Terry's Tips about using restore and what to check concerning the Preferences after a restore: > https://tmg.reigelridge.com/new-computer-version.htm#restore > > Hope this gives you ideas, > > Michael

Michael, Thank you for the tip. I clearly don't understand the correct way to do this. I have a Marriage tag followed by a Name-Marr tag. I'd originally used a single date for the Date and Sort Date for both events. The resulting sentences were not in the correct order in the report. Incrementing the Sort Date for the Name-Marr tag by one day produced a correct report output. Trying to follow your information by using a single date but appending a "?" to the Sort Date of the Name-Marr tag produced two outputs of the Name-Marr sentence in the report. What am I doing wrong? Brian -----Original Message----- From: Michael J. Hannah <mjh@rr-nm.net> Sent: Sunday, February 3, 2019 10:38 AM To: tmg@rootsweb.com Cc: brian.gross@pacbell.net Subject: [TMG] Re: Order of events in Journal Report Brian Gross replied to Richard Damon's suggestion: > I'll correct the Sort Dates and eliminate the problem. > Richard: Thank you for the tip re. Sort Date ranges. In the Index of my on-line book under "Dates" there is an index entry "Multiple events on the same date". Clicking on that jumps to a detailed list of various forms of Sort Dates one can enter to order such multiple dates where all such entries have the same base date. https://www.mjh-nm.net/DATENTRY.HTML#DateRange For example, there are three separate ways to enter date ranges. So: 21 Jul 2006 - 22 Jul 2006 comes before 21 Jul 2006 or 22 Jul 2006 which comes before 21 Jul 2006 to 22 Jul 2006 And if one only has two events on the same date (e.g. Death and Burial), simply appending a question mark will cause such a Sort Date to be after the base date: 21 Jul 2006 comes before 21 Jul 2006? Like Richard I prefer to have multiple tags with the same Date have their Sort Dates all with the event's base date. Hope this gives ideas, Michael