Terry, Many thanks for your useful ideas on this. I've added a few comments below in all caps (just to distinguish my comments, not because I'm shouting - normally I would use an innocuous color like green, but I understand that Rootsweb discards all colors). On 08/02/19 18:05, Terry Reigel wrote: > On 2/8/2019 10:43 AM, Rowan Sylvester-Bradley wrote: >> I would welcome some advice on the best way to use Citations, Sources >> and Repositories. > > Rowan, > > As has been said by experts, creating citations is as much an art as a > science, so you will no doubt get a number of responses, some of them > contradictory with others. The following are my ideas. > >> For example, let's say I have just found the following page: >> >> What do I put where in my citations, sources and repositories? >> >> This web page could be a citation for: >>  - Eleanor Gibbes >>  - Alexander Gibbes >>  - Sarah Gibbes (we don't know her maiden name) > The page has what information about them? I TRIED TO ATTACH THE PAGE > BUT THIS OBVIOUSLY DIDN'T WORK, SORRY. THE PAGE IS AT > http://sylvesterbradley.org/images/eleanor_gibbes_birth.jpg (UNLESS > ROOTSWEB DELETES ALL LINKS TOO) Their names? YES if so you enter the > citation to their Name Tags. Their relationships to a parent or child? > YES If so you enter the citation on the Relationship Tags. Or > something else? >>  - Eleanor's birth > Her birth Tag. >>  - Alexander's residence on 6-Jul-1785 >>  - Sarah's residence on 6-Jul-1785 > Create a Living or Residence Tag and cite it there. >> Where do I put: >>  - the URL of this page > What kind of a page is this? IT'S A PAGE FROM FAMILYSEARCH, PRESUMABLY > THE RESULT OF A DATABASE SEARCH. Someone's personal website? A > database like those found on Ancestry or FamilySearch? A transcript or > image of a prior published work? Someone's tree on a website? For most > of them I don't include a URL because in my experience they tend to > change often. YES, I UNDERSTAND THIS POINT, BUT IT SEEMS TO ME THAT IT > MAY BE USEFUL TO GIVE THE ORIGINAL URL, AND TO HAVE A COPY (EITHER AN > IMAGE, OR A COPY OF THE WEB PAGE) IN ONE'S OWN COMPUTER IN CASE THE > ORIGINAL DISAPPEARS. If it's a private cite I create a Source for it > using a variation of the Electronic Database Tag Type and put the URL > there. If it's a database on Ancestry or the like I create a Source > for the database that includes what is listed as the provenance of the > database, and Ancestry's main URL, not one specific to the database or > record because those often seem to change. >>  - that the original source was England and Wales Non-Conformist >> Record Indexes (RG4-8), 1588-1977 > It depends on how you create the Source you use for the Citation. If > the Source describes only this page and that original source applies > to everything there, put that in the Comments section for the source. > If it applies only to part of the information for which this Source is > cited put it in the CD of the Citation. I DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT > TO PUT IN THE DETAIL SECTION, AND WHAT IN THE MEMO SECTION. >>  - a transcript of all the information on this page >>  - an image of this page > Again, depends on what kind of page. If it's a database on Ancestry, > FamilySearch, etc. I record none of that except in the CD of the > Citation SORRY, PLEASE EXPLAIN WHAT IS THE 'CD' OF A CITATION?, and > only then if what the source differs in any way from what I record. > That is, does my Tag have more information than what's on the page, or > different information. If the page contains images of original sources > I save the image on my computer, not in TMG  - MY END OBJECTIVE IS TO > CREATE A WEBSITE USING SECOND-SITE THAT ALL MY FAMILY (AND ANYONE ELSE > WHO IS INTERESTED) CAN LOOK AT. FOR THIS TO DO ITS JOB PROPERLY, IT > SEEMS TO ME THAT I NEED TO CREATE ALL THESE IMAGES, COPIES OF WEB > PAGES ETC AS EXTERNAL EXHIBITS SO SECOND-SITE WILL INCLUDE THEM. > BASICALLY I'D L:IKE THE SS WEBSITE TO CONTAIN _ALL_ MY INFORMATION. If > it's text, like an obituary, I save either a copy of the page, an > image of it, or copy the text to a file on mly computer. Not in TMG. DITTO >> >> If I create separate citations for each event, and put all this >> information into the citations, then I will have to enter it all 6 >> times, which seems very inefficient. > Yes, but accurate. SURELY DUPLICATED INFORMATION SHOULD NOT BE > NECESSARY FOR ACCURACY? Assuming you don't normally settle for a > single source for the information you record for a person, you need > citations for each Tag to know which sources confirm others, conflict > with others, and which information come from each so you can evaluate > the information as you find additional sources. >> If I create a separate source for this web page, and refer to it in >> each of the 6 citations, then I avoid the previous problem, but now I >> have to have a separate source for every single FamilySearch page >> that I use. > > Again, what do you mean by "a page"? Are you talking images of source > documents, database entries, or trees? IN THIS CASE, A DATABASE ENTRY > I SUPPOSE. If it's an image of a document cite the document, noting > you found an image of it on FamilySearch. If it's a database, first > see if you can find the document it came from. If the image is > associated cite the document in the image, not the database. Many > (most? ) films in the FHL are now on FamilySearch and you can view > them even if they are not linked to the database (may take a bit of > searching). If you find them, cite them and not the database. > > If I'm stuck citing a database I create a Source for each database, > and record in the CD "record for Eleanor Gibbes" or the like and any > reference or citation details that are offered. > > In any case I never find the concept of a "page" on FamilySearch > something to cite. > > Terry Reigel > > MANY THANKS _ ROWAN > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/tmg@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY  Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal > RootsWeb community -- -- Rowan Sylvester-Bradley 22 Fox Green Great Bradley Newmarket Suffolk CB8 9NR United Kingdom Phone: 01440 783157 Email: rowan@sylvesterbradley.org

On 2/8/2019 1:20 PM, Rowan Sylvester-Bradley wrote: > I'm having trouble creating a Pedigree Chart in TMG. Here's what I > have requested that it do: > > When I click Create Report one of several things happen. > > 1. I get an error saying that it can;t find the printer (despite the >    fact that I am not asking it to print anything). Rowan, My understanding is that the TMG reports go to the default printer (as defined in Windows) to get the specifications for the size of the page. The solution is to specify a default printer in Windows. I think the PDF "printer" will do if you aren't connected to a real printer. Terry Reigel

I'm having trouble creating a Pedigree Chart in TMG. Here's what I have requested that it do: When I click Create Report one of several things happen. 1. I get an error saying that it can;t find the printer (despite the fact that I am not asking it to print anything). 2. It hangs for a long long time with the mouse cursor going round and round. I usually have to terminate TMG and restart it. 3. It creates a file called Rowan Sylvester-Bradley Pedigree Chart.PDF of zero length in the Report_output directory. 4. It says that the file already exists and is busy. Eventually I found that by closing all my Explorer windows the file was unlocked. How do I get this to work? Thanks - Rowan

On 2/8/2019 10:43 AM, Rowan Sylvester-Bradley wrote: > I would welcome some advice on the best way to use Citations, Sources > and Repositories. Rowan, As has been said by experts, creating citations is as much an art as a science, so you will no doubt get a number of responses, some of them contradictory with others. The following are my ideas. > For example, let's say I have just found the following page: > > What do I put where in my citations, sources and repositories? > > This web page could be a citation for: >  - Eleanor Gibbes >  - Alexander Gibbes >  - Sarah Gibbes (we don't know her maiden name) The page has what information about them? Their names? if so you enter the citation to their Name Tags. Their relationships to a parent or child? If so you enter the citation on the Relationship Tags. Or something else? >  - Eleanor's birth Her birth Tag. >  - Alexander's residence on 6-Jul-1785 >  - Sarah's residence on 6-Jul-1785 Create a Living or Residence Tag and cite it there. > Where do I put: >  - the URL of this page What kind of a page is this? Someone's personal website? A database like those found on Ancestry or FamilySearch? A transcript or image of a prior published work? Someone's tree on a website? For most of them I don't include a URL because in my experience they tend to change often. If it's a private cite I create a Source for it using a variation of the Electronic Database Tag Type and put the URL there. If it's a database on Ancestry or the like I create a Source for the database that includes what is listed as the provenance of the database, and Ancestry's main URL, not one specific to the database or record because those often seem to change. >  - that the original source was England and Wales Non-Conformist > Record Indexes (RG4-8), 1588-1977 It depends on how you create the Source you use for the Citation. If the Source describes only this page and that original source applies to everything there, put that in the Comments section for the source. If it applies only to part of the information for which this Source is cited put it in the CD of the Citation. >  - a transcript of all the information on this page >  - an image of this page Again, depends on what kind of page. If it's a database on Ancestry, FamilySearch, etc. I record none of that except in the CD of the Citation, and only then if what the source differs in any way from what I record. That is, does my Tag have more information than what's on the page, or different information. If the page contains images of original sources I save the image on my computer, not in TMG. If it's text, like an obituary, I save either a copy of the page, an image of it, or copy the text to a file on mly computer. Not in TMG. > > If I create separate citations for each event, and put all this > information into the citations, then I will have to enter it all 6 > times, which seems very inefficient. Yes, but accurate. Assuming you don't normally settle for a single source for the information you record for a person, you need citations for each Tag to know which sources confirm others, conflict with others, and which information come from each so you can evaluate the information as you find additional sources. > If I create a separate source for this web page, and refer to it in > each of the 6 citations, then I avoid the previous problem, but now I > have to have a separate source for every single FamilySearch page that > I use. Again, what do you mean by "a page"? Are you talking images of source documents, database entries, or trees? If it's an image of a document cite the document, noting you found an image of it on FamilySearch. If it's a database, first see if you can find the document it came from. If the image is associated cite the document in the image, not the database. Many (most? ) films in the FHL are now on FamilySearch and you can view them even if they are not linked to the database (may take a bit of searching). If you find them, cite them and not the database. If I'm stuck citing a database I create a Source for each database, and record in the CD "record for Eleanor Gibbes" or the like and any reference or citation details that are offered. In any case I never find the concept of a "page" on FamilySearch something to cite. Terry Reigel

At 2/8/2019 11:03 AM, <jkennethwood@bell.net> wrote: >Is it acceptable to post an example as a MW Word attachment? > I believe attachments are either stripped from posts, or the entire post is rejected.

The meeting of the Seattle TMG Users Group scheduled for Feb. 9 is cancelled due to a "Winter Storm Warning" issued for Puget Sound, effective today through late Saturday. Our next meeting will be March 9.

Attachments will not post as Rootsweb strip attachments from emails to avoid/invalidate spyware. On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 11:04 AM <jkennethwood@bell.net> wrote: > Is it acceptable to post an example as a MW Word attachment? > > > > Ken Wood > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/tmg@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

Is it acceptable to post an example as a MW Word attachment? Ken Wood

Hi, I would welcome some advice on the best way to use Citations, Sources and Repositories. For example, let's say I have just found the following page: What do I put where in my citations, sources and repositories? This web page could be a citation for:  - Eleanor Gibbes  - Alexander Gibbes  - Sarah Gibbes (we don't know her maiden name)  - Eleanor's birth  - Alexander's residence on 6-Jul-1785  - Sarah's residence on 6-Jul-1785 Where do I put:  - the URL of this page  - that the original source was England and Wales Non-Conformist Record Indexes (RG4-8), 1588-1977  - a transcript of all the information on this page  - an image of this page If I create separate citations for each event, and put all this information into the citations, then I will have to enter it all 6 times, which seems very inefficient. If I create a separate source for this web page, and refer to it in each of the 6 citations, then I avoid the previous problem, but now I have to have a separate source for every single FamilySearch page that I use. And what do I put in the Respository? Thanks for your advice - Rowan

No highlighting comes through on your post as postings are in plain text. Please quote the exact sentence. On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 9:56 AM <jkennethwood@bell.net> wrote: > In one of my reports a sentence appears which I would like to remove, if > only I could find it. Here is an excerpt from the report, with the > offending > sentence highlighted. Can anyone suggest a way to locate it? > > > > Ken Wood > > > > > > 1. Louis1 Messier dit Duchene (12059)1,2 was born circa 1779 in St > Francois > Xavier, Vercheres, Quebec.3 He married Marie Josephe Valen (12060), > daughter of Jean Baptiste Valen (12069) and Marie Chaunier (12070), on 14 > Jan 1805.4,1 > > He was a labourer on 21 Jan 1834 in St Hyacinthe, St Hyacinthe. > > Children of Louis1 Messier dit Duchene (12059) and Marie Josephe Valen > (12060) were as follows: > > i. Louis2 (12063)2,2,2 was baptized on 12 > Oct > 1808 in St Hyacinthe, St Hyacinthe, Quebec.2 He married Therese Jared dit > Beauregard (--?--) (12066) on 2 Jun 1835 in St Rodalie, Quebec.2 > > 2. ii. Joseph (11936) was born on 9 Oct 1809 in St > Hyacinthe, St Hyacinthe, Quebec. He married Julie Bousquet (11937), > daughter of Antoine Bousquet (12174) and Cecile Goguet (12175), on 21 Jan > 1834 in Notre Dame du Rosaire, St Hyacinthe, St Hyacinthe, Quebec. In the > marriage register his name is given as Joseph Messier dit Duchene. He died > on 25 Nov 1877 in St Hyacinthe, Quebec, at age 68. > > iii. Charlotte (12064)2,2,2 was baptized on 6 > May 1811 in St Hyacinthe, St Hyacinthe, Quebec.2 > > iv. Jean Baptiste (12065)2,2,2 was baptized on > 29 Nov 1813 in St Hyacinthe, St Hyacinthe, Quebec.2 He died on 13 Jul 1814 > in St Hyacinthe.2 > > > > Generation Two > > > > > > 2. Joseph2 Chenette (11936) (Louis1 Messier dit Duchene); This is first > of > his children's baptisms where he uses this name5,6,7,1,1 was born on 9 Oct > 1809 in St Hyacinthe, St Hyacinthe, Quebec8 and was baptized on the same > day.9 He married Julie Bousquet (11937), daughter of Antoine Bousquet > (12174) and Cecile Goguet (12175), on 21 Jan 1834 in Notre Dame du Rosaire, > St Hyacinthe, St Hyacinthe, Quebec. In the marriage register his name is > given as Joseph Messier dit Duchene.10,1 He died on 25 Nov 1877 in St > Hyacinthe, Quebec, at age 68.6 > > His baptismal name was Joseph Messier (11936).9 As of 21 Jan 1834, he > was also known as Joseph Messier dit Chenette (11936).1 He and Julie > Bousquet (11937) appeared on the 1851 Canadian Census of St Hyacinthe, > Yamaska, in Canada East, enumerated 12 Jan 1852. Their children Joseph > (11972), Rosalie (12067), Jean (11768), Celine (11975), Antoine (11974), > Celanire (11980) and Adelle (11977) were listed as living with them.11 He > and Julie Bousquet (11937) appeared on the 1871 Canadian Census of St > Hyacinthe, St Hyacinthe, in Quebec, at district 121, enumerated 2 Apr > 1871.12 > > Children of Joseph2 Chenette (11936) and Julie Bousquet (11937) were > as > follows: > > i. Joseph3 (11972)11,13,11 was born on 7 Nov > 1834 in St Hyacinthe, St Hyacinthe11 and was baptized on 7 Nov 1834 in > Notre Dame du Rosaire, St Hyacinthe. > > He appeared on the 1851 Canadian Census of St Hyacinthe, Yamaska, in > Canada East in the household of his parents, Joseph Chenette (11936) and > Julie Bousquet (11937).11 > > ii. Rosalie (12067)14 was baptized on 14 May > 1836 in St Hyacinthe, St Hyacinthe, Lower Canada. Her baptismal name was > Rosalie Messier dit Duchene.14 She married Joseph Doray (12068) on 27 Nov > 1855 in The Cathedral, St Hyacinthe, St Hyacinthe, Lower Canada.15 > > She appeared on the 1851 Canadian Census of St Hyacinthe, Yamaska, in > Canada East in the household of her parents, Joseph Chenette (11936) and > Julie Bousquet (11937 > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/tmg@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

In one of my reports a sentence appears which I would like to remove, if only I could find it. Here is an excerpt from the report, with the offending sentence highlighted. Can anyone suggest a way to locate it? Ken Wood 1. Louis1 Messier dit Duchene (12059)1,2 was born circa 1779 in St Francois Xavier, Vercheres, Quebec.3 He married Marie Josephe Valen (12060), daughter of Jean Baptiste Valen (12069) and Marie Chaunier (12070), on 14 Jan 1805.4,1 He was a labourer on 21 Jan 1834 in St Hyacinthe, St Hyacinthe. Children of Louis1 Messier dit Duchene (12059) and Marie Josephe Valen (12060) were as follows: i. Louis2 (12063)2,2,2 was baptized on 12 Oct 1808 in St Hyacinthe, St Hyacinthe, Quebec.2 He married Therese Jared dit Beauregard (--?--) (12066) on 2 Jun 1835 in St Rodalie, Quebec.2 2. ii. Joseph (11936) was born on 9 Oct 1809 in St Hyacinthe, St Hyacinthe, Quebec. He married Julie Bousquet (11937), daughter of Antoine Bousquet (12174) and Cecile Goguet (12175), on 21 Jan 1834 in Notre Dame du Rosaire, St Hyacinthe, St Hyacinthe, Quebec. In the marriage register his name is given as Joseph Messier dit Duchene. He died on 25 Nov 1877 in St Hyacinthe, Quebec, at age 68. iii. Charlotte (12064)2,2,2 was baptized on 6 May 1811 in St Hyacinthe, St Hyacinthe, Quebec.2 iv. Jean Baptiste (12065)2,2,2 was baptized on 29 Nov 1813 in St Hyacinthe, St Hyacinthe, Quebec.2 He died on 13 Jul 1814 in St Hyacinthe.2 Generation Two 2. Joseph2 Chenette (11936) (Louis1 Messier dit Duchene); This is first of his children's baptisms where he uses this name5,6,7,1,1 was born on 9 Oct 1809 in St Hyacinthe, St Hyacinthe, Quebec8 and was baptized on the same day.9 He married Julie Bousquet (11937), daughter of Antoine Bousquet (12174) and Cecile Goguet (12175), on 21 Jan 1834 in Notre Dame du Rosaire, St Hyacinthe, St Hyacinthe, Quebec. In the marriage register his name is given as Joseph Messier dit Duchene.10,1 He died on 25 Nov 1877 in St Hyacinthe, Quebec, at age 68.6 His baptismal name was Joseph Messier (11936).9 As of 21 Jan 1834, he was also known as Joseph Messier dit Chenette (11936).1 He and Julie Bousquet (11937) appeared on the 1851 Canadian Census of St Hyacinthe, Yamaska, in Canada East, enumerated 12 Jan 1852. Their children Joseph (11972), Rosalie (12067), Jean (11768), Celine (11975), Antoine (11974), Celanire (11980) and Adelle (11977) were listed as living with them.11 He and Julie Bousquet (11937) appeared on the 1871 Canadian Census of St Hyacinthe, St Hyacinthe, in Quebec, at district 121, enumerated 2 Apr 1871.12 Children of Joseph2 Chenette (11936) and Julie Bousquet (11937) were as follows: i. Joseph3 (11972)11,13,11 was born on 7 Nov 1834 in St Hyacinthe, St Hyacinthe11 and was baptized on 7 Nov 1834 in Notre Dame du Rosaire, St Hyacinthe. He appeared on the 1851 Canadian Census of St Hyacinthe, Yamaska, in Canada East in the household of his parents, Joseph Chenette (11936) and Julie Bousquet (11937).11 ii. Rosalie (12067)14 was baptized on 14 May 1836 in St Hyacinthe, St Hyacinthe, Lower Canada. Her baptismal name was Rosalie Messier dit Duchene.14 She married Joseph Doray (12068) on 27 Nov 1855 in The Cathedral, St Hyacinthe, St Hyacinthe, Lower Canada.15 She appeared on the 1851 Canadian Census of St Hyacinthe, Yamaska, in Canada East in the household of her parents, Joseph Chenette (11936) and Julie Bousquet (11937

Thanks Michael, disappointing but understandable. Robin > On Feb 7, 2019, at 1:18 PM, Michael J. Hannah <mjh@rr-nm.net> wrote: > > Robin Kaspar asked: >> Is there a report that can be run that shows >> the input history for a date range? > > Unfortunately not really, Robin. The only feature in TMG which shows some form of indication of change based on date is the "Last edited" field. Unfortunately, that field is only at the person level, and is updated upon ANY edit action for that person. Further there can be false positives because if you open a tag for edit and click "OK" instead of "Cancel" the date is updated even if you made no changes. > >> I am hoping to be able to generate something after every input session >> so that in case of data loss, I can restore from backup and see what >> I might need to re-key. > > I suggest instead, that you simply save a backup after every input session. As long as you do not lose those backups you should not have a problem. > > You did not ask, but the only way I know of to identify "what" has been changed between two TMG backups involves the "differences" feature of Word. Restore one backup and run a Journal report to Word whose Options includes absolutely everything. Now restore the other backup and run the exact same Word report. Then use the Word "differences" feature to highlight and show the differences between the two reports. > > Sorry there isn't a better answer, but the underlying Foxpro database system which TMG uses does not record changes. > > Michael

Thanks. I think I have solved this.....and I did overlook something!!. I tried to follow what Michael wrote about the 2nd List of People report with a filter Possibles=Y AND AAS=N. I did actually run a 2nd List of People report ,but overlooked that the AAS flag in the 2nd filter had an N and not a an Y!. Since I used an Y ,the result became 121944 people after the 2nd report instead of 339 after setting AAS = N and not Y!!. I had tried out two different filters: Possibles=Y AND AAS are not J which produced 772 people (including 1 generation with ancestors) When not checking anything on the filter (ancestors ,spouses or descendants) using the same filter "Possibles=Y AND AAS are not J" I got down to 339 (The same result as Possibles=Y AND AAS=N would give). I have saved both these reports.....guess the one with 339 people would be the one I have to go through ,but what about the one with 772? Not sure about the difference between them ,but it seems like the one with 772 has more parents ,and some of those parents also have the AAS flag with value of Y ,so guess the 339 people report would be the right one........?? Somehow the 772 people report seems to give the parents with AAS=N/Y having children with AAS=Y/N plus one generation etc -----Opprinnelig melding----- Fra: Richard Damon [mailto:Richard@Damon-Family.org] Sendt: 8. februar 2019 04:11 Til: tmg@rootsweb.com Emne: [TMG] Re: [SPAM?] flag and filter... On 2/7/19 9:30 AM, Erik Hov wrote: > Hello. > I have prepared about 121000 which I am going to delete from my > project after splitting. Just have to be sure I have found the right > people to delete before really doing it. > I have flagged the people to be deleted with a flag called "AAS" with > values Y (Yes) and N (No). > Y for those I am going to delete (accented with a blue color) ,and N > for the others with the usual green-like color (which I will keep). > I am now working on finding out if I have forgotten people who should > get the N instead of Y since I may have missed some who still have the Y. > I was able to find some spouses and set them to N to keep ,but have > some trouble with finding parents..... > Therefore ,I wonder what`s the filter for finding "AAS" flags with Y > that has parents marked with "AAS" and N??? Hopefully that would be a > filter that let me find people with the AAS Y flag who should be kept > because their parents have AAS and N. > Guess some filter could be done on List of people.....(I have a "Possibles" > flag as well ,but not sure if that can be used on the List of people > to > something....) > (Have worked a bit with trying out different filters ,but not > seemingly getting the right one....) Erik > The way I handle something like this is with a secondary (possibly temporary) flag. Set the flag to one value for everyone (or create it and it will start defaulted to the first value). Then run a list of people report for AAS = N and have it add descendants (and maybe spouses), and have this set the flag to the second value. Then run a filter to reset the flag for those people with AAS = N (but not their descendants), and the people left with the flag set are those with AAS = Y, but are the descendant of someone with it set to N. -- Richard Damon _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/tmg@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

On 2/7/19 9:30 AM, Erik Hov wrote: > Hello. > I have prepared about 121000 which I am going to delete from my project > after splitting. Just have to be sure I have found the right people to > delete before really doing it. > I have flagged the people to be deleted with a flag called "AAS" with values > Y (Yes) and N (No). > Y for those I am going to delete (accented with a blue color) ,and N for the > others with the usual green-like color (which I will keep). > I am now working on finding out if I have forgotten people who should get > the N instead of Y since I may have missed some who still have the Y. > I was able to find some spouses and set them to N to keep ,but have some > trouble with finding parents..... > Therefore ,I wonder what`s the filter for finding "AAS" flags with Y that > has parents marked with "AAS" and N??? Hopefully that would be a filter that > let me find people with the AAS Y flag who should be kept because their > parents have AAS and N. > Guess some filter could be done on List of people.....(I have a "Possibles" > flag as well ,but not sure if that can be used on the List of people to > something....) > (Have worked a bit with trying out different filters ,but not seemingly > getting the right one....) > Erik > The way I handle something like this is with a secondary (possibly temporary) flag. Set the flag to one value for everyone (or create it and it will start defaulted to the first value). Then run a list of people report for AAS = N and have it add descendants (and maybe spouses), and have this set the flag to the second value. Then run a filter to reset the flag for those people with AAS = N (but not their descendants), and the people left with the flag set are those with AAS = Y, but are the descendant of someone with it set to N. -- Richard Damon

That happened to me today as well! Thanks for the suggestion.Carp; -----Original Message----- From: sally v Houston <svhous@gmail.com> To: The Master Genealogist Rootsweb Email List <tmg@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thu, Feb 7, 2019 6:35 pm Subject: [TMG] Re: TMG v9 Thank you. I, also, had been getting that. It actually froze TMG a couple days ago. Since there will never again be any updates or messages, it's good to have it turned off, and I'd never thought of looking for that option. On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 3:04 PM Carol Hornung <chornung@comcast.net> wrote: > Roger - I've been getting that also, and turned it off in Options > Program > Options > Startup and Exit > change Check website for update and Check for > messages both to zero. That seems to have done the trick. Hope this helps! > ~Carol > > -----Original Message----- > From: Roger <rogerj@xtra.co.nz> > Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2019 5:52 PM > To: 'TMG Mailing List' <TMG@rootsweb.com> > Subject: [TMG] TMG v9 > > Gets stuck on "retrieving messages". > Roger > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/tmg@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/tmg@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Yes, that fixed it; thankyou! Roger

Thank you. I, also, had been getting that. It actually froze TMG a couple days ago. Since there will never again be any updates or messages, it's good to have it turned off, and I'd never thought of looking for that option. On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 3:04 PM Carol Hornung <chornung@comcast.net> wrote: > Roger - I've been getting that also, and turned it off in Options > Program > Options > Startup and Exit > change Check website for update and Check for > messages both to zero. That seems to have done the trick. Hope this helps! > ~Carol > > -----Original Message----- > From: Roger <rogerj@xtra.co.nz> > Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2019 5:52 PM > To: 'TMG Mailing List' <TMG@rootsweb.com> > Subject: [TMG] TMG v9 > > Gets stuck on "retrieving messages". > Roger > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/tmg@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

Roger - I've been getting that also, and turned it off in Options > Program Options > Startup and Exit > change Check website for update and Check for messages both to zero. That seems to have done the trick. Hope this helps! ~Carol -----Original Message----- From: Roger <rogerj@xtra.co.nz> Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2019 5:52 PM To: 'TMG Mailing List' <TMG@rootsweb.com> Subject: [TMG] TMG v9 Gets stuck on "retrieving messages". Roger

Gets stuck on "retrieving messages". Roger

Thanks for answering!. I did create the Possibles flag. Went to the List of People and filtered for AAS=Y and checked the ancestor box with one generation. Then going to Secondary output setting the Possibles flag to Y for those people which changed the Possibles flag to Y for 121944 people. So all in all ,the first run of List of People went very well. Some trouble when coming to the second time I shall run the List of People report. With filtering for Possibles=Y AND AAS=N ,I still get 121944 people......is the filter correct? The project explorer tells me it`s 121605 AAS Y with primary names and 121909 with both primary and non primary AAS Y names. -----Opprinnelig melding----- Fra: Michael J. Hannah [mailto:mjh@rr-nm.net] Sendt: 7. februar 2019 19:02 Til: The Master Genealogist Rootsweb Email List <tmg@rootsweb.com> Kopi: gj_erov7@bbnett.no Emne: [TMG] Re: flag and filter... Erik Hov asked for: > a filter that let me find people with the AAS Y flag who should be > kept because their parents have AAS and N... > I have a "Possibles" flag as well... As Lee noted, you cannot do this with just one Flag. That is why I earlier described using a second Flag, like your "Possibles" Flag, to help with your efforts. It is also needed in this situation. The "trick" is one I mentioned to you last year: the bottom of the Filter screen lets you add Ancestors to the filter qualifying people. Based on your comments the people with AAS=Y is smaller than those with N. So, run a List of People report filtered for AAS = Y. BUT at the bottom of the Filter definition check (only) the Ancestors box and set it to one generation (which are these qualifying people's parents). On the Secondary Output tab of the Report Options, cause the report to set the Possibles Flag to 'Y' for these people. Thus all the AAS=Y people PLUS their parents now will have Possibles=Y. If the parents already have AAS=Y they will not add to the count. The count of people will only increase by parents who have AAS-N. Now run a second List of People report filtered for Possibles=Y AND AAS=N. This will result in a much shorter list, and will be a list just of those parents who have AAS=N but who have a child with AAS=Y. While that is a list of the parents not of the children, it should be a small enough list. Just review all these parents, and see if you wish to change any of their chilren whose AAS Flag value is Y to instead be N. Could you get a list of just the children? Yes, but that would involve using a third Flag, and another LOP filter which added descendants to one generation, etc. But this list of parents should be small enough to not need doing that, especially if a single set of AAS=N parents have multiple children with AAS=Y. Michael _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/tmg@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community