Glad you are upgrading now. The failure of many folks to update to versions 8 and 9 was a part of the reason behind the demise of Wholly Genes, along with Bob’s health and the fact that the underlying database FoxPro was not going to be supported by Microsoft after that year... Sent from my iPad > On Feb 10, 2019, at 7:15 AM, Sharon Guzik <sguzik@comcast.net> wrote: > > Thank you for the good advice that I can still update to version 9. I had just waited too long to update before Wholly Genes closed. Like all of you, I was holding out as long as I could. As noted, I've been frustrated with v7 and hopefully it will work out better if I can update to v9. > > Sharon > > >> On 2/9/2019 5:25 PM, Michael J. Hannah wrote: >> Sharon wrote: >>> I have version 7 ... >> >> Hi Sharon, >> >> I will join others who have encouraged you to get Version 9 while you still can. One of the main reasons is exactly your issue. >> >> There is a link to Harry's email on the WhollyGenes forum post which identifies the final installers for Version 9 of TMG: >> http://www.whollygenes.com/forums201/index.php?/topic/15915-tmg9-final-installers-v905/ >> >> It may take him a while to reply, but be patient. Although he is in Europe you can complete the transaction on-line and then download the installer mentioned above. >> >> Version 8 included a complete rewrite of the report generator. The earlier versions of TMG were built on 16-bit code libraries which would not work in the newer versions of Windows. One of the enhancements it included was to append the endnotes with reports and not gather them in a separate report. >> >>> 1) Is there a way to get the endnotes to print with the FGS? >> >> I haven't used Version 7 in some time, but I opened my copy and tried it. If the FGS is sent to a file, like RTF which I also recommend, endnotes are automatically placed at the end. If the report is sent to the printer, then it creates a separate file/report for the endnotes which must be dealt with separately. >> >>> 2) is there a way to have a title that indicates which FGS... >> >> Look in V7 TMG HELP in the topic "Report Options: General Tab". You will see a list of variables which you can include in the Report title which is defined on that tab. [F] is the focus person which would probably be appropriate in the title of an FGS report. That helps with the title of the report itself, but the Endnotes still has a title of only the one word Endnotes. >> >>> 3) If I were to accumulate endnotes, do they come out as separate >>> reports that begin at 1 again? (If that makes sense.) >> >> I believe so, and as separate pages. >> >> Again, if possible, get a copy of Version 9 while you still can. In addition to the new report writer there are many enhancements and bug fixes which most of us find valuable. >> >> Michael >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/tmg@rootsweb.com >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community >> > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/tmg@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Thank you for the good advice that I can still update to version 9.  I had just waited too long to update before Wholly Genes closed. Like all of you, I was holding out as long as I could. As noted, I've been frustrated with v7 and hopefully it will work out better if I can update to v9. Sharon On 2/9/2019 5:25 PM, Michael J. Hannah wrote: > Sharon wrote: >> I have version 7 ... > > Hi Sharon, > > I will join others who have encouraged you to get Version 9 while you > still can.  One of the main reasons is exactly your issue. > > There is a link to Harry's email on the WhollyGenes forum post which > identifies the final installers for Version 9 of TMG: > http://www.whollygenes.com/forums201/index.php?/topic/15915-tmg9-final-installers-v905/ > > > It may take him a while to reply, but be patient.  Although he is in > Europe you can complete the transaction on-line and then download the > installer mentioned above. > > Version 8 included a complete rewrite of the report generator. The > earlier versions of TMG were built on 16-bit code libraries which > would not work in the newer versions of Windows.  One of the > enhancements it included was to append the endnotes with reports and > not gather them in a separate report. > >> 1) Is there a way to get the endnotes to print with the FGS? > > I haven't used Version 7 in some time, but I opened my copy and tried > it.  If the FGS is sent to a file, like RTF which I also recommend, > endnotes are automatically placed at the end.  If the report is sent > to the printer, then it creates a separate file/report for the > endnotes which must be dealt with separately. > >> 2) is there a way to have a title that indicates which FGS... > > Look in V7 TMG HELP in the topic "Report Options: General Tab". You > will see a list of variables which you can include in the Report title > which is defined on that tab.  [F] is the focus person which would > probably be appropriate in the title of an FGS report.  That helps > with the title of the report itself, but the Endnotes still has a > title of only the one word Endnotes. > >> 3)  If I were to accumulate endnotes, do they come out as separate >> reports that begin at 1 again?  (If that makes sense.) > > I believe so, and as separate pages. > > Again, if possible, get a copy of Version 9 while you still can. In > addition to the new report writer there are many enhancements and bug > fixes which most of us find valuable. > > Michael > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/tmg@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY  Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal > RootsWeb community >

Sharon wrote: > I have version 7 ... Hi Sharon, I will join others who have encouraged you to get Version 9 while you still can. One of the main reasons is exactly your issue. There is a link to Harry's email on the WhollyGenes forum post which identifies the final installers for Version 9 of TMG: http://www.whollygenes.com/forums201/index.php?/topic/15915-tmg9-final-installers-v905/ It may take him a while to reply, but be patient. Although he is in Europe you can complete the transaction on-line and then download the installer mentioned above. Version 8 included a complete rewrite of the report generator. The earlier versions of TMG were built on 16-bit code libraries which would not work in the newer versions of Windows. One of the enhancements it included was to append the endnotes with reports and not gather them in a separate report. > 1) Is there a way to get the endnotes to print with the FGS? I haven't used Version 7 in some time, but I opened my copy and tried it. If the FGS is sent to a file, like RTF which I also recommend, endnotes are automatically placed at the end. If the report is sent to the printer, then it creates a separate file/report for the endnotes which must be dealt with separately. > 2) is there a way to have a title that indicates which FGS... Look in V7 TMG HELP in the topic "Report Options: General Tab". You will see a list of variables which you can include in the Report title which is defined on that tab. [F] is the focus person which would probably be appropriate in the title of an FGS report. That helps with the title of the report itself, but the Endnotes still has a title of only the one word Endnotes. > 3) If I were to accumulate endnotes, do they come out as separate > reports that begin at 1 again? (If that makes sense.) I believe so, and as separate pages. Again, if possible, get a copy of Version 9 while you still can. In addition to the new report writer there are many enhancements and bug fixes which most of us find valuable. Michael

At 2/9/2019 5:30 PM, sguzik@comcast.net wrote: >I am only now discovering how to use many of the features of TMG -something >I wish I had learned a decade ago. I have version 7 not realizing I should >have updated before the business ended. Although this seems a basic question, >I am frustrated in finding an answer. > >I've been printing out Family Group Sheet reports to PDF (since none of >the file options besides TXT will work for me and that loses any formatting). > The only option that works that for me to print the accompanying citations >is to run a second Endnotes report after every FGS report. This sounds like you are selecting one individual, generating the FGS, then selecting another individual and generating that FGS. If so, it may be better to create either a filter or focus group to select all the individuals for which you want FGSs. That way, the end-notes should be consolidated for the entire batch, and thereby numbered sequentially. {I just tried <control-click> picking three individuals from the project explorer, FGS options for ENDNOTES. Generation to screen produced three pages of FGS with two pages of endnotes; no need for a second end note report. The TMG PDF driver never worked for me, but setting output to Printer and picking the M$ Print to PDF [Win10 optional feature] produced the same 5 page PDF file} >1) Is there a way to get the endnotes to print with the FGS? They do for me... AH! TMG v9 -- no separate Endnote report is available. So the above may not apply to TMG v7.

<Putting people into a new project does not remove them from the original project, so "getting them in a new project and then delete that project" is a lot of disk activity for no gain.< Yes ,Lee just told me this. I haven`t done much of deleting many people at a time before ,so I have done it the wrong way ,but that somehow worked too. <You would have to move the people you want to KEEP into the new project, and then delete the ORIGINAL project (maybe followed by renaming the new project back to the old name).< That was what Lee mentioned too!. I am still learning!. I have started on making the new project with the people I want to keep ,and I assume it will take about two days for the report to finish. Erik

At 2/9/2019 2:35 PM, Erik Hov wrote: >Thanks very much for answering my questions. I now know what to do!. >I will keep the ID numbers ,and delete the people by getting them in a >new >project and then delete that project. Uhm... That sounds a bit unclear and backwards... Putting people into a new project does not remove them from the original project, so "getting them in a new project and then delete that project" is a lot of disk activity for no gain. You would have to move the people you want to KEEP into the new project, and then delete the ORIGINAL project (maybe followed by renaming the new project back to the old name). I don't recall of ID numbers carry over when creating new projects, or if TMG fills the new records in sequential order.

<If eneryone in your data set has the AAS Flag set to either Y or N and nothing else the putting the AAS=N people in the new project is the right way to go. That is, send the AAS =N people to a project named "Kladd2" Following this, review "Kladd2" to make sure it had who you want in it. Then make a backup of "Kladd" and then delete "Kladd". Now rename "Kladd2" to "Kladd". You would use File +>Copy Project in TMG for this. With the "Kladd2" project open in TMG, select File=>Close Project. Then select File=>Copy Project.< Thanks!. Yes ,everyone in the Kladd project has AAS Flag set to Y or N. 121555 with Y and 874509 with N. Will name the new project with the AAS N people into something ,and then use the method you mentioned naming it back to Kladd after deleting the old Kladd project. ( I just took a backup of the Kladd project). To make a new project of 874509 people ,would I guess...take about 2 days.

At 2/9/2019 13:11, Erik Hov wrote >OK. I want to delete those 121555 with AAS=Y flag from my "Kladd" project >,so would the proper way doing that is to use the List of People to make a >new project of all the people with AAS=N ,and then delete the Kladd >project?? If eneryone in your data set has the AAS Flag set to either Y or N and nothing else the putting the AAS=N people in the new project is the right way to go. That is, send the AAS =N people to a project named "Kladd2" Following this, review "Kladd2" to make sure it had who you want in it. Then make a backup of "Kladd" and then delete "Kladd". Now rename "Kladd2" to "Kladd". You wouolod use File +>Copy Project in TMG for this. With the "Kladd2" project open in TMG, select File=>Close Project. Then select File=>Copy Project. Copy project can also move the project to a different location at the same time which may be handy if you created "Kladd2" in a different location than "Kladd" and want to have the new project in the old location. Lee

At 2/9/2019 12:30, sguzik@comcast.net wrote >I am only now discovering how to use many of the features of TMG >-something I wish I had learned a decade ago. I have version 7 not >realizing I should have updated before the business ended. Although >this seems a basic question, I am frustrated in finding an answer. > >I've been printing out Family Group Sheet reports to PDF (since none >of the file options besides TXT will work for me and that loses any >formatting). The only option that works that for me to print the >accompanying citations is to run a second Endnotes report after >every FGS report. >1) Is there a way to get the endnotes to print with the FGS? >2) Or if that is the only way to do it, is there a way to have a >title that indicates which FGS it is supposed to accompany? >3) If I were to accumulate endnotes, do they come out as separate >reports that begin at 1 again? (If that makes sense.) Have you tried creating the report by using a destination of File with a File Type of RTF? An RTF file will include any footnote or endnotes Accumulated notes continue the numbering. Lee

On 2/9/2019 12:30 PM, sguzik@comcast.net wrote: > I am only now discovering how to use many of the features of TMG -something I wish I had learned a decade ago. I have version 7 not realizing I should have updated before the business ended. Although this seems a basic question, I am frustrated in finding an answer. > > I've been printing out Family Group Sheet reports to PDF (since none of the file options besides TXT will work for me and that loses any formatting). The only option that works that for me to print the accompanying citations is to run a second Endnotes report after every FGS report. > 1) Is there a way to get the endnotes to print with the FGS? Sharon, Yes. As John says, update to TMG9. In the "new" report writer released in TMG8 the footnotes or endnotes were combined with the associated report. Terry Reigel

<Creating a new project from an old project does _NOT_ change the old project. If you want the new project to have the same name as the old then create the new one, make sure the new one is correct, make a backup of the old one, then delete the old one, and the rename the new one to be the same as the old one.< OK. I want to delete those 121555 with AAS=Y flag from my "Kladd" project ,so would the proper way doing that is to use the List of People to make a new project of all the people with AAS=N ,and then delete the Kladd project??

On 2/9/2019 11:55 AM, Rowan Sylvester-Bradley wrote: > What I am trying now is to create a separate source for each page of > census record (which effectively means one per family, since there is > rarely more than one family of interest on one census page), and then > to create a citation for each person and each event/tag of those > people pointing to the source. That seems to me to offer the benefit > that nearly all the information (including an image of the census > page) is in the source, so I only have to enter it once, but at the > same time the information is attached (via the citation) to each > person and event that needs it. The information in the citation (apart > from the reference to the source) just needs to be anything that is > different or specific to this  person or event. This would typically > be any non-obvious deductions that I have made from the census data. > > Does that sound reasonable? Rowan, Yes, it does. Sorry, but I misunderstood your previous post to mean you were trying to enter only one Citation per person. What you are describing is essentially what I do. I create one Source per household, which may be what you mean. I often find a census household includes extended families. Likewise, it's not uncommon to find adult children in separate households listed adjacent to or near their parents or siblings. In those cases I create separate Sources for each household. When a person of interest is rooming with an unrelated person or in a hotel or institution I record the official head of household as the focus of the Source definition. I create citations for every census appearance I find for a person as well as other sources so I can easily see when the source agree or not. But I exclude all but the two or three that best support the information entered to reduce the number of note reference numbers. I leave more than that un-excluded only when there is a real conflict that needs to be documented. Terry Reigel

At 2/9/2019 11:09, Erik Hov wrote >Put the people I want to keep into the new project? >The project I am going to delete people from is "Kladd". (The project I am >working with and uses to split and delete from). >It`s 121555 AAS=Y people in the Kladd project ,which I just have started a >report sending them to a new project named "Sletting" ,for after that to >delete the "Sletting" project ,and that way delete those 121555. >Why should I put the people I want to keep in that new project instead of >the the people with flag AAS=Y? Creating a new project from an old project does _NOT_ change the old project. If you want the new project to have the same name as the old then create the new one, make sure the new one is correct, make a backup of the old one, then delete the old one, and the rename the new one to be the same as the old one. Lee

Sharon, I suggest you contact Harry Goegebeur. He has TMG v9 licenses available. TMG v9 has several advantages over TMG v7, and it's more likely to work smoothly in the current version of MS Windows. If you are interested, contact me off-list and I will provide you with Harry's email address. John

Rowan Sylvester-Bradley wrote: > How can I delete a report definition that is causing > trouble, and preventing Second Site from running? Rowan, A TMG report definition will not prevent Second Site from running. If you describe the symptoms / error message in SS, I will try to provide advice. John

Rowan asked: > What I'm trying to achieve is: > > 1. An efficient way of entering the data. E.g. for a census return, > I should not have to enter the same citation data multiple times for > for each family member, and for multiple tags for each member. I don't see why not. When I look at the SS page of only one family member I want to see the full citation on their page too. I describe my way to enter census data in some detail in the "Census" chapter of my on-line book here: https://www.mjh-nm.net/CENSUS.HTML#CensusSources The way I make entering the citation data easier is to use BOTH the Citation Detail and the Citation Memo. The basic citation data goes in the CD so that when I go to another tag I can just click the button to repeat the last citation and the common data is entered without retyping. They I can separately enter in the CM the data that is specific to this tag. I find this quite efficient. > 2. All of the citation/source data should be recorded within TMG. Ageed. > 3. There should be local copies of the data Disagree. I would only do this if the source is either hard to obtain or likely to be lost. Census data is easy to obtain and unlikely to be lost. So I do not do this for census data. > 4. The data should be presented in my Second Site website in a good, > accurate, complete and easy to understand way. Agreed. Which is why I set the SS configuration for sources to have the Citation "Full, then Short", and include the Source Page using the "Bibliography" template. > One of my main uncertainties is whether the source should be very > general (i.e. just FamilySearch, or The British Library), or much more > specific (i.e. a single page within FamilySearch with its URL, or a > specific page within a specific book found within a specific department > at the Brtish Library), or somewhere in between. I agree, which is why I make use of all three TMG templates. My principle is for the Short Footnote to be just barely enough to refer back to the Full Footnote (or maybe find the Bibliographic entry), and the Full Footnote to be just enough to clearly identify the source and find its more complete Bibliographic (Source List) annotated entry. > I have copies of both the Elizabeth Shown Mills books My personal style intentionally differs from the principal cited by Ms. Mills, but since I almost always include a Bibliography with any TMG report or Source List with Second Site, this focus on the bibliograpy entry is recognized by the Chicago Manual of Style, which she recommends. Hope this gives you ideas, Michael

I am only now discovering how to use many of the features of TMG -something I wish I had learned a decade ago. I have version 7 not realizing I should have updated before the business ended. Although this seems a basic question, I am frustrated in finding an answer. I've been printing out Family Group Sheet reports to PDF (since none of the file options besides TXT will work for me and that loses any formatting). The only option that works that for me to print the accompanying citations is to run a second Endnotes report after every FGS report. 1) Is there a way to get the endnotes to print with the FGS? 2) Or if that is the only way to do it, is there a way to have a title that indicates which FGS it is supposed to accompany? 3) If I were to accumulate endnotes, do they come out as separate reports that begin at 1 again? (If that makes sense.) Many thanks for any answers! Sharon

How can I delete a report definition that is causing trouble, and preventing Second Site from running? Thanks - Rowan

John Hanson wrote: > I have imported into a separate dataset into the same project > a separate list of about 3,000 people... > Now there most be some that exist in both but how to find them. Tools // Check for Duplicate People Set the various configuration parameters as desired. But the important setting is in the "Filters" settings. Be sure to tic the "Everyone in the project" so that the tests will compare people in different data sets. Look for the pairs where the person ID numbers in front of the colon (i.e. the dataset numbers) differ. Hope this gives you ideas, Michael

I was certain that this had been covered but for the life of me I can't find it. I have tried help and keep going round in circles. Simply I have my original database of about 35,000 in TMG for the Halstead one name study so there are lots of people with the same names and dates. This dataset is predominately UK based. I have imported into a separate dataset into the same project a separate list of about 3,000 people which had been created elsewhere of the those related to the early Halsted's in the USA from about 1630. Now there most be some that exist in both but how to find them. Any ideas welcome. Regards John Hanson - researching the Halstead/Holstead/Alstead names Researcher, the Halsted Trust, https://www.halstedresearch.org.uk