I was wondering if it is possible to store the TMG database on OneDrive so it can be used by either of my two different computers. Or on a NAS unit. Alexander

On 2/14/19 1:16 PM, kith-n-kin@cox.net wrote: > Good morning all. I have a "one name study" database housed on my personal computer. > There is another member of the group who is willing to take up TMG (I have two more licenses) to lend a hand with doing the upkeep. > > Now, when I'm at home, I can utilize the database from my PC and also from my laptop, by pointing both of the computers to a common file. So, the question is this. > > Is it possible to set up a cloud storage and have the files all stored there, and access them from two different computers (not at the same time)? > > D:\Mom's Documents\The Master Genealogist v905\Projects\ProjectName to > > NamethecCloud\MyStorage\The Master Genealogist v905\Projects\ProjectName > > As you could guess, I've not done much with cloud storage, but have access to a couple of terabytes there. > > Anyone done this? > > Pat Dunford > Tucson Using 'typical' cloud storage methods that keep files locally and sync to the cloud are a recipe for corrupting your database, as they don't understand the needs of the database. Transferring backups is the safe method, you only need to keep clear who 'owns' the data at a given time so there is no issue with two sets of edits at the same time. One method that I do remember someone doing was setting up a WAN fileshare (similar to accessing the database on the disk of a computer on your local network using a file share, but at longer distances, which is safe). The one issue here is that the access to the database will be significantly slower, so you will experience some lags in editing. Doing this would also allow the two people to be editing at the same time, you just can't be editing the same records at once, TMG fully support record level locking in the database. -- Richard Damon

Lee wrote: <I don't mean to delete all 121000, but a small number at a time -- say 100-200. Then Optimie and try creating <the new project. That may work, but if not try another 100-200. Keep this up until the new project is created. <Still not a happy option, but all I can think of. Not a happy option ,and it seems I have a hard decision to make about this....hmmm. Last time I split out a project ,I had the same problem with deleting the "Y" people. Then ,I had about 20000 to delete ,and that didn`t work sending to a project either (if I recall right). What I did back then was to send about 3000 to a dataset(!) ,and then delete the dataset after each time ,and then optimize (I don`t remember if I also run validate and optimize after that). I don`t remember correctly ,but I might have put the "Y" people into the focusgroup or project explorer ,marked about 3000 of them and then put them into a dataset. Just a thought...........Since I have several MUCH smaller projects.....would it be possible to delete all of those 121000 (or a portion at a time) by sending them to a dataset within ANOTHER much smaller project??? (That`s until my large project is small enough to send flagged people to a new project from the LoP) <Wait a minute!! If the project creation you just tried had worked, those people would have been deleted <anyway. You may need to reconsider what you had planned. You may want to go back and change <some of those AAS=Y to AAS=N. So you may not have 121000 to delete after all. They wouldn't have been deleted right away because they would still be in the large project while the AAS=N would be in the new project. But as you said....if the new project had been created correctly ,I would have deleted the old large one ,and "got rid of" those 121000. I could also as you said change some of those Y people to N ,but it would be some steps back. Also it had to be set back to AAS=Y anyway....and I would also need to write down Id numbers for all those I had changed into AAS=N in order to change them back to Y. <The resoning is that "global" deleting of project members is frauight with possible problems -- primarily being <that the wrong persons get deleted and that is not noticed until later after much more work has been done. Yes ,I can see that one.... Since I have an accentcolor on the AAS=Y people I guess I would notice if any AAS=N should be deleted if I took a look at all of the ones to be deleted in the focusgroup or project explorer.

At 2/14/2019 21:02, Erik Hov wrote >Delete the 121000 one at a time would be extreme ,and take a long time. >I agree that it would reduce the size of the project too. I don't mean to delete all 121000, but a small number at a time -- say 100-200. Then Optimie and try creating the new project. That may work, but if not try another 100-200. Keep this up until the new project is created. Still not a happy option, but all I can think of. The group may not be parents and their children. It just means a group that tends to be connected in some way. The connection may only be that the AAS Flag equals Y. >But I can't identify small familygroups and delete them ,because some of the >descendants of the people with AAS =Y are married to or have children with >people with AAS = N flag people ,and I am going to keep the AAS N people ,so >that`s not an option for me. Wait a minute!! If the project creation you just tried had worked, those people would have been deleted anyway. You may need to reconsider what you had planned. You may want to go back and change some of those AAS=Y to AAS=N. So you may not have 121000 to delete after all. >If it had been possible to mark let`s say 50000 AAS Y people at a time ,make >a new project of those ,and then delete that project with the 50000 ,and >then continue with that until all 121000 are deleted?.....but just getting >them to a project doesn`t delete them from the large project..... Right. This was part of the design of TMG. The resoning is that "global" deleting of project members is frauight with possible problems -- primarily being that the wrong persons get deleted and that is not noticed until later after much more work has been done. Lee

Lee. Delete the 121000 one at a time would be extreme ,and take a long time. I agree that it would reduce the size of the project too. But I can`t identify small familygroups and delete them ,because some of the descendants of the people with AAS =Y are married to or have children with people with AAS = N flag people ,and I am going to keep the AAS N people ,so that`s not an option for me. Since all the people in the project have an AAS flag with value Y or N ,I have to somehow use the marked AAS Y people and delete them somehow. Any ideas on that would be most welcome!. If it had been possible to mark let`s say 50000 AAS Y people at a time ,make a new project of those ,and then delete that project with the 50000 ,and then continue with that until all 121000 are deleted?.....but just getting them to a project doesn`t delete them from the large project..... -----Opprinnelig melding----- Fra: Lee Hoffman [mailto:azchief@bellsouth.net] Sendt: 15. februar 2019 01:39 Til: The Master Genealogist Rootsweb Email List <tmg@rootsweb.com> Emne: [TMG] Re: Error message trying to make a new project At 2/14/2019 19:09, Erik Hov wrote The only other possibility to my thinking is to manually delete them 'one at a time'. But for 121000 people, that is somewhat extreme. Still, using that method to reduce the overall size of the project a small amount at a time until it is at a point where the List of People report method works may be about the only option. The ides would be to identify small family groups and delete them. Then at some point where you have deleted a number of these groups and optimized the project, try the List of People method. Theoretically, at some point, the project will be small enough to allow the satifactory completion of the List of People method. I suspect there is another faster method, but it would be very complex and would require a thorough understanding of the structural design of TMG projects and files and how they all tie together as well as the specialized software to do the work. Lee _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/tmg@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

At 2/14/2019 19:09, Erik Hov wrote >TMG is also working now (maintenance/Validating) and task manager tells TMG >to use about 729000 kB memory and abt 12-13% of CPU. >Seems to me ,I have to look for other possibilities for deleting those ca >121000 AAS = Y people in my project..... The only other possibility to my thinking is to manually delete them 'one at a time'. But for 121000 people, that is somewhat extreme. Still, using that method to reduce the overall size of the project a small amount at a time until it is at a point where the List of People report method works may be about the only option. The ides would be to identify small family groups and delete them. Then at some point where you have deleted a number of these groups and optimized the project, try the List of People method. Theoretically, at some point, the project will be small enough to allow the satifactory completion of the List of People method. I suspect there is another faster method, but it would be very complex and would require a thorough understanding of the structural design of TMG projects and files and how they all tie together as well as the specialized software to do the work. Lee

Lee wrote: <My tests running a full "copy" of a 66 thousand person project using the List of People report Secondary Output is <that TMG uses aboiut <363 MB of memory and about 15% of the CPU. These numbers vary throughout the process, but not by much. <Most of the time, the Task Manager reports TMG as "not responding" which means that that various Windows <processes are taking place and TMG is awaiting those processes (e.g., the computer is thinking about things. It <took about ten minutes to create the new project while nothing else was being done on the computer except <background mail checks). <For comparison, doing the same with a 10 thousand person project, the Task Manager showed much the same. <The difference was that the new project was completed in about a minute. <This is on a Win 10 -32bit system. A 64bit system would likely take <less time and resource use would be different. The number of open windows appears to make no difference. When I tried to make a new project from the List of People report secondary output (from 874000 of the 996000 people) I have in my project (those with flag listed as AAS = N) ,the TMG was also most of the time not responding. 10 minutes to create the new project....well ,my report run for 1 1/2 day and when the error message came ,TMG stopped working at 11% on the namefile. (I have Win 7 ,64 bit system) TMG is also working now (maintenance/Validating) and task manager tells TMG to use about 729000 kB memory and abt 12-13% of CPU. Seems to me ,I have to look for other possibilities for deleting those ca 121000 AAS = Y people in my project.....

At 2/14/2019 15:01, Erik Hov wrote >When running TMG uses about 438748 kB memory (not working on any report or >anything....just running). My tests running a full "copy" of a 66 thousand person project using the List of People report Secondary Output is that TMG uses aboiut 363 MB of memory and about 15% of the CPU. These numbers vary throughout the process, but not by much. Most of the time, the Task Manager reports TMG as "not responding" which means that that various Windows processes are taking place and TMG is awaiting those processes (e.g., the computer is thinking about things. It took about ten minutes to create the new project while nothing else was being done on the computer except background mail checks). For comparison, doing the same with a 10 thousand person project, the Task Manager showed much the same. The difference was that the new project was completed in about a minute. This is on a Win 10 -32bit system. A 64bit system would likely take less time and resource use would be different. The number of open windows appears to make no difference. Lee

At 2/14/2019 14:59, kith-n-kin@cox.net wrote >Thank you, Lee. This describes what I was wanting to do. >Fortunately, my co-lead on this project much more conversant in these matters. Note that in a network, two persons can access the same TMG project at the same time. However, they are restricted in what records can be accessed. When person A opens a record, that record is locked by TMG and person B is prevented from accessing that same record until person A "releases the record (saves [any changes] or exits by cancelling) Lee

Thanks, Karen! This would be my "push comes to shove" method, but I'm hoping for a "live" process. I did the backup on computer a, send backup to b, b opens and does the same, on my own computers. BUT, brain fade...gotta remember which iteration is "live" so you don't wind up with mis-matched databases. Pat

When running TMG uses about 438748 kB memory (not working on any report or anything....just running). -----Opprinnelig melding----- Fra: Dennis Lee Bieber [mailto:bieber.genealogy@earthlink.net] Sendt: 14. februar 2019 20:42 Til: The Master Genealogist Rootsweb Email List <tmg@rootsweb.com> Emne: [TMG] Re: Error message trying to make a new project At 2/14/2019 7:39 PM, Erik Hov wrote: >Of course!. >Then I have the same , Details, Children, Siblings (and possibly flag >window ,but don`t remember). >Doing a LoP report (not to screen...suppressing....) gives of course >the Report Definition Screen and a Progress window pop-up, followed by >a confirmation for copying to new project. The last window disappearing >when the progress Window appears. > I'm out of ideas then (short of rebooting the computer, and opening the task manager to monitor how much memory TMG is sucking up while running -- as a 32-bit program, it will be limited to 2GB of user RAM) _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/tmg@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Thank you, Lee. This describes what I was wanting to do. Fortunately, my co-lead on this project much more conversant in these matters. Pat

At 2/14/2019 6:16 PM, kith-n-kin@cox.net wrote: > >Is it possible to set up a cloud storage and have the files all stored >there, and access them from two different computers (not at the same time)? > I avoid cloud storage -- but believe most such systems operate on a copy/save procedure, and not on a "live I/O" scheme. Since TMG projects are 80+ individual files, and the database engine opens/closes them throughout operations (opening an event tag will result in retrieving data from place data, witness data, citation data) I suspect the cloud system won't suffice -- unless you can mount the cloud location as a "drive" (that is, you can use "This PC" [or "My Computer" if old enough], and Map Network Drive). Safest is the tedious method of creating a back-up; copy the back-up to the cloud; friend then copies from the cloud, restores [will help to have the same directory structure on both computers], does changes, back-up and copy to cloud to return it to you, and you then restore that back-up for use.

At 2/14/2019 7:39 PM, Erik Hov wrote: >Of course!. >Then I have the same , Details, Children, Siblings (and possibly flag >window >,but don`t remember). >Doing a LoP report (not to screen...suppressing....) gives of course the >Report Definition Screen and a Progress window pop-up, followed by a >confirmation for copying to new project. The last window disappearing >when >the progress Window appears. > I'm out of ideas then (short of rebooting the computer, and opening the task manager to monitor how much memory TMG is sucking up while running -- as a 32-bit program, it will be limited to 2GB of user RAM)

I have a fading memory of two fellows who did a version of this and reported to the TMG forum (before active support ended). A backup was sent to the cloud by guy one, and a notice was sent to the other guy, guy two downloaded the backup, opened it and did work, made a fresh backup, and sent it up the cloud and so on. On Thu, Feb 14, 2019 at 10:17 AM <kith-n-kin@cox.net> wrote: > Good morning all. I have a "one name study" database housed on my personal > computer. > There is another member of the group who is willing to take up TMG (I have > two more licenses) to lend a hand with doing the upkeep. > > Now, when I'm at home, I can utilize the database from my PC and also from > my laptop, by pointing both of the computers to a common file. So, the > question is this. > > Is it possible to set up a cloud storage and have the files all stored > there, and access them from two different computers (not at the same time)? > > D:\Mom's Documents\The Master Genealogist v905\Projects\ProjectName to > > NamethecCloud\MyStorage\The Master Genealogist v905\Projects\ProjectName > > As you could guess, I've not done much with cloud storage, but have access > to a couple of terabytes there. > > Anyone done this? > > Pat Dunford > Tucson > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/tmg@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > -- Karen Willard President & Computer Archivist for the Willard Family Association of America, Inc. One-Name Study: Willard (Williard, Willyard)

It`s only that single project ,no other dataset in the same project..... -----Opprinnelig melding----- Fra: John Cardinal [mailto:jfcardinal@gmail.com] Sendt: 14. februar 2019 19:56 Til: TMG-L <tmg@rootsweb.com> Emne: [TMG] Re: Error message trying to make a new project Eric, How many datasets are defined in the project you are using when the error occurs? John _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/tmg@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Eric, How many datasets are defined in the project you are using when the error occurs? John

At 2/14/2019 13:16, kith-n-kin@cox.net wrote >Good morning all. I have a "one name study" database housed on my >personal computer. >There is another member of the group who is willing to take up TMG >(I have two more licenses) to lend a hand with doing the upkeep. > >Now, when I'm at home, I can utilize the database from my PC and >also from my laptop, by pointing both of the computers to a common >file. So, the question is this. > >Is it possible to set up a cloud storage and have the files all >stored there, and access them from two different computers (not at >the same time)? > >D:\Mom's Documents\The Master Genealogist v905\Projects\ProjectName to > > NamethecCloud\MyStorage\The Master Genealogist v905\Projects\ProjectName > >As you could guess, I've not done much with cloud storage, but have >access to a couple of terabytes there. > >Anyone done this? TMG permits networked use of project files. I do not think that the Cloud would qualify for this although I have never tried it. I have used to same project files viw a home network, and even accessed it while traveling. When I traveled, I had to sign in to the home network in order to make things work. Back in 2005 after TMG v5.0 was released, Warren Culpepper did some experimenting and wrote a case study report of his findings. That is available via a link at <http://www.tmgtips.com/tmgw_v510.htm#MULTIPLE%20USERS>. As noted, this was 2005 and was before the Cloud. The principles he mentioned are still applicable for TMG v9.05. Actually, later versions of Windows makes setting up networks a lot easier. Lee

Of course!. Then I have the same , Details, Children, Siblings (and possibly flag window ,but don`t remember). Doing a LoP report (not to screen...suppressing....) gives of course the Report Definition Screen and a Progress window pop-up, followed by a confirmation for copying to new project. The last window disappearing when the progress Window appears. -----Opprinnelig melding----- Fra: Dennis Lee Bieber [mailto:bieber.genealogy@earthlink.net] Sendt: 14. februar 2019 18:56 Til: The Master Genealogist Rootsweb Email List <tmg@rootsweb.com> Emne: [TMG] Re: Error message trying to make a new project At 2/14/2019 6:18 PM, Erik Hov wrote: >Only one TMG window..... > Not clear... My TMG application window has three sub-windows at all times... Details, Children, Siblings. Performing a LoP report (to screen) means also having the Report Definition Screen and a Progress window pop-up, followed by a confirmation for copying to new project, and then a progress screen for that phase. (Also, little known to most, in M$ Windows, each /button/ is treated as a child window). _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/tmg@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Good morning all. I have a "one name study" database housed on my personal computer. There is another member of the group who is willing to take up TMG (I have two more licenses) to lend a hand with doing the upkeep. Now, when I'm at home, I can utilize the database from my PC and also from my laptop, by pointing both of the computers to a common file. So, the question is this. Is it possible to set up a cloud storage and have the files all stored there, and access them from two different computers (not at the same time)? D:\Mom's Documents\The Master Genealogist v905\Projects\ProjectName to NamethecCloud\MyStorage\The Master Genealogist v905\Projects\ProjectName As you could guess, I've not done much with cloud storage, but have access to a couple of terabytes there. Anyone done this? Pat Dunford Tucson