At 2/16/2019 4:07 PM, Rowan Sylvester-Bradley wrote: >I would certainly appreciate a way of acccessing my database from >multiple computers (e.g. desktop and laptop) without having to >laboriously copy backup files from one to the other (and remember to >copy it back again afterwards). I recognise that this is difficult with >TMG not having been designed with the possibility that some other >application (e.g another copy of itself) is periodically locking its >files, but if anyone has developed a way of doing this I'd be keen to >learn about it. I don't think I need the ability to open the database in > >two copies of TMG on different devices simultaneously - just at >different times. > If both computers are on the same local network, use of a decent network storage device (NAS) should do it. The other option is to keep the data on one of the computers, in a directory or partition which has been configured as sharable, and have the other computer mount that directory/partition (This PC/Map Network Drive). Using a NAS makes it easier to mount using the same "drive letter" and paths on both computers -- a bit more difficult to do when mounting a directory. Since VFP uses a form of record level locking (as I understand things), you can even do some operations simultaneously -- as long as you don't need to access records related to one individual (place/source/event) at the same time. -- bieber.genealogy@earthlink.net Dennis Lee Bieber HTTP://home.earthlink.net/~bieber.genealogy/

At 2/16/2019 13:30, Rowan Sylvester-Bradley wrote >Some parts of the sentence don't come from anything I have entered, >nor from the Sentence Structrure (e.g. "in", "on" and the >punctuation). Where are these defined? Are they hard coded within >TMG? I guess they can't be because of the need to deal with foreign >languages. If I want to change some of these things, e.g. change >"in" to "at", or a comma to a semicolon, how do I do this? These place prepositions come from your selection on the Report Definition screen => [Options...] window, Places tab. The Preposition option is at the upper right. Date prepositions are hard wired into TMG. Neither place or data preposition will appear if the Variable is not within Conditional (< & >) Markers. So if the Sentence Structure is: [S] worked as [M1] [L] D]<. [M2]> then the resulting sentence would be: Rowan Sylvester-Bradley worked as Chief Engineer Herbert and Sons Ltd, Rookwood Way, Haverhill, Suffolk, 10 Oct 1996. In both cases, the second Memo segment ([M2]) is ignored because it is marked as Conditional. Lee

At 2/16/2019 13:12, derek@bandy.org wrote >I also have my TMG files on OneDrive, and can access from 3 different >machines. BUT they are also on the hard drive of my primary machine, which >is an option you have with OneDrive. NO problems ever. If TMG accesses the project file in the Cloud, regardless of what computer is being used, there is a definite chance of data loss at some point. As has been noted, there are some eighty files to a project. These are being updated at various times throughout a working session. If there is a "hiccup" during one of these updates, the entire project would be corrupted. Lee

Sorry, forgot that all images get lost. I meant to include this one: http://sylvesterbradley.org/images/tmg_occupation_tag190216.png Rowan

I'm trying to fully understnd how TMG generates sentences. For example, I have an Occupation tag like this: The sentence structure is this: [S] worked as [M1] <[L]> <[D]><. [M2]> The sentence generated is: Rowan Sylvester-Bradley worked as Chief Engineer in Herbert and Sons Ltd, Rookwood Way, Haverhill, Suffolk, on 10 Oct 1996. Some parts of the sentence don't come from anything I have entered, nor from the Sentence Structrure (e.g. "in", "on" and the punctuation). Where are these defined? Are they hard coded within TMG? I guess they can't be because of the need to deal with foreign languages. If I want to change some of these things, e.g. change "in" to "at", or a comma to a semicolon, how do I do this? Thanks - Rowan

I use the Compressed Pedigree Chart to build a sort of worksheet. I have twelve generations of my ancestors in the report. I open it in word processing and copy from a previous report how the relationships/marriages are proven. Or, if the information is unverified, partially verified, etc. I highlight the unverified, partially verified or problem areas in red. Sometimes, proof may rest with the work of a prominent genealogist, but in which I have not reviewed the original documents because they are in Germany (no microfilm) - I use red here also to remind me to keep checking to see if I can verify independently. New information gets the word NEW in boldface and in a bright blue. When I was still active with DNA studies, I sent this to possible matches so they could see how my data was proven. I believe this type of report more useful than a simple tree which often is undocumented and full of errors. Ive found most people don’t want to read a long, footnoted TMG report, but they will look at a compressed pedigree. I used the regular pedigree report to help landmen find descendants of my great-grandfather who had forgotten he held property (alas, only 5 acres) in a “hot" oil-shale Texas county. I saved the landmen countless hours of courthouse research. Yes, copying this information for the compressed pedigree is tedious (am in the process of updating the report now . . had to delete three generations to a given line after further research and add four generations to another line for the same reason), but it is the best way I’ve found to indicate what needs work. It also helps me plan research forays as I am inclined to fill in data for non-directly related people (I input siblings, etc.) as I find it, forgetting my primary purpose. Regards, Toby

I also have my TMG files on OneDrive, and can access from 3 different machines. BUT they are also on the hard drive of my primary machine, which is an option you have with OneDrive. NO problems ever. Kind regards, Derek Bandy -----Original Message----- From: Lee Hoffman <azchief@bellsouth.net> Sent: 16 February 2019 17:25 To: The Master Genealogist Rootsweb Email List <tmg@rootsweb.com> Subject: [TMG] Re: Storing database in the cloud At 2/16/2019 11:07, Rowan Sylvester-Bradley wrote >I would certainly appreciate a way of acccessing my database from >multiple computers (e.g. desktop and laptop) without having to >laboriously copy backup files from one to the other (and remember to >copy it back again afterwards). I recognise that this is difficult with >TMG not having been designed with the possibility that some other >application (e.g another copy of itself) is periodically locking its >files, but if anyone has developed a way of doing this I'd be keen to >learn about it. I don't think I need the ability to open the database >in two copies of TMG on different devices simultaneously - just at >different times. "Laboriously" copy? It is an easy drag-n-drop step. Of a litttle work up front to create a batch file that does the same thing. For example, I have a batch file to copy from backups to a external drive this is like this: >CD C:\TMGv9\UD\Backups\ >rem The above changes the focus of the computer to the backup folder >@echo off >setlocal >if not "%1"=="" goto argsok >echo usage: %0 sqzfile >echo where: sqzfile is the file name of your SQZ file >echo Example: sqzfile = myproject5.sqz >echo backup myproject5.sqz >echo or >echo backup "myproject5.sqz" >goto end > >:argsok > setlocal > set sqzfile=%1 > set backupdir=F:\TMGBAK\ > if not exist %backupdir% goto notfile > echo %backupdir% exists > goto skipdir >:notfile > rem If the backup file does not exist, create it. > if exist %backupdir%\nul goto skipdir > md %backupdir% > if "%errorlevel%"=="0" goto skipdir > echo Error creating backup directory > goto end >:skipdir > echo Copying %sqzfile% > xcopy /f/v/y %sqzfile% %backupdir% >:end >rem Clean up >endlocal > >pause Note that you have to call the batch file by adding the backup filename as part of the command. The design is that I use the backup filename system where TMG steps through a backup number suffix (from 0 to (I use 9)) rather than using the longer date & time suffix. You could modify the batch file to use only the suffix, but I never did. Or you could moidify it to ask for the backup filenmae. That aside, go to <http://www.tmgtips.com/tmgw_v510.htm#MULTIPLE%20USERS> and take a look at the case study that Warren Culpepper did back in 2005 regarding networked computers. Lee _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/tmg@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

> On Feb 16, 2019, at 11:07 AM, Rowan Sylvester-Bradley <rowan@sylvesterbradley.org> wrote: > > I would certainly appreciate a way of acccessing my database from multiple computers (e.g. desktop and laptop) without having to laboriously copy backup files from one to the other (and remember to copy it back again afterwards). I recognise that this is difficult with TMG not having been designed with the possibility that some other application (e.g another copy of itself) is periodically locking its files, but if anyone has developed a way of doing this I'd be keen to learn about it. I don't think I need the ability to open the database in two copies of TMG on different devices simultaneously - just at different times. > > Thanks - Rowan > If the two computers are on the same network, you can place the database in a shared directory (not ‘cloud’, but a basic network shared directory) on one computer, then you can access it from a different computer connecting to that shared directory. This is fully supported, TMG fully expects that there might be a second database program accessing the file, possibly over a network, using the database specific locking procedures. A second method would be an extension of the procedure I described, with a batch file to copy the data from a cloud folder to something local and not accessed by cloud functions, before running TMG, and then copy back afterwards. The one real important caveat to this is you MUST give the cloud system type to fully upload the data from the first machine and then update that to the second machine before you use it, or you will lose data and possibly corrupt the files. It would be best if the cloud system gives you some positive visual confirmation when both of these are done.

I do it differently from Lee. After I’ve backed up to the TMG User/Backup location, I first close TMG. This is critical! Then, I save the backup file to a stand-alone hard disk which gives me a second backup. Finally I open Cloudberry (my interface with Amazon S3/Glacier) and start my backup plan which has my Windows Data (including all of the TMG files), giving me a third backup. I have restored a file successfully from Cloudberry. I have been doing this for five years with no problem. Sometimes, if I am editing heavily, I will backup twice a day - - - ALWAYS with TMG closed. Regards, Toby

Lee - thanks for your reply. I have just read the Warren Culpepper document, and am surprised, as he suggests that TMG _will_ successfully work with multiple clients (i.e. PCs running TMG) and a single database, without any file locking problems. What is the truth here, brought forward to 2019 and TMG9? _Can_ two (or more) TMG users access the same database at the same time without any file corruption or locking problems? If so, does this need to be two users logged into and running the same copy of TMG on the same server, or can it be two different computers running two copies of TMG? I realise that the configuration suggested by Warren (with the users connected via RDC to a copy of TMG running (presumably in two different instances) on a remote Windows Server computer) is different from putting the database in the cloud, and accessing it from different copies of TMG running on different computers in different palces. I'm just trying to understand the exact limitations. Thanks - Rowan On 16/02/19 17:25, Lee Hoffman wrote: > At 2/16/2019 11:07, Rowan Sylvester-Bradley wrote >> I would certainly appreciate a way of acccessing my database from >> multiple computers (e.g. desktop and laptop) without having to >> laboriously copy backup files from one to the other (and remember to >> copy it back again afterwards). I recognise that this is difficult >> with TMG not having been designed with the possibility that some >> other application (e.g another copy of itself) is periodically >> locking its files, but if anyone has developed a way of doing this >> I'd be keen to learn about it. I don't think I need the ability to >> open the database in two copies of TMG on different devices >> simultaneously - just at different times. > > That aside, go to > <http://www.tmgtips.com/tmgw_v510.htm#MULTIPLE%20USERS>  and take a > look at the case study that Warren Culpepper did back in 2005 > regarding networked computers. > > Lee

At 2/16/2019 12:08, Erik Hov wrote >The project actually has about 996000 people ,and it will have about 875000 >people after deleting those about 121000.... >Also found out about how I seemingly deleted people from last time I split >out a project. I see I have written in my diary that I made a dataset in the >datasetmanager ,and then put 3000 people in the focusgroup and then "sent >them" into that new temporary dataset and deleted that dataset later ,and >then optimized ,and continuing doing that until I had deleted the people I >wanted to delete...... As has been said before -- that will not work!!! You cannot COPY (which is what you do in creating a new data set or a new project ) people to a new data set or project and then delete to new data set/project and expect those people to disappear from the original project. The thing is that COPYING people is NOT in any way MOVING them. TMG provise a way to MOVE people using the Project Explorer from one data set to another and have the person(s) be completely removed from the original data set. Highlight the persons in the Project Explerer to be moved to a different data set and, with the left button depressed, shift the mouse slight to the right. A sihoulette will appear, releaes the mouse button and a notice will appear stating that you can't move within the same data set and asking if you want to move to a different data set. Click [Yes] and the Move persons window will appear. Select the "Move selected people in the Project Explorer option and choose the desired data set. Click [OK] and the people will be copied to the "new" data set and deleted from the "old" one. You can do this move for one person of all those highlighted in the Project Explorer. I would strongly suggest that you make sure that those being moved do not have ANY connection with anyone else in the original data set. If they have, remove thos connections first. Lee

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At 2/16/2019 11:07, Rowan Sylvester-Bradley wrote >I would certainly appreciate a way of acccessing my database from >multiple computers (e.g. desktop and laptop) without having to >laboriously copy backup files from one to the other (and remember to >copy it back again afterwards). I recognise that this is difficult >with TMG not having been designed with the possibility that some >other application (e.g another copy of itself) is periodically >locking its files, but if anyone has developed a way of doing this >I'd be keen to learn about it. I don't think I need the ability to >open the database in two copies of TMG on different devices >simultaneously - just at different times. "Laboriously" copy? It is an easy drag-n-drop step. Of a litttle work up front to create a batch file that does the same thing. For example, I have a batch file to copy from backups to a external drive this is like this: >CD C:\TMGv9\UD\Backups\ >rem The above changes the focus of the computer to the backup folder >@echo off >setlocal >if not "%1"=="" goto argsok >echo usage: %0 sqzfile >echo where: sqzfile is the file name of your SQZ file >echo Example: sqzfile = myproject5.sqz >echo backup myproject5.sqz >echo or >echo backup "myproject5.sqz" >goto end > >:argsok > setlocal > set sqzfile=%1 > set backupdir=F:\TMGBAK\ > if not exist %backupdir% goto notfile > echo %backupdir% exists > goto skipdir >:notfile > rem If the backup file does not exist, create it. > if exist %backupdir%\nul goto skipdir > md %backupdir% > if "%errorlevel%"=="0" goto skipdir > echo Error creating backup directory > goto end >:skipdir > echo Copying %sqzfile% > xcopy /f/v/y %sqzfile% %backupdir% >:end >rem Clean up >endlocal > >pause Note that you have to call the batch file by adding the backup filename as part of the command. The design is that I use the backup filename system where TMG steps through a backup number suffix (from 0 to (I use 9)) rather than using the longer date & time suffix. You could modify the batch file to use only the suffix, but I never did. Or you could moidify it to ask for the backup filenmae. That aside, go to <http://www.tmgtips.com/tmgw_v510.htm#MULTIPLE%20USERS> and take a look at the case study that Warren Culpepper did back in 2005 regarding networked computers. Lee

The project actually has about 996000 people ,and it will have about 875000 people after deleting those about 121000.... Also found out about how I seemingly deleted people from last time I split out a project. I see I have written in my diary that I made a dataset in the datasetmanager ,and then put 3000 people in the focusgroup and then "sent them" into that new temporary dataset and deleted that dataset later ,and then optimized ,and continuing doing that until I had deleted the people I wanted to delete......

Maybe I'm confused. My understanding is that a pedigree is the direct ancestors of a particular individual and does not include anyone else. That, actually, is all I have on Ancestry, not a real tree, which would include everyone related to me, no matter how peripheral. Most people on Ancestry have trees showing their siblings, etc. I have a full tree in MyHeritage. On Sat, Feb 16, 2019 at 6:35 AM Nancy W. <wright4766@bellsouth.net> wrote: > I solved my pedigree chart problem. I created a focus group from one of > the children of the third marriage then added his ancestors. From that I > created a new project. I was then able to create a Pedigree Chart for his > father and his third wife. Now I am not getting a pedigree chart for my > unlce and his fourth wife. > > I will tell my new-found cousin to use this as a "map" to her ancestors. > I know she understands the charts of DNA testers use on Ancestry, which is > a pedigree chart. > Thanks to Sally for introducing/reminding me about the compressed pedigree > chart. > Nancy > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/tmg@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

I would certainly appreciate a way of acccessing my database from multiple computers (e.g. desktop and laptop) without having to laboriously copy backup files from one to the other (and remember to copy it back again afterwards). I recognise that this is difficult with TMG not having been designed with the possibility that some other application (e.g another copy of itself) is periodically locking its files, but if anyone has developed a way of doing this I'd be keen to learn about it. I don't think I need the ability to open the database in two copies of TMG on different devices simultaneously - just at different times. Thanks - Rowan On 16/02/19 15:56, Lee Hoffman wrote: > At 2/16/2019 04:56, Jacquie Seemann Charak wrote >> Mine IS currently stored on OneDrive.  How would I check whether it >> has been >> corrupted?  And is there no way of stopping it?  I definitely prefer >> backing >> up online than relying on a hard drive or disk. > > The problem with using any Cloud service as the main storage for TMG > is that TMG has some 80 files that need to be updated at variouse > times.  While it may seem that the 80 files are updated all at once, > in reality, it is one at a time and this takes time. > > Cloud services are fairly safew most of the time because they are > constantly being backed up by the owning service.  Then, if there is a > problem, the service will restore the latest backup (often without the > user knowing it.  If that backup happened at a time in the middle of > the 80 files being updated, then corruption will occur. > > I would strongly suggest that you (with TMG closed) immediately copy > that folder to your hard drive and use that as your main and use the > hard drive as the main storage for your TMG data.  After resetting TMG > to use the hard drive, you should run the TMG File=>Maintenance > routives to check that everything seems OK. THere still could be some > minor corruption  that you might find in time, but at least it will > not get worse. > > As for backing up on-line, do the backups to the hard drive TMG folder > and copy the SQZ file to OneDrive.  This is very safe operation in > that you have the copy on One Drive for safety _and_ the copy on the > hard drive (with the convenience of not having to download it from One > Drive to do a Restore). > > Lee > > > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/tmg@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY  Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal > RootsWeb community -- -- Rowan Sylvester-Bradley 22 Fox Green Great Bradley Newmarket Suffolk CB8 9NR United Kingdom Phone: 01440 783157 Email: rowan@sylvesterbradley.org

At 2/16/2019 04:56, Jacquie Seemann Charak wrote >Mine IS currently stored on OneDrive. How would I check whether it has been >corrupted? And is there no way of stopping it? I definitely prefer backing >up online than relying on a hard drive or disk. The problem with using any Cloud service as the main storage for TMG is that TMG has some 80 files that need to be updated at variouse times. While it may seem that the 80 files are updated all at once, in reality, it is one at a time and this takes time. Cloud services are fairly safew most of the time because they are constantly being backed up by the owning service. Then, if there is a problem, the service will restore the latest backup (often without the user knowing it. If that backup happened at a time in the middle of the 80 files being updated, then corruption will occur. I would strongly suggest that you (with TMG closed) immediately copy that folder to your hard drive and use that as your main and use the hard drive as the main storage for your TMG data. After resetting TMG to use the hard drive, you should run the TMG File=>Maintenance routives to check that everything seems OK. THere still could be some minor corruption that you might find in time, but at least it will not get worse. As for backing up on-line, do the backups to the hard drive TMG folder and copy the SQZ file to OneDrive. This is very safe operation in that you have the copy on One Drive for safety _and_ the copy on the hard drive (with the convenience of not having to download it from One Drive to do a Restore). Lee

On 2/16/19 4:56 AM, Jacquie Seemann Charak wrote: > Mine IS currently stored on OneDrive. How would I check whether it has been > corrupted? And is there no way of stopping it? I definitely prefer backing > up online than relying on a hard drive or disk. > > Jacquie That is part of the problem, it is very hard to detect that there is corruption until it starts to grow and starts to show obvious problems.  Some of the techies with the right tools might be able to scour through the database to look for the various inconsistencies that this can cause. What I do is run TMG with a batch file, which after I close TMG it copies my project directory into the cloud folder, since TMG is closed at that point things are safe (I also generate a backup file that also gets copied to the cloud). It may be that OneDrive has some tricks that prevents the corruption, or it waits long enough that the chance of corruption is very small, but it would be very hard to be sure. The base issue is that the dBase format (which Foxpro uses, which is what TMG uses) uses a lot of files to represent the database, and there is a special type of file locking defined for such a format, and TMG assumes that everything accessing the database will be using that, but the typical utility, like a cloud backup system, doesn't normally understand. This can cause TMG to get access errors it wasn't prepared for, and this can leave parts of records not updated, and thus create inconsistencies that become corruption. -- Richard Damon

I solved my pedigree chart problem.  I created a focus group from one of the children of the third marriage then added his ancestors. From that I created a new project.  I was then able to create a Pedigree Chart for his father and his third wife.  Now I am not getting a pedigree chart for my unlce and his fourth wife. I will tell my new-found cousin to use this as a "map" to her ancestors.  I know she understands the charts of DNA testers use on Ancestry, which is a pedigree chart. Thanks to Sally for introducing/reminding me about the compressed pedigree chart. Nancy

Mine IS currently stored on OneDrive. How would I check whether it has been corrupted? And is there no way of stopping it? I definitely prefer backing up online than relying on a hard drive or disk. Jacquie -----Original Message----- From: Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> Sent: Friday, 15 February 2019 10:53 PM To: tmg@rootsweb.com Subject: [TMG] Re: Storing database in the cloud On 2/15/19 6:36 AM, Alexander Payne wrote: > I was wondering if it is possible to store the TMG database on OneDrive so it can be used by either of my two different computers. > Or on a NAS unit. > > Alexander Do NOT put the TMG database (or at least the copy you are using) in the OneDrive directory tree, or you will run into possible corruption issues. The issue comes if OneDrive (or whatever cloud sync utility) sees that TMG changed a file, and then opens it up to sync to the cloud, and then TMG trys to change it again. The OS will tell TMG the file is busy at the moment, but TMG isn't expecting it, and doesn't behave right. I believe a NAS unit should work, at least as long as the NAS file system supports the needed file locking primitives, which I thought were fairly common. This method will slow down access to the database. -- Richard Damon _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/tmg@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community