My "senior" brain just registered that your Subject line implies you are still using TMG version 7.4. Thus in your case I suggest you use the variable [RE:Child] which does exist in that older version. Since your Divorce tag only has a year, the output will be in years regardless of the level of detail of the date in the child's Birth tag. Hope this is (more) helpful, Michael

Nick Shelley's Divorce sentence template for the role "Child": > His birth date is exact and the divorce references the year. > What am I doing wrong? John Cardinal gave a lot of very good advice, which I recommend that you follow. His issue about not using a Role variable, but using a Subject variable instead, relates to the changes in how TMG handles role variables that were introduced in Version 9. For details of these changes see Terry Reigel's web page: http://tmg.reigelridge.com/role-changes.htm John also noted: > TMG won't return a value for [RA:role] when > one of the dates is a year only. That is why you get no output. In general I recommend using the 'AE' versions of the age variables as you will almost always get a date. In your case I would use the variable [SE] introduced in Version 9. The following is from the Age variable topic in the "Tag Sentence Details" chapter of my on-line book: http://www.mjh-nm.net/TAGSENTS.HTML#AgeVariables "The [AE] variable will produce an exact age (years, months, and days) if both dates are complete. It will still produce output even if only approximate dates are known, but it will be only years. The TMG documentation calls [AE] an exact age variable, I choose to call it an exact or estimated age variable. There is no variable to always output just years regardless of the completeness of the dates." Hope this helps explain what you are seeing, Michael

I added a person who is a "1st cousin 3 times removed". Her husband shows "husband of 1st cousin 3 times removed" as expected. When I added their child I get "No relationship". I can't see anything that would indicate something being incorrect and don't understand why this person would show "no relationship". Thanks in advance. Ray

Thanks to everyone who responded for the excellent suggestions. I now have a bunch of ideas to work with. My main use of census tags is to indicate where the principals and their children were living when the census was taken. I don't keep track of all the information that is included in a census. Joe LaPointe

My method illustrates the different ways problems can be solved in TMG. Like Lee, I have years of tax data with slightly varying data for each year. Because I like to keep my data in date order, I created two new Tax Tags which handle the problem. Usually, I have, say, 3 to 5 years of tax list data bunched before any other Tag appears. In this case I use the the first new Tax Tag which ends with a semi-colon. I use the third new Tax Tag in the concatenation mode . . . (+) which adds the data. This has worked very well for me. I suspect something similar could conceivably be used for census data. With respect to census data, when I have the problem, I usually edit the sentence structure. Regards, Toby

On 6/10/2015 10:05 AM, Joe LaPointe via wrote: > This does not read very well. I have this problem with 12 couples. Any > suggestions as to how I can fix this problem so the narrative is not so > repetitive? I would like an approach that does not require editing > custom census tags for each of the 12 couples. > Thanks for any suggestions. > Joe LaPointe > Joe, I use the tag group system suggested by Michael Hannah and find it is very easy to set up, automatically builds a table and looks good in Second Site. You can see an example page with 7 census records here: http://goo.gl/8bkbK1 Jim

Joe LaPointe noted: > The problem I'm running into is when a couple has > the same sentence repeated for 2 - 3 census... > Any suggestions as to how I can fix this problem so > the narrative is not so repetitive? I would like an approach > that does not require editing custom census tags > for each of the 12 couples. Hi Joe, Others have made various good suggestions. My general approach to try to avoid repetition is to have the global sentences of a tag type include several split memo parts scattered throughout the sentence template. With different information inserted in different parts of the sentence it can "help" provide some variety. But to truly avoid repetition I think you will have to edit or create custom tags or roles. As others have mentioned, I also do not include the census tags in the main area of the narrative. My preferred output is using Second Site, and I include the census tags in a separate SS "tag group" as a separate labeled section after the main narrative. If you are interested in a detailed explanation of my custom way to enter census sources and census tags, see the "Census Source Data Entry" chapter of my on-line book. That chapter has a separate section covering my custom Census Tags here: http://www.mjh-nm.net/CENSUS.HTML#CensusTags And the sentence templates for all the roles are here: http://www.mjh-nm.net/CENSUS.HTML#MyCensusSentences Hope this gives you ideas, Michael

At 6/10/2015 11:05, you wrote: >In the 1900 - 1940 U.S> Census, I have the following sentence for the >principles: > >[P] <|and [PO]> appeared on the 19xx Federal Census living in < [L3],>< >[L7]><, [M1]>. > >The problem I'm running into is when a couple has the same sentence >repeated for 2 - 3 census without any other events between the census >years. As an example, I get the following: > >[P] <|and [PO]> appeared on the 1910 Federal Census living in < [L3],>< >[L7]><, [M1]>. >[P] <|and [PO]> appeared on the 1920 Federal Census living in < [L3],>< >[L7]><, [M1]>. >[P] <|and [PO]> appeared on the 1930 Federal Census living in < [L3],>< >[L7]><, [M1]>. > >This does not read very well. I have this problem with 12 couples. Any >suggestions as to how I can fix this problem so the narrative is not so >repetitive? I would like an approach that does not require editing >custom census tags for each of the 12 couples. The same thing can essentially occur for other censuses and for other Tag. My three great grandfather (3GGF) is noted on tax lists every year for about 50 years. The tax assesment differs by year so that he was charged for different land and possessions (horses, cattle, watches, etc.) What I did was to create multiple Roles each with their own Sentence. Then I would assign the appropriate Role depending on the Sentence needed. Some Roles provided for multiple years with greatly different holdings but in the same location (subsequent Sentences did not repeat the location). Some Roles provided for multiple years with the same holdings in the same location. Sometimes the first Role in a "group" printed most of the Sentence and subsequent Roles only noted the added Dates. Some give the dates and the last Sentence in a group gives the major information and final date. An example of this last might be: Role A - [P] <|and [PO]> appeared on the < [L]> tax list <for [D]>,[:NP:] Role B - [+] and <for [D]> <[M]> Role C - [+] <for [D]>,[:NP:] with the result being something like: He appeared on the Montgomery County, Kentucky, tax lists for 2000, for 2001, and for 2002 with four horses and two town lots. If you only had two years, use just Roles A & B. For each added year, use Role C for the "middle" year(s). In assigning Roles to a person, I tried to be consistent in how the Sentences read to make it easy for a reader.to follow the discussion. The combinations of Roles Sentence for my 3GGF reduced the redundancy to a minimum and shortened the narrative by about eight lines. Lee Hoffman/KY

On 6/10/2015 11:05 AM, Joe LaPointe via wrote: > In the 1900 - 1940 U.S> Census, I have the following sentence for the > principles: > > [P] <|and [PO]> appeared on the 19xx Federal Census living in < [L3],>< > [L7]><, [M1]>. > > The problem I'm running into is when a couple has the same sentence > repeated for 2 - 3 census without any other events between the census > years. As an example, I get the following: > > [P] <|and [PO]> appeared on the 1910 Federal Census living in < [L3],>< > [L7]><, [M1]>. > [P] <|and [PO]> appeared on the 1920 Federal Census living in < [L3],>< > [L7]><, [M1]>. > [P] <|and [PO]> appeared on the 1930 Federal Census living in < [L3],>< > [L7]><, [M1]>. > > This does not read very well. I have this problem with 12 couples. Any > suggestions as to how I can fix this problem so the narrative is not so > repetitive? I would like an approach that does not require editing > custom census tags for each of the 12 couples. > Joe, I know you said you don't want to edit the Sentences locally, but that's exactly what I do. I've found I prefer to use first names mainly, but part of that depends on how you arrange the output of the census tags into paragraphs, and what other tags, if any, separate them. I generally make each census tag a separate paragraph for the principals. That's because I include the names of other members of the household, and information about property owned or family members in nearby households, in the Principals' output so the output of the census tag is often several sentences long. I use the [PF] variable for the current principal. For the first census in which the spouse appears with the current principal, I use [P], and in later censuses I use [PF]. However, if the family moved to a new city since the prior census I generally add a Moved tag, as a new paragraph. If the census tag follows that I do not make it a new paragraph, and change the Sentence to "They appeared..." One way to improve the repetitive output might be to change the sentences to "[P] <and [POF]> appeared..." or "[PF]<and [POF] appeared..." The former would result in the output starting with "He" if it is not a new paragraph, which may well be confusing depending on what precedes this tag. Terry Reigel

You could create roles whose purpose is simply to have a different sentence. For instance, an "Also" sentence that you could use second. On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 11:05 AM, Joe LaPointe via <tmg@rootsweb.com> wrote: > In the 1900 - 1940 U.S> Census, I have the following sentence for the > principles: > > [P] <|and [PO]> appeared on the 19xx Federal Census living in < [L3],>< > [L7]><, [M1]>. > > The problem I'm running into is when a couple has the same sentence > repeated for 2 - 3 census without any other events between the census > years. As an example, I get the following: > > [P] <|and [PO]> appeared on the 1910 Federal Census living in < [L3],>< > [L7]><, [M1]>. > [P] <|and [PO]> appeared on the 1920 Federal Census living in < [L3],>< > [L7]><, [M1]>. > [P] <|and [PO]> appeared on the 1930 Federal Census living in < [L3],>< > [L7]><, [M1]>. > > This does not read very well. I have this problem with 12 couples. Any > suggestions as to how I can fix this problem so the narrative is not so > repetitive? I would like an approach that does not require editing > custom census tags for each of the 12 couples. > > Thanks for any suggestions. > > Joe LaPointe > The TMG archive is found here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ > Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TMG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > -- Karla Huebner calypsospots AT gmail.com

I prefer to not print many of my census tags, but I want to record the data anyway for research purposes. So the default census tag is not selected to be output in my journal report options. I created an identical Census-Print tag which is selected to be output, so whether or not a particular census is output can be controlled by choosing Census or Census-Print on the tag's drop-down list in the person view. For the Census-Print tag I do what Karla has suggested, provide roles to vary the output wording. For example: Role Princ-fullname: [P+] <|and [PO]> appeared on the census <of [D]> <[L]> <[M]> Role YearOnly: [P] <|and [PO]> appeared on the census <of [Y]> <[L]> <[M]> Role YearOnly-firstname: [PF] <|and [POF]> appeared on the census <of [Y]> <[L]> <[M]> Role TheyLived: They lived <in [Y]> <[L]> <[M]> Role Concat: [+] < [M1]> <, [M2]> <. [M3]> The Concat role is used for a later year after a tag using one of the other roles. It typically would include [L] and [D] or [Y] in one of the memo segments. So by choosing different roles for different years and putting a bit of text into the Memo I can get output such as: "John Doe appeared on the census of 1910 in Chicago with wife Mary. They lived in 1920 in Evanston, Illinois and in 1930 were back in Chicago where John was employed as a butcher." -----Original Message----- From: tmg-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:tmg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Joe LaPointe via Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2015 8:06 AM To: tmg@rootsweb.com Subject: [TMG] Repetitive Census Sentences In the 1900 - 1940 U.S> Census, I have the following sentence for the principles: [P] <|and [PO]> appeared on the 19xx Federal Census living in < [L3],>< [L7]><, [M1]>. The problem I'm running into is when a couple has the same sentence repeated for 2 - 3 census without any other events between the census years. As an example, I get the following: [P] <|and [PO]> appeared on the 1910 Federal Census living in < [L3],>< [L7]><, [M1]>. [P] <|and [PO]> appeared on the 1920 Federal Census living in < [L3],>< [L7]><, [M1]>. [P] <|and [PO]> appeared on the 1930 Federal Census living in < [L3],>< [L7]><, [M1]>. This does not read very well. I have this problem with 12 couples. Any suggestions as to how I can fix this problem so the narrative is not so repetitive? I would like an approach that does not require editing custom census tags for each of the 12 couples.

In the 1900 - 1940 U.S> Census, I have the following sentence for the principles: [P] <|and [PO]> appeared on the 19xx Federal Census living in < [L3],>< [L7]><, [M1]>. The problem I'm running into is when a couple has the same sentence repeated for 2 - 3 census without any other events between the census years. As an example, I get the following: [P] <|and [PO]> appeared on the 1910 Federal Census living in < [L3],>< [L7]><, [M1]>. [P] <|and [PO]> appeared on the 1920 Federal Census living in < [L3],>< [L7]><, [M1]>. [P] <|and [PO]> appeared on the 1930 Federal Census living in < [L3],>< [L7]><, [M1]>. This does not read very well. I have this problem with 12 couples. Any suggestions as to how I can fix this problem so the narrative is not so repetitive? I would like an approach that does not require editing custom census tags for each of the 12 couples. Thanks for any suggestions. Joe LaPointe

The Roots Users Group "RUG" of Arlington, Virginia (the Washington, DC area TMG Users group) will meet Saturday, June 13, 2015, from 9:00 am to 11:00 am (Eastern Daylight Time). 09:00-10:00 Right-Clicking in The Master Genealogist Presenter: Janis Rodriguez 10:00-10:30 Break 10:30-11:00 More Right-Clicking All are invited to attend the meeting in person or join us online via Join.Me. Note: Our online meeting is open to everyone, not just members! JOIN.ME INSTRUCTIONS: Download the Join.Me App from the Join.Me website, https://www.join.me/apps by clicking the applicable mobile or desktop app. [NOTE: You do not need to pay & download the software or download the free trial to join the meeting! Just download one of the apps.] There is a Q&A page on the Join.Me site which can help if you are having difficulties. http://help.join.me/knowledgebase?_ga=1.36103592.986824069.1386516973. MEETING LOCATION: We still meet 'in person' in Northern Virginia near Tyson's Corner, about 2 miles inside the beltway (I-495) on Route 123. Members and guests are welcome! We meet in the newer building on the lower level. Trinity United Methodist Church (UMC) 1205 Dolley Madison Boulevard McLean, VA 22101-3019 For directions see our website: http://www.rootsusers.org/TrinityUMCLocation.html. Regards, Jan Janis Parkison Rodriguez VP Arlington RUG

The next meeting of the Melbourne based TMG User Group will be held this coming Sunday: Venue/Time: Sunday June 14 11:00am Lobby Area <http://vicgum.asn.au/meetings.html#Venues>Mount Waverly Masonic Hall 318 Stephensons Road, Mt Waverley Parking at rear and end of lane on the left <https://www.google.com.au/maps/place/Masonic+Centre/@-37.87888,145.128489,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m2!3m1!1s0x6ad640056dee814f:0xf345e8e4f6006074>Map Here. Please pass this invitation on to all known TMG (and potential TMG) users. Membership of VicGUM is not required; this is an open TMG meeting. Topic: Nothing specific has been arranged. There will be general discussion and Q&A so please bring your issues/questions along. Cost: No cost. After the meeting: In common with this new User Group meeting time; VicGUM will have their monthly meeting – <http://vicgum.asn.au/>view details here. As always this is a meeting relevant to all Genealogists and you are encouraged to attend. This is free to Members of VicGUM and $5.00 for guests. Graeme Simpson

If installing a CD with TMG 9.05 on it and you have TMG 9.03 installed on the computer, do you select Modify or Repair? Marilyn Lane

What TMG reports ONLY print to PDF format? I can't think of any, and Relationship charts print to any format you want them to (although they do get screwed up in Word format, so you need to use RTF). However, I've tried Wade's printing to 'MS print to PDF' on Win10 and get a 'conversion error 200' message (whether TMG is run as Admin or not). Don F -----Original Message----- From: tmg-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:tmg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Wade Oram via Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2015 6:58 AM To: tmg@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TMG] TMG 9.05 and Windows 10 - update On 08/06/2015 19:54, Joan Lince wrote: > What about the TMG reports (such as the Relationship Chart) that can > print to no other format than PDF? Will Microsoft Print to PDF be able > to take the output from that report and convert it to PDF? I fear not. Generating the report to directly to PDF will not work. However, Sending the report to 'Printer' and selecting the 'Microsoft Print to PDF' printer does work and appears to produce very similar if not identical results. -- Wade Oram The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TMG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Nice one Wade! Running as Admin worked for me too - although it seems like TMG doesn't 'let go' of the file and allow it to be opened without being shut down. For the record, I'm running a native 32-bit Win10 setup (on an old laptop). Don F -----Original Message----- From: tmg-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:tmg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Wade Oram via Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2015 6:48 AM To: tmg@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TMG] TMG 9.05 and Windows 10 - update On 08/06/2015 05:52, Don Ferguson via wrote: > > Having said that, there is one issue I've struck, namely PDF printing > would seem to be a complete no-no. I know some people have never got > PDF print working on Windows 7 or previous, but personally I've never had any issues. > The 'normal' fixes recommended for this problem do not work under > Win10 - I've tried them all, I think. > I have been experimenting with the PDF printer on Windows 10 (64 bit) and I have found that, whilst it does not appear to work when running as a normal user, the Wholly Genes PDF printer works fine when TMG is run as an Administrator. Note: I am running Windows 10 (64 bit) build 10130 on a virtual machine running on VMWare player installed on a Windows 7(64 bit) host machine. -- Wade Oram The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TMG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

I'm happy to be corrected about TMG and PDF. Joan Lince -----Original Message----- From: tmg-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:tmg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Don Ferguson via Sent: Monday, June 08, 2015 9:39 PM To: 'Wade Oram'; tmg@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TMG] TMG 9.05 and Windows 10 - update What TMG reports ONLY print to PDF format? I can't think of any, and Relationship charts print to any format you want them to (although they do get screwed up in Word format, so you need to use RTF). However, I've tried Wade's printing to 'MS print to PDF' on Win10 and get a 'conversion error 200' message (whether TMG is run as Admin or not). Don F -----Original Message----- From: tmg-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:tmg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Wade Oram via Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2015 6:58 AM To: tmg@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TMG] TMG 9.05 and Windows 10 - update On 08/06/2015 19:54, Joan Lince wrote: > What about the TMG reports (such as the Relationship Chart) that can > print to no other format than PDF? Will Microsoft Print to PDF be able > to take the output from that report and convert it to PDF? I fear not. Generating the report to directly to PDF will not work. However, Sending the report to 'Printer' and selecting the 'Microsoft Print to PDF' printer does work and appears to produce very similar if not identical results. -- Wade Oram The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TMG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TMG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

At 6/8/2015 21:39, you wrote: >What TMG reports ONLY print to PDF format? Most reports may be generated to most output file types. Only the box-type reports are limited to Visual ChartForm (VC2) formatted files and to JPG or BMP format image files. There may also be some additional restrictions depending on the Output Types which are not selected by the user in Preferences=>Program Options. But, again, these limits are user-selected and not program limited. Lee

On 08/06/2015 19:54, Joan Lince wrote: > What about the TMG reports (such as the Relationship Chart) that can print > to no other format than PDF? Will Microsoft Print to PDF be able to take the > output from that report and convert it to PDF? I fear not. Generating the report to directly to PDF will not work. However, Sending the report to 'Printer' and selecting the 'Microsoft Print to PDF' printer does work and appears to produce very similar if not identical results. -- Wade Oram