I would enter both lineages and mark both sets of parents as non-primary - that way I had both possible lines entered and available for research/review. I use custom research notes (non-printing) and research conclusions (printing) tags to input my therories and thoughts about the competing lineage and I specifically note in the research conclusions tag that parentage is NOT determined but may be [parents A] or [parents B] On 6/15/2015 10:54 AM, Barbara B Reitt via wrote: > I have a ggg-grandfather for whom I have found competing ancestries in the > genealogical literature. One line is from an older book on the family in > print for many years, and the other is from articles on the same man > published in more recent journals like The Virginia Genealogist and The > American Genealogist. I have found discussions online of the disagreement > that pretty clearly indicate that until someone does some DNA testing and > publishes the results, there will be no clear answer as to which lineage is > correct. I'm not counting on living long enough to find out what the answer > might eventually be. > > > > I already have the older lineage entered in TMG for this man and am trying > to figure out a way to enter the competing lineage so that it's clear that > the basic question-just who were the ancestors of this guy, line A or line > B?-is clear to someone else looking at my database. I don't want to end up > with a project that seems to claim that one or the other is true, when in > fact I don't know which one to prefer. > > > > I'd welcome suggestions from anyone who has confronted a similar problem. > > > > Barbara > > The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ > Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TMG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have a ggg-grandfather for whom I have found competing ancestries in the genealogical literature. One line is from an older book on the family in print for many years, and the other is from articles on the same man published in more recent journals like The Virginia Genealogist and The American Genealogist. I have found discussions online of the disagreement that pretty clearly indicate that until someone does some DNA testing and publishes the results, there will be no clear answer as to which lineage is correct. I'm not counting on living long enough to find out what the answer might eventually be. I already have the older lineage entered in TMG for this man and am trying to figure out a way to enter the competing lineage so that it's clear that the basic question-just who were the ancestors of this guy, line A or line B?-is clear to someone else looking at my database. I don't want to end up with a project that seems to claim that one or the other is true, when in fact I don't know which one to prefer. I'd welcome suggestions from anyone who has confronted a similar problem. Barbara

Barbara B Reitt asked: How best to enter two competing ancestries for one person? Well, Barbara, "Best" is a matter of personal choice. <grin> Others have made several good suggestions. "My" method is to enter a "duplicate" person. One person is linked to one set of parents and has only the tags and citations which indicate one set of ancestors. The other person is linked to the other parents and has the tags and citations indicating those other ancestors. Then I have a custom tag which I have named "Duplicate" with P1 as one "person" and P2 the "duplicate". Similar to what others have suggested, this tag type is output as a "research" type of tag, and in Second Site it is output in a separate "Research" tag group. As others have mentioned, defining separate custom tag types for separate purposes allows considerably more control over both their output, and for searching. Since in your case there is no clear indication of which is correct, this method of separating the two possibilities seems the most appropriate. I prefer it precisely because I can separately link a given piece of evidence to the appropriate opposing theory/person. In some cases I even choose to not connect either as a Primary parent of the children, but instead connect both as "Candidate" parents for these children. While normally I do not have Witnesses to a "Duplicate" tag, this one tag could be locally modified to add the children as witnesses with appropriate Witness sentences and memos. Individual Witness memos to this tag could be useful if there is some evidence that a particular child is more likely to descend from one or the other set of ancestors. More details of "My Way" to deal with this common situation are in my on-line book. My custom "Duplicate" tag type is described here: http://www.mjh-nm.net/TAGCUSTM.HTML#DuplicateTag with its roles and sentence templates here: http://www.mjh-nm.net/SENTENCE.HTML#DuplicateSentences Hope this gives you ideas, Michael

Chart I tried shrank from 9 * 5m pages to 6, just by changing to US. No big gaps. Thanks, Robin. Rick Van Dusen On 6/15/2015 1:11 AM, robin lamacraft wrote: > Hi Rick, > > OK - you are using the UK marriage (double line) parent link option. > > Switch to the US marriage link style. Many of these problems will go away. > > Robin

>From this person forward in time there is little dispute, right? It's the ancestors that are being argued over? I do have the same problem in my files, a couple times. Here is what I have done First I enter the newly discovered-as-a-result-of-reading-something-authoritative (like T.A.G.) lineage for the person in question. and include an record for the person in question a second time (as if 'twere a different person). Finally I write up an Anecdote Tag, discussing all the arguments pro and con, and assign the two versions of the troublesome person as P1 and P2 so that the anecdote will follow both. I date the Anecdote Tag to be just before the birthdate so it will list first. When browsing my project, I will spot the tag right away and be reminded of the controversy. By clicking on the other person attached to the tag I can be taken immediately to the alternate lineage. When printing out reports, the tag serves to alert that there is a separate report I might wish to also print out. Karen Willard Computer Archivist for Willard Family Association One-Name Study: Willard (Williard, Willyard) On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 7:54 AM, Barbara B Reitt via <tmg@rootsweb.com> wrote: > I have a ggg-grandfather for whom I have found competing ancestries in the > genealogical literature. One line is from an older book on the family in > print for many years, and the other is from articles on the same man > published in more recent journals like The Virginia Genealogist and The > American Genealogist. I have found discussions online of the disagreement > that pretty clearly indicate that until someone does some DNA testing and > publishes the results, there will be no clear answer as to which lineage is > correct. I'm not counting on living long enough to find out what the answer > might eventually be. > > > > I already have the older lineage entered in TMG for this man and am trying > to figure out a way to enter the competing lineage so that it's clear that > the basic question-just who were the ancestors of this guy, line A or line > B?-is clear to someone else looking at my database. I don't want to end up > with a project that seems to claim that one or the other is true, when in > fact I don't know which one to prefer. > > > > I'd welcome suggestions from anyone who has confronted a similar problem. > > > > Barbara > > The TMG archive is found here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ > Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TMG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Terry, thanks for your reply. I could have changed the file name -- I don't remember. But I'm sure I haven't ever set the file locations to a non-standard location. I've never used a data-paths.txt file to set the locations or to do anything else. Is there something else that could have caused the problem? Joan -----Original Message----- From: tmg-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:tmg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Terry Reigel via Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2015 11:27 PM To: tmg@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TMG] reinstalling TMG 9.05 On 6/14/2015 11:12 PM, Joan Lince via wrote: > Last week, when dealing with a problem generating PDF reports with TMG > (problem now solved), I uninstalled and reinstalled TMG 9.05, using a > setup file in My Documents/TMG9 folder, but apparently I used a wrong > or damaged file - because the program I have installed is incomplete. > I can run it, and work with my data, and the About TMG screen says I > have v 9.05, but so far I've noticed a few things that have not worked > normally: 1) the Welcome screen always has Last greyed out, so I > always have to select my project. 2) Nothing happens when I click on > Help, or Help Contents in the Help menu. F1 doesn't do anything > either. 3) The first time I opened my project after reinstalling, the > person who was displayed was someone I last edited in July 2014 - > some time before version 9.05. Now that I have restored my latest > backup it opens to the person I last edited. 4) When I first installed it, I was surprised that it didn't ask for my unlock key. > > The file I used is tmg9setup-905.exe, dated 12/3/2014, 47,651 KB. > Should I be using a different file from the TMG9 folder? Joan, That is the correct date and size, but the name is not the original file name, so apparently you have changed the file name. The fact that the installed program shows 9.05 also shows it is the correct installer. The fact that it didn't ask for your unlock key is normal - it's already entered in your system. It sounds like you have previously set the file locations to a non-standard location, and that's not being used by your new installation. Did you use a data_paths.txt file to set the paths? Terry Reigel The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TMG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On 6/14/2015 11:12 PM, Joan Lince via wrote: > Last week, when dealing with a problem generating PDF reports with TMG > (problem now solved), I uninstalled and reinstalled TMG 9.05, using a setup > file in My Documents/TMG9 folder, but apparently I used a wrong or damaged > file - because the program I have installed is incomplete. I can run it, and > work with my data, and the About TMG screen says I have v 9.05, but so far > I've noticed a few things that have not worked normally: 1) the Welcome > screen always has Last greyed out, so I always have to select my project. 2) > Nothing happens when I click on Help, or Help Contents in the Help menu. F1 > doesn't do anything either. 3) The first time I opened my project after > reinstalling, the person who was displayed was someone I last edited in > July 2014 - some time before version 9.05. Now that I have restored my > latest backup it opens to the person I last edited. 4) When I first > installed it, I was surprised that it didn't ask for my unlock key. > > The file I used is tmg9setup-905.exe, dated 12/3/2014, 47,651 KB. Should I > be using a different file from the TMG9 folder? Joan, That is the correct date and size, but the name is not the original file name, so apparently you have changed the file name. The fact that the installed program shows 9.05 also shows it is the correct installer. The fact that it didn't ask for your unlock key is normal - it's already entered in your system. It sounds like you have previously set the file locations to a non-standard location, and that's not being used by your new installation. Did you use a data_paths.txt file to set the paths? Terry Reigel

I need help identifying the correct latest TMG 9.05 setup file or files, because I have done something wrong with the installation on my desktop. (My laptop is fine - v 9.05 was installed when it became available and I haven't done anything to mess it up.) I do have a license and an unlock key. Here's what happened: Last week, when dealing with a problem generating PDF reports with TMG (problem now solved), I uninstalled and reinstalled TMG 9.05, using a setup file in My Documents/TMG9 folder, but apparently I used a wrong or damaged file - because the program I have installed is incomplete. I can run it, and work with my data, and the About TMG screen says I have v 9.05, but so far I've noticed a few things that have not worked normally: 1) the Welcome screen always has Last greyed out, so I always have to select my project. 2) Nothing happens when I click on Help, or Help Contents in the Help menu. F1 doesn't do anything either. 3) The first time I opened my project after reinstalling, the person who was displayed was someone I last edited in July 2014 - some time before version 9.05. Now that I have restored my latest backup it opens to the person I last edited. 4) When I first installed it, I was surprised that it didn't ask for my unlock key. The file I used is tmg9setup-905.exe, dated 12/3/2014, 47,651 KB. Should I be using a different file from the TMG9 folder? I'll really appreciate some guidance. Joan Lince

Robin, I'm not finding any unknown people. (I believe all unknowns are entered as person with given and/or surnames of "(--?--)".) The spaces are seemingly random, appear to be making it so that the parents are centered over the children or some such. In one case, there is one person some 10m to the right of the nearest other people, and those other people are several meters farther right than they need to be. I was hoping there might be an alternative to manually editing, which is proving both a drudge and going to require that I learn more about moving boxes and connecting lines. Thanks, Robin and Virginia. Unfortunately, I'm not going to get this fixed for this reunion. Too much "life happening" right now. Rick Van Dusen On 6/12/2015 2:19 PM, robin lamacraft wrote: > Hi Rick, > > Are you talking about occasional large gaps? > Are these associated with "unknown person" boxes being placed an excess > distance to the right? > If so, identify the associated descendant and and deliberately add a new > person, name "unknown person" for each case. > [The VCF layout algorithm acts differently for a known ID person > compared to one that it has create itself.] > Now generate the chart again. > > If the chart is very wide and shallow look at the technique I described > on page 243 of "Getting the Most Out of The Master Genealogist". This > involves some post-generation editing. Typically this technique can > reduce the width down to 35-50% of the original generated with by > increasing the depth of the chart. > > Robin > > On 12/06/2015 8:56 PM, Rick Van Dusen via wrote: >> I've printed Descendant Box Charts for my family, but find they come out >> way too wide. Is there a way of: >> >> 1. Causing VCF to reduce the horizontal distances between boxes (in one >> case I have one person hanging 10m out from the next "outlier"), >> >> and/or >> >> 2. Reducing the overall size of the chart ("zoom", but actually changing >> the print size)? >> >> >> Rick Van Dusen >> The TMG archive is found here: >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ >> Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: >> http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> TMG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

After a five years absence from the genealogical research, I'm back and I've found bad news, TMG no longer exists. My last version was 7. something. I've found version 9 and I've downloaded it, restored my last bacukp and everything went fine. But how can I buy the license, or serial for this version? Please advice me. Thanks a lot in advance, Salvador Romero.

On 6/14/2015 1:55 PM, Salvador Romero via wrote: > After a five years absence from the genealogical research, I'm back and I've found bad news, TMG no longer exists. My last version was 7. something. I've found version 9 and I've downloaded it, restored my last bacukp and everything went fine. But how can I buy the license, or serial for this version? Please advice me. Thanks a lot in advance, Salvador, Last I heardHarry Goegebeur, a Dutch dealer and beta tester still had some licenses left. You can reach him at Harry.Goegebeur@genea.be Terry Reigel

On 6/13/2015 5:03 PM, Kay Schmidt via wrote: > In trying to revise my marriage sentence, I'm getting some unexpected > results. My original sentence was: [P] married [PO] <[PARO]> <[D]> <[L]><; > [M]>. For children of couples who are not direct ancestors or siblings of an > ancestor, I generally just list their children in the memo. So in the output > for that sentence below, the words within quotes were entered manually: > > She married John BLACK, son of James Black and Eleanor Jones, on 27 November > 1793; "children (b. KY; surname BLACK): James, Jane, and Eleanor." > > I recently realized that I shouldn't have to type all that in the memo every > time, so I created a new marriage sentence of: > > [P] married [PO] <[PARO]> <[D]> <[L]><; [M1]><; children (<[M3]; >surname > [SL]): [M2]> > Where M1 is any comment about the marriage, M2 is the list of children, and > M3 is place of birth or baptism. > > Now I'm seeing several problems. > 1. The surname variable is of the subject, which may be the wife. It needs > to be the name of the husband, but there's no surname variable for P1. Kay, In TMG 9, which I assume you are using since you are using he subject variables, there is indeed: [P1L] > 2. M3 needs to allow for either b. (born) or bp. (baptized) and a place > which may or may not be in one of the location fields. I couldn't figure out > how to do that with the available variables. For the born/baptism issue, either you will have to type it in the memo, or use two separate Memo segments - one for born and one for baptism, with a Sentence like: <: b. [M3]><: bp. [M4]> Since the place may or may not be the same as the marriage place, you cannot put the place variables in the sentence, so the place has to be described in the Memo. If it is not the same as in the marriage tag, just type it in. If it is, put the [L] or appropriate place part variables in the Memo segment. > 3. Also, the output inserts an unwanted space after the parenthesis and > before M3 like this: "children ( b. KY; surname JONES):" If the Sentence above is copied accurately, there are issues with the conditional brackets. They are not entered in pairs. I think you need: [P] married [PO] <[PARO]> <[D]> <[L]><; [M1]><; children ([M3]><; surname [P1F])><: [M2]> Terry Reigel

With version 9.0 (I believe), TMG added the option of saving (and loading) Add Person Templates. When the 'LOAD' button is clicked, a file dialog is displayed, set up to display, and open, *.TLX files in the folder where the project files are stored. When an existing template is selected, I get the following error message: ErrorMarker: File 'c:\users\jack\appdata\local\temp\tmg34736767\imp\newapt.dbf' does not exist. 77 FRMAPTSETUP2.CMDLOAD.CLICK. This is not the folder where the project files are stored. (Which is: 'F:\TMGv9\Projects\Lovelace\LovelaceFamilies\'). When the 'Save As' button is clicked, a file dialog is displayed, set up to display, and save, *.TLX files in the folder where the project files are stored. When a new file name is entered, I get the following error message: ErrorMarker: Cannot create file c:\users\jack\appdata\local\temp\tmg34736767\imp\newapt.dbf. 66 FRMAPTSETUP2.CMDSAVEAS.CLICK. The file 'c:\users\jack\appdata\local\temp\tmg34736767\imp\' does not exist. Creating the 'imp' folder under the file structure: 'c:\users\jack\appdata\local\temp\tmg34736767\' solves the problem. Existing templates may be loaded and new templates may be saved. -- Jack D. Lovelace

Thanks, Terry. That all makes sense so I'll give it a try. KayS -----Original Message----- From: tmg-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:tmg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Terry Reigel via Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 2:25 PM To: tmg@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TMG] Help with Marriage sentence On 6/13/2015 5:03 PM, Kay Schmidt via wrote: > In trying to revise my marriage sentence, I'm getting some unexpected > results. My original sentence was: [P] married [PO] <[PARO]> <[D]> > <[L]><; [M]>. For children of couples who are not direct ancestors or > siblings of an ancestor, I generally just list their children in the > memo. So in the output for that sentence below, the words within quotes were entered manually: > > She married John BLACK, son of James Black and Eleanor Jones, on 27 > November 1793; "children (b. KY; surname BLACK): James, Jane, and Eleanor." > > I recently realized that I shouldn't have to type all that in the memo > every time, so I created a new marriage sentence of: > > [P] married [PO] <[PARO]> <[D]> <[L]><; [M1]><; children (<[M3]; > >surname > [SL]): [M2]> > Where M1 is any comment about the marriage, M2 is the list of > children, and > M3 is place of birth or baptism. > > Now I'm seeing several problems. > 1. The surname variable is of the subject, which may be the wife. It > needs to be the name of the husband, but there's no surname variable for P1. Kay, In TMG 9, which I assume you are using since you are using he subject variables, there is indeed: [P1L] > 2. M3 needs to allow for either b. (born) or bp. (baptized) and a > place which may or may not be in one of the location fields. I > couldn't figure out how to do that with the available variables. For the born/baptism issue, either you will have to type it in the memo, or use two separate Memo segments - one for born and one for baptism, with a Sentence like: <: b. [M3]><: bp. [M4]> Since the place may or may not be the same as the marriage place, you cannot put the place variables in the sentence, so the place has to be described in the Memo. If it is not the same as in the marriage tag, just type it in. If it is, put the [L] or appropriate place part variables in the Memo segment. > 3. Also, the output inserts an unwanted space after the parenthesis > and before M3 like this: "children ( b. KY; surname JONES):" If the Sentence above is copied accurately, there are issues with the conditional brackets. They are not entered in pairs. I think you need: [P] married [PO] <[PARO]> <[D]> <[L]><; [M1]><; children ([M3]><; surname [P1F])><: [M2]> Terry Reigel The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TMG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In trying to revise my marriage sentence, I'm getting some unexpected results. My original sentence was: [P] married [PO] <[PARO]> <[D]> <[L]><; [M]>. For children of couples who are not direct ancestors or siblings of an ancestor, I generally just list their children in the memo. So in the output for that sentence below, the words within quotes were entered manually: She married John BLACK, son of James Black and Eleanor Jones, on 27 November 1793; "children (b. KY; surname BLACK): James, Jane, and Eleanor." I recently realized that I shouldn't have to type all that in the memo every time, so I created a new marriage sentence of: [P] married [PO] <[PARO]> <[D]> <[L]><; [M1]><; children (<[M3]; >surname [SL]): [M2]> Where M1 is any comment about the marriage, M2 is the list of children, and M3 is place of birth or baptism. Now I'm seeing several problems. 1. The surname variable is of the subject, which may be the wife. It needs to be the name of the husband, but there's no surname variable for P1. 2. M3 needs to allow for either b. (born) or bp. (baptized) and a place which may or may not be in one of the location fields. I couldn't figure out how to do that with the available variables. 3. Also, the output inserts an unwanted space after the parenthesis and before M3 like this: "children ( b. KY; surname JONES):" Any thoughts much appreciated, KayS

On 6/12/2015 9:53 PM, Robert Hartman via wrote: > Hi List > > I made a new TAG today and for some reason I have one sentence that will > only pick up the subject and then drop the remainder of the sentence. > TAG sentence > <, and [detail1] was the informant on the death certificate> > Out put of preview sentence. > , and Mrs. John Blizzard Robert, I was able to replicate the issue. However I see that it prints correctly in a report, so it seems to be an issue with the Preview only. I found that the Sentence worked correctly in the Preview as you add elements to the fields in the Tag Entry screen until you add the second segment of the Detail field. It appears there is a bug in the preview that fails to correctly deal with the pipes used to create the segments. Terry Reigel

Thank Terry I did not think about running reports to check if it would work. I work with several other error to correct them, and by the time I got to this error my thought process was gone. Thanks, and you have a good day. Robert On 6/13/2015 12:53 PM, Terry Reigel via wrote: > On 6/12/2015 9:53 PM, Robert Hartman via wrote: >> Hi List >> >> I made a new TAG today and for some reason I have one sentence that will >> only pick up the subject and then drop the remainder of the sentence. >> TAG sentence >> <, and [detail1] was the informant on the death certificate> >> Out put of preview sentence. >> , and Mrs. John Blizzard > Robert, > > I was able to replicate the issue. However I see that it prints correctly in a report, so it seems to be an issue with the Preview only. > > I found that the Sentence worked correctly in the Preview as you add elements to the fields in the Tag Entry screen until you add the second segment of the Detail field. It appears there is a bug in the preview that fails to correctly deal with the pipes used to create the segments. > > Terry Reigel > > The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ > Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TMG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

That worked Terry. I didn’t realize that was part of the filter list, thought I had to do it on the first report screen. Thanks Robin > On Jun 13, 2015, at 11:09 AM, Terry Reigel via <tmg@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > On 6/13/2015 10:30 AM, Robin Kaspar via wrote: >> I always have difficulty with my logic when designing TMG reports. >> >> I am working on one of my lines and I want to troubleshoot certain tags that don’t have a source, hearkening back to my early pre-TMG research days when I didn’t know better and also was working with software that didn’t allow much for source citations. >> >> How best to go about this? List of people? I can filter on Name-var, # of citations = 0. But I can’t filter on only the one line of descendants. > Robin, > > Won't adding an "AND" term for "Is and ancestor of" or "Is a descendant > of" do it? Or if you need to include spouses, etc, set up a Flag to > define the line and include that flag in your filter. > > Our, you could use the List of Names report with a term that uses a Flag > you set for the line. > > Terry Reigel > The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ > Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TMG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On 6/13/2015 10:30 AM, Robin Kaspar via wrote: > I always have difficulty with my logic when designing TMG reports. > > I am working on one of my lines and I want to troubleshoot certain tags that don’t have a source, hearkening back to my early pre-TMG research days when I didn’t know better and also was working with software that didn’t allow much for source citations. > > How best to go about this? List of people? I can filter on Name-var, # of citations = 0. But I can’t filter on only the one line of descendants. Robin, Won't adding an "AND" term for "Is and ancestor of" or "Is a descendant of" do it? Or if you need to include spouses, etc, set up a Flag to define the line and include that flag in your filter. Our, you could use the List of Names report with a term that uses a Flag you set for the line. Terry Reigel

I always have difficulty with my logic when designing TMG reports. I am working on one of my lines and I want to troubleshoot certain tags that don’t have a source, hearkening back to my early pre-TMG research days when I didn’t know better and also was working with software that didn’t allow much for source citations. How best to go about this? List of people? I can filter on Name-var, # of citations = 0. But I can’t filter on only the one line of descendants. Help! Robin in Short Pump