In (finally) migrating to v9, I've discovered that all my project names have been stripped of any capital letters.* Is there a setting for that somewhere? Rick Van Dusen ------------------------------------ * Such as, VanDusen was replaced with vandusen. This can make a difference because it means backups are also named with no caps, and I exchange sqz files through a Linux server, which sees VanDusen and vandusen as different filenames.
I have had no problems with Windows 10 and have been using it since the first beta was released last fall. I currently have it on 4 different computers including an old HP that came with Windows XP about 10 years ago. My website at http://mywoodfamily.us was built on a Windows 10 machine with TMG and SS. Walter -----Original Message----- From: tmg-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:tmg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Don Ferguson via Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 9:10 PM To: tmg@rootsweb.com; 'Chandler, David' <D.Chandler@ucc.ie> Subject: Re: [TMG] Testing TMG and SS with Windows 10 My Win 10 pre-release testing showed no issues, and in the case of TMG, better than Windows 7. The 2 improvement points are: 1. if you double-click on a VCF chart file in Win 7, VCF starts, but doesn't open the file you clicked on - in Win10 it does (as it should). 2. Win 10 has a Microsoft-defined PDF printer. If you're one of the people who never got the TMG PDF printer working, this provides an alternate method. Note that you may have to run TMG 'as an administrator' to be able to use this and if using the TMG PDF printer, you may also have to use the 'administrator' trick for it to continue to function. Don Ferguson -----Original Message----- From: tmg-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:tmg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of James Holcombe via Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 10:33 AM To: Chandler, David <D.Chandler@ucc.ie>; tmg@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TMG] Testing TMG and SS with Windows 10 Well, Windows 10 downloaded to my PC today; what is the latest on compatibility with TMG and SS? Should I accept and charge ahead? On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 2:50 PM, <Chandler@lists2.rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > If the every-other rule continues to hold, Windows 10 should be > good > ;-) > > No they skipped the good version 9 Lol > > David > > The TMG archive is found here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ > Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TMG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TMG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TMG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Thank You! > On Jul 30, 2015, at 7:07 AM, Dennis Lee Bieber via <tmg@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > At 01:00 PM 7/29/2015, Louise Rosett via wrote: >> Could someone copy and e-mail to me the >> following TMG file; cdintf~1.dll? Mine is >> corrupted and I canât print without it. Thank >> you. Louise The TMG archive is found here: >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ >> Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: >> http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html >> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe >> from the list, please send an email to >> TMG-request@rootsweb.com with the word >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > At the worst, you should just need to > re-run the TMG installer; it should reload any files that came with it. > -- > bieber.genealogy@earthlink.net Dennis Lee Bieber > HTTP://home.earthlink.net/~bieber.genealogy/ > > > The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ > Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TMG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
As one of those people...on one hand, I hope to have many more years of genealogy ahead of me (I'll only be 45 next month) but on the other hand, there's no guarantees. I've printed off narrative reports for specific lines in the past and distributed to family members - they aren't as up-to-date as my database but they are out there somewhere. I have a Second Site website for my lines - I don't have my husband's online yet. Websites may or may not endure - the Wayback Machine has archived several earlier versions on mine (latest being Dec 2014). Eventually I would like to produce a book or similar for at least some of lines or perhaps some articles - either way get them into print. Ultimately though - it'll be up to my children to preserve and continue the research. I involve them and encourage them currently in hopes that they'll want to when the time comes. > At 7/30/2015 06:26, pbalkcom wrote: >> In several recent posts, people, like Lee, have >> stated that they have upwards of 50,000 people >> in their database. It brings to mind the >> question - What will happen to all that work >> after I die? or better yet - What can I do now >> to preserve that information? Because our >> databases are not static and change on an almost >> daily basis, it’s not practical to start >> printing out 50,000 Individual Reports that you >> could give to an archive or library because what >> you print today would possibly be changed by >> tomorrow. One could write a book that might >> include a few thousand of those people in it but >> what happens to all the information you have >> gathered on all those other thousands of >> collateral people? I’d be interested in >> hearing of people’s plans for their TMG >> databases and also their Second Site websites after they are gone. >
My Win 10 pre-release testing showed no issues, and in the case of TMG, better than Windows 7. The 2 improvement points are: 1. if you double-click on a VCF chart file in Win 7, VCF starts, but doesn't open the file you clicked on - in Win10 it does (as it should). 2. Win 10 has a Microsoft-defined PDF printer. If you're one of the people who never got the TMG PDF printer working, this provides an alternate method. Note that you may have to run TMG 'as an administrator' to be able to use this and if using the TMG PDF printer, you may also have to use the 'administrator' trick for it to continue to function. Don Ferguson -----Original Message----- From: tmg-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:tmg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of James Holcombe via Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 10:33 AM To: Chandler, David <D.Chandler@ucc.ie>; tmg@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TMG] Testing TMG and SS with Windows 10 Well, Windows 10 downloaded to my PC today; what is the latest on compatibility with TMG and SS? Should I accept and charge ahead? On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 2:50 PM, <Chandler@lists2.rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > If the every-other rule continues to hold, Windows 10 should be good > ;-) > > No they skipped the good version 9 Lol > > David > > The TMG archive is found here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ > Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TMG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TMG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
At 7/30/2015 06:26, pbalkcom wrote: >In several recent posts, people, like Lee, have >stated that they have upwards of 50,000 people >in their database. It brings to mind the >question - What will happen to all that work >after I die? or better yet - What can I do now >to preserve that information? Because our >databases are not static and change on an almost >daily basis, itâs not practical to start >printing out 50,000 Individual Reports that you >could give to an archive or library because what >you print today would possibly be changed by >tomorrow. One could write a book that might >include a few thousand of those people in it but >what happens to all the information you have >gathered on all those other thousands of >collateral people? Iâd be interested in >hearing of peopleâs plans for their TMG >databases and also their Second Site websites after they are gone. Any user having a large amount of genealogical data faces the same question as to what should be done with it in the event of their death. In a some cases, the user will have been in close association with another researcher(s) who will know and be able to advise/take charge of the data. Others will have children/heirs with the same knowledge/capability. Beyond this, the data in the computer will likely be lost. In one case some 50 years ago, when the researcher died, the local society went to the surviving spouse a short time after the death and asked if they could take charge of the research papers as a tax write-off. The spouse replied that the papers had already been disposed of in the local landfill. Since no genealogist ever finds an end to their research, there is not any real cut-off point for saving the data to any form that may be easily preserved. Thus there has to be a point at which some/most/all the data in a digital database is converted to some more easily accessible form and then updated at intervals. The question then is how to determine that cut-off point and what the intervals should be. With few exceptions, this has to be rather arbitrary. Most often, it will simply be deciding to do it now and every six months/year/5 years/whatever. A cousin had a large amount of work (mid-1970s) on paper and made arrangements for the papers to be microfilmed when his health began to deteriorate. He continued his research (I have some of the later work), but at least the large majority of the work was preserved. His children have the papers now and at one time considered making it available in digital form, but that has not happened. In addition to when to preserve the data, the other consideration is how the work in TMG should be preserved such that most anyone could see/use the data. Absent knowledgeable persons familiar with computers/TMG (or any other database program), it seem to me that there are only two ways. Probably the easiest is to create a web site using Second Site and placing copies of this site on CD/DVDs with the copies deposited in safe places. Along with the CD/DVDs should be an explanatory note with the simple instructions how to use them. The CD/DVD method will work fine for the foreseeable future. But there are still questions as to the lifespan of CD/DVDs much less the equipment/programs to use them. Lifspan estimates are from 25 to 100 years with no guarantee of any of the estimates. But, CD/DVDs are easy to create, can be update (replaced) easily and take up less physical space. The only universally usable form of data preservation with a known lifespan is paper (assuming archival quality and appropriate storage). Lifespan of paper can be short (fire) or reasonably long (we have documents that are hundreds of years old). So paper also has it limits although with care those limits are somewhat longer. And while paper may last longer, its use requires no special equipment or instruction. Paper tends to take longer to print, is more bulky. Assuming the output is in the form of Family Group Sheets (or Individual Detail Reports), one would estimate at least two pages (main data and citations) for each person with very many being another one to four (or more?) pages. This for a 50,000 person data set) calculates to something like 150,000 (or more) pages. (How many pages can one tree produce? <g>). Then on top of this, some kind of index should be provided. A more reasonable output in terms of bulk would be a narrative report with an output of upwards of ten thousand pages. There is no easy one size fits all solution and each situation will be different. But some pre-planning be done by all of us. Lee
In several recent posts, people, like Lee, have stated that they have upwards of 50,000 people in their database. It brings to mind the question - What will happen to all that work after I die? or better yet - What can I do now to preserve that information? Because our databases are not static and change on an almost daily basis, it’s not practical to start printing out 50,000 Individual Reports that you could give to an archive or library because what you print today would possibly be changed by tomorrow. One could write a book that might include a few thousand of those people in it but what happens to all the information you have gathered on all those other thousands of collateral people? I’d be interested in hearing of people’s plans for their TMG databases and also their Second Site websites after they are gone. Thanks. Pat
At 01:00 PM 7/29/2015, Louise Rosett via wrote: >Could someone copy and e-mail to me the >following TMG file; cdintf~1.dll? Mine is >corrupted and I canât print without it. Thank >you. Louise The TMG archive is found here: >http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ >Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: >http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html >------------------------------- To unsubscribe >from the list, please send an email to >TMG-request@rootsweb.com with the word >'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message At the worst, you should just need to re-run the TMG installer; it should reload any files that came with it. -- bieber.genealogy@earthlink.net Dennis Lee Bieber HTTP://home.earthlink.net/~bieber.genealogy/
At 09:09 PM 7/29/2015, Don Ferguson via wrote: >My Win 10 pre-release testing showed no issues, and in the case of >TMG, better than Windows 7. >The 2 improvement points are: > >1. if you double-click on a VCF chart file in Win 7, VCF starts, but >doesn't open the file you clicked on - in Win10 it does (as it should). Sounds like an error in the file association -- not passing the %1 argument to VCF on the invocation.... Though looking at my system, the fault is even more crucial -- no open command defined C:\Users\Wulfraed\Documents>assoc .vc2 .vc2=Wholly Genes Software.The Master Genealogist v9 C:\Users\Wulfraed\Documents>ftype "Wholly Genes Software.The Master Genealogist v9" File type 'Wholly Genes Software.The Master Genealogist' not found or no open command associated with it. C:\Users\Wulfraed\Documents> It IS curable... One has to define equivalents to (this is Python language file) C:\Users\Wulfraed\Documents>assoc .py .py=Python.File C:\Users\Wulfraed\Documents>ftype python.file python.file="C:\Python_x64\Python27\python.exe" "%1" %* Giving the path and arguments (I'd probably change the ftype name to something without spaces) -- bieber.genealogy@earthlink.net Dennis Lee Bieber HTTP://home.earthlink.net/~bieber.genealogy/
I have heard several talks on this subject, the most recent being Thomas MacEntee's webinar to the Ontario Genealogical Society. Without taking up too much time on the TMG list, I suggest that you check genealogical conferences for similar talks or look on the idea. There are many things to do, foremost of which is to let your heirs and executors know what you want done. I would also suggest that you donate copies of your work to applicable libraries and archives and then periodically update or replace it. With a replacement in a couple of years, it is fairly simple to update the catalogue and put it on the shelves. In my experience, most want a "finished" work, not simply copies of your files, etc. This can be paper or electronic (probably pdf or html i.e. SS generated, not a copy of your TMG backup). Mike More mikemore@rogers.com -----Original Message----- From: tmg-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:tmg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of pbalkcom via Sent: 30-Jul-15 6:26 AM To: TMG@rootsweb.com Subject: [TMG] Preserving those huge databases In several recent posts, people, like Lee, have stated that they have upwards of 50,000 people in their database. It brings to mind the question - What will happen to all that work after I die? or better yet - What can I do now to preserve that information? Because our databases are not static and change on an almost daily basis, it’s not practical to start printing out 50,000 Individual Reports that you could give to an archive or library because what you print today would possibly be changed by tomorrow. One could write a book that might include a few thousand of those people in it but what happens to all the information you have gathered on all those other thousands of collateral people? I’d be interested in hearing of people’s plans for their TMG databases and also their Second Site websites after they are gone. Thanks. Pat The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TMG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
But the upgrade is only free for the first 12 months -----Original Message----- From: tmg-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:tmg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Donna M St Felix via Sent: 30 July 2015 02:16 To: 'James Holcombe'; tmg@rootsweb.com Subject: [TMG] More -RE: Testing TMG and SS with Windows 10 The other article I read said that you really do not need to upgrade to W10 until 2020. -----Original Message----- From: Donna M St Felix [mailto:dstfelix@zoomtown.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 9:11 PM To: 'James Holcombe'; 'tmg@rootsweb.com' Subject: RE: [TMG] Testing TMG and SS with Windows 10 I read an article saying it does not support older programs. Another article on it, new today (LONG URL): http://www.komando.com/tips/318548/windows-10-is-here-everything-you-need-to -know?utm_medium=nl&utm_source=alerts&utm_content=2015-07-29-article-in-body -a -----Original Message----- From: tmg-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:tmg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of James Holcombe via Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 8:33 PM To: Chandler, David; tmg@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TMG] Testing TMG and SS with Windows 10 Well, Windows 10 downloaded to my PC today; what is the latest on compatibility with TMG and SS? Should I accept and charge ahead? The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TMG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
IMO, documents fit into one of three categories: 1. Document itself is important (e.g. official copy of birth certificate or document in ancestor's own handwriting). 2. Information on document is important (e.g. Census record). 3. Paper contains important information, but is not in the strictest sense a "document" (e.g. family group sheet completed by family member). (Note, though, that such a "non-document" can be a valid "source", e.g. "Reported by John Smith, January 1, 1980" or "FGS completed by John Smith, January 1, 1980".) To me, how one handles papers depends on how the papers categorize. I would tend toward this: 1. Keep the document and photocopy it, possibly add to Exhibits. 2. Record the information (possibly keep an image, according to one's taste and significance of data). 3. Record the information. If it were me, I'd definitely make images (scan) of all your aging/failing paper items, then free myself from the paper. One note, though: Why go through the intermediate step of scanning to jpg? I think most scanner software will allow you to make a pdf directly. My Epson software allows a "multi-page" pdf scan process, where I just keep feeding the pages until I get done, then make one pdf file. (I can pause along the way to verify if I've scanned the same page twice, etc.) Best wishes on getting rid of extraneous paper! Rick Van Dusen On 7/24/2015 3:17 PM, Blah BlahBlah via wrote: > Hello, everyone, > > I've finally decided to bite the bullet and start to do something > about the dozens of loose leaf binders and notebooks I have on > different family lines--stuff that goes back 30 years or more when I > used to send out family group sheets by the dozens to distant > relatives. > > As a test, I've started scanning one binder saving each page as a > jpg. Ideally, I guess, I can then create a pdf file from this using > various programs and then perhaps just discard the paper originals > (some of which are browning from age and/or becoming fragile, > depending on the paper)--although the thought of discarding everything > sort of scares me. (A pdf version I thought could then be given to > various libraries or societies). : : : > Sam
The other article I read said that you really do not need to upgrade to W10 until 2020. -----Original Message----- From: Donna M St Felix [mailto:dstfelix@zoomtown.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 9:11 PM To: 'James Holcombe'; 'tmg@rootsweb.com' Subject: RE: [TMG] Testing TMG and SS with Windows 10 I read an article saying it does not support older programs. Another article on it, new today (LONG URL): http://www.komando.com/tips/318548/windows-10-is-here-everything-you-need-to-know?utm_medium=nl&utm_source=alerts&utm_content=2015-07-29-article-in-body-a -----Original Message----- From: tmg-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:tmg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of James Holcombe via Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 8:33 PM To: Chandler, David; tmg@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TMG] Testing TMG and SS with Windows 10 Well, Windows 10 downloaded to my PC today; what is the latest on compatibility with TMG and SS? Should I accept and charge ahead?
I read an article saying it does not support older programs. Another article on it, new today (LONG URL): http://www.komando.com/tips/318548/windows-10-is-here-everything-you-need-to-know?utm_medium=nl&utm_source=alerts&utm_content=2015-07-29-article-in-body-a -----Original Message----- From: tmg-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:tmg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of James Holcombe via Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 8:33 PM To: Chandler, David; tmg@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TMG] Testing TMG and SS with Windows 10 Well, Windows 10 downloaded to my PC today; what is the latest on compatibility with TMG and SS? Should I accept and charge ahead?
Well, Windows 10 downloaded to my PC today; what is the latest on compatibility with TMG and SS? Should I accept and charge ahead? On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 2:50 PM, <Chandler@lists2.rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > Ø If the every-other rule continues to hold, Windows 10 should be good > ;-) > > No they skipped the good version 9 Lol > > David > > The TMG archive is found here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ > Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TMG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >
Thank you, thank you, each of you for your thoughts and advice. Earlier this evening I sat down with Lee and Terry's two wonderful books and after consulting them, had pretty much decided that one database was the way to go. As I wrote originally and their books (and your comments) confirmed, it's easy enough to generate reports on the descendants of Ancestor X or Y, and having several data sets in one project seems prone to unforeseen complications (some of which Lee very aptly described). I have 16,000+ people in a database devoted to my mother's maiden name/paternal ancestry, so guess I could just tack everything onto that--most of the binders and notebooks concern her maternal ancestry anyway. (My father's parents came over from Europe and his "database" would consist of, maybe, 20 people, at best--zilcho past his grandparents). My only other large database is a regional one for that area of Maryland/Pennsylvania (over 43,000 people), which includes, of course, kith and kin of mine (and why I ever started it is a mystery to me---lol--but it keeps rolling along), so ... guess the next step is deciding on which existing project to append the information from the binders and notebooks (not to mention stacks of photocopies stuff and odds and ends from the internet). Once again, I thank each of you for your advice and thoughts. Your replies have helped me greatly. Sam
... and therefore BACKUP your dataset before you do anything. -----Original Message----- From: tmg-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:tmg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John Cardinal via Sent: 29 July 2015 03:16 To: tmg@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TMG] Cardinal's Utility Kathryn Bassett wrot: > I'll try Donald's suggestion on Thu with those. Kathryn, Be careful. Donald's suggestion relies on a flag, and as I described in my previous reply, you will change Note tags incorrectly if a person has more than one Note tag but only one should be changed. John The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TMG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
At 7/29/2015 13:00, Louise Rosett wrote: >Could someone copy and e-mail to me the >following TMG file; cdintf~1.dll? Mine is >corrupted and I canât print without it. Someone e-mailing that file (assuming that is the file that you really need) will not help as it needs to be registered in the Windows Registry. Working with the Windows Registry is not something that most people are able to do much less be comfortable doing even with detailed instructions as it can completely disable your entire computer. Actually, you already the needed file ands it just needs to be installed properly. With TMG open, select Printer Setup from the File menu. In the Printer Setup window, click on the [Install PDF Printer] button and follow the instructions. This should install the correct files (and register them in the Windows Registry). Lee Hoffman/KY
At 7/24/2015 18:17, you wrote: > However, I'm up in the air about what to do about entering this >information into TMG: keep each family separate or just have one >gigantic database. I started TMG with about 9600 persons in a single data set (at a time when you could only work one data set at a time). That grew over a period of year to tens of thousands in that one data set. With the advent of TMG v5 (and later) and its Project concept, I now have over 56,000 people in a single project and all still in one data set. Depending on my needs (usually for a specific report or for exchange with other researchers), I will create a second (or more) data set in that project. Usually these "sub-" data sets are temporary and only last a few days although a few may last longer. In a few cases, I will make one of those "sub-" data sets into their own project -- often because it will be used for the basis of a client's project. Like you, I have a large number of people from a single area and there are many inter-relationships among the various lines. Because of this, I will often research a line a bit more as those lines often tie back in to other lines -- more or less in a back door to "brick wall" lines. So I have something like two dozen projects. Most of these are relatively small and over half are client projects and half of those unconnected (at least so far) to my main project. One reason that I keep my 56 thousand persons in a single data set rather than have multiple projects (or multiple "permanent" data sets in a project) is that it reduces the amount of redundancy. If I had a data set for my lines and one for my wife's lines, each would include us, our parents, siblings, and descendants and spouses. But, also I might miss that my and my wife's two-great grandmothers have the same name - although they are only related by marriage. Further, I would need to have duplicate Sources and Repositories (although there would be many other unique Sources & Repositories. Similarly, when I go on a research trip, I would have to print out multiple reports listing Research Tasks (of course, I could generate the reports and combine them in my word processor or spreadsheet. But that is extra work). Having everything together in one data set just makes things a lot easier. Having said that, there are some minor down sides to a single data set. The main one being that you often wind up with many people having the same name (or very close to the same). This may result in confusion as to which family the persons belongs to. I do not find this to be a great problem although if can be a bit frustrating to have to look at each to decide which if wanted. There are various ways to get around this problem. I tend to go with entering a Reference field code indicating a family or some other "pointer". Some users will add something in one of the Name fields that point to the correct family. A second possibility is implied above in that you can have multiple data sets in a single project. The advantage of this is that you can see all persons in the project regardless of which data set a person resides. Or, you can select to look at only one data set at a time (hiding the rest). The down side (advantage) of the multiple data set project is that each data set's Persons, Sources, Repositories, Tasks, etc. are unique to their own data set. That is, you may be ready to enter John Smith in data set A and know that he happens to already be in data set B. You cannot the data set B John Smith to data set A in any way because data sets are completely independent of each other (only the picklists and the like show information from multiple data sets). Lee
On 7/24/2015 6:17 PM, Blah BlahBlah via wrote: > However, I'm up in the air about what to do about entering this > information into TMG: keep each family separate or just have one > gigantic database. As these families initially (that is, late > 18th-mid-19th centuries) and even to this day are from the same area > before spreading out around the country (and the world), it seems > logical there may be all sorts of connections between some people in > the different families one single database would reveal. > > For example, Terry, I noticed on your website that you have eight > family lines with six different links, but are they all in one huge > database which are sorted out somehow or six separate projects? Sam, I agree with John and Linda - put everything in one project absent some strong reason not to. I have 20,000 people in my project with no issue, other than with over 6000 sources the Master Source List takes a tad longer to open than I'd like. If the lines intermix, as mine do, this makes things much simpler. Even if they don't, if you do any customization of Tag Types, Source Types, etc., it's simpler to manage in one Project, and it's simpler to navigate from one person to another. Should you want to put people from the various lines in a single report or website created with Second Site they must be in the same Data Set within the same Project. On my website everyone is in a single Project. The main page gives the illusion that they are in separate sections since there are separate "family" pages, and separate indexes and charts, but they really are in a single site. That not only makes maintaining the site and the underlying TMG Project easier, but it also lets readers navigate seamlessly across family lines when they intermarried. That is, when a reader following one family comes to a person who married into another family, they can just click the link to the spouse and are now looking at the member of the other family. Creating any of the "genealogy" (as opposed to analysis) reports for a single line in a large project is simple, because the reports themselves follow ancestor or descendant lines. Terry Reigel