I'm not trying to "sell" anything; just sharing information I've found to be helpful: You'll find interesting discussions regarding EE, evidence, privacy, and citations: https://www.evidenceexplained.com/ - search for DNA to find articles and discussions for that topic. The EE QuickSheet "Citing Genetic Sources for History Research" provides more information and examples For DNA citations than EE 3rd ed: http://www.genealogical.com/ - also available on Amazon. A digital version is available for Evidence Explained, 3rd edition: https://www.evidenceexplained.com/magento/ Wanda Sent from my iPad > On Aug 28, 2015, at 12:24 PM, Jerry Balkcom via <tmg@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > That helps clarify the situation I'm trying to capture. > > I have an autosomal match with another tester, strong enough to pretty > conclusively show that we have a common ancestor within "autosomal time > frame". That is, we are surely cousins. Comparison of trees with this > match strongly suggests who this ancestor is, someone a generation > earlier than my earliest documented, well-proven ancestor, and two > generations earlier than my tester's tree documents. It is someone who > I have long identified as most likely parent of my earliest proven. I > have other matches in this match area who are our cousins from the same > family line as well and I am working through contacting them. Response > rate in these cases can be low, so I may end up relying on this single > match as far as the dna component of evidence. > > So I have a combination of standard genealogy research and now a > supporting dna match that leads me to add this earlier generation to my > line. In thinking about this now I can see that adding dna as a source > could be taken as asserting the relationship "proven" when it's really > one element of supporting evidence. I agree that remarks need to state > how much I am really concluding. > > This general format can work for me. Since my example is autosomal and > since I lump sources, I would move date and test id to citation detail, > may add names of the people who match (just the two in my case), and > would likely add the specific chromosome match points. Adding match > names may be a problem since it could circumvent the privacy choices > made by testers when they opt to share results and who to share with. > >>

That helps clarify the situation I'm trying to capture. I have an autosomal match with another tester, strong enough to pretty conclusively show that we have a common ancestor within "autosomal time frame". That is, we are surely cousins. Comparison of trees with this match strongly suggests who this ancestor is, someone a generation earlier than my earliest documented, well-proven ancestor, and two generations earlier than my tester's tree documents. It is someone who I have long identified as most likely parent of my earliest proven. I have other matches in this match area who are our cousins from the same family line as well and I am working through contacting them. Response rate in these cases can be low, so I may end up relying on this single match as far as the dna component of evidence. So I have a combination of standard genealogy research and now a supporting dna match that leads me to add this earlier generation to my line. In thinking about this now I can see that adding dna as a source could be taken as asserting the relationship "proven" when it's really one element of supporting evidence. I agree that remarks need to state how much I am really concluding. This general format can work for me. Since my example is autosomal and since I lump sources, I would move date and test id to citation detail, may add names of the people who match (just the two in my case), and would likely add the specific chromosome match points. Adding match names may be a problem since it could circumvent the privacy choices made by testers when they opt to share results and who to share with. On 8/28/2015 11:33 AM, Lee Hoffman/KY wrote: > At 8/28/2015 06:26, you wrote: >> I need to enter dna tests (autosomal, Y) as sources and I'm looking for >> TMG source templates. I bought the Evidence Explained quick reference >> sheet "Citing Genetic Sources for History Research" so have a possible >> citation format but I'd also welcome hearing how others have done >> this. I >> usually lump sources and add specifics as citation detail. >> >> Without having done any entries yet I think dna as a source will be >> mainly >> for relationships. > > I would agree that any citations for DNA Sources would be mainly for > Relationships. > > That said, I wonder how a single DNA test report can provide evidence > of a relationship. Like a marriage, it would take two tests that show > a match to be evidence. Thus I would think multiple Sources would be > needed as evidence.otherwise only half the story is there. Barring > the availability of citations for other reports, remarks describing > the match would be needed. > > As to the design of the citation, I think something based on Mills' > topic 3.13, Basic Forman" Artifacts in 'Evidence Explained' (p. 124) > would do the trick (and illustrated on p. 93) would do the trick. The > Full Footnote might be something like: > > [AGENCY], "[RECORD TYPE] for [SUBJECT]", [DATE], [FILE REFERENCE], > [REPOSITORY], [REPOSITORY ADDRESS]<. [COMMENTS]>. > > giving a citations like: > > FamilyTreeDNA, "Y-DNA Certificate for Smith, John Q.", 10 Jan 2011, > Test # 12345, John Q. Smith, Some City, State. This report of the > DNA test showed matches with James W. Smitth. > > Lee >

At 8/28/2015 11:23, Pat wrote: >My mistake was to highlight a tag, and then right-click. > > From your suggestion, I ignored all the tags, then right-clicked > well away from the left-hand side, anywhere in the Details, Person > window. The Filter selection pop-up appeared in full view. If you are filtering for "Tags of this type", you will need to click on the Tag although it can be anywhere along the line. That is, it doesn't need to be on the Tag Type label. Lee

At 8/28/2015 06:26, you wrote: >I need to enter dna tests (autosomal, Y) as sources and I'm looking for >TMG source templates. I bought the Evidence Explained quick reference >sheet "Citing Genetic Sources for History Research" so have a possible >citation format but I'd also welcome hearing how others have done this. I >usually lump sources and add specifics as citation detail. > >Without having done any entries yet I think dna as a source will be mainly >for relationships. I would agree that any citations for DNA Sources would be mainly for Relationships. That said, I wonder how a single DNA test report can provide evidence of a relationship. Like a marriage, it would take two tests that show a match to be evidence. Thus I would think multiple Sources would be needed as evidence.otherwise only half the story is there. Barring the availability of citations for other reports, remarks describing the match would be needed. As to the design of the citation, I think something based on Mills' topic 3.13, Basic Forman" Artifacts in 'Evidence Explained' (p. 124) would do the trick (and illustrated on p. 93) would do the trick. The Full Footnote might be something like: [AGENCY], "[RECORD TYPE] for [SUBJECT]", [DATE], [FILE REFERENCE], [REPOSITORY], [REPOSITORY ADDRESS]<. [COMMENTS]>. giving a citations like: FamilyTreeDNA, "Y-DNA Certificate for Smith, John Q.", 10 Jan 2011, Test # 12345, John Q. Smith, Some City, State. This report of the DNA test showed matches with James W. Smitth. Lee

I have two source types, one for Family Tree DNA and one for a private DNA project. (Note: these templates make use of custom source elements) Custom Source Type: Genetic Database (FTDNA) Profile is most similar to: Cemetery Marker (Published) Full footnote: Gene By Gene, Ltd., [ITAL:]Family Tree DNA[:ITAL], profile (https://www.familytreedna.com/ : accessed [CD3]), <"profile for Kit# [CD2]>"<, [CD4]> Short footnote: Gene By Gene, Ltd.. [ITAL:]Family Tree DNA[:ITAL], <"profile for Kit# [CD2]>"<, [CD5]> Bibliography: Gene By Gene, Ltd. [ITAL:]Family Tree DNA[:ITAL]. User Profile. https://www.familytreedna.com/ : [G25 ACCESS YEAR] Reminder: Source Definition: - Title - FTDNA Profile - Access Year - enter the year range the records were accessed (update if needed) 2014-2015 Citation Detail CD1 - Subject- NOT OUTPUT - if female maiden name is given in form Given Name [ITAL:]Maiden Name[:ITAL] Surname CD2 - Kit Number CD3 - Access day month year dd mmm yyyy CD4 - Additional note for Full footnote CD5 - Additional note for Short footnote Subject || Kit No || Access Date || notes for full footnote || notes for short footnote Citation Memo CM1 - Haplogroup Y-DNA CM2 - Haplogroup mtDNA CM3 - Most Distant Ancestor Paternal: Name & Location CM4 - Most Distant Ancestor Maternal: Name & Location CM5 - Email address Surety 1 = 3, 2 = mt, D = mt, P = mt, M = mt ------------------------- Custom Source Type: Genetic Database (Private)ee is most similar to: Book (Compiled Records) Full footnote: [COMPILER], compiler, [ITAL:][TITLE][:ITAL], database ([URL][M1] : [G21 ACCESS D M] [G25 ACCESS YEAR] ) User ID: [G19 USER ID]<, [CD]> Short footnote: [COMPILER], [ITAL:][TITLE][:ITAL], [G21 ACCESS D M] [G25 ACCESS YEAR] User ID: [G19 USER ID]<, [CD]> Bibliography: [COMPILER]. [ITAL:][TITLE][:ITAL]. Database. [URL] : [G25 ACCESS YEAR]. Reminder: Source Definition: - Title - enter the full name of the website. - Compiler - enter the name of the compiler in the form "Surname, GivenName". - G21 Access D M - enter the Access Day and Month. - G25 Access Year - enter the Access Year. - G19 User ID - enter the User ID - Kit Number(s) Citation: - Citation Detail - enter details as appropriate. ------------------------- Sample Footnote Output: [1]: Gene By Gene, Ltd., Family Tree DNA, profile (https://www.familytreedna.com/ : accessed 29 Dec 2014), "profile for Kit# 278615." [2]: Jane Gilbert, compiler, Gilbert Genealogy Y-DNA Project, database (http://www.janegilbert.org/gilbertdna/ydnakits/matthewnewhaven.htm : 29 December 2014 ) User ID: 278615. Sample Bibliography Output: Gene By Gene, Ltd. Family Tree DNA. User Profile. https://www.familytreedna.com/ : 2014-2015. Gilbert, Jane. Gilbert Genealogy Y-DNA Project. Database. http://www.janegilbert.org/gilbertdna : 2014. Glenn > On Aug 28, 2015, at 03:26, jerry balkcom via <tmg@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Hi all, > > I need to enter dna tests (autosomal, Y) as sources and I'm looking for > TMG source templates. I bought the Evidence Explained quick reference > sheet "Citing Genetic Sources for History Research" so have a possible > citation format but I'd also welcome hearing how others have done this. I > usually lump sources and add specifics as citation detail. > > Without having done any entries yet I think dna as a source will be mainly > for relationships. > > Thanks, > Jerry Balkcom > > The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ > Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TMG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi all, I need to enter dna tests (autosomal, Y) as sources and I'm looking for TMG source templates. I bought the Evidence Explained quick reference sheet "Citing Genetic Sources for History Research" so have a possible citation format but I'd also welcome hearing how others have done this. I usually lump sources and add specifics as citation detail. Without having done any entries yet I think dna as a source will be mainly for relationships. Thanks, Jerry Balkcom

Hello list, With the Details Person screen displayed, right-clicking on a Tag brings up a menu. When I select 'Filter for' the pop-up is displayed mostly off-screen to the left and is unreadable. I cannot find a way to drag the pop-up fully on-screen. My work-around is to reduce the size of the TMG display - fine for a temporary fix. Could someone please explain how I can re-position the pop-up? Pat Dunbar

Using TMG v9.05 with Windows 8.1 64-bit. All worked well until about a week ago when opening a tag (and many other dialog boxes) has suddenly slowed down -- painfully so, as each open now takes about 20 seconds. No recent changes that I can think of that might have caused this. I did have the Auto Relationship tag functioning, but turning that off has not helped. No accents, TMG opened and closed several times, Optimise/VFI performed several times -- all to no avail. Any ideas on possible causes? Lindsay Graham Canberra, Australia

Hello List, Many thanks for the response. The problem is solved. Terry Reigel wrote: > I suspect the filter has been saved as part of your Layout. > After fixing the filter, try saving your Layout. Thanks Terry, I tried thee or four times but it didn't work. My fault - I didn't know how to view filter status and thought that setting Preferences>Options>Tag Box>select Show Primary Events was all that was needed. Michael, thanks also to you. > find it easier to RIGHT click in the tag area and select the menu > choice of "Filter for ...". I had never before used this right-click menu. So I switched filters on and off a few times and checked each time for the red 'Filtered' label. This seems to have fixed the problem - thank you list members for your help. Pat Dunbar -Original Message----- From: tmg-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:tmg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Patrick R. L. Dunbar via Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2015 7:37 AM To: TMG@rootsweb.com Subject: [TMG] Tag Box Problem This problem has appeared recently. I cannot find a permanent fix. Loading TMG, the Tag Box shows 'Filtered' in red. On examining File>Preferences>Tag Box 'Show non-primary events' is not ticked. I then tick 'Show n.p. events', Apply>OK, then for the session 'Filtered' is not evident. On shutting down, then reloading TMG, 'Filtered' re-appears, and I have to repeat the above sequence to clear the problem.

At 8/27/2015 19:41, you wrote: >With the Details Person screen displayed, right-clicking on a Tag brings >up a menu. When I select 'Filter for' the pop-up is displayed mostly >off-screen to the left and is unreadable. I cannot find a way to drag >the pop-up fully on-screen. Try clicking in a different area of the Details window -- away from the edge. The top left of the right-click menu should appear just below and to the right of where your cursor is when you right-click. Lee

Thanks, Michael. I copied your message to my cousin, for him to make those checks. Also, with your prompting, I looked at the app.ini file (by default, this is in C:\User\<username>\AppData\Roaming\The Master Genealogist v9--the default "User Program Data" folder). This was on my installation which works correctly, and I didn't immediately see where a problem might lie, except that logically I'd think it might be in the [Startup] section. Joan, if you'd like to contact me offlist and send me either a copy of your app.ini file or a copy of the [Startup], [Database], and [Advanced] sections, I can compare it to mine (working correctly) and see if I can see anything suspicious. (Remember, though, that I don't know what I'm doing, so any feedback I'll be able to give is only a clue, not an answer.) DO NOT MODIFY YOUR FILE. Rick Van Dusen On 8/27/2015 10:30 AM, Michael J. Hannah via wrote: > Rick Van Dusen observed: >> My cousin reports that when he clicks on the TMG9 desktop icon, >> TMG opens with the Select Backup dialog, and shows backups in >> the User>My Documents>The Master Genealogist v9>Backups path... >> I have no idea how this could happen, let alone how to fix it. > > And Joan Lince sees the same problem: >> But how do I fix it? > > I also have no real idea how/why this could be occuring, but the first > thing I would check is: > Preferences // Program Options // General // Default Project Path > Is it set to where you expect? : : :

On 8/27/2015 9:02 AM, Blah BlahBlah via wrote: > Always be careful when downloading programs from sites other than the > website of the creator. Others have given you irfanview's official > site. You should download it from there. Sam, The problem is there are no downloads from the official site. Rather, it provides links to half a dozen or more download sites, several of which have triggered warning when trying to download. I did finally download without a warning from the CNET site. Terry Reigel

Rick Van Dusen observed: > My cousin reports that when he clicks on the TMG9 desktop icon, > TMG opens with the Select Backup dialog, and shows backups in > the User>My Documents>The Master Genealogist v9>Backups path... > I have no idea how this could happen, let alone how to fix it. And Joan Lince sees the same problem: > But how do I fix it? I also have no real idea how/why this could be occuring, but the first thing I would check is: Preferences // Program Options // General // Default Project Path Is it set to where you expect? Next I would check the details of the desktop icon. RIGHT click on the icon and select properties. Where is the Target of the icon? Is it the folder name you expect? The default location for the program normally is an installation folder named "The Master Genealogist v9" under the default system folder for installing any programs. I believe that TMG then creates a folder with that identical installation folder name in the (normally hidden system) "Application Data" folder specific for this user. TMG will automatically look within that installation named folder within that user's system folder for a file called "app.ini" which is what TMG will use for initialization. Has that user's installation folder name in the (normally hidden system) "Application Data" folder for this user been altered or deleted in some way? By any chance was that folder renamed? [As an aside about opening HELP, in the folder where you installed the TMG program there should be a file "TMG.chm". Double-clicking on that file should open the TMG HELP without having to be in TMG.] Hopefully one of the users more knowledgable of TMG's internals will have an idea. Michael

Is his preferences > Program options>startup and exit screen set to open at the welcome screen? Lorna Henderson http://LornaHen.com On 27/08/15 08:21, Rick Van Dusen via wrote: > My cousin reports that when he clicks on the TMG9 desktop icon, TMG > opens with the Select Backup dialog, and shows backups in the User>My > Documents>The Master Genealogist v9>Backups path. > > He has set Preferences (in all possible places) to point to data in > D:\TMG9. (He is NOT using a Data_Paths.txt file because we haven't been > able to determine his correct paths for Shared Program Data Files or > User Program Data Files, since the issue is complicated by his use of > the Catalan version of Windows 7.) > > He'd like to at least get back to where TMG opens to the Welcome Window. > > Any ideas? > > > Rick Van Dusen > The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ > Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TMG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

But how do I fix it? Joan -----Original Message----- From: tmg-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:tmg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Rick Van Dusen via Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 10:02 AM To: tmg@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TMG] TMG9 opens to backups? Good point. And I'd advise you or anybody to fix a current problem before trying to "improve" things. Rick Van Dusen On 8/26/2015 10:05 PM, Joan Lince wrote: > Rick, thank you, but that's a bit of a Catch 22 for me because the > problem prevents access to the help files. (That's why I would like to > fix this.) The reason I mentioned Data_paths.txt is that I wanted to > show that I hadn't intentionally messed with the paths to the file locations. > > Joan The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TMG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Always be careful when downloading programs from sites other than the website of the creator. Others have given you irfanview's official site. You should download it from there. Irfanview has a plugin which allows you to create pdf files from jpgs too. And am sure you've heard this before, but never, ever ever do a 'standard' or quick installation after downloading a program. Always click on a custom download as that will let you know what other junk may be installed with the program you want. Sam On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 1:11 PM, Taryn L. Phelan via <tmg@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > I attempted to download Irfanview thru File Forum (Editors's Pick), but big red warning page came on when I hit download: "The Site Ahead contains Harmful Programs. Attackers on fileforum.betanews.com might attempt to trick you into installing programs that harm your browsing experience"...... > Terry > >

Right. That's my question in this thread. Hopefully the SKSs will have some ideas. I have no idea how this could happen, let alone how to fix it. Rick Van Dusen On 8/27/2015 7:41 AM, Joan Lince wrote: > But how do I fix it? > > Joan

Good point. And I'd advise you or anybody to fix a current problem before trying to "improve" things. Rick Van Dusen On 8/26/2015 10:05 PM, Joan Lince wrote: > Rick, thank you, but that's a bit of a Catch 22 for me because the problem > prevents access to the help files. (That's why I would like to fix this.) > The reason I mentioned Data_paths.txt is that I wanted to show that I hadn't > intentionally messed with the paths to the file locations. > > Joan

Rick, thank you, but that's a bit of a Catch 22 for me because the problem prevents access to the help files. (That's why I would like to fix this.) The reason I mentioned Data_paths.txt is that I wanted to show that I hadn't intentionally messed with the paths to the file locations. Joan -----Original Message----- From: tmg-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:tmg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Rick Van Dusen via Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2015 11:28 PM To: tmg@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TMG] TMG9 opens to backups? Joan, the Data_paths.txt file is not needed if you use TMG's default file locations. For those of us who don't, it's a way of making the change. For more information, read the TMG Help topics: Data File Storage Data File Storage for Advanced Users Customizing Data File Storage Rick Van Dusen On 8/26/2015 5:42 PM, Joan Lince wrote: > This seems related to a problem I have posted about, but still haven't > found an answer. I do have preferences set to show the Welcome screen. > In my case, the Welcome screen has the option Open the Last Project > grayed out, and I have to manually select My Project. I also am unable > to access the help files. This began happening a few weeks ago after I > uninstalled and reinstalled the latest TMG v9.04. All my path > preferences are set to the correct default places, which worked fine before the uninstall. > I'm not using a Data_Paths.txt file -- in fact I don't even know what > that is. > > I really would appreciate any suggestions for fixing this. The lack of > ability to access help files is especially a problem. > > Joan Lince The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TMG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This seems related to a problem I have posted about, but still haven't found an answer. I do have preferences set to show the Welcome screen. In my case, the Welcome screen has the option Open the Last Project grayed out, and I have to manually select My Project. I also am unable to access the help files. This began happening a few weeks ago after I uninstalled and reinstalled the latest TMG v9.04. All my path preferences are set to the correct default places, which worked fine before the uninstall. I'm not using a Data_Paths.txt file -- in fact I don't even know what that is. I really would appreciate any suggestions for fixing this. The lack of ability to access help files is especially a problem. Joan Lince -----Original Message----- From: tmg-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:tmg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Rick Van Dusen via Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2015 4:22 PM To: tmg@rootsweb.com Subject: [TMG] TMG9 opens to backups? My cousin reports that when he clicks on the TMG9 desktop icon, TMG opens with the Select Backup dialog, and shows backups in the User>My Documents>The Master Genealogist v9>Backups path. He has set Preferences (in all possible places) to point to data in D:\TMG9. (He is NOT using a Data_Paths.txt file because we haven't been able to determine his correct paths for Shared Program Data Files or User Program Data Files, since the issue is complicated by his use of the Catalan version of Windows 7.) He'd like to at least get back to where TMG opens to the Welcome Window. Any ideas? Rick Van Dusen The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TMG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message