Yes it is the default printer which is the setting I need but I don't understand why it should affect TMG. I wonder if anybody else knows why? Sue On 21/09/2015 15:09, Lee Hoffman/KY wrote: > At 9/21/2015 09:23, you wrote: >> I am pleased that I solved it but wonder why TMG pauses to try and >> connect to the printer even if I don't want to do any printing. Does >> anybody know why? > > Glad you found the culprit. As for why, I can only guess that it is > related to how you have the printer installed and designated within > Windows. I have a number of seldom used printers (label printers, etc) > attached to my computer. Most of these are only turned on when I need > them. But they make no difference to my system. Is the new printer > marked in Windows as the default printer? The installation may have set > it that way, and that may be why it is slowing things down. Other than > that, I have no clue. > > Lee > >

I tried the following:- 1 scanning using Malwarebytes which found nothing 2 reinstalling using the repair option 3 copying the sample project to a different drive and opening it from there 4 checking disc activity in Windows 7's Resource Monitor - there was nothing unusual None of these made any difference whatsoever. However I have now solved it using the hint about a printer driver in Performance Recommendations and Lee's suggestion about adding new hardware (thanks Lee). Last week we installed a new wireless printer and turning it on sorted out the problem. Turning it off again made TMG slow when editing. So the solution is to keep the printer on when using TMG. I am pleased that I solved it but wonder why TMG pauses to try and connect to the printer even if I don't want to do any printing. Does anybody know why? Sue > > I would try very hard to check on anything that you may have changed > with your computer since your earlier use of TMG. This might be adding > some hardware, some other program (including an update to Windows), > etc. While you say that other programs are not affected, they may be > although most other programs don't require the resources that a database > program like TMG does. Thus, other programs may be experiencing a > slowdown as well, but the slowdown for them is not apparent. > Let us know what you find - > > Lee

Clearly I should never respond off the top of my head on anything that can be readily looked up (I'm at work and do not have TMG on my work computer). Since I don't normally have reason to consult the licensing agreement, my main recollection of it was regarding number of machines one license could be installed on at one time. If I thought Bob Velke was accepting payment for new licenses, I would certainly have recommended that route. On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 1:27 PM, Lee Hoffman/KY <azchief@bellsouth.net> wrote: > At 9/21/2015 12:42, you wrote: > >> Not a lawyer here, but it seems to me that if Karen can get hold of the >> license information for the copy she has, she would be considered to >> inherit. That is, the original owner is no longer using the program so I >> don't think there would be anything illegal, or more important, unethical, >> about Karen using the original owner's license. Again, I'm not a lawyer >> but >> that is how I would interpret the situation. Ownership is transferred. >> > > As others have said, that is not the case. The fact is that Wholly Genes > (even defunct) has always retained _ownership_ of the program. We only buy > a _license_ to use it. Licenses are not transferrable to anyone else. > Just like you cannot transfer your driver's license to someone else. > > Lee > > -- Karla Huebner calypsospots AT gmail.com

On 9/21/2015 12:09 PM, Rick Van Dusen via wrote: > (As I understand it from this list, only RUG > still has licenses available; haven't heard anything about how many.) It > has, after all, been a year since the official end of sales. > Rick, and others who may be wondering... As I wrote earlier in this thread, there are currently two places from which licenses may be purchased: You can currently buy a license from the Dutch dealer, Harry Goegebeur, at harry.goegebeur@genea.be You can also obtain a license from the Roots User Group of Arlington, if you join that group. Info at http://rootsusers.org/ Terry Reigel

OK, you're correct and I was mistaken, but yes, in practical terms at this point, who knows what makes sense or is legal. Karla On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 1:01 PM, Terry Reigel via <tmg@rootsweb.com> wrote: > On 9/21/2015 12:42 PM, Karla Huebner via wrote: > > Not a lawyer here, but it seems to me that if Karen can get hold of the > > license information for the copy she has, she would be considered to > > inherit. That is, the original owner is no longer using the program so I > > don't think there would be anything illegal, or more important, > unethical, > > about Karen using the original owner's license. Again, I'm not a lawyer > but > > that is how I would interpret the situation. Ownership is transferred. > > > From the License Agreement, which users agreed to when they purchased TMG: > > 4. Permitted Uses: This Wholly Genes product, user's guide and > documentation is licensed to you, the LICENSEE, and may not be > transferred to any third party for any length of time without the prior > written consent of Wholly Genes. > > As to what that means in practical terms, I have no clue. > > Terry Reigel > The TMG archive is found here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ > Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TMG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > -- Karla Huebner calypsospots AT gmail.com

At 9/21/2015 10:41, you wrote: >Yes it is the default printer which is the setting I need but I >don't understand why it should affect TMG. I wonder if anybody else >knows why? Since TMG is a Windows-compliant program programmed in Visual FoxPro (a Microsoft Windows database language), it uses the Windows services. Thus, it looks for the default services and devices for most of its routines. I don;t know why editing a Tagf would cause TMG to look for the availability of the default printers, but that is probably dependant on the FoxPro database routines being used. Thus, a default device should normally be available for use. Lee

At 9/21/2015 09:23, you wrote: >I am pleased that I solved it but wonder why TMG pauses to try and >connect to the printer even if I don't want to do any printing. Does >anybody know why? Glad you found the culprit. As for why, I can only guess that it is related to how you have the printer installed and designated within Windows. I have a number of seldom used printers (label printers, etc) attached to my computer. Most of these are only turned on when I need them. But they make no difference to my system. Is the new printer marked in Windows as the default printer? The installation may have set it that way, and that may be why it is slowing things down. Other than that, I have no clue. Lee

At 9/21/2015 13:22, you wrote: >I'm not a lawyer either...but since TMG closed their doors I'd >submit that no one cares and it is perfectly ethical. In fact, when >we put our copy on a second computer in the home we purchased a >second copy and when we had issues later were told we didn't need to >buy the second copy, that it was perfectly OK to have one copy on >all computers. We continued to upgrade and pay for both copies >because we wanted to be a supporter of TMG, even after we were told >we did not need to do so. With that in mind, it certainly seems >perfectly ethical in light of their closure to use a single copy, on >a single computer, regardless of the original owner. If it is ethical to use the program for free now, would it have been etical to use it when Wholly Genes was still in business? No sales was the reason why it went out of business. So, tell me the difference. Just because General Motors closed the Oldsmobile line, would it be ethical to go to a former dealer and just drive away a new car? As for using it on a second computer, your license was for use on up to three computers -- as long as the program was being used on only one computer at a time. I have two desktop and a laptop and have two licenses. The reason for the second license is that my wife sometimes uses TMG at the same time as I. If she never used the program, then only one license would be needed. She does not have a laptop and uses mine when we are on trips, so we both need only one license "carried over" from the desktops. Lee

TC, The discontinuance doesn't invalidate the license agreement. One can use the discontinuance as a rationalization to break the terms of the agreement, but that's hardly ethical. Harry Goegebeur, a Dutch dealer, may have some TMG v9 licenses left. People who want to purchase a license should contact him at Harry.Goegebeur@genea.be. John

In my case, this was a network printer which was originally installed on a different pc. It's never been the default printer on the on pc with the TMG speed problems. Nancy At 12:48 PM 9/21/2015, Lee Hoffman/KY via wrote: >Is the new printer marked in Windows as the default printer? The >installation >may have set it that way, and that may be why it is slowing things >down. Other than that, I have no clue.

In my case, this was a network printer which was originally installed on a different pc. It's never been the default printer on the on pc with the TMG speed problems. Nancy At 12:48 PM 9/21/2015, Lee Hoffman/KY via wrote: >Is the new printer marked in Windows as the default printer? The >installation >may have set it that way, and that may be why it is slowing things >down. Other than that, I have no clue.

At 9/21/2015 12:42, you wrote: >Not a lawyer here, but it seems to me that if Karen can get hold of the >license information for the copy she has, she would be considered to >inherit. That is, the original owner is no longer using the program so I >don't think there would be anything illegal, or more important, unethical, >about Karen using the original owner's license. Again, I'm not a lawyer but >that is how I would interpret the situation. Ownership is transferred. As others have said, that is not the case. The fact is that Wholly Genes (even defunct) has always retained _ownership_ of the program. We only buy a _license_ to use it. Licenses are not transferrable to anyone else. Just like you cannot transfer your driver's license to someone else. Lee

I'm not a lawyer either...but since TMG closed their doors I'd submit that no one cares and it is perfectly ethical. In fact, when we put our copy on a second computer in the home we purchased a second copy and when we had issues later were told we didn't need to buy the second copy, that it was perfectly OK to have one copy on all computers. We continued to upgrade and pay for both copies because we wanted to be a supporter of TMG, even after we were told we did not need to do so. With that in mind, it certainly seems perfectly ethical in light of their closure to use a single copy, on a single computer, regardless of the original owner. TC -----Original Message----- >From: John Cardinal via <tmg@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Sep 21, 2015 1:02 PM >To: tmg@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [TMG] Safeguarding our data (was: Clueless questions about TMG) > >Karla Huebner wrote: >> Not a lawyer here, but it seems to me that if Karen can get hold >> of the license information for the copy she has, she would be >> considered to inherit. That is, the original owner is no longer >> using the program so I don't think there would be anything illegal, >> or more important, unethical, about Karen using the original >> owner's license. Again, I'm not a lawyer but that is how I would >> interpret the situation. Ownership is transferred. > >Karla, > >I'm not a lawyer, either, but I am confident you are not correct. From TMG >license: > >"Permitted Uses: This Wholly Genes product, user's guide and documentation >is licensed to you, the LICENSEE, and may not be transferred to any third >party for any length of time without the prior written consent of Wholly >Genes." > >TMG licenses cannot be transferred. > >John > >The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ >Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TMG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I wondered when you first mentioned Harry, Terry, because IIRC someone recently posted here that Harry has sold out all licenses he had. Rick Van Dusen On 9/21/2015 10:52 AM, Terry Reigel via wrote: > On 9/21/2015 12:09 PM, Rick Van Dusen via wrote: >> (As I understand it from this list, only RUG >> still has licenses available; haven't heard anything about how many.) It >> has, after all, been a year since the official end of sales. >> > Rick, and others who may be wondering... > > As I wrote earlier in this thread, there are currently two places from > which licenses may be purchased: > > You can currently buy a license from the Dutch dealer, Harry Goegebeur, > at harry.goegebeur@genea.be > > You can also obtain a license from the Roots User Group of Arlington, if > you join that group. Info at http://rootsusers.org/ > > Terry Reigel

Karla Huebner wrote: > Not a lawyer here, but it seems to me that if Karen can get hold > of the license information for the copy she has, she would be > considered to inherit. That is, the original owner is no longer > using the program so I don't think there would be anything illegal, > or more important, unethical, about Karen using the original > owner's license. Again, I'm not a lawyer but that is how I would > interpret the situation. Ownership is transferred. Karla, I'm not a lawyer, either, but I am confident you are not correct. From TMG license: "Permitted Uses: This Wholly Genes product, user's guide and documentation is licensed to you, the LICENSEE, and may not be transferred to any third party for any length of time without the prior written consent of Wholly Genes." TMG licenses cannot be transferred. John

On 9/21/2015 12:42 PM, Karla Huebner via wrote: > Not a lawyer here, but it seems to me that if Karen can get hold of the > license information for the copy she has, she would be considered to > inherit. That is, the original owner is no longer using the program so I > don't think there would be anything illegal, or more important, unethical, > about Karen using the original owner's license. Again, I'm not a lawyer but > that is how I would interpret the situation. Ownership is transferred. > From the License Agreement, which users agreed to when they purchased TMG: 4. Permitted Uses: This Wholly Genes product, user's guide and documentation is licensed to you, the LICENSEE, and may not be transferred to any third party for any length of time without the prior written consent of Wholly Genes. As to what that means in practical terms, I have no clue. Terry Reigel

Not a lawyer here, but it seems to me that if Karen can get hold of the license information for the copy she has, she would be considered to inherit. That is, the original owner is no longer using the program so I don't think there would be anything illegal, or more important, unethical, about Karen using the original owner's license. Again, I'm not a lawyer but that is how I would interpret the situation. Ownership is transferred. On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 10:55 AM, John Nunnally via <tmg@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Karen alluded to one issue that I think is critical: Can she "inherit" her > relative's TMG license? Or, is she obligated to find a version 9 license > of > her own? > > And secondly, if Karen is entitled to use the license left by her relative, > Is there still a way she can recover the original registration information > and/or transfer it to her own name? > > And thirdly, if our successors must get a license of their own, does anyone > know how many licenses are left? > > > John N. > > >

Thanks for all the advice! I'm definitely learning. I haven't yet attempted to install her TMG software, I'll first see what I can do in the 30-day free trial mode. I hadn't realized the license wasn't transferable, so won't even attempt to use her copy unless I encounter some unexpected bump (such as the database being too old to be viewed with the current versions, if such a thing is even possible.) The deceased was well acquainted with Bob Velke, or so her daughters tell me, so it's possible we might be able to get special permission to transfer the license. But I'd rather have my own license for the most current version, assuming I can make it work with her database, and I think I'll be able to get my own license using Terry's advice. However, we're not moving forward yet (and haven't started the 30 day clock). The .sqz file contained files from 2002. Her daughters are sure that there must be a newer database, so are currently looking for it. Thanks for the tips on where to look! (I don't have access to her computer, only files her daughters are sharing with me. That's sensible, as I'm sure there's a ton of private info on that computer which is none of my business!) This does raise questions about how to prepare for our own mortality. I don't have answers, but realize I'd be leaving a big mess for my family if I got run over by a bus this afternoon or something. Thanks again! Karen

I agree with everything you said, Rick, but you dug a little deeper than I had in mind for someone like Karen who is not 40 years away from her relative's running TMG system. Karen alluded to one issue that I think is critical: Can she "inherit" her relative's TMG license? Or, is she obligated to find a version 9 license of her own? And secondly, if Karen is entitled to use the license left by her relative, Is there still a way she can recover the original registration information and/or transfer it to her own name? And thirdly, if our successors must get a license of their own, does anyone know how many licenses are left? John N. -----Original Message----- From: Rick Van Dusen [mailto:newnethboy@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2015 8:31 PM To: tmg@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TMG] Safeguarding our data (was: Clueless questions about TMG) We've wrangled with this topic before (and it gets somewhat OT pretty quickly); let me summarize (and probably heavily editorialize): <snipped for brevity...>

On 9/21/2015 9:23 AM, Sue Mayer via wrote: > However I have now solved it using the hint about a printer driver in > Performance Recommendations and Lee's suggestion about adding new > hardware (thanks Lee). Last week we installed a new wireless printer and > turning it on sorted out the problem. Turning it off again made TMG > slow when editing. So the solution is to keep the printer on when using > TMG. > > I am pleased that I solved it but wonder why TMG pauses to try and > connect to the printer even if I don't want to do any printing. Does > anybody know why? Sue, I know that TMG consults the printer driver when creating reports, even if just on screen, to get page sizes, etc. But I don't think that's what you described, so I don't understand what's happening. Terry Reigel