At 9/23/2015 04:58, Andreas wrote: >can someone please help me. I have data from my father that he compiled >with Family Roots. I hear that this can be imported with version 4 of >TMG. Does anyone still have this version and can help with the import? If you have TMG v4.x, you can import data from Family Roots v4. With TMG v4 open, select File=>Import from... and select the Family Roots v4 option. If you don;t have any options in the Import from... menu then you need the Import.Ini file. That is available at <www.tmgtips.com/IMPORTINI.ZIP>. With the ZIP file downloaded to your computer, unZIP it and place the Import.Ini file into the TMGW folder (or the folder where TMG v4 (primarily the file TMGMAINW.EXE) is installed). It has been a long time since I imported data from Family Roots, so can't give you much help beyond this. Still the import process should be fairly straight-forward. Lee

More to the point, I think: Can Family Roots v4 be imported into any newer version of TMG? Rick Van Dusen On 9/23/2015 7:41 AM, Lee Hoffman/KY via wrote: > At 9/23/2015 04:58, Andreas wrote: >> can someone please help me. I have data from my father that he compiled >> with Family Roots. I hear that this can be imported with version 4 of >> TMG. Does anyone still have this version and can help with the import? > > If you have TMG v4.x, you can import data from Family Roots v4. : : : > Lee

On 9/22/2015 11:34 PM, Marsha Ensminger via wrote: > In these cases I always put a note in the Memo "Birthdate calculated from age at death of X years, Y months, Z days." > I enter the calculated date as "circa," which is most easily done by closing the Date Calculator and then pasting the date, which the Date Calculator as automatically copied to the clipboard, in the Date field. I then enter in the citation that the source "show age X yr Y mo Z days at death 3 Jan 1924." I think this accurately reflects the known facts - that the date is "about" this day. I find very annoying the practice of some submitters to FindAGrave, for example, to enter a date as if actually known when all they seem to have is the computed date. Terry Reigel

Dick Eastman recently mentioned Archive.org in his newsletter. One can send a paper copy, which Archive.org will scan, or scanned images, and Archive.org will make the work available to everyone (for as long as it exists, that is, of course). And by the way, Archive.org has tons of genealogical/local history material available, including images of the US censuses. Have downloaded dozens of books from it. Sam Here's a link to the article: http://blog.eogn.com/2015/09/21/how-to-make-a-book-available-to-everyone/ On Tue, Sep 22, 2015 at 11:45 PM, Jim Savage <savage1@ayrix.net> wrote: > There has been some discussion of how to leave your "stuff" so future > generations could use it. John what about adding an option to SS where we > could leave a hard copy of our web sites. Paper is the most reliable way so > far. > Jim >

In these cases I always put a note in the Memo "Birthdate calculated from age at death of X years, Y months, Z days." Marsha L. Ensminger marshaensminger@yahoo.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Van Dusen via <tmg@rootsweb.com> To: tmg@rootsweb.com Cc: Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2015 1:42 PM Subject: Re: [TMG] Date calculator in TMG Indeed, I have people whose very existence would be unknown to me except for discovering their gravestone, and the information thereon, in an old rural private cemetery. Therefore, a birthdate calculated from that information, however "imprecise" it might be, is all I'm likely ever to have. Rick Van Dusen On 9/22/2015 10:19 AM, Lee Hoffman/KY via wrote: : : : > You asked the right question there. Trying to determine a date from > one date and the number of day/months/years requires that you know > how those days/months/years was calculated. : : : > About all we can do is calculate dates is see what the result is. If > the result is reasonable based on other evidence, that is the date I > use. : : : > Lee The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TMG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you, John, Rick, and Lee for explaining the proper way of calculating the putative date of birth. On stones I've seen with birth and death dates plus years-months-days, it worked correctly whether working forward (from the date of birth) or backward (from the date of death). Lee, you solved the puzzle for me--every month is 30 days--so that, ok, 22 Feb to 22 Mar is one month; then 9 days left in March to day of death, 15 Apr, boom, that's 24. So, it works correctly working forward as well as backward. That's what puzzled me when I wondered about Feb. plus a leap year because when someone dies, one starts with the deceased's age at the last birthday and works forward to the day of death and it makes sense to ignore the actual number of days in each month. I was overthinking it after all. Thanks again to each of you. Sam On Tue, Sep 22, 2015 at 12:13 PM, John Cardinal via <tmg@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Sam, > > I think it works from smallest (days) to largest (years) when subtracting > dates. > > First, subtract the days from the given date. You started with 15 April > 1864, so subtract 24 days and you get 22 March 1864. > > Next, subtract a month, that yields 22 February 1864. > > Last, subtract 50 years, that yields 22 February 1814. > > John >

I wrote an article for NGSQ that touched on this question.* I looked at over 90 texts written in English or German and found that there were 3 methods taught for subtracting one date from another. (Unfortunately, we often have no way of knowing which method was used in a particular case.) And yes, they did worry about how many days were in a given month. 1. borrow the number of days in the month preceding the month in the minuend. A calendar-counting equivalent is to start with the date in the minuend, then count back days, then months, then years. [The same to reverse the calculation using subtraction. Based on my testing, this is the reversal method used by TMG, Roots Magic, and Legacy.] 2. borrow the number of days in the month in the subtrahend. One calendar-counting equivalent is to start with the date in the minuend, then count back years, then months, then days. [To reverse the calculation using subtraction, borrow the number of days in the month in the difference.] 3. always borrow 30. [The same to reverse the calculation using subtraction.] 4. Another method that I did not see in the arithmetic texts but which is theoretically possible is to borrow the number of days in the month given in the minuend. There is no sensible calendar-counting equivalent. [The same to reverse the calculation using subtraction.] If borrowing was involved in the original calculation, then you usually don't know which method was used for the original calculation. So, to subtract an interval/age from a date one should use all methods [in square brackets above] to reverse the calculation and consider all results equally valid. Hope this isn't too much more than you wanted to know :) Barbara * Barbara Levergood. "Calculating and Using Dates and Date Ranges." National Genealogical Society Quarterly 102 (March 2014): 51-75. See especially Table 18. On 9/22/2015 10:25 AM, Blah BlahBlah via wrote: > Hello, everyone, > > Another dumb question: does the TMG date calculator tool (or > others) take into consideration leap years and the month of February?? > > Distant cousin-in-law died 15 Apr 1864 (a leap year), aged 50-1-24. > Date calculator calculates his birth date as 22 Feb 1814, but that > seemed wrong to me--even assuming 28 days for Feb., then based on 22 > Feb to 15 Mar, well, that's just 21 days, not 24; throwing in the leap > year, well, then that's 22 days. So ... seems to me he was probably > born 20 Feb 1814, that is, 9 days in Feb. plus 15 days in March equals > 24 (March) and adding one month, brings us/me to Apr 24 > > Am I overthinking this?? (Or hah, showing my poor math skills??) > Does anyone know if waaay back then did they even worry about February > not being 30 or 31 days, or for that matter leap years? > > As ever, thanks. > > Sam > The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ > Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TMG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Barbara Levergood levergood@att.net (=^·^=)~

Indeed, I have people whose very existence would be unknown to me except for discovering their gravestone, and the information thereon, in an old rural private cemetery. Therefore, a birthdate calculated from that information, however "imprecise" it might be, is all I'm likely ever to have. Rick Van Dusen On 9/22/2015 10:19 AM, Lee Hoffman/KY via wrote: : : : > You asked the right question there. Trying to determine a date from > one date and the number of day/months/years requires that you know > how those days/months/years was calculated. : : : > About all we can do is calculate dates is see what the result is. If > the result is reasonable based on other evidence, that is the date I > use. : : : > Lee

At 9/22/2015 10:25, you wrote: > Another dumb question: does the TMG date calculator tool (or >others) take into consideration leap years and the month of February?? > > Distant cousin-in-law died 15 Apr 1864 (a leap year), aged 50-1-24. >Date calculator calculates his birth date as 22 Feb 1814, but that >seemed wrong to me--even assuming 28 days for Feb., then based on 22 >Feb to 15 Mar, well, that's just 21 days, not 24; throwing in the leap >year, well, then that's 22 days. So ... seems to me he was probably >born 20 Feb 1814, that is, 9 days in Feb. plus 15 days in March equals >24 (March) and adding one month, brings us/me to Apr 24 > > Am I overthinking this?? (Or hah, showing my poor math skills??) >Does anyone know if waaay back then did they even worry about February >not being 30 or 31 days, or for that matter leap years? You asked the right question there. Trying to determine a date from one date and the number of day/months/years requires that you know how those days/months/years was calculated. As John Cardinal says, the usual method is start from days and go to years. Most date calculation methods ignore leap year unless dealing with a known leap year. Further, if conversion of days is needed (subtracting a larger number of days from a smaller, or adding days to more than a month), what value is used to make the conversion -- 28, 29, 30 or 31? Most only add/subtract 30 days and let it go. But, we usually don't know what someone else did. About all we can do is calculate dates is see what the result is. If the result is reasonable based on other evidence, that is the date I use. For example, I know a death date, and the age in days/months/years. I also know from a family legend that the person was born three days before a documented event. So if the date calculation result gives a date three dates before the documented date then I know the calculations are right. On the other hand, because of the documented event, I probably didn;t need to do the date calculation anyway. <g> Lee

Sam, I think it works from smallest (days) to largest (years) when subtracting dates. First, subtract the days from the given date. You started with 15 April 1864, so subtract 24 days and you get 22 March 1864. Next, subtract a month, that yields 22 February 1864. Last, subtract 50 years, that yields 22 February 1814. John

Hello, everyone, Another dumb question: does the TMG date calculator tool (or others) take into consideration leap years and the month of February?? Distant cousin-in-law died 15 Apr 1864 (a leap year), aged 50-1-24. Date calculator calculates his birth date as 22 Feb 1814, but that seemed wrong to me--even assuming 28 days for Feb., then based on 22 Feb to 15 Mar, well, that's just 21 days, not 24; throwing in the leap year, well, then that's 22 days. So ... seems to me he was probably born 20 Feb 1814, that is, 9 days in Feb. plus 15 days in March equals 24 (March) and adding one month, brings us/me to Apr 24 Am I overthinking this?? (Or hah, showing my poor math skills??) Does anyone know if waaay back then did they even worry about February not being 30 or 31 days, or for that matter leap years? As ever, thanks. Sam

I've not used the TMG date calculator; in my pre-TMG days, I used MS Outlook's calendar, in a manner something like John describes: Go to date of death. Go back n days. Go back n months. Go back n years. It would be interesting to know how accurate this method is (but not interesting enough for me to test it myself<g>). It would also be interesting to know how the accuracy of this calculation compares to the accuracy of the original calculation (which appear on the gravestone or in contemporary records). I wonder if they didn't do it the same way we're describing here. Rick Van Dusen On 9/22/2015 9:13 AM, John Cardinal via wrote: > Sam, > > I think it works from smallest (days) to largest (years) when subtracting > dates. : : : > John

Thanks working great. -----Original Message----- From: tmg-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:tmg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Terry Reigel via Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 6:39 PM To: tmg@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TMG] Clueless questions about TMG On 9/21/2015 5:40 PM, Edward L. Monroe wrote: > So what you are saying the program still requires me to put in all the > serial numbers as if I just purchased it? I thought that Bob made a > change that did away with that. I must have been in a different > world. I guess I was still trying to get over the shock of TMG ending. > Edward, There is no change - serial numbers are still required. You need to enter the serial number, with the name and email address that was used when you purchased it, when you reinstall on a new computer. There is an issue that removes the serial number pretty frequently in Windows 8 and 10. If you have that issue the instructions for fixing it are in an article on my website, at http://tmg.reigelridge.com/new-computer-version.htm#unlock Terry The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TMG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On 9/21/15 5:40 PM, Edward L. Monroe via wrote: > So what you are saying the program still requires me to put in all the > serial numbers as if I just purchased it? I thought that Bob made a change > that did away with that. I must have been in a different world. I guess I > was still trying to get over the shock of TMG ending. It had been requested that Bob think of doing something like that, but it didn't happen. The issue may well be that TMG contains code that Bob licence from elsewhere and those license prohibit such an act (It might well be that part of the license fee goes to pay for some of these licenses). -- Richard Damon

On 9/21/15 10:41 AM, Sue Mayer via wrote: > Yes it is the default printer which is the setting I need but I don't > understand why it should affect TMG. I wonder if anybody else knows why? > > Sue There are a number of default properties that programs can get that are ultimately based on the default printer. If the printer isn't immediately available, when you ask windows for these, it will try and contract the printer to get them, and you have to wait for an error time out, at which point windows will fall back to a 'local default' value. It appears that for certain operations, TMG (or a library that TMG is using) is asking for some of these parameters at these times. Since this only people who turn off their default printer, it may never have turned up with the developers. -- Richard Damon

I have discovered that you don't need to change the Windows default printer. You can keep your default printer by changing the printer TMG uses. File Printer set up Change Windows default to a different selected printer. Sue

However, If this has not yet been stated, during the TRIAL period, you could, probably, export the data to a GEDCOM file most of which would be importable to most other genealogy software. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen Isaacson Leverich via" <tmg@rootsweb.com> To: "TMG" <tmg@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 11:37:24 AM Subject: [TMG] Tentative decision on the legacy TMG database and TMG software Thanks for all the advice! I'm definitely learning. I haven't yet attempted to install her TMG software, I'll first see what I can do in the 30-day free trial mode. I hadn't realized the license wasn't transferable, so won't even attempt to use her copy unless I encounter some unexpected bump (such as the database being too old to be viewed with the current versions, if such a thing is even possible.) The deceased was well acquainted with Bob Velke, or so her daughters tell me, so it's possible we might be able to get special permission to transfer the license. But I'd rather have my own license for the most current version, assuming I can make it work with her database, and I think I'll be able to get my own license using Terry's advice. However, we're not moving forward yet (and haven't started the 30 day clock). The .sqz file contained files from 2002. Her daughters are sure that there must be a newer database, so are currently looking for it. Thanks for the tips on where to look! (I don't have access to her computer, only files her daughters are sharing with me. That's sensible, as I'm sure there's a ton of private info on that computer which is none of my business!) This does raise questions about how to prepare for our own mortality. I don't have answers, but realize I'd be leaving a big mess for my family if I got run over by a bus this afternoon or something. Thanks again! Karen The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TMG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On 9/21/2015 5:40 PM, Edward L. Monroe wrote: > So what you are saying the program still requires me to put in all the > serial numbers as if I just purchased it? I thought that Bob made a change > that did away with that. I must have been in a different world. I guess I > was still trying to get over the shock of TMG ending. > Edward, There is no change - serial numbers are still required. You need to enter the serial number, with the name and email address that was used when you purchased it, when you reinstall on a new computer. There is an issue that removes the serial number pretty frequently in Windows 8 and 10. If you have that issue the instructions for fixing it are in an article on my website, at http://tmg.reigelridge.com/new-computer-version.htm#unlock Terry

Nope - I don't know why - but I had the same issue a few years ago and it was found to be due to a networked printer which I had set up as default. When not attached to the network the printer could not be found and TMG slowed down. I just set my default to a PDF writer and it resolved everything. Chris -----Original Message----- From: tmg-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:tmg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Sue Mayer via Sent: 21 September 2015 15:41 To: Lee Hoffman/KY; tmg@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TMG] TMG running a bit slow Yes it is the default printer which is the setting I need but I don't understand why it should affect TMG. I wonder if anybody else knows why? Sue On 21/09/2015 15:09, Lee Hoffman/KY wrote: > At 9/21/2015 09:23, you wrote: >> I am pleased that I solved it but wonder why TMG pauses to try and >> connect to the printer even if I don't want to do any printing. Does >> anybody know why? > > Glad you found the culprit. As for why, I can only guess that it is > related to how you have the printer installed and designated within > Windows. I have a number of seldom used printers (label printers, > etc) attached to my computer. Most of these are only turned on when I > need them. But they make no difference to my system. Is the new > printer marked in Windows as the default printer? The installation > may have set it that way, and that may be why it is slowing things > down. Other than that, I have no clue. > > Lee > > The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TMG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

So what you are saying the program still requires me to put in all the serial numbers as if I just purchased it? I thought that Bob made a change that did away with that. I must have been in a different world. I guess I was still trying to get over the shock of TMG ending. -----Original Message----- From: tmg-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:tmg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Terry Reigel via Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 8:18 AM To: tmg@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TMG] Clueless questions about TMG On 9/21/2015 2:11 AM, Edward L. Monroe via wrote: > Lee, I decided to use my TMG since it went defunct. I skipped all the > serial number stuff. I found out that the add button does not work > nor can I print anything. Do you have any idea as to what I have done wrong? Edward, Sure. You said it. You "skipped all the serial number stuff." Terry Reigel The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TMG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message