Michael, Let me add my thanks for providing the filter on List of Events which generates a list of these non-symmetric marriage events. I found quite a number of such events in my own file and it has been instructive, at least in a few cases, to have my attention brought to those marriages. I also wanted to mention that my usual procedure for adding a spouse to an individual who is already in my database is to do an "Add wife", or "Add husband", as appropriate. I have left the (default, I think) TMG prompt for a marriage tag, so after entering the new spouse's individual details the marriage tag screen comes up. I don't know off hand why I have a considerable number of asymmetric marriage tags, but I did start with TMG 5 (or maybe 4?) so there's been lots of scope for strange things to happen! John Cordes On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 10:39:15AM -0600, Michael J. Hannah via wrote: > This thread has been discussing an obscure condition where the two > Principals do not both have their joint Marriage tag marked Primary. > > There is a concept of entering Marriage tags which will almost always > ensure that TMG will automatically mark both Principals as Primary. > > The concept is that when you add a new Marriage tag, always link both > Principals as part of the creation of that tag. Don't add and exit > creating the tag with only one Principal assigned. There are two > data-entry practices which will accomplish that. > > A- Ensure both spouses are added to the database BEFORE you add their > Marriage tag. Then you can assign both spouses either by directly > entering their IDs or using the Picklist as part of adding that new tag. > > B- If one spouse is not yet added, begin to add the Marriage tag to the > existing spouse. But BEFORE you OK out of that new tag, put your cursor > in the ID number field of the "other" spouse and click the "Add Person" > icon in the upper right of the Tag Entry window of this new Marriage tag > to add the other spouse. Once that spouse is entered, you can now > finally OK out of creating the new Marriage tag. > > Either method will aid TMG in ensuring appropriate settings for Primary. > > Hope this helps, > > Michael > > P.S. There are still ways the Primary settings could become > non-symmetric, including inadvertently doing it to your self, so the > Filter on the LOE should still be run once in a while as part of > "clean-up" actions on your project.

How do you add a divorce date to the tree print-outs? Does it expand all the boxes or just the one with the divorce date and that generation? FYI - so far no problems with my Windows 10 update on my Sony Vaio laptop. Al

This thread has been discussing an obscure condition where the two Principals do not both have their joint Marriage tag marked Primary. There is a concept of entering Marriage tags which will almost always ensure that TMG will automatically mark both Principals as Primary. The concept is that when you add a new Marriage tag, always link both Principals as part of the creation of that tag. Don't add and exit creating the tag with only one Principal assigned. There are two data-entry practices which will accomplish that. A- Ensure both spouses are added to the database BEFORE you add their Marriage tag. Then you can assign both spouses either by directly entering their IDs or using the Picklist as part of adding that new tag. B- If one spouse is not yet added, begin to add the Marriage tag to the existing spouse. But BEFORE you OK out of that new tag, put your cursor in the ID number field of the "other" spouse and click the "Add Person" icon in the upper right of the Tag Entry window of this new Marriage tag to add the other spouse. Once that spouse is entered, you can now finally OK out of creating the new Marriage tag. Either method will aid TMG in ensuring appropriate settings for Primary. Hope this helps, Michael P.S. There are still ways the Primary settings could become non-symmetric, including inadvertently doing it to your self, so the Filter on the LOE should still be run once in a while as part of "clean-up" actions on your project.

Yes, that explains it very well. Thanks, Joyce -----Original Message----- From: tmg-bounces@rootsweb.com On Behalf Of Michael J. Hannah via Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2015 8:13 PM To: TMG-L submission address Subject: Re: [TMG] Missing marriage dates Joyce responded: > Thanks for providing the LOE marriage filter. Glad you found it useful. > Once I get these cleaned up, does this mean that as long as I'm > running version 9.05, it will never be a problem in the future? Unfortunately, no. It will be "much, much" less of a problem as V9 sets the Primary indicator appropriately for "most" ways people use to enter tags in the Marriage group. But there are still several ways you can wind up with this non-symmetrical Primary setting by actions "you" take and which TMG cannot automatically "guess" what you want. As the footnote I cited in my on-line book states: "As of Version 8.05 whether or not the marriage tag is Primary for the focus person, the Primary designation now is automatically set for the other spouse in either of the two standard conditions: when an existing person is linked as the other spouse to a marriage tag, or when a new spouse person is created and linked from within a marriage tag." Most times TMG will help, but not always. Maybe an example would help. Let's say you found the information that Fred got engaged to some unknown lady so you entered a tag for Fred of the standard Engagement tag type to record this data. But that tag type is in the Marriage group. Assuming this is Fred's first tag in the Marriage group this Engagement tag will be marked Primary for his Marriage information. Now sometime later you discover a marriage record which shows the engagement was for Fred to Mary. You first add the new Marriage tag only to Fred and OK. Now maybe you add the marriage record as a source. Then you add Mary to the database. Now you come back to Fred's Marriage tag and Edit it to add the citation, and link Mary to this new Marriage tag as his spouse. As of V8.05 this Marriage tag automatically will be made Primary for Mary as it is (likely) her first tag of any tag type in the Marriage group. *BUT* it will *NOT* be made Primary for Fred, because Fred already has a Primary tag in the Marriage group, that old Engagement tag. This Marriage tag is now Primary for Mary but not for Fred. (Try it.) You need to manually set that new Marriage tag as Primary for Fred. Of course that is easy to forget to do. <sigh> That is just one example. Of course, while viewing any person where the Primary indicators are symmetrical, a user "could" select a Marriage tag, press the '*' (asterisk) key, and _manually_ make this tag non-Primary for this person while leaving their spouse still Primary. You *can* shoot yourself in the foot. That is why I developed (and posted) the Filter, because I have been known to do just that to myself! Hope this helps explain, Michael

Joyce responded: > Thanks for providing the LOE marriage filter. Glad you found it useful. > Once I get these cleaned up, does this mean that > as long as I'm running version 9.05, > it will never be a problem in the future? Unfortunately, no. It will be "much, much" less of a problem as V9 sets the Primary indicator appropriately for "most" ways people use to enter tags in the Marriage group. But there are still several ways you can wind up with this non-symmetrical Primary setting by actions "you" take and which TMG cannot automatically "guess" what you want. As the footnote I cited in my on-line book states: "As of Version 8.05 whether or not the marriage tag is Primary for the focus person, the Primary designation now is automatically set for the other spouse in either of the two standard conditions: when an existing person is linked as the other spouse to a marriage tag, or when a new spouse person is created and linked from within a marriage tag." Most times TMG will help, but not always. Maybe an example would help. Let's say you found the information that Fred got engaged to some unknown lady so you entered a tag for Fred of the standard Engagement tag type to record this data. But that tag type is in the Marriage group. Assuming this is Fred's first tag in the Marriage group this Engagement tag will be marked Primary for his Marriage information. Now sometime later you discover a marriage record which shows the engagement was for Fred to Mary. You first add the new Marriage tag only to Fred and OK. Now maybe you add the marriage record as a source. Then you add Mary to the database. Now you come back to Fred's Marriage tag and Edit it to add the citation, and link Mary to this new Marriage tag as his spouse. As of V8.05 this Marriage tag automatically will be made Primary for Mary as it is (likely) her first tag of any tag type in the Marriage group. *BUT* it will *NOT* be made Primary for Fred, because Fred already has a Primary tag in the Marriage group, that old Engagement tag. This Marriage tag is now Primary for Mary but not for Fred. (Try it.) You need to manually set that new Marriage tag as Primary for Fred. Of course that is easy to forget to do. <sigh> That is just one example. Of course, while viewing any person where the Primary indicators are symmetrical, a user "could" select a Marriage tag, press the '*' (asterisk) key, and _manually_ make this tag non-Primary for this person while leaving their spouse still Primary. You *can* shoot yourself in the foot. That is why I developed (and posted) the Filter, because I have been known to do just that to myself! Hope this helps explain, Michael

Michael, Thanks for providing the LOE marriage filter. I have had this problem many times in the past but haven't run into it for a couple of years. I thought they were all cleaned up, but just ran the filter and discovered 14 unbalanced tags! Once I get these cleaned up, does this mean that as long as I'm running version 9.05, it will never be a problem in the future? Thanks, Joyce -----Original Message----- From: tmg-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:tmg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Michael J. Hannah via Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2015 5:55 PM To: TMG-L submission address Subject: Re: [TMG] Missing marriage dates Judy Madnick observed that her problem of missing marriage dates in some charts and reports was caused by the Marriage tag being marked Primary for one Principal/spouse but not for the other. This issue came up quite some time ago, and it was difficult to find the cause back then. (Well spotted, Judy!) Users are generally unaware that whether a spouse will have their Marriage tag marked Primary depends upon how they entered that tag and how they linked the spouses to that tag. How the Primary designation is automatically set is outlined in the "Tag Type Descriptions" chapter of my on-line book. See the discussion of "Primary" in the "Tag Attributes" topic of that chapter: http://www.mjh-nm.net/TAGCUSTM.HTML#TagPrimary The footnote to that explanation of Primary goes into some detail about versions prior to V8.05 causing the issue Judy spotted of both spouses not being Primary to their Marriage tag. Tags in the Marriage group which were added prior to V8.05 "may" have this issue if the tag and links were created as described in this footnote. http://www.mjh-nm.net/TAGCUSTM.HTML#pgfId-1270806 That footnote also gives an example of a detailed Filter which can be used with a List of Events report to identify all Marriage group tags with non-symmetric Primary designations. Tags identified by such a report should be carefully reviewed as there are rare cases where you may wish to have non-symmetric Primary designations, especially if there are multiple Marriage Group tags for the same Principals. Judy, since you have at least some of these Marriage tags, you may wish to use this LOE Filter to identify any other such tags. Hope this helps explain this obscure issue, Michael The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TMG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Just want to say a big thanks to all who helped. I now have 9.5, and the installer has been saved to a cd. Burning a cd is much easier on 8.1 than on xp! Wow. Thanks again. gypsy

On 10/25/15 2:50 PM, gypsy via wrote: > Thanks guys for the suggestions. Boss had several surgeries and > hospitalizations since I bought version 9 and I have no clue where all that > stuff is. > > But I do have the serial number etc. printed that out ages - cause we lose > stuff. :) > > I have version 9.4 so apparently I am shy an update. Can I save the > installer to a flash drive or must it be on a cd? > > gypsy > > Flash drive is fine. Normally the updates were downloaded to the hard disk and just run. (But you now want to make sure you have saved it someplace safe) -- Richard Damon

Thanks guys for the suggestions. Boss had several surgeries and hospitalizations since I bought version 9 and I have no clue where all that stuff is. But I do have the serial number etc. printed that out ages - cause we lose stuff. :) I have version 9.4 so apparently I am shy an update. Can I save the installer to a flash drive or must it be on a cd? gypsy -----Original Message----- From: tmg-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:tmg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Michael J. Hannah via Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2015 2:40 PM To: TMG-L submission address <TMG@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [TMG] cost of TMG Gypsy asked: > Computer is going in for some work. I cannot find the CD of TMG. > I purchased 9 in april 2014, cost of $74.95... > can someone tell me if this was the cost of the program plus cd > - or just the download? Not really relevant, Gypsy, as a CD is no longer available. Further, you do not want the installer file on that CD as it was certainly an earlier version of V9 than the final version. The full installer file of the final version of V9 can still be obtained by download, and you can then save it by writing it on your own CD. See: http://www.whollygenes.com/forums201/index.php?/topic/15915-tmg9-final-insta llers/ You want to be sure you have your unlock information, which consists of the name and email address used to purchase it, plus the unlock code. Hopefully you saved this information somewhere? If not, before your computer goes in for some work, run your installed TMG V9 program. Under the "Help" menu choose "Technical Support". On that pop-up window choose "Trouble Report". Now open that report. At the top will be: User Name Email Serial number Be sure to save these with the downloaded installer file so if necessary you can re-install and unlock TMG after your computer has work done. Hope this helps, Michael The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TMG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On 10/25/2015 1:26 PM, gypsy via wrote: > Computer is going in for some work. I cannot find the CD of TMG. I > purchased 9 in april 2014, cost of $74.95. Life was a total zoo then - can > someone tell me if this was the cost of the program plus cd - or just the > download? Gypsy, I think that was the cost of the program with a CD. But why do you ask? The CD, if you could find it, is unlikely to be of any use. From the date, it was likely an early version of TMG 9, which was updated several times since, with changes in the file structure. Assuming you made the free upgrades, if you installed that version it would not be able to open your current Project files. If you have not downloaded and saved in a safe place a copy of the latest installer you should do that while you still can. See my article on "The Future for TMG Users" for details, at http://tmg.reigelridge.com/future.htm#wait Terry Reigel

Strange request. Computer is going in for some work. I cannot find the CD of TMG. I purchased 9 in april 2014, cost of $74.95. Life was a total zoo then - can someone tell me if this was the cost of the program plus cd - or just the download? This memory business is getting tedious! gypsy

I recently had to reinstall Windows and TMG. Now when I create a report (after clicking Create Report) , I get a program error box with the message "Cannot update the cursor STRINGS, since it is read-only." Clicking Help gives no help, clicking Cancel aborts the report, and clicking Ignore I get the same message once more, then the report generates. It doesn't seem to be anything to do with Strings.dbf in the Program Files folder, as that is not read-only. Anyone know what this means, and how to cure it? It's not a major problem , as the report generates eventually. Neil

Gypsy asked: > Computer is going in for some work. I cannot find the CD of TMG. > I purchased 9 in april 2014, cost of $74.95... > can someone tell me if this was the cost of the program plus cd > - or just the download? Not really relevant, Gypsy, as a CD is no longer available. Further, you do not want the installer file on that CD as it was certainly an earlier version of V9 than the final version. The full installer file of the final version of V9 can still be obtained by download, and you can then save it by writing it on your own CD. See: http://www.whollygenes.com/forums201/index.php?/topic/15915-tmg9-final-installers/ You want to be sure you have your unlock information, which consists of the name and email address used to purchase it, plus the unlock code. Hopefully you saved this information somewhere? If not, before your computer goes in for some work, run your installed TMG V9 program. Under the "Help" menu choose "Technical Support". On that pop-up window choose "Trouble Report". Now open that report. At the top will be: User Name Email Serial number Be sure to save these with the downloaded installer file so if necessary you can re-install and unlock TMG after your computer has work done. Hope this helps, Michael

I have never been able to get the TMG pdf printer to work, nor some of the other vendor-supplied ones (Quicken, eg). Some time after installing Win 10 I noticed their MS pdf printer. Works great, plus you can print a single page, or a collection as a single document. And it works with other applications. Bob On 10/25/2015 9:10 AM, Tami Dolan via wrote: > ...no I have not tried using the Microsoft PDF printer. I have an older > version of Adobe Acrobat, so I have the Adobe PDF that I can use. Teresa, > I have set TMG to run as administrator and created a shortcut using the > task scheduler so that I won't get the UAC prompt everytime I start TMG. > After I sent the email, I did find where someone posted you had to run TMG > as an admin to get the print to PDF to work. > > -- > Bob Geldart > Maynard, MA > <BGeldart@verizon.net>

Wade, no I have not tried using the Microsoft PDF printer. I have an older version of Adobe Acrobat, so I have the Adobe PDF that I can use. Teresa, I have set TMG to run as administrator and created a shortcut using the task scheduler so that I won't get the UAC prompt everytime I start TMG. After I sent the email, I did find where someone posted you had to run TMG as an admin to get the print to PDF to work. Tami On Sun, Oct 25, 2015 at 2:13 AM, Wade Oram <wml@wtoram.co.uk> wrote: > On 24/10/2015 18:00, Tami Dolan via wrote: > > Teresa, > > > > Did you ever get this worked out? I'm having the same problem. I have > > tried uninstalling the printer and the driver. Opened the program with > "run > > as administrator" can print to PDF fine. Opened the program normally > (not > > as admin) get "printer not activated" error message. Closed out of > program. > > Reopened with run as admin, told it to install the PDF printer, and > printed > > fine. Closed program. Went in again normally, not as admin, but still > get > > "printer not activated" error message. I'm running on Windows 10, 64 > bit. > > Has anyone gotten this to work? I'm especially concerned about it since > > there will be no further updates to TMG. > > > > Tami > > > > Have you tried using the Microsoft PDF printer supplied with Windows10. > Use print to printer and select the MS PDF printer. > > I have not used it extensively but the limited experiments that I have > done with it have all worked fine. > > > -- > Wade Oram >

On 24/10/2015 18:00, Tami Dolan via wrote: > Teresa, > > Did you ever get this worked out? I'm having the same problem. I have > tried uninstalling the printer and the driver. Opened the program with "run > as administrator" can print to PDF fine. Opened the program normally (not > as admin) get "printer not activated" error message. Closed out of program. > Reopened with run as admin, told it to install the PDF printer, and printed > fine. Closed program. Went in again normally, not as admin, but still get > "printer not activated" error message. I'm running on Windows 10, 64 bit. > Has anyone gotten this to work? I'm especially concerned about it since > there will be no further updates to TMG. > > Tami > Have you tried using the Microsoft PDF printer supplied with Windows10. Use print to printer and select the MS PDF printer. I have not used it extensively but the limited experiments that I have done with it have all worked fine. -- Wade Oram

Judy Madnick observed that her problem of missing marriage dates in some charts and reports was caused by the Marriage tag being marked Primary for one Principal/spouse but not for the other. This issue came up quite some time ago, and it was difficult to find the cause back then. (Well spotted, Judy!) Users are generally unaware that whether a spouse will have their Marriage tag marked Primary depends upon how they entered that tag and how they linked the spouses to that tag. How the Primary designation is automatically set is outlined in the "Tag Type Descriptions" chapter of my on-line book. See the discussion of "Primary" in the "Tag Attributes" topic of that chapter: http://www.mjh-nm.net/TAGCUSTM.HTML#TagPrimary The footnote to that explanation of Primary goes into some detail about versions prior to V8.05 causing the issue Judy spotted of both spouses not being Primary to their Marriage tag. Tags in the Marriage group which were added prior to V8.05 "may" have this issue if the tag and links were created as described in this footnote. http://www.mjh-nm.net/TAGCUSTM.HTML#pgfId-1270806 That footnote also gives an example of a detailed Filter which can be used with a List of Events report to identify all Marriage group tags with non-symmetric Primary designations. Tags identified by such a report should be carefully reviewed as there are rare cases where you may wish to have non-symmetric Primary designations, especially if there are multiple Marriage Group tags for the same Principals. Judy, since you have at least some of these Marriage tags, you may wish to use this LOE Filter to identify any other such tags. Hope this helps explain this obscure issue, Michael

At 01:40 PM 10/24/2015, Lee Hoffman/KY via wrote: >At 10/24/2015 12:44, you wrote: > >I had this same problem and tried many ways to get a valid export. > >Finally I did it in Safe Mode and it worked great > >Safe mode means that you were _not_ connected to the internet. That >is, no backups were being made to the cloud. You should not have any >backup being made of your TMG folders while TMG is running. This Odds are good that any "local" automatic backup (software that is commonly included with external Firewire/USB hard-drives, and might have been installed) was also disabled in safe mode. In short, ANY backup scheme that monitors the system for file changes should not be running if it is looking at any directory containing TMG data. I've never used such automatic back-up -- my external drives were purchased to provide additional storage (only one is used for back-ups, and that one is under control of a scheduled backup system that runs around midnight each week-end, doing one data partition each week. (The rollover scheme appears to go by 6-months, not 6-backups -- and the drive is too small to hold 24 differential backups per partition; 640GB free out 4TB) -- bieber.genealogy@earthlink.net Dennis Lee Bieber HTTP://home.earthlink.net/~bieber.genealogy/

I had to not run as administrator. If run as admin works right click on icon ans select prperties and the run as admin. This should fix it permanently. Teresa Elliott > On Oct 24, 2015, at 12:00 PM, Tami Dolan via <tmg@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Teresa, > > Did you ever get this worked out? I'm having the same problem. I have > tried uninstalling the printer and the driver. Opened the program with "run > as administrator" can print to PDF fine. Opened the program normally (not > as admin) get "printer not activated" error message. Closed out of program. > Reopened with run as admin, told it to install the PDF printer, and printed > fine. Closed program. Went in again normally, not as admin, but still get > "printer not activated" error message. I'm running on Windows 10, 64 bit. > Has anyone gotten this to work? I'm especially concerned about it since > there will be no further updates to TMG. > > Tami > > -----Original Message----- > From: tmg-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:tmg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf > Of Teresa Elliott > Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 11:23 AM > To: tmg@rootsweb.com > Subject: [TMG] Printer not activated > > Trying to send a journal report to PDF. I have the wireless printer > selected as the default printer. But I am getting Printer not activated, > error code -30. > > > > > > ------------------------------- > All messages to the list must be sent in plain text. > ------------------------------- > When you reply to a message, please make sure that you DELETE the quoted > text, signature, and end material that is not pertinent to your reply. > ------------------------------- > When you reply to a message, please make sure that you Change the Subject of > the message as needed. If you are replying to a Digest, this is a must do. > ------------------------------- > For searching the list archives and other list information, please go to > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html. > To contact the TMG List Administrator, send a message to > TMG-admin@rootsweb.com. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TMG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ > Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TMG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

At 10/24/2015 12:44, you wrote: >I had this same problem and tried many ways to get a valid export. >Finally I did it in Safe Mode and it worked great Safe mode means that you were _not_ connected to the internet. That is, no backups were being made to the cloud. You should not have any backup being made of your TMG folders while TMG is running. This especially includes Exporting, Importing, Backups, and Restores. Those files should always be on the local computer -- either downloaded to the computer before operations or copied after operations to folders that are backed up to the cloud. It is best to always select the TMG folders to not be part of you cloud backup. Lee