I am trying to make a chart that contains everyone in my TMG Database. I seem to remember that there was a way of doing it but I can't find it in the archives. Can anyone help? Many thanks, Suzie Suzie Morley Suffolk, England

I have two versions of the same family tree that I want to merge. Each has several thousand entries. At the moment I have them both in the same project and data set. They are differentiated by flags. What I want is the union of the two. Can someone point to a guide or a discussion of best practice for merging the two trees? Cheers, David

David, Do the individuals have ID numbers of 1:?? And 2:?? If they do you have two datasets in one project. The datasets have not been merged yet. I am interested in the recommendations Terry and Lee have. I have a similar situation but I have not merged the two projects yet. Nancy -----Original Message----- From: tmg-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:tmg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of David via Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2015 1:45 PM To: Terry Reigel; tmg@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TMG] howto merge two family trees On 11/7/2015 2:33 PM, Terry Reigel via wrote: > On 11/7/2015 2:15 PM, David via wrote: >> I have two versions of the same family tree that I want to merge. >> Each has several thousand entries. At the moment I have them both in >> the same project and data set. They are differentiated by flags. >> What I want is the union of the two. >> >> Can someone point to a guide or a discussion of best practice for >> merging the two trees? >> > David, > > I don't understand. If they are in the same data set I'd say they are > already merged. What else you do you want to do with them? > > Terry Reigel > The TMG archive is found here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ > Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TMG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > Terry, There are two versions of almost all of the individuals, one from each tree. I want to combine them into a single family tree. David The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TMG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

At 11/7/2015 09:32, you wrote: >I am trying to make a chart that contains everyone in my TMG Database. I >seem to remember that there was a way of doing it but I can't find it in the >archives. Can anyone help? Many thanks, Suzie As Terry said, TMG does not produce all-in-one charts. You can create multiple charts and then in Visual ChartForm edit one and copy the others onto it and conneting them by adding lines as needed. Not a real hard job, but somewhat tedious. Lee

On 11/7/2015 9:32 AM, Suzie Morley via wrote: > I am trying to make a chart that contains everyone in my TMG Database. I > seem to remember that there was a way of doing it but I can't find it in the > archives. Can anyone help? Many thanks, Suzie > Suzie, TMG does not produce an "All in One Chart." Terry Reigel

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Richard Damon responded to my comments: >>> My bigger complaint is that TMG doesn't really have a way >>> to indicate that a date is Julian (aka Old Style) >> ... TMG *does* have a way to indicate a single year date >> which falls within your "Old style date range" as being >> an Old Style date... irregular date... > I wouldn't consider this 'support' for Julian dates... Nor do I, Richard. But TMG does have a way to "indicate" that a date is Julian (aka Old Style), which is what you asked for. Are there problems with using an irregular date in TMG? You bet! But can you "indicate" that a date is Julian (aka Old Style) in your TMG report output? Yes. It all depends on what you meant by "indicate". > ... treating Julian dates as if they were Gregorian > (which is what most programs do) just seems to work. Yes, which is also what TMG does with single year dates. > ... many will support the double year notation, as this is a > common notational issue, but many assume that it is related to > the Julian/Gregorian switchover (which it really isn't... > actually should be used for ANY Julian date in the Jan-Mar time > frame where the Julian date uses the March year change, > not just those after 1582... And as I noted earlier, the only function of the "Old style date range" in TMG's Preferences is to recognize three "short hand" data entry codes as specifying a double year notation instead of their "normal" data entry meaning when entered within that date range. That preference setting really has nothing to do with the Julian/Gregorian switchover, although that is what most users "think" it is for. It is simply a way to provide data entry of double year dates. In TMG you could expand the "Old style date range" to a very wide range of years. Then those three data entry codes would trigger double year notation throughout that date range. The consequence of doing that is the '/' and '-' codes to enter a "between" range of dates now can not be used within that date range. Instead the textual data entry formats for "between" would have to be used. What date range will aid the data entry of the kinds of dates a user usually encounters is up to the user. Michael

On 11/3/15 4:30 PM, Michael J. Hannah via wrote: > Richard Damon commented on this topic: >> My bigger complaint is that TMG doesn't really have a way >> to indicate that a date is Julian (aka Old Style), only that >> it should be double dated (only Old Style dates can be >> double dated, but not all Old Style dates should be double dated). > But Richard, as I noted in my reply to Barbara, TMG *does* have a way to > indicate a single year date which falls within your "Old style date > range" as being an Old Style date. > > I noted: >> if you wish to output a date using an Old Style single year format, >> enter "24 Feb 1691 OS" in the Date field, *BUT* put a non-breaking >> space (Alt + 255 on the numeric keypad) between the year and 'OS'. >> TMG will now treat that date as irregular and output it as entered. >> Now be sure to enter a regular date using any of the recognized >> input formats such as "24 Feb 1691/92" or "24 Feb 1692 OS" in >> the Sort Date field so it will sort appropriately. I wouldn't consider this 'support' for Julian dates, anymore than the fact we can enter irregular date support for the Quaker Dating system or the Jewish Calendar. (One big factor is that making a date irregular affects so many things). I am not sure if I have ever seen a program that REALLY handles Julian dates properly (i.e. knows the difference between the types of dates and fully handles the differences). I suspect the problem is that to someone not really aware of the issues, treating Julian dates as if they were Gregorian (which is what most programs do) just seems to work. You will find that many will support the double year notation, as this is a common notational issue, but many assume that it is related to the Julian/Gregorian switchover (which it really isn't, it is caused by the change of the start of year which was forced by the Gregorian calendar, but also occurred prior for some usages, and actually should be used for ANY Julian date in the Jan-Mar time frame where the Julian date uses the March year change, not just those after 1582 unless the program REALLY supports that form of the Julian calendar and treats Jan xxxx as after Dec xxxx). -- Richard Damon

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On 11/5/2015 8:22 AM, Tracy Reinhardt via wrote: > Just realized that when I print out a family group sheet, the report > actually gives NOTHING on the birth, marriage and death dates of the main > couple, just the names of their parents. Am I missing something, has > something been turned off that I should turn on, or is this a big goof. > Tracy , It works fine for me. What settings do you have on the Tags tab of Options? You can turn off all the Tags there. Terry Reigel

Thank You. That's exactly what it was, ....I just couldn't figure it out!!! tracy reinhardt On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 7:40 AM, Terry Reigel via <tmg@rootsweb.com> wrote: > On 11/5/2015 8:22 AM, Tracy Reinhardt via wrote: > > Just realized that when I print out a family group sheet, the report > > actually gives NOTHING on the birth, marriage and death dates of the main > > couple, just the names of their parents. Am I missing something, has > > something been turned off that I should turn on, or is this a big goof. > > > > Tracy , > > It works fine for me. What settings do you have on the Tags tab of > Options? You can turn off all the Tags there. > > Terry Reigel > > > The TMG archive is found here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ > Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TMG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Just realized that when I print out a family group sheet, the report actually gives NOTHING on the birth, marriage and death dates of the main couple, just the names of their parents. Am I missing something, has something been turned off that I should turn on, or is this a big goof. tracy reinhardt

Judy, Terry commented on changing the indent in Second Site. If your report is being sent to a word processor rather than Second Site it's also easy to make the adjustment there. TMG implements the LIND command by setting the text with a 1-inch left paragraph indent (at least for a report sent to Microsoft Word). In Word you can use the Find command to select in one step all the text in the report with that paragraph format. While the text is still selected use the Format/Paragraph command to change all of it in one step to the left and right indent you prefer. I haven't worked as much with TMG 9, but in TMG 7 no text other than the LIND text was generated with the 1-inch indent, so this single-step paragraph format change affected only LIND text. -----Original Message----- From: tmg-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:tmg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Judy Madnick via Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2015 5:48 PM To: Terry Reigel; tmg@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TMG] Adjusting indent I guess I'll just have to deal with the large indent. Thanks for the quick reply! Judy On Nov 3, 2015 8:34 PM, "Terry Reigel via" <tmg@rootsweb.com> wrote: > On 11/3/2015 7:20 PM, Judy Madnick via wrote: > > I would like to try using > > > > [:CR:][:CR:]An obituary or death notice reads as follows: > > [:CR:][LIND:][M][:LIND] > > > > so that obituaries are indented. > > > > Is there a way to adjust the amount of indentation that the :LIND > > code > provides? > > > > > Judy, > > Not in TMG reports. > > You can in Second Site, and even make it into a full indent on both > sides, have it change the font size, and more. > > Terry Reigel

Thanks very much Terry and Donald. Yes, I guess it is the output for the marriage tag in journal reports that I'm trying to change, where I don't know the father of a child, or the family doesn't wish to include him in reports - so I'll follow Donald's suggestions and options. I'd actually like to have no output at all sometimes so I guess that's just a different role/no sentence. I did think that I was getting an "unknown spouse" listed in descendant charts for any child whose father isn't in TMG but will double check that. These charts aren't so significant for my purposes. Thank you both again Ann -----Original Message----- From: tmg-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:tmg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Terry Reigel via Sent: Wednesday, 4 November 2015 10:38 AM To: tmg@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TMG] Changing the "unknown spouse" output in reports? On 11/2/2015 10:39 PM, Ann Carson via wrote: > I'm wondering whether I can change this output in a similar way to > using the Narrative Child tag? > > The main thing I'd like to do is have "unknown partner" as an output option. > > Is this possible? Ann, Where, exactly, are you seeing this? I had assumed, since you mention the NarrativeChild tag, it was in the list of children in a Journal when you have children when only one parent is recorded. But it doesn't occur there in my testing. Are you referring to the output of the Marriage Tag, as Donald is thinking? If so, working with that Tag as he suggests is the solution. Terry Reigel The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TMG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I guess I'll just have to deal with the large indent. Thanks for the quick reply! Judy On Nov 3, 2015 8:34 PM, "Terry Reigel via" <tmg@rootsweb.com> wrote: > On 11/3/2015 7:20 PM, Judy Madnick via wrote: > > I would like to try using > > > > [:CR:][:CR:]An obituary or death notice reads as follows: > > [:CR:][LIND:][M][:LIND] > > > > so that obituaries are indented. > > > > Is there a way to adjust the amount of indentation that the :LIND code > provides? > > > > > Judy, > > Not in TMG reports. > > You can in Second Site, and even make it into a full indent on both > sides, have it change the font size, and more. > > Terry Reigel > The TMG archive is found here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ > Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TMG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

On 11/3/2015 7:20 PM, Judy Madnick via wrote: > I would like to try using > > [:CR:][:CR:]An obituary or death notice reads as follows: > [:CR:][LIND:][M][:LIND] > > so that obituaries are indented. > > Is there a way to adjust the amount of indentation that the :LIND code provides? > > Judy, Not in TMG reports. You can in Second Site, and even make it into a full indent on both sides, have it change the font size, and more. Terry Reigel

I would like to try using [:CR:][:CR:]An obituary or death notice reads as follows: [:CR:][LIND:][M][:LIND] so that obituaries are indented. Is there a way to adjust the amount of indentation that the :LIND code provides? Thanks! Judy Madnick Albany, NY

On 11/3/2015 6:51 PM, Ann Carson wrote: > Thanks very much Terry and Donald. > > Yes, I guess it is the output for the marriage tag in journal reports that > I'm trying to change, where I don't know the father of a child, or the > family doesn't wish to include him in reports - so I'll follow Donald's > suggestions and options. I'd actually like to have no output at all > sometimes so I guess that's just a different role/no sentence. You're welcome, Ann. Where I know there was a prior marriage but don't know the name, I've sometimes entered a Marriage tag and edited the Sentence to say "unknown man" or the like. You could make it an "unknown partner" if you wanted. When I know the name of the spouse but don't want his or her name to appear in my website because they are still living, I've changed the spouse to a witness, made the reference conditional, and changed the Sentence to say "to a person who is still living." This does not produce a good result in a Journal since the name and the phrase would appear, but it would alert me to fix it should I output that person in a Journal. Terry

On 11/2/2015 10:39 PM, Ann Carson via wrote: > I'm wondering whether I can change this output in a similar way to using the > Narrative Child tag? > > The main thing I'd like to do is have "unknown partner" as an output option. > > Is this possible? Ann, Where, exactly, are you seeing this? I had assumed, since you mention the NarrativeChild tag, it was in the list of children in a Journal when you have children when only one parent is recorded. But it doesn't occur there in my testing. Are you referring to the output of the Marriage Tag, as Donald is thinking? If so, working with that Tag as he suggests is the solution. Terry Reigel

You are welcome, Ann. Yes, you can suppress the printing of the marriage by using a non-printing version of the marriage tag, but you may need to do a bit more to be sure the "sensitive" person is not mentioned at all in the journal report. If the couple has other two-principal tags for which the sentence structure includes both you will need to use non-printing version of those tags too. Even with the marriage and other two-principal event tags set to non-printing versions, if the "sensitive" person is entered as the primary parent of a child the list of children will identify him/her as co-parent with the non-sensitive spouse/partner. Furthermore, if you have selected the report option to include spouse events, the tags such as birth and death of the "sensitive" person will print as a result of being the primary parent of the child. The fix is easy - just make the "sensitive" parent non-primary. -----Original Message----- From: Ann Carson [mailto:annmcarson@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2015 3:51 PM To: 'Terry Reigel'; tmg@rootsweb.com; 'Donald W. Range' Subject: RE: [TMG] Changing the "unknown spouse" output in reports? Thanks very much Terry and Donald. Yes, I guess it is the output for the marriage tag in journal reports that I'm trying to change, where I don't know the father of a child, or the family doesn't wish to include him in reports - so I'll follow Donald's suggestions and options. I'd actually like to have no output at all sometimes so I guess that's just a different role/no sentence.