At 3/22/2018 14:04, Ron Chenier wrote >The one solution that worked for me from that thread was the removal of the >file for Ralationships (.prt and.bk) from the Configurations Folder. >That seemed to have solved my problem. I think you meant "(.rpt and ..bak)". <g> Glad you're working again - Lee

At 02:04 PM 3/22/2018, Ron Chenier wrote: >Here is the link that was provided to me: >http://www.whollygenes.com/forums201/index.php?/topic/14688-program-error-me >ssage-when-creating-reports-in-v804/?hl=wendy Just a small bit of general advice -- when inserting long URLs, it can help to put < and > around them. Apparently many mail clients will be able to parse the result as a single URL in place of the broken URL shown quoted above... Recreating it as one line and putting in the brackets... <http://www.whollygenes.com/forums201/index.php?/topic/14688-program-error-message-when-creating-reports-in-v804/?hl=wendy> (Now watch me get proven wrong <G> and that gets broken too) -- [email protected] Dennis Lee Bieber HTTP://home.earthlink.net/~bieber.genealogy/

Thanks for posting this Ron -- appreciated. I tried various things on my own system but couldn't replicate your precise problem. The exercise did lead me to realize that, probably ever since moving to Win 10, generating a relationship chart as a PDF file was no longer working for me. That is something I used to do on occasion but apparently hadn't even tried within the past half year or so. As one might expect I found the solution posted by Jim Byram on the Forum. John Cordes On Thu, Mar 22, 2018 at 02:04:47PM -0400, Ron Chenier wrote: > For some of you who might have been interested in my problem but did not > have an answer here is a solution from a kind soul had heard of this similar > problem in the past and was able to provide me with a solution offered by > Virginia Blakelock in a Whollygenes Forum. > Here is the link that was provided to me: > http://www.whollygenes.com/forums201/index.php?/topic/14688-program-error-me > ssage-when-creating-reports-in-v804/?hl=wendy > > The one solution that worked for me from that thread was the removal of the > file for Ralationships (.prt and.bk) from the Configurations Folder. > That seemed to have solved my problem. > > Ron Chénier > http://chesnay.homestead.com/ > http://www.bertrandchesnayfrancais.homestead.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ron Chenier <[email protected]> > Sent: March 20, 2018 9:29 AM > To: 'The Master Genealogist Rootsweb Email List' <[email protected]> > Subject: [TMG] Cannot Create Relationship Chart Reports > > In addition to my previous message concerning my problem of not being able > to create Relationship Charts I will indicate in point form the sequence of > events: > 1. When trying to create a Relationship Chart Report I get a Program Error: > Declare DLL call caused an exception. > 2. I click cancel. > 3. A small screen next comes up showing that Converting stopped at 60%. > 4. I then get the following: CHESNAY_.PJC -The Master Genealogist - Unknown > member ROPROTECTIONMAN 5. I click ok. > 6. Then I get the following error: Object GOREP is not found 21 > FRMCHAR5.UNLOAD > > I know this is a very strange problem, but it leaves me unable to create > this type of report which I often use to explain my relationship or other > relationships. > > Doing some archival searching on this problem I once came across a GOOGLE > search response where this file error was mention (in 2007) and Virginia > Blake was responding to someone on this. However it did not contain the full > Forum explanation, it seemed to have been some kind of archival record. But > I cannot seem to get to it again for some reason. > > Would anyone be able to help me with this problem? > PS: All other TMG reports work fine! > > Thank you, > Ron Chénier > http://chesnay.homestead.com/ > http://www.bertrandchesnayfrancais.homestead.com > The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ > Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html > The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ > Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html

For some of you who might have been interested in my problem but did not have an answer here is a solution from a kind soul had heard of this similar problem in the past and was able to provide me with a solution offered by Virginia Blakelock in a Whollygenes Forum. Here is the link that was provided to me: http://www.whollygenes.com/forums201/index.php?/topic/14688-program-error-me ssage-when-creating-reports-in-v804/?hl=wendy The one solution that worked for me from that thread was the removal of the file for Ralationships (.prt and.bk) from the Configurations Folder. That seemed to have solved my problem. Ron Chénier http://chesnay.homestead.com/ http://www.bertrandchesnayfrancais.homestead.com -----Original Message----- From: Ron Chenier <[email protected]> Sent: March 20, 2018 9:29 AM To: 'The Master Genealogist Rootsweb Email List' <[email protected]> Subject: [TMG] Cannot Create Relationship Chart Reports In addition to my previous message concerning my problem of not being able to create Relationship Charts I will indicate in point form the sequence of events: 1. When trying to create a Relationship Chart Report I get a Program Error: Declare DLL call caused an exception. 2. I click cancel. 3. A small screen next comes up showing that Converting stopped at 60%. 4. I then get the following: CHESNAY_.PJC -The Master Genealogist - Unknown member ROPROTECTIONMAN 5. I click ok. 6. Then I get the following error: Object GOREP is not found 21 FRMCHAR5.UNLOAD I know this is a very strange problem, but it leaves me unable to create this type of report which I often use to explain my relationship or other relationships. Doing some archival searching on this problem I once came across a GOOGLE search response where this file error was mention (in 2007) and Virginia Blake was responding to someone on this. However it did not contain the full Forum explanation, it seemed to have been some kind of archival record. But I cannot seem to get to it again for some reason. Would anyone be able to help me with this problem? PS: All other TMG reports work fine! Thank you, Ron Chénier http://chesnay.homestead.com/ http://www.bertrandchesnayfrancais.homestead.com

It's important to keep in mind that Europeans moved around more than we might think during the past 2000 years and that the ethnicity estimates are most reliable in terms of northern vs southern, eastern vs western, European (or endogamous unusual groups like Finns and Basques). Think of all those European wars of centuries past in which soldiers doubtless spread considerable DNA about. Not to mention traveling merchants. Karla Huebner calypsospots AT gmail.com On Wed, Mar 21, 2018 at 1:59 PM, Blah BlahBlah <[email protected]> wrote: > I think the ethnic percentages is what most people find > amazing/shocking when they get their results. Remember the lederhosen > traded in for a kilt commercial by Ancestry?? >

My Heritage is another place that has its own tests or you can upload raw data from Family tree dna, 23 and Me, or Ancestry. At My Heritage I found two distant matches that appear to help with two brick walls. Neither person responded to my contact so I am trying to extend the tree of one match to see if I can find my ancestor in that line. The other will be harder as it is possible that his line intersects other lines that I am also descended from. All I have is his surname. The My Heritage difference is that many of the members there are International, not just from the USA. It has been nice to see that known cousins are cousins(even distant ones), indicating that at least some of my research is correct. I belong to several dna groups at Facebook and I read stories about people who find a sibling that was not known, or other indications of long past non-parental events (NPE). I have no idea what I do if I found such an event. Hopefully, after the initial surprise I will embrace the new knowledge. On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 6:41 PM, Jack Lykins via TMG <[email protected]> wrote: > It's a bit off topic but would some readers comment on the DNA testing > service used and how satisfied you were with the results? Also comment on > how those results allowed extending your genealogy research would be > interesting. Thanks! Jack > > > > The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb. > ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ > Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb. > ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html > The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb. > ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ > Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb. > ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html >

At 3/21/2018 11:44 AM, Michael J Hannah wrote: >While I share your "guess" that this is the root cause, to test I >changed my receipt of posts to be separate emails, and "sometimes" even >replies to the single email (which "should" abide by the standards and >include the special header) don't show when the sort is by thread. > >The very unfortunate issue is that not only do replies sometimes not >show as part of the thread, sometimes they don't show *anywhere* else, >not even as their own separate thread!! > >Yet, if the user chooses "Show Replies by Date" now they DO show as a >reply, so HyperKitty DOES recognize that they are a reply to that post >and thus part of that thread. I suspect, as you do, that sort by Date Just testing sending replies is not a full test. You really need to check the full headers of the messages, as reported by Rootsweb. To be a "formal" reply, the reply message References: ... header should contain a chain of message IDs, AND the (last) message ID (in a chain if reply to reply) must be in the Message-ID: ... header of the immediate parent message. Possibly some clients are not copying Message-ID to References, which will break formal threading. Threading performed by Subject: can be broken based upon how the subject is manipulated by clients and mailing list software. Consider the subject line for this reply: Re:[TMG] Re: Hidden display of some replies to posts, use: Show Replies by Date Note the double "Re:" The original subject line "Hidden display of some replies to posts, use: Show Replies by Date" is what was seen by the first person replying, and their client prefaced that with "Re: "... But THEN the mailing list prefaced that with "[TMG] " when relaying the message. My mail client then saw "[TMG] Re: Hidden..." as a NEW subject, and prefaced that with another "Re:" -- normally, mail clients will ignore LEADING "Re:" when one replies, so one doesn't get multiple "Re:" prefixes., but the insertion of "[TMG]" by the list breaks "reply" grouping. Ideally, your Message-ID ( <[email protected]> ) has been appended to the References list ( <[email protected]> <[email protected]om> ) of this reply to provide formal threading. {I'm test driving the Pandora mail client which is still under development as a replacement for Eudora, so there are still quirks in behavior.} >does not depend just on the formal threading but displays by subject >too. However, in my opinion how a user chooses to display the replies >should not affect whether some replies either show or are completely >hidden. Whatever "rules" are followed, replies should never be hidden. > >Michael >The TMG archive is found here: >http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ >Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: >http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html >The TMG archive is found here: >http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ >Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: >http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html > -- [email protected] Dennis Lee Bieber HTTP://home.earthlink.net/~bieber.genealogy/

Great post, David Ball! I think the ethnic percentages is what most people find amazing/shocking when they get their results. Remember the lederhosen traded in for a kilt commercial by Ancestry?? My maternal ancestry, as far back as I can go, a good eight generations is ALL German/German-speaking, back to a Frauenfelder in early 18th cent. PA. Imagine my shock when my mtDNA shows it to be UK!?!?! Did some Protestant or Catholic female a generation earlier flee to Germany? Or vice versa?? A 2nd cousin whose ancestry was also assumed to be mostly German (and indeed his mother's parents emigrated from Germany as well as his father's mother's parents emigrated from Germany--all late 19th-early 20th century immigrants), well, his Ancestry autosomal results showed essentially NO German ancestry, but a high percentage of Scandinavian. So he's joked about trading in his lederhosen for a horned Viking helmet. Another 2nd cousin, same family but a different branch, took the 23&me autosomal test. It also showed low German ethnicity, but a higher Scandinavian percentage which did not surprise anyone as his mother was native Finnish-Swedish, but what happened to his German/German-speaking ancestry from his father? In one internet video on interpreting DNA results, the commentator noted a high Scandinavian percentage in her ancestry and she brushed it aside by remarking "that happens a lot" with a chuckle of sorts. I also assume that because companies are not digging up 10th-18th graves throughout Europe and elsewhere to test DNA that to a certain degree "hits" reflect where modern(ish?) populations live, not necessarily where one's ancestors lived 1000 years ago or even 500?? I noticed most of these companies do not quite explicitly tease out German ancestry, often throwing it into a Northwestern European category,or French-German, etc. Anyway, thanks David Bell for a great synopsis. Sam On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 5:39 PM, David Ball <[email protected]> wrote: > > A fourth issue comes with the ethnicity percentages......they are the sum of > the tests taken at those labs, NOT a comparison to scholarly research done > reflecting long-term families in many thousands of regions around the world. > A red flag goes up when an Ancestry.com ad saves the girl was 26% native > American, it becomes obvious that this was more fabricated than reflective > of the last 10-15 generations. 25% or 12.5% or 6.25% then one might look > for a recent generation native American.....but 26% just doesn't compute.

Richard Damon wrote: > The new Rootsweb uses the recently developed Mailman 3, > which uses HyperKitty [to] store the archives... Yes, Richard, that is clear. > My guess is that replies that aren't threaded were created > in a way that they are not really replies in the sense defined > by the email standards, quite possibly because people did > a 'reply' from a digest. While I share your "guess" that this is the root cause, to test I changed my receipt of posts to be separate emails, and "sometimes" even replies to the single email (which "should" abide by the standards and include the special header) don't show when the sort is by thread. The very unfortunate issue is that not only do replies sometimes not show as part of the thread, sometimes they don't show *anywhere* else, not even as their own separate thread!! Yet, if the user chooses "Show Replies by Date" now they DO show as a reply, so HyperKitty DOES recognize that they are a reply to that post and thus part of that thread. I suspect, as you do, that sort by Date does not depend just on the formal threading but displays by subject too. However, in my opinion how a user chooses to display the replies should not affect whether some replies either show or are completely hidden. Whatever "rules" are followed, replies should never be hidden. Michael

The old Rootsweb used an ancient version of Mailman 2, with what appeared to be a number of customization (as it didn't behave like a stock version of Mailman 2). The new Rootsweb uses the recently developed Mailman 3, which uses HyperKitty as the default way to build a store the archives (it was build more modular, so that distinct functionality was divided into distinct programs). My guess is that replies that aren't threaded were created in a way that they are not really replies in the sense defined by the email standards, quite possibly because people did a 'reply' from a digest. Note that the definition of a reply in the email standards is NOT based on having the same subject, but having a special header that should be added by the email program referencing the message it is a reply to. My guess is the old version just defaulted to not depending just on the formal threading but displayed things by subject too. On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 1:16 PM, Michael J Hannah <[email protected]> wrote: > Rootsweb is now using a different web tool, HyperKitty, to display the TMG > archives. Searching the web shows that HyperKitty is a new software > package. In my opinion it is less complete and less friendly than the old > RootsWeb archives package. > > It also seems to have a BUG. Depending upon how you "reply" to a post > that reply will display one of three different ways when you view the > archives on the web. I have not (yet) figured out what triggers each > different display action. > > 1- The reply will show as a reply to the original post as expected. > 2- The reply will produce a completely new thread/post and not be > associated with the original post even though the Subject line is the same. > 3- The reply will be accepted, and like all other replies will be included > in the emails sent out, but by default WILL NOT SHOW among the replies to > that thread. > > WORKAROUND > When you view a particular thread/topic, by default you will see the > original post followed by "some" replies sorted by thread. Between the > original post and the first reply is the clickable text to instead "Show > replies by date". ALWAYS CLICK ON THIS!! Only by displaying replies > sorted by date will you see ALL replies. For some reason the display of > replies sorted by thread may HIDE some replies but will still show others. > > Unfortunately neither I nor our List Administrator can find any option to > change the default for the display to sort by date. Nor is there an option > to separately list all posts in a chronological list, whether a new thread > or a reply, like the old archives provided. At least that always used to > let you know there was a new reply. > > The List Administrators, and RootsWeb, are aware of these issues. > Hopefully there will be improvements over time in this new web archives > software. > The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb. > ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ > Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb. > ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html > The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb. > ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ > Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb. > ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html > -- Richard Damon -- ScoutMaster, Troop 302, Arlington, MA Pack Trainer, Pack 306, Arlington, MA District Member at Large, Training Committee, Sons of Liberty District Boston Minuteman Council I used to be a fox... (NE-I-209) and a staffer too (NE-I-234, NE-I-244)

Robin Kaspar wrote: > Ok that worked. I’ve just started using the auto-relationship thing > and didn’t know this was an option. Actually it is not an option, Robin, it is a requirement. The special "Relation" tag is NOT automatically refreshed. To refresh this every time you entered a new person or changed a relationship tag would severely degrade the program's performance. So this tag is only refreshed when you ask it to be. While you can go into Preferences to recalculate the relationships for all the people in your Dataset as was mentioned, there are two easier ways. First, there is a menu item on the RIGHT-click menu for the Details area labeled Automatic "Relation" tag. Second, if you are using a Custom Toolbar there is a pre-defined button which can be added to your toolbar called "Toggle Relative auto-tag". Both of these two methods work as a toggle off / toggle on action. If you choose the menu item or click the custom toolbar button, the "Relation" tag is turned off. Then simply choosing the menu item or clicking the custom button again turns it back on *and* recalculates all relationships for the entire dataset. Hope this gives you ideas, Michael

Dave Once you have the FTDNA tests how do you further process them? Ysearch? Gedmatch? And then? iSent from my iPhone; iTypos, iApologize. > On Mar 20, 2018, at 5:39 PM, David Ball <[email protected]> wrote: > > Just to add a bit of clarification on the difference in labs and their tests > for genealogy related DNA testing. There was an interesting TV special > awhile back with DNA tests by several labs done with samples taken from > identical triplets. Only FamilyTreeDNA came back with identical test > results for the three girls and this appears to have come from their use of > a heavy scraping of the inside of your cheek with a plastic tool to get > their sample. Other labs use saliva, which can more easily have > contamination in the sample. The other labs showed "close relationship" for > the triplets, but not identical. > > Second is that there are four common "DNA tests" that look at different > sections of the DNA string. The "yDNA" test looks at the all male ancestral > line, the "mtDNA" test looks at the all female ancestral line, the > "autosomal" tests look at portions common to all of your ancestors (maternal > and paternal) and short term matches (say 5 or less generations back) are > called "cousin finder" results, while the long term matches (potentially > thousands of years) provide the ethnicity results. The fourth test looks at > propensity to certain medical conditions and has little to do with genealogy > unless you are tracking diseases through your family. > > A third issue is the minimum number of "markers" purchased to provide > reliable matches. FamilyTreeDNA used to offer 12-marker and 25 marker yDNA > tests until their library got large enough to make it obvious that one needs > at least 37 markers to make matches consistently reliable. As part of my > New England Ball Project I have contacted a number of test owners and > personally paid to have their tests expanded to 37 markers, so they would be > useful in my Project. On the other hand paying for any more than a > 37-marker test is only useful for a major surname study that is trying to > use yDNA to place "brick wall" branches into a tree. > > A fourth issue comes with the ethnicity percentages......they are the sum of > the tests taken at those labs, NOT a comparison to scholarly research done > reflecting long-term families in many thousands of regions around the world. > A red flag goes up when an Ancestry.com ad saves the girl was 26% native > American, it becomes obvious that this was more fabricated than reflective > of the last 10-15 generations. 25% or 12.5% or 6.25% then one might look > for a recent generation native American.....but 26% just doesn't compute. > > The most frustrating aspect of these tests is that the various labs all use > a slightly different selection of "markers" to measure, so that (surprise, > surprise) one cannot readily compare results between labs. I have paid for > several tests for my Project to get them redone by FamilyTreeDNA, so I could > make sense out of (and have confidence in) the results. > > Dave Ball > Compiler of the New England Ball Project > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jack Lykins via TMG [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Monday, March 19, 2018 6:41 PM > To: [email protected] > Cc: Jack Lykins > Subject: [TMG] DNA Testing Services > > It's a bit off topic but would some readers comment on the DNA testing > service used and how satisfied you were with the results? Also comment on > how those results allowed extending your genealogy research would be > interesting. Thanks! Jack > subscribe to TMG: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html > The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ > Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html > The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ > Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html

Just to add a bit of clarification on the difference in labs and their tests for genealogy related DNA testing. There was an interesting TV special awhile back with DNA tests by several labs done with samples taken from identical triplets. Only FamilyTreeDNA came back with identical test results for the three girls and this appears to have come from their use of a heavy scraping of the inside of your cheek with a plastic tool to get their sample. Other labs use saliva, which can more easily have contamination in the sample. The other labs showed "close relationship" for the triplets, but not identical. Second is that there are four common "DNA tests" that look at different sections of the DNA string. The "yDNA" test looks at the all male ancestral line, the "mtDNA" test looks at the all female ancestral line, the "autosomal" tests look at portions common to all of your ancestors (maternal and paternal) and short term matches (say 5 or less generations back) are called "cousin finder" results, while the long term matches (potentially thousands of years) provide the ethnicity results. The fourth test looks at propensity to certain medical conditions and has little to do with genealogy unless you are tracking diseases through your family. A third issue is the minimum number of "markers" purchased to provide reliable matches. FamilyTreeDNA used to offer 12-marker and 25 marker yDNA tests until their library got large enough to make it obvious that one needs at least 37 markers to make matches consistently reliable. As part of my New England Ball Project I have contacted a number of test owners and personally paid to have their tests expanded to 37 markers, so they would be useful in my Project. On the other hand paying for any more than a 37-marker test is only useful for a major surname study that is trying to use yDNA to place "brick wall" branches into a tree. A fourth issue comes with the ethnicity percentages......they are the sum of the tests taken at those labs, NOT a comparison to scholarly research done reflecting long-term families in many thousands of regions around the world. A red flag goes up when an Ancestry.com ad saves the girl was 26% native American, it becomes obvious that this was more fabricated than reflective of the last 10-15 generations. 25% or 12.5% or 6.25% then one might look for a recent generation native American.....but 26% just doesn't compute. The most frustrating aspect of these tests is that the various labs all use a slightly different selection of "markers" to measure, so that (surprise, surprise) one cannot readily compare results between labs. I have paid for several tests for my Project to get them redone by FamilyTreeDNA, so I could make sense out of (and have confidence in) the results. Dave Ball Compiler of the New England Ball Project -----Original Message----- From: Jack Lykins via TMG [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, March 19, 2018 6:41 PM To: [email protected] Cc: Jack Lykins Subject: [TMG] DNA Testing Services It's a bit off topic but would some readers comment on the DNA testing service used and how satisfied you were with the results? Also comment on how those results allowed extending your genealogy research would be interesting. Thanks! Jack subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html

Sorry Lee, I should also have mentioned that the same error occurs even when I try the report to RTF. Exasperating! Cheers, Ron Chénier http://chesnay.homestead.com/ http://www.bertrandchesnayfrancais.homestead.com -----Original Message----- From: Lee Hoffman <[email protected]> Sent: March 20, 2018 3:20 PM To: The Master Genealogist Rootsweb Email List <[email protected]> Subject: [TMG] Re: Cannot Create Relationship Chart Reports At 3/20/2018 15:13, Ron Chenier wrote >If I do a Screen Preview it comes out alright to the screen. But when I >try output to a file such a WORD, WP or PDF I cannot produce the report >and get the error mentioned. Ron - Try output to RTF. That should open OK in your word processor. The new report writer in TMG v9 sometimes doesn't geehaw with them and the more generic RTF resolves that problem Once the RTF is open, you can save it to DOC or whatever. Lee The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html

At 3/20/2018 15:13, Ron Chenier wrote >If I do a Screen Preview it comes out alright to the screen. But when I try >output to a file such a WORD, WP or PDF I cannot produce the report and get >the error mentioned. Ron - Try output to RTF. That should open OK in your word processor. The new report writer in TMG v9 sometimes doesn't geehaw with them and the more generic RTF resolves that problem Once the RTF is open, you can save it to DOC or whatever. Lee

If I do a Screen Preview it comes out alright to the screen. But when I try output to a file such a WORD, WP or PDF I cannot produce the report and get the error mentioned. Ron Chénier http://chesnay.homestead.com/ http://www.bertrandchesnayfrancais.homestead.com -----Original Message----- From: John Cordes <[email protected]> Sent: March 20, 2018 12:42 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [TMG] Re: Cannot Create Relationship Chart Reports Ron, Does it make a difference what you choose for Report Destination -- i.e. screen output or an actual file? John Cordes On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 09:28:58AM -0400, Ron Chenier wrote: > In addition to my previous message concerning my problem of not being > able to create Relationship Charts I will indicate in point form the > sequence of > events: > 1. When trying to create a Relationship Chart Report I get a Program Error: > Declare DLL call caused an exception. > 2. I click cancel. > 3. A small screen next comes up showing that Converting stopped at 60%. > 4. I then get the following: CHESNAY_.PJC -The Master Genealogist - > Unknown member ROPROTECTIONMAN 5. I click ok. > 6. Then I get the following error: Object GOREP is not found 21 > FRMCHAR5.UNLOAD > > I know this is a very strange problem, but it leaves me unable to > create this type of report which I often use to explain my > relationship or other relationships. > > Doing some archival searching on this problem I once came across a > GOOGLE search response where this file error was mention (in 2007) and > Virginia Blake was responding to someone on this. However it did not > contain the full Forum explanation, it seemed to have been some kind > of archival record. But I cannot seem to get to it again for some reason. > > Would anyone be able to help me with this problem? > PS: All other TMG reports work fine! > > Thank you, > Ron Chénier > http://chesnay.homestead.com/ > http://www.bertrandchesnayfrancais.homestead.com The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html

Under Preferences -> Current Project -> Other, press "Refresh relationships". This assumes you have selected (checked) the Automatic "relation" tag. John Cordes On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 02:21:20PM -0400, Robin Kaspar wrote: > Toggle it how? > > > On Mar 20, 2018, at 2:10 PM, John Cordes <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Sorry, that was the wrong Relation Calculator. > > > > What you need to do is toggle the "Automatic 'Relation' tag" in > > the Prefs for the Project. > > > > John Cordes > > > > On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 03:08:07PM -0300, John Cordes wrote: > >> Robin, > >> > >> Have you tried refreshing the Relationship Calculator (Ctrl-R) > >> under the Tools menu? > >> > >> John Cordes > >> > >> On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 02:00:55PM -0400, Robin Kaspar wrote: > >>> This is odd. > >>> > >>> I have that Relation-thing turned on in my event lists, don’t remember what it’s called. > >>> > >>> I just input a man who is showing as my 4th cousin once removed. > >>> > >>> I then input his daughter (dau-bio) and she is showing as no relation to me. > >>> > >>> Yet when I do the Relationship calculator, it tells me she is my 5th cousin. > >>> > >>> Is this a bug? It’s not fatal if it is, I just haven’t seen it before. > >>> > >>> Robin in Short Pump > > The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ > > Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html > > The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ > > Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html > The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ > Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html > The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ > Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html

Ok that worked. I’ve just started using the auto-relationship thing and didn’t know this was an option. Thanks John. Robin in Short Pump > On Mar 20, 2018, at 2:08 PM, John Cordes <[email protected]> wrote: > > Robin, > > Have you tried refreshing the Relationship Calculator (Ctrl-R) > under the Tools menu? > > John Cordes > > On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 02:00:55PM -0400, Robin Kaspar wrote: >> This is odd. >> >> I have that Relation-thing turned on in my event lists, don’t remember what it’s called. >> >> I just input a man who is showing as my 4th cousin once removed. >> >> I then input his daughter (dau-bio) and she is showing as no relation to me. >> >> Yet when I do the Relationship calculator, it tells me she is my 5th cousin. >> >> Is this a bug? It’s not fatal if it is, I just haven’t seen it before. >> >> Robin in Short Pump > The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ > Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html > The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ > Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html

I input the parent as related to me. I input another daughter and the automatic relationship thing is showing her as my 5th cousin. > On Mar 20, 2018, at 2:12 PM, Linda M. Towne <[email protected]> wrote: > > I think sometimes when you input the parent who is not related to you and then the child, the relationship-thingy doesn't always update automatically. Refreshing it as John suggested, should fix it > > On 3/20/2018 2:08 PM, John Cordes wrote: >> Robin, >> >> Have you tried refreshing the Relationship Calculator (Ctrl-R) >> under the Tools menu? >> >> John Cordes >> >> On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 02:00:55PM -0400, Robin Kaspar wrote: >>> This is odd. >>> >>> I have that Relation-thing turned on in my event lists, don’t remember what it’s called. >>> >>> I just input a man who is showing as my 4th cousin once removed. >>> >>> I then input his daughter (dau-bio) and she is showing as no relation to me. >>> >>> Yet when I do the Relationship calculator, it tells me she is my 5th cousin. >>> >>> Is this a bug? It’s not fatal if it is, I just haven’t seen it before. >>> >>> Robin in Short Pump >> The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ >> Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html >> The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ >> Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html > The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ > Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html > The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ > Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html

Toggle it how? > On Mar 20, 2018, at 2:10 PM, John Cordes <[email protected]> wrote: > > Sorry, that was the wrong Relation Calculator. > > What you need to do is toggle the "Automatic 'Relation' tag" in > the Prefs for the Project. > > John Cordes > > On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 03:08:07PM -0300, John Cordes wrote: >> Robin, >> >> Have you tried refreshing the Relationship Calculator (Ctrl-R) >> under the Tools menu? >> >> John Cordes >> >> On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 02:00:55PM -0400, Robin Kaspar wrote: >>> This is odd. >>> >>> I have that Relation-thing turned on in my event lists, don’t remember what it’s called. >>> >>> I just input a man who is showing as my 4th cousin once removed. >>> >>> I then input his daughter (dau-bio) and she is showing as no relation to me. >>> >>> Yet when I do the Relationship calculator, it tells me she is my 5th cousin. >>> >>> Is this a bug? It’s not fatal if it is, I just haven’t seen it before. >>> >>> Robin in Short Pump > The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ > Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html > The TMG archive is found here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/TMG/ > Instructions on how to subscribe to TMG: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/TMG.html