Dear Pam, Terry Barton at World Families Network has launched a Thorn surname project in association with Family Tree DNA. If you are part of a surname project, you get the DNA test at a reduced rate. The project has the following web address where you should find all the necessary information: http:/worldfamilies.net/surnames/t/thorne/ By way of DNA testing, you can find out about ancient and recent history of your male family line. In the case of a surname project, the required test is a Y chromosome test and can therefore only be taken by males. Females can take the test by proxy, by having a father/brother/uncle tested. Make sure you enter your own email address. That means that all information goes directly to you. Through random copying errors, the genetic signature on the y chromosome changes more and more as genes are passed on from parent to offspring. DNA tests work by spotting these copying errors. If the mutations are similar or identical in two people, they quite likely share a common ancestor. The goal of the testee is to be matched perfectly by someone else with the same surname. This gives legitimation to one's own paper work, and it can help you in case you've hit a brick wall in your research (like an immigrant with an unknown origin). Maybe your match has information that you need. If you decide to take a test, opt for the most comprehensive testing you can afford. You might get hooked after a while anyway. That's all I can tell you for now. Ann-Kathrin >From: Pam Reid <pamreid@comcast.net> >Reply-To: THORN-L@rootsweb.com >To: THORN-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: Thorns DNA submitted >Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 15:00:01 -0500 > >This DNA thing is very intriguing. We know with as much certainty as is >possible that our first Thorn ancestor in America arrived in Gloucester, VA >on the Safety in 1635. The Safety sailed from England, but of course, that >doesn't mean that this ancestor was a native of England. Please, whoever >has all of the info on the DNA Project, please fill the rest of us in. > >Thanks so much! >Pam > >Elmer Thorn wrote: > >>Ann-Kathrin, I just viewed your fathers DNA result this morning. So far, >>it makes no >>sense to me as I don't know what to compare it to or know what each marker >>means. I guess I will when I get my results back. I have a cousin Jake >>Thorn that I am trying to get to accept the Thorn Project Manager. If all >>else fails I would do it. I am just a little leery since I don't >>understand >>the whole thing myself. Et >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Ann Kathrin [mailto:try_me_alekseev@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, >>January 02, 2006 1:25 PM >>To: THORN-L@rootsweb.com >>Subject: RE: Thorns DNA submitted >> >>Elmer, >>I joined the DNA project via my personal page at FTDNA some days ago, and >>my >> >>father's results showed up in the project's results section the same day. >>He >> >>had taken the test a while ago, that's why it took no time. However, his >>pedigree (which I posted in the pedigree forum as requested) doesn't show >>up >> >>on the patriarch page yet, only yours is listed there. I've read your >>pedigree, so I'm looking forward to February when your results are in. And >>even to be able to rule out certain connection is progress, isn't it? >> >>You wouldn't be interested in becoming the project's administrator, would >>you? I know that Terry Barton is keen to get the job out of his own hands, >>and I guess it would speed things up a bit if someone with a personal >>interest was in charge. >> >>Ann-Kathrin >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! >>http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/

Dear Paulina, The first ancestor I know of is Franz Ludewig Thorns who must have been born in about 1750 somewhere in Germany, I cannot say where for sure. He worked as a shepherd. With his wife Magdalena Benten he had at least two, possibly more, sons who lived in two neighbouring villages in the district of Hameln-Pyrmont, Hämelschenburg and Amelgatzen. Hämelschenburg was the larger settlement then and had a church, while Amelgatzen now seems to be bigger. Through the Family Search Library I could get a hold of church records from Hämelschenburg for the period of 1853-1870 or something. In this period fell the deaths of two sons of Franz Ludewig, one living in Hämelschenburg, one in Amelgatzen, both of them shepherds and born in the 1780s. There were two other Thorns in the village of Amelgatzen whose family connections I couldn't sort out. Anyway, the name was rare enough compared to others to suggest a recent move. However, since the area was thick with shepherds at the time, I assume that also Franz Ludewig Thorns might have been a local of either Amelgatzen or Hämelschenburg. I wrote Hämelschenburg in the pedigrees I submitted because that's where the church records are available. To get further back in time, I need older church records from the state archive in Hanover. There a around 70 "Thorns" listed in the online phone catalogue for Germany now, most of them not too far from Hanover. I have not checked for "Thorn", but it might be of different origin. I have to check the older church records to see if the spelling was consistent. A DNA test would certainly help to establish or rule out a connection. I'll tell you more as soon as I know more. Ann-Kathrin _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/

Elmer, I joined the DNA project via my personal page at FTDNA some days ago, and my father's results showed up in the project's results section the same day. He had taken the test a while ago, that's why it took no time. However, his pedigree (which I posted in the pedigree forum as requested) doesn't show up on the patriarch page yet, only yours is listed there. I've read your pedigree, so I'm looking forward to February when your results are in. And even to be able to rule out certain connection is progress, isn't it? You wouldn't be interested in becoming the project's administrator, would you? I know that Terry Barton is keen to get the job out of his own hands, and I guess it would speed things up a bit if someone with a personal interest was in charge. Ann-Kathrin _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/

Hi, I can't help you unfortunately, but I just wanted to say that you are not intervening. This is what this list is for - the sharing of family info and the search for ties. Hopefully someone here has just what you need to start to put the puzzle together. Pam Jjg331@wmconnect.com wrote: >Hello, > >Sorry to intervene on your Thorn correspondence---I am so interested as I >have a Frederick Thorn who died in 1801 in Pendleton Co Va (before it became >WV) He would have been the age to have been a brother to Francis Ludwig Thorns >who you site from Germany and was born about 1750. I have been told my >Frederick Thorn was of German ancestry He married a Catherine F. maiden name >unknown and had at least four children an Elizabeth my grandmother (greats removed), >Mary, Phoebe and a son John. There may have been more children My Elizabeth >Thorn born about 1790, married William Yeager. Do you have any of this >information in your line? More Later Jackie > > > > >

Yes, I am of the Thomas Thorn line. It is quite probable I think that our lines our connected. It is so difficult to sort out those VA years with all of the sons named Martin, Thomas and William <grin>. Thanks for the DNA info. I will look into this. It could certainly help all of us to get more DNA into the bank. Now I just need to get into the same thing for my Foster line. There are SO many suppositions on the Foster line and DNA would really help there. Interesting fact - Thomas Thorn and Richard Foster both arrived on the Safety in 1635. Thomas' desecendent, Durham Lee Thorn married Richard's descendent Annie Caldwell Foster - these were my great-granparents. I doubt that they ever had any idea of that connection!!!! Pam Pam Elmer Thorn wrote: >Pam, That sounds closer to my William Thorn (b abt 1685-90) family >officially showing up in Prince William Co Va in early 1700s. Are you of >the Thomas Thorn family? We have always wondered about Thomas being a >possible connection to our William. I am attaching a website for all to >check out on the DNA. It is supposed to even take us back to where our >ancestors originated from. Two of us in our Thorn line have recently tested >and waiting for our results. Others have shown interest . The more we get >to take the test the more it will define family lines and connections. It >has to be a Thorn male to follow the y-chromosome . > >www.worldfamilies.com >http://www.worldfamilies.net/faqs.htm#How%20can%20DNA%20testing%20help%20gen >ealogy? > > >How can DNA testing help genealogy? > >For purposes of surname genealogy studies, DNA refers to the 23rd chromosome >pair. Females have two x chromosomes, while males have one x and one y >chromosome. The y chromosome is passed from father to son and is usually >identical from father to son. Occasionally, there is a mutation. Over >1000s of years, these mutations have resulted in distinctive DNA profiles >for different families. These differences are the focus of DNA testing in >genealogy, often called yDNA. > >My ancestors are all long dead. How do I get their DNA? > >Males carry the yDNA of their Surname ancestors, so we test them as >representatives of their ancestors.. DNA tests are taken from the living >and compared among groups of people. We look for male descendants who >share a common surname or surname spelling variant. A single Y-DNA test is >not that useful, but can be very revealing when compared to known or >suspected cousins. In many cases, yDNA matches among individuals indicate a >common male ancestor who may have lived hundreds of years ago, with the >"cousins" being completely unknown to one another. > >How does DNA testing work? > >The DNA test is typically a cheek swab, which collects tissue cells. The >laboratory examines these cells and uses standardized protocols to count the >number of repeats of genetic patterns at standardized locations on the DNA >helix. A DNA result is a set of repeats (numbers) at particular addresses >(markers). By comparing the numbers at the markers, we can determine if a >man shares a common ancestor with a second sample. Typically, this is >recorded as the number of exact matches and the total number of markers, >i.e.: 12/12, 23/25 33/37, etc. Generally, for a greater number of markers, >there is a higher reliability and for a closer the match in numbers, there >is a closer relationship. > >How conclusive is DNA testing? > >The typical researcher is interested in specific individuals in a specific >family tree, while DNA testing evaluates common ancestry. By itself, a DNA >test cannot confirm that a specific individual is the ancestor of the test >participant. > >However, DNA testing can confirm that two test participants share a common >ancestor. When combined with traditional genealogy, DNA results can aid in >reconstructing genealogies and can confirm or refute specific relationships, >including descent from specific ancestors, with a high degree of confidence. >The most useful comparisons are between men who have closely matching yDNA >patterns and who have also established paper trails (genealogies). > >DNA testing can be conclusive in proving that a male from an earlier >generation is NOT an ancestor. The degree of certainty is a function of >genealogies of the participants who document the earlier male. > >Can I use DNA testing in lieu of other research? > >DNA testing should be used as a supplement to traditional research. It has >a limited value when used alone. > >Who should get tested? > >Anyone who is interested in confirming their surname ancestry should >consider DNA testing. A male can represent himself and his surname family, >while a female will need to arrange for a male relative to represent her and >her family. > >Sooner or later, in researching a family tree, we all get to the point where >the paper records become scarce to non-existent. Perhaps we have several >possibilities or much circumstantial evidence as to whom the next ancestor >in a line may be, but no way to determine which is which. DNA testing may >be just the thing to help to break down some of those "brick walls," which >sooner or later, we all face. > >Why should I get tested? > >You should get tested if it will aid in defining the DNA profile of your >surname ancestors. When your DNA profile is combined with another >descendant of a common ancestor, it can define the DNA profile of that >earlier ancestor. When combined with your brother's result, your test will >define the common ancestor (your father). When combined with a 5th cousin's >DNA, your result will define the result of your gggg-grandfather. > >For a man who has already had a close relative tested, there may be little >value in his additional testing unless there are specific questions to be >answered. > >Of particular concern are the sole surviving male representatives of a >family line. Once they are gone, their family cannot be directly >represented. These men are particularly important to their family study and >should be strongly considered for testing. Many families already have >stories of DNA testing a family member who has since died, or of not getting >a test on a family member before they passed on. > >How useful will DNA testing be for me? > >The answer will vary for each individual. For a man with a distinctive DNA >profile who matches into a family whose profile has already been >established, the result can be quite useful, as it can confirm his family >and leave only the question of which members are his actual direct >ancestors. For the man whose result matches multiple distinct families of >the same surname, the result can be ambiguous. For the man who fails to >match any other participant, the result can be quite frustrating. Over >time, as additional markers and participants are added, we can hope that >results for the latter two become as useful as they are for the first case. > >How much does it cost? > >Testing cost varies. Generally, cost increases as the number of markers >increases. The lowest cost is about $100 for a 12-marker test, while a >37-marker test can be obtained for about $220. The 25-marker test is about >$170. > >Where should I go to get tested? > >The best way to be tested is as part of a Surname DNA Project. As there are >some differences in the markers tested by the various testing companies, it >is quite helpful to obtain a test from the same testing company as other men >with your surname. When a Surname Project has not already been started, >consideration should be given to starting one. > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Pam Reid [mailto:pamreid@comcast.net] >Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 2:00 PM >To: THORN-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: Thorns DNA submitted > >This DNA thing is very intriguing. We know with as much certainty as is >possible that our first Thorn ancestor in America arrived in Gloucester, >VA on the Safety in 1635. The Safety sailed from England, but of >course, that doesn't mean that this ancestor was a native of England. >Please, whoever has all of the info on the DNA Project, please fill the >rest of us in. > >Thanks so much! >Pam > >Elmer Thorn wrote: > > > >>Ann-Kathrin, >>I just viewed your fathers DNA result this morning. So far, it makes no >>sense to me as I don't know what to compare it to or know what each marker >>means. I guess I will when I get my results back. I have a cousin Jake >>Thorn that I am trying to get to accept the Thorn Project Manager. If all >>else fails I would do it. I am just a little leery since I don't >> >> >understand > > >>the whole thing myself. >>Et >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Ann Kathrin [mailto:try_me_alekseev@hotmail.com] >>Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 1:25 PM >>To: THORN-L@rootsweb.com >>Subject: RE: Thorns DNA submitted >> >>Elmer, >>I joined the DNA project via my personal page at FTDNA some days ago, and >> >> >my > > >>father's results showed up in the project's results section the same day. >> >> >He > > >>had taken the test a while ago, that's why it took no time. However, his >>pedigree (which I posted in the pedigree forum as requested) doesn't show >> >> >up > > >>on the patriarch page yet, only yours is listed there. I've read your >>pedigree, so I'm looking forward to February when your results are in. And >>even to be able to rule out certain connection is progress, isn't it? >> >>You wouldn't be interested in becoming the project's administrator, would >>you? I know that Terry Barton is keen to get the job out of his own hands, >>and I guess it would speed things up a bit if someone with a personal >>interest was in charge. >> >>Ann-Kathrin >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! >>http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > >

Hello, Sorry to intervene on your Thorn correspondence---I am so interested as I have a Frederick Thorn who died in 1801 in Pendleton Co Va (before it became WV) He would have been the age to have been a brother to Francis Ludwig Thorns who you site from Germany and was born about 1750. I have been told my Frederick Thorn was of German ancestry He married a Catherine F. maiden name unknown and had at least four children an Elizabeth my grandmother (greats removed), Mary, Phoebe and a son John. There may have been more children My Elizabeth Thorn born about 1790, married William Yeager. Do you have any of this information in your line? More Later Jackie

This DNA thing is very intriguing. We know with as much certainty as is possible that our first Thorn ancestor in America arrived in Gloucester, VA on the Safety in 1635. The Safety sailed from England, but of course, that doesn't mean that this ancestor was a native of England. Please, whoever has all of the info on the DNA Project, please fill the rest of us in. Thanks so much! Pam Elmer Thorn wrote: >Ann-Kathrin, >I just viewed your fathers DNA result this morning. So far, it makes no >sense to me as I don't know what to compare it to or know what each marker >means. I guess I will when I get my results back. I have a cousin Jake >Thorn that I am trying to get to accept the Thorn Project Manager. If all >else fails I would do it. I am just a little leery since I don't understand >the whole thing myself. >Et > >-----Original Message----- >From: Ann Kathrin [mailto:try_me_alekseev@hotmail.com] >Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 1:25 PM >To: THORN-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: RE: Thorns DNA submitted > >Elmer, >I joined the DNA project via my personal page at FTDNA some days ago, and my > >father's results showed up in the project's results section the same day. He > >had taken the test a while ago, that's why it took no time. However, his >pedigree (which I posted in the pedigree forum as requested) doesn't show up > >on the patriarch page yet, only yours is listed there. I've read your >pedigree, so I'm looking forward to February when your results are in. And >even to be able to rule out certain connection is progress, isn't it? > >You wouldn't be interested in becoming the project's administrator, would >you? I know that Terry Barton is keen to get the job out of his own hands, >and I guess it would speed things up a bit if someone with a personal >interest was in charge. > >Ann-Kathrin > >_________________________________________________________________ >Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! >http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > > > > > > >

Pam, That sounds closer to my William Thorn (b abt 1685-90) family officially showing up in Prince William Co Va in early 1700s. Are you of the Thomas Thorn family? We have always wondered about Thomas being a possible connection to our William. I am attaching a website for all to check out on the DNA. It is supposed to even take us back to where our ancestors originated from. Two of us in our Thorn line have recently tested and waiting for our results. Others have shown interest . The more we get to take the test the more it will define family lines and connections. It has to be a Thorn male to follow the y-chromosome . www.worldfamilies.com http://www.worldfamilies.net/faqs.htm#How%20can%20DNA%20testing%20help%20gen ealogy? How can DNA testing help genealogy? For purposes of surname genealogy studies, DNA refers to the 23rd chromosome pair. Females have two x chromosomes, while males have one x and one y chromosome. The y chromosome is passed from father to son and is usually identical from father to son. Occasionally, there is a mutation. Over 1000s of years, these mutations have resulted in distinctive DNA profiles for different families. These differences are the focus of DNA testing in genealogy, often called yDNA. My ancestors are all long dead. How do I get their DNA? Males carry the yDNA of their Surname ancestors, so we test them as representatives of their ancestors.. DNA tests are taken from the living and compared among groups of people. We look for male descendants who share a common surname or surname spelling variant. A single Y-DNA test is not that useful, but can be very revealing when compared to known or suspected cousins. In many cases, yDNA matches among individuals indicate a common male ancestor who may have lived hundreds of years ago, with the "cousins" being completely unknown to one another. How does DNA testing work? The DNA test is typically a cheek swab, which collects tissue cells. The laboratory examines these cells and uses standardized protocols to count the number of repeats of genetic patterns at standardized locations on the DNA helix. A DNA result is a set of repeats (numbers) at particular addresses (markers). By comparing the numbers at the markers, we can determine if a man shares a common ancestor with a second sample. Typically, this is recorded as the number of exact matches and the total number of markers, i.e.: 12/12, 23/25 33/37, etc. Generally, for a greater number of markers, there is a higher reliability and for a closer the match in numbers, there is a closer relationship. How conclusive is DNA testing? The typical researcher is interested in specific individuals in a specific family tree, while DNA testing evaluates common ancestry. By itself, a DNA test cannot confirm that a specific individual is the ancestor of the test participant. However, DNA testing can confirm that two test participants share a common ancestor. When combined with traditional genealogy, DNA results can aid in reconstructing genealogies and can confirm or refute specific relationships, including descent from specific ancestors, with a high degree of confidence. The most useful comparisons are between men who have closely matching yDNA patterns and who have also established paper trails (genealogies). DNA testing can be conclusive in proving that a male from an earlier generation is NOT an ancestor. The degree of certainty is a function of genealogies of the participants who document the earlier male. Can I use DNA testing in lieu of other research? DNA testing should be used as a supplement to traditional research. It has a limited value when used alone. Who should get tested? Anyone who is interested in confirming their surname ancestry should consider DNA testing. A male can represent himself and his surname family, while a female will need to arrange for a male relative to represent her and her family. Sooner or later, in researching a family tree, we all get to the point where the paper records become scarce to non-existent. Perhaps we have several possibilities or much circumstantial evidence as to whom the next ancestor in a line may be, but no way to determine which is which. DNA testing may be just the thing to help to break down some of those "brick walls," which sooner or later, we all face. Why should I get tested? You should get tested if it will aid in defining the DNA profile of your surname ancestors. When your DNA profile is combined with another descendant of a common ancestor, it can define the DNA profile of that earlier ancestor. When combined with your brother's result, your test will define the common ancestor (your father). When combined with a 5th cousin's DNA, your result will define the result of your gggg-grandfather. For a man who has already had a close relative tested, there may be little value in his additional testing unless there are specific questions to be answered. Of particular concern are the sole surviving male representatives of a family line. Once they are gone, their family cannot be directly represented. These men are particularly important to their family study and should be strongly considered for testing. Many families already have stories of DNA testing a family member who has since died, or of not getting a test on a family member before they passed on. How useful will DNA testing be for me? The answer will vary for each individual. For a man with a distinctive DNA profile who matches into a family whose profile has already been established, the result can be quite useful, as it can confirm his family and leave only the question of which members are his actual direct ancestors. For the man whose result matches multiple distinct families of the same surname, the result can be ambiguous. For the man who fails to match any other participant, the result can be quite frustrating. Over time, as additional markers and participants are added, we can hope that results for the latter two become as useful as they are for the first case. How much does it cost? Testing cost varies. Generally, cost increases as the number of markers increases. The lowest cost is about $100 for a 12-marker test, while a 37-marker test can be obtained for about $220. The 25-marker test is about $170. Where should I go to get tested? The best way to be tested is as part of a Surname DNA Project. As there are some differences in the markers tested by the various testing companies, it is quite helpful to obtain a test from the same testing company as other men with your surname. When a Surname Project has not already been started, consideration should be given to starting one. -----Original Message----- From: Pam Reid [mailto:pamreid@comcast.net] Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 2:00 PM To: THORN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: Thorns DNA submitted This DNA thing is very intriguing. We know with as much certainty as is possible that our first Thorn ancestor in America arrived in Gloucester, VA on the Safety in 1635. The Safety sailed from England, but of course, that doesn't mean that this ancestor was a native of England. Please, whoever has all of the info on the DNA Project, please fill the rest of us in. Thanks so much! Pam Elmer Thorn wrote: >Ann-Kathrin, >I just viewed your fathers DNA result this morning. So far, it makes no >sense to me as I don't know what to compare it to or know what each marker >means. I guess I will when I get my results back. I have a cousin Jake >Thorn that I am trying to get to accept the Thorn Project Manager. If all >else fails I would do it. I am just a little leery since I don't understand >the whole thing myself. >Et > >-----Original Message----- >From: Ann Kathrin [mailto:try_me_alekseev@hotmail.com] >Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 1:25 PM >To: THORN-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: RE: Thorns DNA submitted > >Elmer, >I joined the DNA project via my personal page at FTDNA some days ago, and my > >father's results showed up in the project's results section the same day. He > >had taken the test a while ago, that's why it took no time. However, his >pedigree (which I posted in the pedigree forum as requested) doesn't show up > >on the patriarch page yet, only yours is listed there. I've read your >pedigree, so I'm looking forward to February when your results are in. And >even to be able to rule out certain connection is progress, isn't it? > >You wouldn't be interested in becoming the project's administrator, would >you? I know that Terry Barton is keen to get the job out of his own hands, >and I guess it would speed things up a bit if someone with a personal >interest was in charge. > >Ann-Kathrin > >_________________________________________________________________ >Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! >http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > > > > > > >

Ann-Kathrin, I just viewed your fathers DNA result this morning. So far, it makes no sense to me as I don't know what to compare it to or know what each marker means. I guess I will when I get my results back. I have a cousin Jake Thorn that I am trying to get to accept the Thorn Project Manager. If all else fails I would do it. I am just a little leery since I don't understand the whole thing myself. Et -----Original Message----- From: Ann Kathrin [mailto:try_me_alekseev@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 1:25 PM To: THORN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: Thorns DNA submitted Elmer, I joined the DNA project via my personal page at FTDNA some days ago, and my father's results showed up in the project's results section the same day. He had taken the test a while ago, that's why it took no time. However, his pedigree (which I posted in the pedigree forum as requested) doesn't show up on the patriarch page yet, only yours is listed there. I've read your pedigree, so I'm looking forward to February when your results are in. And even to be able to rule out certain connection is progress, isn't it? You wouldn't be interested in becoming the project's administrator, would you? I know that Terry Barton is keen to get the job out of his own hands, and I guess it would speed things up a bit if someone with a personal interest was in charge. Ann-Kathrin _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/

Hello everyone, My paternal line is from Northern Germany and has the original surname Thorns. My father has taken a DNA test, the results of which I have submitted to the Thorn DNA project at Worldfamilies/FTDNA. I have also submitted our pedigree to the pedigree forum at the project website, as well as the Y-Search database. Since I don't have access to the relevant state archives at the moment (I no longer live in Germany), I have only been able to trace the line back to about 1750, which might be too recent to yield any relevant information about US immigrants. In addition, the haplogroup looks very much like J2, which is very rare in general. So I don't really expect any matches with future participants in the project. Still, I don't know of any other Thorn/Thorns in Germany who has been DNA-tested, so I guess our sample is better than nothing. Now that the project is underway, I hope that more people might feel encouraged to use DNA tests to supplement their paper trails. Ann-Kathrin _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/

Ann-Kathrin, When was your dads DNA submitted to Worldfamilies? My cousin and I just submitted our DNA about 2 weeks ago and should know something by Feb 1 . If your father's DNA is recorded there they will surely compare ours to his. It didn't appear that anyone had submitted DNA to the Thorn project but my cousin and I. Good to know we have others submitting DNA for comparison. We believe our Thorn family came from England but we have no proof. They first appeared in Prince William Co Virginia in early 1700s. Elmer Thorn Missouri USA -----Original Message----- From: Ann Kathrin [mailto:try_me_alekseev@hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 3:16 PM To: THORN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Thorns DNA submitted Hello everyone, My paternal line is from Northern Germany and has the original surname Thorns. My father has taken a DNA test, the results of which I have submitted to the Thorn DNA project at Worldfamilies/FTDNA. I have also submitted our pedigree to the pedigree forum at the project website, as well as the Y-Search database. Since I don't have access to the relevant state archives at the moment (I no longer live in Germany), I have only been able to trace the line back to about 1750, which might be too recent to yield any relevant information about US immigrants. In addition, the haplogroup looks very much like J2, which is very rare in general. So I don't really expect any matches with future participants in the project. Still, I don't know of any other Thorn/Thorns in Germany who has been DNA-tested, so I guess our sample is better than nothing. Now that the project is underway, I hope that more people might feel encouraged to use DNA tests to supplement their paper trails. Ann-Kathrin _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/

I would be very interested in your family tree. My husbands Thorn/Thornes come from Germany too. The first ancestor we know of was Peter Thorn who came over on the Crawford in 1769. He first settled in York County, Pa and eventually moved with other German families to Jeffersontown, KY. This migration occurred before 1800. Eventually we will do his DNA too. Paulina

Just got this, and checked and found a lot of data for relatives. Jay Ingalls =================== WWI Draft Cards Top^ Ancestry.com recently completed the WWI Draft Registration Card Collection. This collection includes about 24 million names, or approximately 23 percent of the United States population in 1918. Click here to search for your ancestors in the WWI Draft Cards. http://www.ancestry.com/s21676/t6797/e200512150407210038151011590/rd.ashx?ATT=UbZQZ2UK94ZjbuxlDLsk5E%2ACvPwGKDDACLJc

Charlotte, Sorry but I haven't run across that name in my research. Happy Holidays. Et -----Original Message----- From: Charlotte [mailto:ctucker@dbtech.net] Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 10:22 AM To: THORN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Thorn - Leverett ???? Hello Elmer - thanks for posting your Thorn information. I am not a Thorn surname researcher, however, one of my brick walls in Leverett research is Jean ? Leverett, widow of Thomas Leverett who died in Lunenburg County, Virginia, 1783. I do not know her maiden name. A clue I have been following is that Jean Leverett was formerly Jane Thorn. Can you help with this? Thank you, and thanks to anyone on the list who may be able to shed some light on this ... Merry Christmas to all !!!!! Charlotte

Hello Elmer - thanks for posting your Thorn information. I am not a Thorn surname researcher, however, one of my brick walls in Leverett research is Jean ? Leverett, widow of Thomas Leverett who died in Lunenburg County, Virginia, 1783. I do not know her maiden name. A clue I have been following is that Jean Leverett was formerly Jane Thorn. Can you help with this? Thank you, and thanks to anyone on the list who may be able to shed some light on this ... Merry Christmas to all !!!!! Charlotte

_____ From: Elmer Thorn [mailto:eandmthorn@cox.net] Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 7:52 AM To: 'THORN-L-request@rootsweb.com' Subject: William Thorn /DNA This is a test. I haven't had any mail lately and wonder if I'm still on the list. My ancestor is William Thorn b about 1685-90 and lived in Prince William Co Va in the first half of the 1700's. I would like to know of any other Thorn males that are willing to take the DNA test to se if the Thorn lines in America are all related or not. There are two of us already submitted our DNA. I would like to hear from any Thorn line from New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania ,Maryland or even England that is considering the test. Elmer Thorn Missouri

If you need marriage info for Jefferson, Lewis and St. Lawrence Counties, in NY State, you may want to read the announcement below about new info available on line. Jay Ingalls ==================== Nan Dixon nandixon@Gisco.net wrote: Listers: Leola Sutton has abstracted, from a hand written list done in pencil, hundreds of names, probably from the Black River Conference of the Methodist Church. She guesses the conference may have been centered at Champion. The records, marriage, baptism, class, and others, were probably kept by the pastors of the various churches. The records were made between 1839 and 1907, and certainly contain things not found elsewhere. They are principally from Jefferson, Lewis and St. Lawrence Counties. You can access them at www.rootsweb.com/~nyjeffer/methsbr.htm This was definitely a labor of love on Mrs. Sutton's part! Nan Dixon

If you need a map of Michigan counties, this is one source. The quick fix once notified was reassuring. Do let them know about any problems. Jay ----- Original Message ----- From: "Necole Staron" <staronn@michigan.gov> To: "J.M. Ingalls" <jay_ingalls@pipeline.com> Sent: 15 August, 2005 7:05 AM Subject: Re: Web Page Error, Emmet not Eaton County! Hi Jay, Thank you, for letting us know of the problem with our links. This has been corrected. Thank you again, Necole Staron >>> "J.M. (Jay) Ingalls" <jay_ingalls@pipeline.com> 8/14/2005 3:21 PM >>> >>> http://www.michigan.gov/cgi/0,1607,7-158-12540_13083_14164-29835--,00.html Clicking the Emmet county area brings up a map of Eaton county. This has been wrong for a long time. Jay Ingalls

-----Original Message----- From: J.M. (Jay) Ingalls [mailto:jay_ingalls@pipeline.com] Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 10:35 PM To: THORN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: John Thorn b. abt 1865 & Wife Alice, Family Just did the research on this family, looking for an Arthur Thorn(e) born abt 1897, in Meade, PA. Decided this is not the family, because their son Arthur died as a child. The one I am looking for died after age 37. Thought someone else might want this data. If anyone wants the data, I can send them a gedcom file. Jay ================================= Family Group Record for John E. THORNE ============================================================ Husband: John E. THORNE ============================================================ AKA: John E. Thorn Born: Apr 1865 - , , , Wales Baptized: Marriage: <1892> Place: ------------------------------------------------------------ Events ------------------------------------------------------------ 1. He appeared on the census in 1900 in Moosic, Lackawanna, Pennsylvania. John Thorne, Head, White, Male, Born April 1865, Age 35 (birth year and age may be wrong, hard to read), Married 8 years (not sure it says 8), Born Wales, Father born England, Mother born England, John immigrated in 1895, in the USA for 5 years, Can't read occupation Alice Thorne, Wife, White, Female, Born Feb 1873, Age 27, Married 8 years (not sure it says 8), I child, 1 living, Alice Born England, Father born England, Mother born England, Immigrated 1897, in USA 3 years Arthur Thorne, Son, White, Male, Born Sept 1898, Age 1, single, Born Pennsylvania, Father born Wales, Mother born England. http://content.ancestry.com/iexec/?htx=View&r=an&dbid= 7602&iid=PAT623_1419-0324&desc=Aurthur+Thorne&pid=4685 0428 1900 Census for District 31, Moosic, Lackawanna county. Pennsylvania, lists: 2. He appeared on the census in 1910 in Moosic, Lackawanna, Pennsylvania. Name: John E Thorn Birthplace: Wales State: PA Age: 45 Color: W Enumeration District: 0039 Visit: 0052 County: Lackawanna, Moosic Relation: Head of Household Other Residents: Relation Name Age Birth Place Wife Alice 38 England Son Sydney 11 Pennsylvania 3. He appeared on the census in 1910 in Moosic, Lackawanna, Pennsylvania. John E Thorn, Head, Male, White, Age 45, Married Twice, Married 12 Years this time, Born Wales, Both Parents born England, Immigrated 1894, Naturalization Papers Filled Out, Fireman on Stationary Engine, Working, Rents House Alice Thorn, Wife, Female, White, Age 38, Married Once, Married 12 Years, Had two children, One child died, One Child Living, Alice and both parents born England, Immigrated 1896 Sydney Thorn, Son, Male, White, Age 11, Single, Born Pennsylvania, Father born Wales, Mother born England, attended School Residing on Mineola Ave (Not sure of street name) House & Family # 52 Ward 1 Moosic Borough Enumeration District: 0039 County: Lackawanna State: Pennsylvania 4. He worked as a Fireman on stationary engine. in 1910 in Moosic, Lackawanna, Pennsylvania. Source: 1910 census. ============================================================ Wife: Alice ============================================================ Born: Feb 1873 - , , , England Baptized: ------------------------------------------------------------ Events ------------------------------------------------------------ 1. She appeared on the census in 1900 in Moosic, Lackawanna, Pennsylvania. Alice Thorne, Wife, White, Female, Born Feb 1873, Age 27, Married 8 years (not sure it says 8), I child, 1 living, Alice Born England, Father born England, Mother born England, Immigrated 1897, in USA 3 years 2. She appeared on the census in 1910 in Moosic, Lackawanna, Pennsylvania. Wife Alice 38 England 3. She appeared on the census in 1910 in Moosic, Lackawanna, Pennsylvania. Alice Thorn, Wife, Female, White, Age 38, Married Once, Married 12 Years, Had two children, One child died, One Child Living, Alice and both parents born England, Immigrated 1896 4. She immigrated in 1896 to , , , USA. From England ============================================================ Children ============================================================ 1 M Arthur THORNE Born: Sep 1898 - , , Pennsylvania Baptized: Died: Bef 1911 - <Moosic, Lackawanna, Pennsylvania> ------------------------------------------------------------ 2 M Sydney THORNE Born: Abt 1900 - <Moosic, Lackawanna, Pennsylvania> Baptized: ------------------------------------------------------------ Last Modified: 18 Jul 2005

Just did the research on this family, looking for an Arthur Thorn(e) born abt 1897, in Meade, PA. Decided this is not the family, because their son Arthur died as a child. The one I am looking for died after age 37. Thought someone else might want this data. If anyone wants the data, I can send them a gedcom file. Jay ================================= Family Group Record for John E. THORNE ============================================================ Husband: John E. THORNE ============================================================ AKA: John E. Thorn Born: Apr 1865 - , , , Wales Baptized: Marriage: <1892> Place: ------------------------------------------------------------ Events ------------------------------------------------------------ 1. He appeared on the census in 1900 in Moosic, Lackawanna, Pennsylvania. John Thorne, Head, White, Male, Born April 1865, Age 35 (birth year and age may be wrong, hard to read), Married 8 years (not sure it says 8), Born Wales, Father born England, Mother born England, John immigrated in 1895, in the USA for 5 years, Can't read occupation Alice Thorne, Wife, White, Female, Born Feb 1873, Age 27, Married 8 years (not sure it says 8), I child, 1 living, Alice Born England, Father born England, Mother born England, Immigrated 1897, in USA 3 years Arthur Thorne, Son, White, Male, Born Sept 1898, Age 1, single, Born Pennsylvania, Father born Wales, Mother born England. http://content.ancestry.com/iexec/?htx=View&r=an&dbid= 7602&iid=PAT623_1419-0324&desc=Aurthur+Thorne&pid=4685 0428 1900 Census for District 31, Moosic, Lackawanna county. Pennsylvania, lists: 2. He appeared on the census in 1910 in Moosic, Lackawanna, Pennsylvania. Name: John E Thorn Birthplace: Wales State: PA Age: 45 Color: W Enumeration District: 0039 Visit: 0052 County: Lackawanna, Moosic Relation: Head of Household Other Residents: Relation Name Age Birth Place Wife Alice 38 England Son Sydney 11 Pennsylvania 3. He appeared on the census in 1910 in Moosic, Lackawanna, Pennsylvania. John E Thorn, Head, Male, White, Age 45, Married Twice, Married 12 Years this time, Born Wales, Both Parents born England, Immigrated 1894, Naturalization Papers Filled Out, Fireman on Stationary Engine, Working, Rents House Alice Thorn, Wife, Female, White, Age 38, Married Once, Married 12 Years, Had two children, One child died, One Child Living, Alice and both parents born England, Immigrated 1896 Sydney Thorn, Son, Male, White, Age 11, Single, Born Pennsylvania, Father born Wales, Mother born England, attended School Residing on Mineola Ave (Not sure of street name) House & Family # 52 Ward 1 Moosic Borough Enumeration District: 0039 County: Lackawanna State: Pennsylvania 4. He worked as a Fireman on stationary engine. in 1910 in Moosic, Lackawanna, Pennsylvania. Source: 1910 census. ============================================================ Wife: Alice ============================================================ Born: Feb 1873 - , , , England Baptized: ------------------------------------------------------------ Events ------------------------------------------------------------ 1. She appeared on the census in 1900 in Moosic, Lackawanna, Pennsylvania. Alice Thorne, Wife, White, Female, Born Feb 1873, Age 27, Married 8 years (not sure it says 8), I child, 1 living, Alice Born England, Father born England, Mother born England, Immigrated 1897, in USA 3 years 2. She appeared on the census in 1910 in Moosic, Lackawanna, Pennsylvania. Wife Alice 38 England 3. She appeared on the census in 1910 in Moosic, Lackawanna, Pennsylvania. Alice Thorn, Wife, Female, White, Age 38, Married Once, Married 12 Years, Had two children, One child died, One Child Living, Alice and both parents born England, Immigrated 1896 4. She immigrated in 1896 to , , , USA. From England ============================================================ Children ============================================================ 1 M Arthur THORNE Born: Sep 1898 - , , Pennsylvania Baptized: Died: Bef 1911 - <Moosic, Lackawanna, Pennsylvania> ------------------------------------------------------------ 2 M Sydney THORNE Born: Abt 1900 - <Moosic, Lackawanna, Pennsylvania> Baptized: ------------------------------------------------------------ Last Modified: 18 Jul 2005