George, Have you received your DNA results yet? Elmer -----Original Message----- From: GThorneMD@aol.com [mailto:GThorneMD@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 10:15 PM To: THORN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: Thorn/Thorne DNA 3 now confirmed I ordered the same kit 37...when it arrives, I'll send it in and let you know the results...I suppose there is some std for comparison best George

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-----Original Message----- From: Elmer Thorn [mailto:eandmthorn@cox.net] Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 10:36 PM To: THORN-UK-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Thorn/THorne Family from Ireland Is anyone researching Thorn/Thorne's from Ireland? I recently took a DNA test and my origin is indicated as Ireland. I find it strange that my DNA matches a McAdams that has Irish roots. My ancestor was William Thorn that appears in Prince William Co Va in the early 1700's. Not sure if he was born in US or was from another country. Any help would be appreciated. Elmer Thorn Missouri USA ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

Is anyone researching the Thorn/Thorne's from Ireland ? I am interested in finding any information I can. Et

I ordered the same kit 37...when it arrives, I'll send it in and let you know the results...I suppose there is some std for comparison best George

George, It will take about 5-6 weeks to get the results. Let me know when you get the results and any way I can help. Do you know your most distant ancestor? Is it William Thorne of Lynn Mass? Et -----Original Message----- From: GThorneMD@aol.com [mailto:GThorneMD@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 10:15 PM To: THORN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: Thorn/Thorne DNA 3 now confirmed I ordered the same kit 37...when it arrives, I'll send it in and let you know the results...I suppose there is some std for comparison best George

Elmer....I'm from Texas, family here for 100 years, but came from Nine Partners New York, probably back to William from Lynn, Mass, from England....would do DNA test if you think it would provide any useful info best George

George, This is one of the main Thorne/Thorn Families in the US. It has been said that most of the Thorne/Thorns in America came from that line. I would sure like to see this line tested and to see if any of us are related to your line. Your line is most critical to DNA testing. As you know there doesn't seem to be too many Thorn males around so it would be most helpful. The website is www.worldfamilies.net for the information and how to order the kit. Please let me know if you are submitting a test. I might be able to get you a $30. discount.I did the 37 marker test . They have a 12 and a 25 marker test as well. Please let me know if I can help you in any way. Elmer Thorn -----Original Message----- From: GThorneMD@aol.com [mailto:GThorneMD@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 8:31 PM To: THORN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: Thorn/Thorne DNA 3 now confirmed Elmer....I'm from Texas, family here for 100 years, but came from Nine Partners New York, probably back to William from Lynn, Mass, from England....would do DNA test if you think it would provide any useful info best George

Elmer, I will see what I can do. There are some Thorn men but I don't think they are interested in the DNA as I don't think they are interested in family history. PTJ

Hello Elmer, Do you descend from William Thorne and Susannah Booth? That is my line. Pat Thorn Jones

Michelle, My DNA was done through familytreeDNA . The info can be found on www.worldfamilies.net . I believe the cost starts at $99 or $119. for a 12 marker test. Sometimes the have a coupon offer of $30. off of that price. -----Original Message----- From: Michelle Bellinger [mailto:michellebellinger@comcast.net] Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 4:30 PM To: THORN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: Thorn/Thorne DNA 3 now confirmed I am not a Thorn, But I am wondering who you contacted and what the cost was to do this DNA testing? Thanks, Michelle

I am not a Thorn, But I am wondering who you contacted and what the cost was to do this DNA testing? Thanks, Michelle

Joy, It needs to be a Thorn male as Y-Chromosome is passed from male to male. I wished he could test. It seems that the ones who are willing aren't Thorn males. You can check this out at www.worldfamilies.net Thanks Et -----Original Message----- From: Joy Garitone [mailto:sheepgirl@msn.com] Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 9:08 AM To: THORN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: Thorn/Thorne DNA 3 now confirmed So Elmer, How direct does the Thorn line have to be? My brother might qualify albeit we are Stuarts with Thorne grandparents...should work, huh? Also...what cost is involved? Thanks, Joy Stuart ----- Original Message ----- From: Elmer Thorn<mailto:eandmthorn@cox.net> To: THORN-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:THORN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 6:25 AM Subject: Thorn/Thorne DNA 3 now confirmed Help!!! We need other Thorn/Thorne males to test their DNA for common ancestors. As of now there are 4 Thorn/Thorne males that have tested and two of us connect. Jake Thorn and I have an exact match but we already knew that. The Thorn with German origin and Thorne with Oxford origin did not match us at all. I am thinking there are some other Thorn lines in the US that will connect to one of us that have tested. Interesting note is my DNA matches a MCAdams from Ireland. They have noted that my Y test is rare so I am possibly letting them do a deep search on my actual origin. As of now it seems Jake Thorn and my Thorn line is from Ireland originally. I would like to see if some of the other Thorn/Thorne families that arrived in America have different or same originations. Don't just believe England because someone told you that. I got a surprise and now it opens the door to research in Ireland instead of England. Those that are interested lets start a campaign to get as many male Thorn/Thornes tested as we can. It can advance research 100's of years. Et

Help!!! We need other Thorn/Thorne males to test their DNA for common ancestors. As of now there are 4 Thorn/Thorne males that have tested and two of us connect. Jake Thorn and I have an exact match but we already knew that. The Thorn with German origin and Thorne with Oxford origin did not match us at all. I am thinking there are some other Thorn lines in the US that will connect to one of us that have tested. Interesting note is my DNA matches a MCAdams from Ireland. They have noted that my Y test is rare so I am possibly letting them do a deep search on my actual origin. As of now it seems Jake Thorn and my Thorn line is from Ireland originally. I would like to see if some of the other Thorn/Thorne families that arrived in America have different or same originations. Don't just believe England because someone told you that. I got a surprise and now it opens the door to research in Ireland instead of England. Those that are interested lets start a campaign to get as many male Thorn/Thornes tested as we can. It can advance research 100's of years. Et

So Elmer, How direct does the Thorn line have to be? My brother might qualify albeit we are Stuarts with Thorne grandparents...should work, huh? Also...what cost is involved? Thanks, Joy Stuart ----- Original Message ----- From: Elmer Thorn<mailto:eandmthorn@cox.net> To: THORN-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:THORN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 6:25 AM Subject: Thorn/Thorne DNA 3 now confirmed Help!!! We need other Thorn/Thorne males to test their DNA for common ancestors. As of now there are 4 Thorn/Thorne males that have tested and two of us connect. Jake Thorn and I have an exact match but we already knew that. The Thorn with German origin and Thorne with Oxford origin did not match us at all. I am thinking there are some other Thorn lines in the US that will connect to one of us that have tested. Interesting note is my DNA matches a MCAdams from Ireland. They have noted that my Y test is rare so I am possibly letting them do a deep search on my actual origin. As of now it seems Jake Thorn and my Thorn line is from Ireland originally. I would like to see if some of the other Thorn/Thorne families that arrived in America have different or same originations. Don't just believe England because someone told you that. I got a surprise and now it opens the door to research in Ireland instead of England. Those that are interested lets start a campaign to get as many male Thorn/Thornes tested as we can. It can advance research 100's of years. Et

Still looking for parents of George W. Thorn, born November 11, 1791 in Pennsylvania, fought war of 1812, married Elizabeth Stillwell about 1814. Sons, Joseph M. Thorn and John D. Thorn. Been hung up here for twenty years and cannot make a connection. Lived Penn and N.J. at various times. Thank you. Ron Bliss Visit with me and my poetry at http://www.epicureansdelight.stocktonet.com/Soul_Of_A_Man.htm http://www.dreamagic.com/poetry/bliss1.html

Maybe this would be a good time to post my earliest Thorns to see if any of you are connected to this line... James Thorn b. 1700-1710, Prince Georges County, Maryland, d. 6 Mar 1767, Prince Georges County, Maryland, Married Susannah Unknown abt 1728. Their son Thomas Thorn Thomas' son Hezekiah Thorn Hezekiah's son Ephriam Thorn Ephriam's daughter Martha Ann Thorn (My Great Grandmother) Looking for ancestor's of James and Susannah. Regards, Brenda Whitaker Collins

Jackie, I wish I could help you but at the moment I know nothing more about Franz Ludewig Thorns and possible siblings. He was long dead by the time of the parish records I've read. I have to get a hold of older parish records first. But it'll happend :-) However, I've now checked the name "Thorn" in the phone cataloge and got more than 600 hits. So your Thorn might as well be a Thorn proper. I will try to find out if there are any German databases for emigrants from Germany. I know there are but I have to see if they are for free and what time periods they cover. I could then spit out a name or two in the forum and see what people can make of it. So long, Ann-Kathrin _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/

Hopefully Ann-Kathrin will see your post and reply. She is the from the family of Francis Lud Thorns. Et -----Original Message----- From: Jjg331@wmconnect.com [mailto:Jjg331@wmconnect.com] Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 5:40 PM To: THORN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: Thorns pedigree Hello, Sorry to intervene on your Thorn correspondence---I am so interested as I have a Frederick Thorn who died in 1801 in Pendleton Co Va (before it became WV) He would have been the age to have been a brother to Francis Ludwig Thorns who you site from Germany and was born about 1750. I have been told my Frederick Thorn was of German ancestry He married a Catherine F. maiden name unknown and had at least four children an Elizabeth my grandmother (greats removed), Mary, Phoebe and a son John. There may have been more children My Elizabeth Thorn born about 1790, married William Yeager. Do you have any of this information in your line? More Later Jackie

Hopefully someone will see our correspondence and respond. Thanks Et -----Original Message----- From: Pam Reid [mailto:pamreid@comcast.net] Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 5:47 PM To: THORN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: Thorns DNA submitted Yes, I am of the Thomas Thorn line. It is quite probable I think that our lines our connected. It is so difficult to sort out those VA years with all of the sons named Martin, Thomas and William <grin>. Thanks for the DNA info. I will look into this. It could certainly help all of us to get more DNA into the bank. Now I just need to get into the same thing for my Foster line. There are SO many suppositions on the Foster line and DNA would really help there. Interesting fact - Thomas Thorn and Richard Foster both arrived on the Safety in 1635. Thomas' desecendent, Durham Lee Thorn married Richard's descendent Annie Caldwell Foster - these were my great-granparents. I doubt that they ever had any idea of that connection!!!! Pam Pam Elmer Thorn wrote: >Pam, That sounds closer to my William Thorn (b abt 1685-90) family >officially showing up in Prince William Co Va in early 1700s. Are you of >the Thomas Thorn family? We have always wondered about Thomas being a >possible connection to our William. I am attaching a website for all to >check out on the DNA. It is supposed to even take us back to where our >ancestors originated from. Two of us in our Thorn line have recently tested >and waiting for our results. Others have shown interest . The more we get >to take the test the more it will define family lines and connections. It >has to be a Thorn male to follow the y-chromosome . > >www.worldfamilies.com >http://www.worldfamilies.net/faqs.htm#How%20can%20DNA%20testing%20help%20ge n >ealogy? > > >How can DNA testing help genealogy? > >For purposes of surname genealogy studies, DNA refers to the 23rd chromosome >pair. Females have two x chromosomes, while males have one x and one y >chromosome. The y chromosome is passed from father to son and is usually >identical from father to son. Occasionally, there is a mutation. Over >1000s of years, these mutations have resulted in distinctive DNA profiles >for different families. These differences are the focus of DNA testing in >genealogy, often called yDNA. > >My ancestors are all long dead. How do I get their DNA? > >Males carry the yDNA of their Surname ancestors, so we test them as >representatives of their ancestors.. DNA tests are taken from the living >and compared among groups of people. We look for male descendants who >share a common surname or surname spelling variant. A single Y-DNA test is >not that useful, but can be very revealing when compared to known or >suspected cousins. In many cases, yDNA matches among individuals indicate a >common male ancestor who may have lived hundreds of years ago, with the >"cousins" being completely unknown to one another. > >How does DNA testing work? > >The DNA test is typically a cheek swab, which collects tissue cells. The >laboratory examines these cells and uses standardized protocols to count the >number of repeats of genetic patterns at standardized locations on the DNA >helix. A DNA result is a set of repeats (numbers) at particular addresses >(markers). By comparing the numbers at the markers, we can determine if a >man shares a common ancestor with a second sample. Typically, this is >recorded as the number of exact matches and the total number of markers, >i.e.: 12/12, 23/25 33/37, etc. Generally, for a greater number of markers, >there is a higher reliability and for a closer the match in numbers, there >is a closer relationship. > >How conclusive is DNA testing? > >The typical researcher is interested in specific individuals in a specific >family tree, while DNA testing evaluates common ancestry. By itself, a DNA >test cannot confirm that a specific individual is the ancestor of the test >participant. > >However, DNA testing can confirm that two test participants share a common >ancestor. When combined with traditional genealogy, DNA results can aid in >reconstructing genealogies and can confirm or refute specific relationships, >including descent from specific ancestors, with a high degree of confidence. >The most useful comparisons are between men who have closely matching yDNA >patterns and who have also established paper trails (genealogies). > >DNA testing can be conclusive in proving that a male from an earlier >generation is NOT an ancestor. The degree of certainty is a function of >genealogies of the participants who document the earlier male. > >Can I use DNA testing in lieu of other research? > >DNA testing should be used as a supplement to traditional research. It has >a limited value when used alone. > >Who should get tested? > >Anyone who is interested in confirming their surname ancestry should >consider DNA testing. A male can represent himself and his surname family, >while a female will need to arrange for a male relative to represent her and >her family. > >Sooner or later, in researching a family tree, we all get to the point where >the paper records become scarce to non-existent. Perhaps we have several >possibilities or much circumstantial evidence as to whom the next ancestor >in a line may be, but no way to determine which is which. DNA testing may >be just the thing to help to break down some of those "brick walls," which >sooner or later, we all face. > >Why should I get tested? > >You should get tested if it will aid in defining the DNA profile of your >surname ancestors. When your DNA profile is combined with another >descendant of a common ancestor, it can define the DNA profile of that >earlier ancestor. When combined with your brother's result, your test will >define the common ancestor (your father). When combined with a 5th cousin's >DNA, your result will define the result of your gggg-grandfather. > >For a man who has already had a close relative tested, there may be little >value in his additional testing unless there are specific questions to be >answered. > >Of particular concern are the sole surviving male representatives of a >family line. Once they are gone, their family cannot be directly >represented. These men are particularly important to their family study and >should be strongly considered for testing. Many families already have >stories of DNA testing a family member who has since died, or of not getting >a test on a family member before they passed on. > >How useful will DNA testing be for me? > >The answer will vary for each individual. For a man with a distinctive DNA >profile who matches into a family whose profile has already been >established, the result can be quite useful, as it can confirm his family >and leave only the question of which members are his actual direct >ancestors. For the man whose result matches multiple distinct families of >the same surname, the result can be ambiguous. For the man who fails to >match any other participant, the result can be quite frustrating. Over >time, as additional markers and participants are added, we can hope that >results for the latter two become as useful as they are for the first case. > >How much does it cost? > >Testing cost varies. Generally, cost increases as the number of markers >increases. The lowest cost is about $100 for a 12-marker test, while a >37-marker test can be obtained for about $220. The 25-marker test is about >$170. > >Where should I go to get tested? > >The best way to be tested is as part of a Surname DNA Project. As there are >some differences in the markers tested by the various testing companies, it >is quite helpful to obtain a test from the same testing company as other men >with your surname. When a Surname Project has not already been started, >consideration should be given to starting one. > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Pam Reid [mailto:pamreid@comcast.net] >Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 2:00 PM >To: THORN-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: Thorns DNA submitted > >This DNA thing is very intriguing. We know with as much certainty as is >possible that our first Thorn ancestor in America arrived in Gloucester, >VA on the Safety in 1635. The Safety sailed from England, but of >course, that doesn't mean that this ancestor was a native of England. >Please, whoever has all of the info on the DNA Project, please fill the >rest of us in. > >Thanks so much! >Pam > >Elmer Thorn wrote: > > > >>Ann-Kathrin, >>I just viewed your fathers DNA result this morning. So far, it makes no >>sense to me as I don't know what to compare it to or know what each marker >>means. I guess I will when I get my results back. I have a cousin Jake >>Thorn that I am trying to get to accept the Thorn Project Manager. If all >>else fails I would do it. I am just a little leery since I don't >> >> >understand > > >>the whole thing myself. >>Et >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Ann Kathrin [mailto:try_me_alekseev@hotmail.com] >>Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 1:25 PM >>To: THORN-L@rootsweb.com >>Subject: RE: Thorns DNA submitted >> >>Elmer, >>I joined the DNA project via my personal page at FTDNA some days ago, and >> >> >my > > >>father's results showed up in the project's results section the same day. >> >> >He > > >>had taken the test a while ago, that's why it took no time. However, his >>pedigree (which I posted in the pedigree forum as requested) doesn't show >> >> >up > > >>on the patriarch page yet, only yours is listed there. I've read your >>pedigree, so I'm looking forward to February when your results are in. And >>even to be able to rule out certain connection is progress, isn't it? >> >>You wouldn't be interested in becoming the project's administrator, would >>you? I know that Terry Barton is keen to get the job out of his own hands, >>and I guess it would speed things up a bit if someone with a personal >>interest was in charge. >> >>Ann-Kathrin >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! >>http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > >